Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Lun 14 Sep 2015 - 16:19
Iraniens peut-être?
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Lun 14 Sep 2015 - 18:04
Alloudi a écrit:
info trop partisane,
la façon dont l info est présenté, nui à la comprehention réel de la situation.
De l'autre coté rien de nouveau c'est toujours la mémé routine ,bombardement sur les civiles ,je peut toujours mettre les vidéo avec des corps déchiqueté (femme enfant principalement) par les bombes et les barils de TNT du regime ,
comme ici a Zabadani .
Les opérations du Hezzb continu sur Zabadani comme ici avec la prise de la mosquée de la ville .
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Jaish al-Islam publie les listes des différents position prise au regime dans ce secteur ;
Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 7:27
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Syria Rebels Attack Russian Air Base
A Syrian rebel media website claims that anti-Assad fighters have attacked an airport in Syria that Russia has been modifying for its own needs in support of President Assad. It was reported that the Russians took heavy losses in the rocket attack after the rebels claimed to have intelligence that Russian advisors and soldiers were operating inside the airport.
This comes after it was uncovered that a secret deal between Russia, Syria and Iran was made to aid Assad against US efforts in Syria under the guise of an anti-ISIS mission. The report suggests that Russian military troops were actually fighting US backed anti-Assad rebels in the already war-torn nation where US airstrikes are being conducted. It is not clear where the rebels obtained the intelligence, but it would have come shortly after satellite images of the airport began circulating on social media.
This story will be updated accordingly once confirmed as as more information becomes available.
This Satellite Image Leaves No Doubt That Russia Is Throwing Troops and Aircraft Into Syria
Over the past year, evidence has steadily emerged of a growing Russian military presence in Syria. As Bashar al-Assad’s armies have failed him in the field, he has increasingly relied on outside help. Initially, that help came from Hezbollah and Iran, but now it appears to be Moscow’s turn. And Washington may finally be waking up to what looks like a substantial Russian intervention in Syria.
New satellite images, obtained by Foreign Policy, of construction at an air base near Latakia leave little doubt that U.S. policy toward ending the conflict in Syria, such as it is, is now in total disarray. As they say, seeing is believing.
Admittedly, there has long been a Russian military presence in Syria. When opposition forces overran a Syrian listening post in October last year, the images revealed that it was staffed by the Russian military. More recently, analysts have noted pictures and videos that seem to confirm the presence of Russian combat forces fighting in Syria. Russian military vehicles have been sighted, while Russian soldiers have posted images and comments on Russian social media sites like VKontakte and the California-based LiveJournal, detailing their service in the war-torn country. (Some of the best open-source analysis has been on Bellingcat’s website.)
It is very strange world we live in, one marked both by the “little green men” of Russia’s “hybrid” warfare who Moscow can disavow and by data ubiquity that allows analysts to mock those disavowals.
Still, there has always been a question about how extensive Russia’s support for the Syrian regime has been the past four years. Are those even Russians inside the Moscow-supplied combat vehicles? Open-source analysts have been quite enterprising in suggesting the answer is yes, hearing snippets of Russian in between bursts from the vehicle’s gun. But the Russians claim any Slavic accents are merely those of a very small number of trainers or advisors. Nothing to see here; please move along.
That is now very hard to believe. On Sept. 4, the New York Times published an article suggesting that Russia had shipped prefabricated housing and a transportable air traffic control station to an airfield near Latakia. It was a great scoop, but I was pretty baffled that the New York Times didn’t bother to purchase a satellite image of the facility. Had they done so, they would have realized that they buried the lede.
Above, an image of the air base near Latakia, taken from Google Earth. (Click to enlarge)
[size=13]Above, a recent satellite image from the same airbase. (Click to enlarge)[/size
The satellite image shows far more than prefabricated housing and an air traffic control station. It shows extensive construction of what appears to be a military canton at Bassel al-Assad International Airport (named for Bashar’s elder brother, who died in a car accident in 1994). This canton appears designed to support Russian combat air operations from the base and may serve as a logistical hub for Russian combat forces.
In recent days, using aircraft tracking sites, a number of analysts have begun to document the near-daily arrival of Russian transport planes to the base. The Russians are also sending ships to Syria, though the ships often declare for a nearby non-Syrian port, like Port Said in Egypt, and then take a wrong turn at Albuquerque, so to speak.
