ça sent très mauvais pour les grecs :

L'agence d'évaluation financière Standard and Poor's a abaissé lundi la note de solvabilité de la Grèce à "SD", niveau correspondant à un "défaut de paiement sélectif

source : http://www.leparisien.fr/flash-actualite-economie/standard-and-poor-s-abaisse-la-note-de-la-grece-27-02-2012-1881536.php

Selon Moody's, le risque de défaut de la Grèce reste élevé malgré l'accord

source : http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iOzZXtufvtgdVAl_IeG2B6_P2_nQ?docId=CNG.f0f6249e51be50eb4ef9d332a4180e45.221

L'Islande pourrait remplacer sa monnaie par le dollar canadien, le Canada OK en principe

Iceland eyes loonie, Canada ready to talk

The Globe and Mail

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For 150 years, no country has expressed interest in adopting the Canadian dollar -- the poor cousin to the coveted greenback. But now tiny Iceland, still reeling from the aftershocks of the devastating collapse of its banks in 2008, is looking longingly to the loonie as the salvation from wild economic gyrations and suffocating capital controls. In brief remarks to be delivered Saturday in Reykjavik, Canadian ambassador Alan Bones will tell Icelanders that if they truly want the Canadian dollar, Canada is ready to talk. But he will warn Icelanders that unilaterally adopting the loonie comes with significant risk, including complete loss of control over their monetary policy because the Bank of Canada makes decisions only for Canadians and the Canadian economy. He’ll caution, for example, that giving up the krona in favour of the Canadian dollar (CAD/USD-I1.01-0.004-0.39%) will leave the country with few levers, short of layoffs, to counter financial shocks and fluctuations in the loonie. A group of prominent Icelandic business leaders approached Mr. Bones last year about the idea. And his speech Saturday, to a meeting of the opposition Progressive Party, marks Canada’s first public response. The Bank of Canada, which referred all calls to the Finance department remains tight-lipped. “We don’t speculate on another country’s currency or domestic issues,” Finance department spokesman Jack Aubry said. There’s a compelling economic case why Iceland would want to adopt the Canadian dollar. It offers the tantalizing prospect of a stable, liquid currency that roughly tracks global commodity prices, nicely matching Iceland’s own economy, which is dependent on fish and aluminum exports. There’s also a more sentimental reason. “The average person looks at it this way: Canada is a younger version of the U.S. Canada has more natural resources than the U.S., it’s less developed, has more land, lots of water,” explained Heidar Gudjonsson, an economist and chairman of the Research Center for Social and Economic Studies, Iceland’s largest think tank. “And Canada thinks about the Arctic.” In a recent Gallup poll, seven out of 10 Icelanders said they would happily dump their volatile and fragile krona for another currency. And their favoured alternative is the Canadian dollar, easily outscoring the U.S. dollar, the euro and the Norwegian krona. Iceland is also in a bind. The country imposed strict currency controls after its spectacular banking collapse in 2008. Foreign-exchange transactions are capped 350,000 kronas (about $3,000). A major downside of those controls is that foreign investors can’t repatriate their profits, making Iceland an unattractive place to do business. Those capital controls are slated to come off next year. And many experts fear a return to the wild swings of the past -- in inflation, lending rates and the currency itself. Iceland is the smallest country in the world still clinging to its own currency and monetary policy. The krona soared nearly 90 per cent between 2001 and 2007, only to crash 92 per cent after the financial crisis in 2008. The official government plan is to go to the euro. Iceland has applied to join the European Union and eventually the euro zone. But that’s not looking like a very attractive option these days. And formal entry could take a decade, experts said. The other options are to peg the krona to another currency, such as the yen, greenback or euro. And finally, there’s the route of unilaterally adopting another country’s money. Icelandic officials have apparently reached out to the Bank of Canada and the Finance department about the idea. It’s hard to imagine Canada would object. Iceland wouldn’t have a say in Canadian monetary policy and the dollars coursing through its small economy ($12-billion in GDP versus Canada’s $1.8-trillion) would be a blip in the Bank of Canada’s management of the money supply. Unilaterally taking on another country’s currency is not unheard of. El Salvador took on the U.S. dollar in 2001. Ecuador did the same in 2000. And Kosovo adopted the euro in 2002. There are some good reasons Canada might want to see Iceland embrace the loonie. “If you join a new currency area it means you are completely open to businesses from that area,” Mr. Gudjonsson pointed out. Adoption of the Canadian dollar could open opportunities for Canadian shipping companies, fish packers, banks, insurers and eventually oil distributors and service companies as the country taps undeveloped resources. “Trade between the countries would obviously multiply,” Mr. Gudjonsson argued. But the greatest benefit for Canada could be enhanced geopolitical influence in a region that’s poised to grow in economic clout. The Arctic is the last frontier for the mining and oil and gas industries, sectors where Canada is already a global player. It holds an estimated 22 per cent of the world’s remaining conventional oil and gas, and vast untapped mineral potential. The transition wouldn’t be easy. The Icelandic government, through its central bank, would authorize commercial banks to exchange kronas for loonies. At today’s exchange rate, it would take roughly 100 kronas to buy a dollar. Iceland would need very strong reserves to conduct the operation, which might require an extended period when both currencies would be in circulation as kronas are soaked up.

