ressemble a un mini B-2

les iraniens ont protesté devant les diplomates suisses qui representent les interets americains en iran et demandent des reparations en menacant de porter cette affaire devant l'onu je crois pas qu'ils auraient fait ca sans avoir des elements solides.

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U.S. official: Iran does have our drone (CBS News) A U.S. official tells CBS News that there is "high confidence" that a captured American aircraft shown on Iranian television today is, in fact, one of this country's most sophisticated spy planes. The Pentagon declined to comment, but the American official says analysis of the video confirms the RQ-170 unmanned drone was captured. Exactly how that happened is still being analyzed. CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports that the aircraft presented as the unmanned U.S. surveillance drone appeared to be nearly intact, though the undercarriage was obscured by propaganda banners draped below the wings. The message on the left proclaimed, "America cannot do any harm to us." And on the right, against a background of American flags and skulls, the message read: "We have trampled on America." U.S. officials - still studying the video - are convinced the aircraft is the stealth drone reported lost over the weekend. But, the Pentagon declined comment, with spokesman George Little citing intelligence concerns. "We did have a UAV go missing, but when it comes to sensitive reconnaissance missions, we call them sensitive for a reason," Little said. U.S. drones have been spying on Iran for years Officials: Drone downed in Iran on CIA mission Iran shows intact drone, boasts of cyberattack Satellite images show damage to Iranian missile compound Military officials originally said controllers lost contact with an RQ-170 drone as it flew over Western Afghanistan. However, sources say the spy plane was actually on an intelligence-gathering mission deep inside Iran. The stealth drones, capable of sending back real-time streaming video, have been used for several years to monitor Iran's nuclear sites and search for other covert operations. U.S. officials have denied Iran's shifting claims that the drone was either shot down or commandeered by a cyber attack. But, the displayed aircraft showed no signs of a crash impact, meaning it came down in a relatively flat, controlled descent. U.S. officials cannot explain how the plane landed apparently undamaged. Iran appeals to the U.N. on downed drone, calls surveillance an "act of provocation" Iran now says it will exploit its propaganda prize by reverse engineering the classified systems and sensors. But weapons expert Joseph Cirincione says that may prove difficult. "You can get dimensions, you can get chemical composition, but it's very hard to duplicate the performance of the parts you're trying to reverse engineer," Cirincione says. Still, the U.S. is clearly concerned secrets could be compromised. Sources say officials considered launching a mission to either recover or destroy the downed drone, but ultimately concluded there was no workable option. While getting much out of the downed plane will be difficult, the Iranians can glean details about the aircraft's mechanisms and sensors, and, worse perhaps, share that with Russia or China.

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c'est un système ECM russe nommé "avtobaza", je n'ai pas réussi à trouver des informations précises sur ses capacités, donc si quelqu'un possède des documents dessus qu'il balance

avtobaza n'est qu'un support, c'est le travail en avale qui est le plus intéressant.
Car si ce qui est montré et dit par les iraniens est vrai, c'est un coup de maitre.
Mais en cette période, la propagande va bon train, et ce ne serait pas la premiére fois de la part des iraniens...donc méfiance.

en tout cas, plusieurs cites internet mettent en avant le fait que l'avion serait intact alors que l'Iran avait affirmé au début qu'elle avait fait attérir le drone en catastrophe et qu'il y avat des domages.

Debka.com est connu pour être porte parole officieux du Mossad et AMAN Israeliens