The White House, according to Bloomberg’s Josh Rogin, scheduled a National Security Council meeting last week to discuss the construction.
What is at stake is how to deal with a situation in which Vladimir Putin is going all-in on behalf of the Assad government while our policy is in tatters.
What is at stake is how to deal with a situation in which Vladimir Putin is going all-in on behalf of the Assad government while our policy is in tatters.
Rogin reports that U.S. officials believe Russia will base combat aircraft at the site. That is easy to confirm from the satellite image. In recent weeks, construction crews have completed a taxiway that connects the runway to the construction area. That means aircraft shelters for Russian aircraft.
The scale of the construction goes even further. A large area of ground has been cleared in many different parts of the air base. There are pallets and crates everywhere. Trucks are visible driving into the site. (We’ve annotated the image, but I highly recommend following @finriswolf on Twitter.) The image drives home the implication of all those flights and shipments heading to Syria: Russia is substantially expanding its involvement.
There is now little hope of establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, unless Washington wants to be in the business of shooting down Russian aircraft. From a broader perspective, U.S. efforts to arm the opposition to Assad mean fighting a proxy war with Moscow, either by trying to down the Russian planes or helping Syrian opposition forces kill Russian combat troops on the ground. That seems a much tougher task than fighting a proxy war with Iran and Hezbollah.
But beyond this narrow question of whether the United States wants to directly support combat operations against Russian forces in Syria, Moscow’s apparent commitment to Damascus raises fundamental questions about what U.S. strategy, if any, can succeed. I have long been opposed to collaborating with Assad. I don’t believe that he is committed to fighting the Islamic State; he only seems interested in attacking those opposition forces that threaten him directly. (In fact, by writing off parts of Syria to the Islamic State, he creates a second front for his opponents.) Nor do I believe he will ever command enough support to reestablish government control in Syria. If there is any hope of uniting Syrians, Assad must leave.
What Russia has done, however, is make it clear that it will not let Assad fall. He can’t win, but Russia won’t let him lose. That dooms Syria to what looks like endless war, as Assad fights to the last man. There are those who see Syria as a quagmire for Putin, a kind of matched pair to our own folly in Iraq; just as Washington collectively saw Afghanistan as payback for Vietnam. I am not so sanguine.
While Charlie Wilson’s war helped popularize the idea of bleeding Moscow, I don’t think that can be the basis of U.S. policy either. The moral cost is far too high. Aylan Kurdi, the 3-year-old boy whose corpse washed up on a Turkish beach, was fleeing Syria’s civil war, as are hundreds of thousands of the refugees now in Europe. More than half of Syria’s 17 million people have been displaced. Bleeding Moscow means bleeding these people. It may sound strategic in a Pentagon war room, but not when children’s bodies wash up on shore.
Columns are supposed to have a simple solution. An op-ed should have five paragraphs wrapped up in a neat little bow that explains how to fix the problem outlined in the first paragraph. One of my favorite professors (and FP colleague), Kori Schake, used to liken it to the answer in a beauty pageant. She was right, but for the life of me I can’t come up with one. It seems that, sometimes, the world’s pain can’t be solved in a few hundred words of sage advice.
So this column does not have a neat and tidy ending. And that is because I am not sure that it is now possible to save Syria. There is no path to resurrect a state that is failing, not so long as Putin has decided to do whatever it takes to preserve Assad’s awful regime and condemn Syria to endless conflict. We can, of course, make it difficult for Russia to resupply its forces in Syria. Already, some NATO allies, like Bulgaria and Turkey, have denied Russian aircraft over-flight rights. Iraq, too, appears to have turned back at least one aircraft.
And there is surely more we can do to shelter the millions of refugees now fleeing the conflict. Having helped create this mess with the invasion of Iraq and subsequent failure to stop the bloodshed in Syria, the United States and its European allies have an obligation to assist these people. This is especially true of those countries that were the loudest supporters of the invasion of Iraq. Coalition of the Still Willing, right? That includes you, Hungary.