ou comment encourager une mafia pour combattre une autre
et apres ca nous dit de combattre le phenomene tout seuls,ils arrivent a la meme situation de nos pauvres rifains

A ce rythme la Grèce risque réellement de se désintégrer en 2012/2013 :

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EU causing very hostility it was meant to prevent By TREVOR KAVANAGH Last Updated: 03rd March 2012 YOU can smell the anger on the streets of Athens as vividly as the pungent whiff of burning cars and buildings. Worryingly for the EU dreams of a lasting peace in Europe, this bitterness is increasingly aimed at their old tormentors, Germany. Greek diplomat Leonidas Chrysanthopoulos is near tears as he watches neatly dressed but hungry citizens scavenging the city's garbage bins. For the ambassador, this is the ruination of all he has worked for since, as a young official, he helped his country sign up to the European dream. His hopes of an end to war and a prosperous peace have turned to ashes. Instead of a thriving new democracy, Greece faces a rising tide of unemployment, poverty, hunger and alarming street violence. Law-abiding citizens are buying weapons to protect themselves against the turmoil engulfing his beloved country. "You can buy a Kalashnikov for a hundred euros on the back streets of Athens and people are doing so to guard their property," Mr Chrysanthopoulos told me from his home outside the capital yesterday. Thanks to the disastrous euro, his country is sliding remorselessly towards bankruptcy and disintegration. Modern Greece is an economic corpse, kept on life support by Germany and France, who fear the euro will be destroyed if they admit the truth. Last week's £110BILLION bailout was not aimed at rescuing the Greek people. It was to save the euro from total collapse. Yet the country seems doomed to another historic crisis as disastrous as the German occupation, a bloody civil war and years of military rule. "What we risk today is anarchy, the collapse of society and a breakdown in law and order," says Mr Chrysanthopoulos, 66. "We have more than 20,000 homeless families in Athens alone. "There are food lines for the hungry, which have not been seen since the Second World War. "Penniless pensioners are begging in the streets. People are bartering for essentials, living hand to mouth." Sooner or later they will be thrown out of the euro — the greatest peacetime catastrophe in the history of Europe. Hatred seethes against Germany, which in 1942 reduced Greece to starvation and slavery during its brutal Nazi occupation. A Greek radio station has just been fined for describing German Chancellor Angela Merkel as a "dirty Berlin slut". Nazi resistance fighter Manolis Glezos, now 89, says Germany plundered Greece for the equivalent of £138billion in the 1940s. "They grab us by the throat for the debt — let's do the same to them for the reparations," he says. Germans hit back, branding the Greeks "idle swindlers". They claim nobody pays tax because bandit politicians steal their money. The insults are fuelling precisely the nationalistic antagonism that sowed the seeds for two world wars — and which the EU was created to eliminate forever. Germany and France, who must accept the blame for allowing Greece into the euro at all, are terrified of contagion. So they are forcing this humiliated nation to slash pay and pensions to starvation levels. Last week's costly bailout has bought time — and the fantasy of an orderly default. Mr Chrysanthopoulos feels betrayed by the euro currency con. But he is not alone. Charles Kennedy, the Lib Dems' fervently pro-euro ex-leader, last week admitted: "I was wrong." His successor, the made-in-Brussels Nick Clegg, admits he would no longer join the euro. Two former editors of the fanatically pro-Brussels Financial Times confess they backed the wrong horse. Ex-EU Commissioner Frits Bolkestein admits: "The euro has failed." We will never hear honesty like that from Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine, who lost the Tories three elections by stoking the row over Europe. But unlike Mr Chrysanthopoulos, they will probably die comfortably in their beds without witnessing the hideous consequences. Greek instability risks spilling over to fragile ex-fascist regimes Spain and Portugal. If it does, we can only hope it doesn't bring chaos to Italy — then to France. People will take only so much belt-tightening austerity. More revolutions have been triggered by oppressive taxes than anything else. The drive for ever closer political and economic union and the end of national rivalry was aimed at ending war in Europe. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4156459/EU-causing-very-hostility-it-was-meant-to-prevent.html