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Iran exhibits US drone undamaged. US and Israeli intelligence shocked Iran exhibited the top-secret US stealth drone RQ-170 Sentinel captured on Sunday, Dec. 4. Its almost perfect condition confirmed Tehran's claim that the UAV was downed by a cyber attack, meaning it was not shot down but brought in undamaged by an electronic warfare ambush. This is a major debacle for the stealth technology the US uses in its warplanes and the drone technology developed by the US and Israel. The state of the lost UAV refutes the US military contention that the Sentinel's systems malfunctioned. If this had happened, it would have crashed and either been wrecked or damaged. The condition of the RQ-170 intact obliges the US and Israel to make major changes in plans for a potential strike against Iran's nuclear program. Earlier Thursday, DEBKAfile reported: The Obama administration's decision after internal debate not to send US commando or air units into Iran to retrieve or destroy the secret RQ-170 stealth drone which fell into Iranian hands has strengthened the hands of the Israeli faction which argues the case for striking Iran's nuclear installations without waiting for the Americans to make their move. Senior Israeli diplomatic and security officials who followed the discussion in Washington concluded that, by failing to act, the administration has left Iran not only with the secrets of the Sentinel's stealth coating, its sensors and cameras, but also with the data stored in its computer cells on targets marked out by the US and/or Israeli for attack. DEBKAfile’s military sources say that this knowledge compels the US and Israel to revise their plans of attack for aborting the Iranian nuclear program. Like every clandestine weapons system, the RQ-170 had a self-destruct mechanism to prevent its secrets spilling out to the enemy in the event of a crash or capture. This did not happen. Tehran was able to claim the spy drone was only slightly damaged when they downed it. The NATO spokesman claimed control was lost of the US UAV and it went missing, a common occurrence for these unmanned aircraft. The enigmas surrounding its capture continue to pile up. How did Iran know the drone had entered its airspace? How was it caused to land? Most of all, why did the craft's self-destruct mechanism which is programmed to activate automatically fail to work? And if it malfunctioned, why was it not activated by remote control? Thursday, Dec. 8, The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal reported that from Sunday, Dec. 4, when Tehran announced the stealth drone's capture, the Obama administration weighed sending special commando forces into Iran from bases in Afghanistan to bring the downed aircraft back to Afghanistan or blow it up to destroy the almost intact secret systems - either by a sneak operation or by an air strike. Iranian officials said the drone was detected near the Iranian town of Kashmar, 200 kilometers from the Afghan border and presumably moved to a military or air base inside the country. The NYT disclosed that the special force would have used "allied agents inside Iran" to hunt down the missing aircraft, the first time Washington has admitted to support from "allied agents" operating covertly in Iran. In the end, the paper quoted a US official as explaining that the attack option was ruled out "because of the potential it could become a larger incident." If an assault team entered the country, the US "could be accused of an act of war" by Tehran. The Obama administration's internal discussion on how to handle the loss of the high-value reconnaissance drone was followed tensely in Jerusalem. The decision it took against mounting a mission to recover or destroy the top-secret Sentinel was perceived in Israel as symptomatic of a wider decision to call off the covert war America has been conducting for some months against Iran's drive for a nuclear bomb – at least until the damage caused by RQ-170 incident is fully assessed. A senior Israeli security official had this to say: “Everything that’s happened around the RQ-170 shows that when it comes to Iran and its nuclear program, the Obama administration and Israel have different objectives. On this issue, each country needs to go its own way.” http://www.debka.com/article/21550/

Analysont la chose.
Ce qui m'intrigue moi c'est la grille, qui ne ferai pas parti du drone a l'origine.
Les iraniens ont voulu faire vite ne fabricant ce "faux" drone et n'ont pas pu aller jusqu'au bout d'un point de vu design?
Le macaron de l'USAF ne doit_il pas apparaitre su l'aile?
La taille ne serait-elle pas aproximative?
Et enfin, une salle de sport pour présenter un tel butin?
Pour finir, croyez-vous qu'un pays qui prétend et qui a des visés pour devenir une puissante armée avec tout ce qu'il en découle, exposerait cette technologie aux yeux du monde (notament des alliés Chinois et Russes)?

ils auraient pu l'ajouter pour n'importe quelle raison, un avion n'a pas toujours la même configuration.
pour ce qui est des dommages les ricains disent que l'avion avait un système d'urgence qui lui permet de cherche une zone adaptée pour atterrir, les iraniens auraient très bien pu parasiter le signal déclencher le système d'urgence et cueillir l'avion au sol.

parc e que a ton avis tous les avions espions americains doivent avoir automatiquement un macaron ou un indice qui montre qu'ils sont bien americain