But these measures won’t replace Bashar al-Assad with a figure who could rally moderate Syrians to restore a stable government, let alone stop the bloodshed. At best, they are only an expression of empathy and contrition. Putin has to be convinced to tell Assad it is time to go. Until then, and as long as Moscow is flooding Syria with military assistance, the country’s misery will continue.
Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 8:09
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Death in Syria
By KAREN YOURISH, K.K. REBECCA LAI and DEREK WATKINS SEPT. 14, 2015
More than 200,000 people have been killed in the four-and-a-half-year Syrian civil war.
The constant violence has forced more than four million to flee the country, fueling a refugee crisis in the Middle East and Europe. The country is so dangerous that a definitive tally of deaths is not possible, but several groups are trying to document how many Syrians have died, and what killed them.
Each of these dots represents one person who was killed during the conflict.
“With each passing day there are fewer safe places in Syria,” Paulo Sérgio Pinheiro, chairman of the United Nations panel investigating human rights abuses in Syria, wrote in a recent report. “Everyday decisions — whether to visit a neighbor, to go out to buy bread — have become, potentially, decisions about life and death.” At least 28,277 civilians have died in shootings and mass killings.
Thousands of civilians have been victims of mass shootings and gunfire between government forces and insurgents. In one case documented by the United Nations, more than 100 people, including at least 49 children, were killed in Homs on May 25, 2012. Most were shot at close range.
The U.N. reports that armed opposition groups have also executed children, but lack of access in areas controlled by the Islamic State has prevented systematic documentation. “In places like Raqqa and Deir Ezzor, it’s almost impossible to verify the information,” said Bassam al-Ahmad, spokesman for the Violation Documentation Center in Syria.
At least 27,006 civilians were killed in mortar, artillery and rocket attacks.
Both government and insurgent forces have used “weapons that are guaranteed to cause civilian damage,” said Geoffrey Mock, a Middle East specialist at Amnesty International. Children account for about 20 percent of these deaths.
The Syrian government has repeatedly fired imprecise rockets and unguided bombs, according to the United Nations and other monitoring groups. Insurgent groups have used so-called “hell cannons” — improvised artillery devices fitted with explosive gas canisters that cause widespread damage.
“What we are seeing in Syria is war crime on both sides,” Mr. Mock said. SYRIA-CRISIS_.jpg Shelling from forces loyal to President Bashar Al-Assad in Aleppo’s Bustan al-Qasr neighborhood. Yaman Al Halabi/Reuters
At least 18,866 civilians were killed in Syrian government air attacks.
Syrian warplanes and helicopters have blasted civilian targets like mosques, schools and shopping markets in insurgent-controlled areas with barrel bombs — large containers filled with explosives and projectiles — and other weapons. As the government lost control of the country, said Mr. Ahmad of the Violations Documentation Center, “they began using new tactics by dropping air bombs.” More than a quarter of the dead are children.
At least 8,871 civilians were killed after being kidnapped, detained and/or tortured.
The United Nations and others have documented rampant use of torture by both government and opposition forces, including crimes against children targeted for appearing to be pro-government. In March, thousands of photos surfaced showing detainees who were said to have died in Syrian prisons. The photos were smuggled out of Syria by a former Syrian military photographer. Secretary of State John Kerry said that the photos showed evidence of torture.
At least 984 civilians were killed by exposure to chemical or toxic substances.
The Syrian government has been accused of using chlorine-filled barrel bombs. An attack in 2013 killed hundreds of people (some estimates were upward of 1,500) in Ghouta, a suburb of Damascus controlled by the opposition, when the area was struck by several rockets containing sarin, a nerve agent known to be part of the Syrian military’s stockpile. There are also reports that the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, has used mustard gas in northern Syria.
At least 654 medical workers were killed in attacks on hospitals.
The United Nations has accused the Syrian government of using attacks on hospitals as a “weapon of war.” Physicians for Human Rights documented nearly 300 attacks on hospitals through July, most of them carried out by pro-Assad forces in opposition-controlled areas. At least 565 civilians died from starvation, dehydration or lack of basic medical care.
The death toll, documented by the Syrian American Medical Society through January 2015, does not capture the many people — estimates range from 200,000 to more than 600,000 — who have been under siege for more than a year and are at risk of starving to death or dying from other preventable causes. The majority of those besieged are trapped by the Syrian government in the Damascus area, according to Valerie Szybala, the primary author of a report by the Syrian American Medical Society and executive directive of the Syria Institute, a new think tank.