On a déjà dit il y a de cela plusieurs années que l'UE gravite autour de l'Allemagne. On voit bien maintenant pourquoi et ce qu'il en est.
Dans tout ce tumulte la seule économie qui s'en sort le mieux en ce moment c'est l'économie allemande.
Il y en a même ceux qui vont se demander si l'UE ne serait pas un 4ème Reich déguisé.

D'un autre côté la France aujourd'hui joue les durs malgré la dégradation de sa note et de son économie, mais je ne serai pas surpris de la voir la prochaine sur la liste.

Un puits sans fond

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La Grèce pourrait avoir besoin d'un troisième plan d'aide international en 2015, affirme l'hebdomadaire allemand Der Spiegel paru dimanche. La Troïka, représentant les créanciers de la Grèce (UE, BCE et FMI), aurait écrit dans une version préliminaire de son dernier rapport qu'il n'est pas du tout certain que ce pays puisse revenir sur les marchés de crédits en 2015. Ses besoins en financements externes sur la période 2015-2020 pourraient alors atteindre jusqu'à 50 milliards d'euros. Mais Der Spiegel précise également que ce passage a été retiré à la demande du gouvernement allemand. L'hebdomadaire affirme par ailleurs que la BCE s'attend au déclenchement de la clause d'action collective (CAC) qui permettra à Athènes de forcer ses créanciers privés récalcitrants à prendre part à l'allègement de la dette grecque. Cette clause, contenue dans la loi sur l'opération d'échange d'obligations entre l'Etat grec et ses établissements créanciers, pourra être déclenchée si 66 % au moins des banques participent à l'opération et obligera les créanciers récalcitrants à se joindre au programme d'échange de dette, faisant ainsi passer automatiquement le taux d'adhésion à 100 % L'opération d'échange de dette à proprement parler aura lieu le 12 mars. Elle permettra à la Grèce d'effacer 107 des 200 milliards d'euros de sa dette publique détenus par des créanciers privés Cet effacement est une condition sine qua non pour le versement des 130 milliards d'aides publiques du deuxième plan de sauvetage entériné jeudi à Bruxelles.

http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2012/03/04/la-grece-pourrait-avoir-besoin-d-un-nouveau-plan-d-aide-en-2015_1651659_3234.html

L'UE est bien un empire naissant, mais déjà sur le déclin, pour les mêmes raisons qui ont permis au 3ème de s’établir, la crise économique. Face à une Argentine, exemple s'il en était d'un pays en faillite, qui a envoyé paître FMI, banque mondiale, Wall Street et la City et qui s'en sort, l'Europe a recours aux même solutions, aux mêmes politiques d'austérité, qui dans les années 25-30 ont amené aux dictatures que l'on connait, cherchez l'erreur... Les causes sont connues, les effet de même, les conséquences sont alors prévisibles.

depuis quand un dealer paie ta cure de désintoxication
l´argentine s´est renfermée jusqu´a ce que son corps a rejetté la toxine,la grece recoit encore des doses pour calmer lex maux temporairement
et d´autres toxicomanes sont en attante dehors..

Elle a surtout été capable, ce qu'il faut mettre à son crédit, de distinguer la dette légitime de celle qui le l'était pas, puis de relancer son économie autour d'un projet dont la notion de pillage financier était exclue.