An estimated 181 civilians were killed in the American-led air campaign against ISIS.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has estimated that 181 civilians have been killed in the coalition airstrike campaign against the Islamic State, as of mid-August. Other groups have given higher estimates, and all say that the United States and its allies understate the civilian toll. The United States Central Command says it has confirmed the deaths of only two civilians since the start of the campaign.[/b]
Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 9:05
Selon des sources rebelles ,les russes s’apprêtent a lancer une vaste offensive dans le Ghab (region d'Idlib) d'autres parle plutôt dans la Ghouta ,qu'importe ,si c'est le cas la guerre Syrienne prendra fin pour être remplacer par "la guerre de Syrie" .
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 10:41
Les Russes n'ont pas apprit de leur erreur en Afghanistan, j'espère que la Syrie leur sera leur deuxième Afghanistan. Les Amerloks feront en sorte pour les affaiblir en Syrie, comme ils le font en Ukraine en ce moment ou en Afghanistan dans les années 80.
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 11:20
Que pensent les Perses des Arabes?! Des animaux?! Des Iraniens en Syrie.
Alors les défenseurs de la Perse et du régime Assadiste?!
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 14:33
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L'Australie effectue sa première mission au-dessus de la Syrie
15 Septembre 2015
Rédigé par Loïc et publié depuis Overblog
Photo : (c) Australian DoD - Un F/A-18A Hornet au cours d'un ravitaillement nocturne pendant cette première mission en Syrie.
Dans un communiqué de presse publié Mardi 09 Septembre 2015, Tony Abbott, le Premier Ministre australien, a indiqué que son gouvernement "a décidé d'étendre les frappes aériennes de l'Australie contre Daech en Syrie", quelques jours après la même décision prise par la France.
C'est donc dans ce cadre là que Samedi 12 Septembre 2015, l'Australian Air Task Group déployé au Moyen-Orient a mené sa première mission au-dessus de la Syrie, selon un communiqué de presse publié par le Ministère australien de la Défense.
Celui-ci indique que cette première mission, qui s'est déroulée de nuit, n'a pas engendré de frappes aériennes sur des positions de l'Organisation Etat Islamique, et qu'elle a regroupé deux F/A-18A Hornet, un ravitailleur KC-30A, ainsi qu'un avion de guet aérien E-7A, tous issus de la Force Aérienne Royale Australienne.
L'Air Commodore Stu Bellingham, commandant l'Australian Air Task Group, a précisé qu'au cours de cette mission, les "Hornet ont recherché des points d'intérêts utiles pour les actions de l'ennemis, dans l'Est de la Syrie, en coopération avec le Combined Air Operations Centre, qui était en liaison avec l'E-7A".
Depuis la fin du mois de Septembre 2014, la Force Aérienne Royale Australienne déploie sur la base aérienne d'Al Dhafra (Emirats-Arabes-Unis) six F/A-18A Hornet et F/A-18F Super Hornet, un ravitailleur KC-30A MRTT, ainsi qu'un E-7A Wedgetail (Boeing 737 modifié pour des missions de guet aérien).
L'ensemble de ces aéronefs, engagés dans le cadre de l'opération Okra (opération Inherent Resolve pour l'ensemble de la coalition internationale) sont soutenus au sol par 400 militaires australiens, regroupés autour d'un Air Task Group (ATG). En plus de cela, 200 militaires supplémentaires des forces spéciales sont eux intégrés au sein d'un Special Operations Task Group (SOTG).
A titre d'information, l'ensemble de la flotte des six F/A-18 (Super) Hornet a effectué, depuis Septembre 2014, plus de 739 sorties aériennes, qui ont conduit à la production de plus de 5 661 heures de vol.
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 15:24
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Cette vidéo a été réalisée à 360° à Jisr al-Choughour (Syrie) avec un dispositif de six caméras. En la visionnant, les internautes peuvent ainsi évoluer dans les rues dévastées par les combats. Smart/Okio Studio
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 16:08
Baybars a écrit:
Les Russes n'ont pas apprit de leur erreur en Afghanistan, j'espère que la Syrie leur sera leur deuxième Afghanistan. Les Amerloks feront en sorte pour les affaiblir en Syrie, comme ils le font en Ukraine en ce moment ou en Afghanistan dans les années 80.
J espère que les occidentaux ne vont pas aider daech et donc pactiser avec le dia le comme la Turquie.
J en voudrais beaucoup à mon gouvernement si cela arrivait.
Contrer les russes oui, mais pas avec daech.
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 16:13
charly a écrit:
Baybars a écrit:
Les Russes n'ont pas apprit de leur erreur en Afghanistan, j'espère que la Syrie leur sera leur deuxième Afghanistan. Les Amerloks feront en sorte pour les affaiblir en Syrie, comme ils le font en Ukraine en ce moment ou en Afghanistan dans les années 80.
J espère que les occidentaux ne vont pas aider daech et donc pactiser avec le dia le comme la Turquie.
J en voudrais beaucoup à mon gouvernement si cela arrivait.
Contrer les russes oui, mais pas avec daech.
les russe si ils vont en syrie il font se faire deverouiller il partiront d'eux même, ils sont probablement plus aguerri que beaucoup de soldat russes apres 4 ans de guerre et conaissent bien mieux le terrain sa va etre une boucherie pour eux deja que la georgie quand ils sont venu pied a terre leurs a donné beaucoup de mal
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 16:57
Baybars a écrit:
Les Russes n'ont pas apprit de leur erreur en Afghanistan, j'espère que la Syrie leur sera leur deuxième Afghanistan. Les Amerloks feront en sorte pour les affaiblir en Syrie, comme ils le font en Ukraine en ce moment ou en Afghanistan dans les années 80.
Dans l’éventualité de leurs implication total sur le théâtre de ce conflit ,cette guerre se généralisera ,il n'est pas impossible aussi qu’ils exportent chez eux cette guerre ,avec une communauté musulmane de plus de 20 millions et plusieurs pays musulmans comme voisin dont certains connaissent des mouvement djihadistes très fort je ferais très intention a leurs place ,mais comme l'a dit baybars il n'ont pas apprit de leurs guerre en Afghanistan ......
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 16:58
Si les russes s'aventurent en syrie ça sera leur fin , déjà des milliers de potentiels militants sont neutre maintenant , mais dès qu'ils verront que la russie intervient en Syrie ça va se bousculer pour canarder du russe.
Surtout à Sahl el Ghab , un terrain montagneu qui ressemble à celui de l'afganistan et de la Tchétchénie que la russie s'est fait humilier.
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 18:16
La Russie ne c est pas fait humilier en Afghanistan, c et une légende urbaine.
Elle c est ait avoir par les américains et leur missile.
L armée rouge et les russes ont une capacité à résister et à accepter des pertes que peu de pays où armée ont encore.
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 18:24
charly a écrit:
La Russie ne c est pas fait humilier en Afghanistan, c et une légende urbaine.
Elle c est ait avoir par les américains et leur missile.
L armée rouge et les russes ont une capacité à résister et à accepter des pertes que peu de pays où armée ont encore.
l'armée russe en afghanistan c'est barré sans réalisé ses objectif et sans demandé son reste les missilles d'autres aurait pu les fournir a la place des americains
de plus de nos jour les manpad et les atgm ont été acheté en masse par les pays de la région et peuvent même les fabriqué sous license si sa leurs chante vu leurs budget de la défense collossaux ils ont de quoi enmerdé la russie pour les 15-20 ans avenir et d'ailleurs je reste perplexe sur un engagement russe il n'ont rien a gagné en syrie voir même en meditérannée la base de tartous ne vaut pas un engagement massif qui est de toutes les manières voué a l'echec et risque de couté plusieurs centaines de milliard de $
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Sujet: Re: Guerre Civile en Syrie ( LISEZ LE PREMIER POST ! ) Mar 15 Sep 2015 - 18:37
Arsenik, ait un effort remet toi dans le contexte de l époque stp.
Les hélicoptères russes prenaient le dessus, les russes gagnaient la guerre avant l arrive des missiles cia/usa.
Faut juste être précis.
Maintenant en Syrie, c est claire que cela va être autre chose. Mais les russes restent les russes et ils sont dangereux.
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