F-16 vs Mig29

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JORIS JANSSEN LOK
Amendola Air Base, Italy

Four F-16AMs of the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) were among the first NATO aircraft to enter Serbian airspace on the night of 24 March. Within minutes, the Dutch had achieved their first air-to-air victory since World War II, shooting down a Serbian MiG-29.

The engagement also marked the combat debut for the F-16AM, the most advanced F-16 in operational service.

In an interview with Jane's Defence Weekly, Lt Col Jon Abma, RNLAF, commanding officer of the Belgian-Netherlands Deployed Air Task Force (DATF) described the events that happened during the first moments of Operation Allied Force.

"At 19.30hr local time four F-16AMs took off from here for a fighter escort mission to protect one of the first NATO strike packages. After an in-flight refuelling over the Adriatic Sea, the flight crossed over Albania into Serbia. Upon entering Serbian airspace, they were informed by AWACS that three MiG-29 aircraft had taken off from an air base near Belgrade," Col Abma said.

That base is understood to have been Batajnica, home of the Yugoslav Air Force's only MiG-29 unit, the 127th Fighter Aviation Squadron 'Knights'. Col Abma said: "The four F-16AMs headed out toward the threat, working to detect the MiGs on their own radars. Subsequently, one of the MiGs was picked up by all four F-16s. When within range, our flight leader fired one AMRAAM against the MiG. It was an instant hit, after a flight of 30 seconds."

The AMRAAM, credited with a speed of over 4,000km/h,would be capable of covering a distance of more than 33km in 30 seconds. According to RNLAF personnel at Amendola, the head-on missile intercept took place 18km from the lead F-16.

"The pilot involved visually saw a fiery explosion. At the same time, the AWACS recorded that the MiG disappeared from the scope," Col Abma said. "We have never seen the other MiG-29s, but around the same time two US F-15s shot down two of those aircraft."

Col Abma said that the rules of engagement (ROEs) for air-to-air engagements require that the target has been tracked by AWACS throughout its flight, and that four other parameters also must be met. Other RNLAF officers said that among those are a positive IFF identification and an approval from the mission commander.

Flying in the air defence role, the F-16AMs at Amendola each carried four AMRAAMs, two external fuel tanks and a Northrop Grumman ALQ-131 ECM pod. In addition four of the eight aircraft also carried two Raytheon AGM-65G Maverick air-to-ground missiles each.

"This is so that they can react instantly when a ground target needs to be attacked urgently," said Col Abma, adding that this 'swing role' capability was much appreciated by NATO's Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) in Vicenza, Italy, which plans and leads the air campaign.

Photo: Mig kill symbol being painted on Dutch F-16AM fighter aircraft at Amendola Air Base. (J Janssen Lok/Jane's)


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AIM-9X inerte (marquer par la bande bleu) pour être précis et d'ACMI + AIM-120

Les gars attention il s'agit içi d'une démonstration grand publique, le MIG-29 est réputé pour sa grande manoeuvrabilité.
Ce que vous voyez à certainement été organisé pour le publique alors il faut relativisé

C'est evident il s'agit de demontré les capacités de leurs nouveaux F-16,le fait que le F-16 soit equipé de cft et autres n'influent pas sur ses capacités de dogfight méme equipé lourdement le F-16 est capable de mener des missions de supériorité aerienne,d'ou un reacteur trés puissant et l'aerodynamique des cft .
autre chose on voit bien que dans un vrai combat entre ces deux avions equipé de viseurs de casque et de missile de quatriéme generation le combat n'aurai pas duré plus de 30 seconde.

plus limités qu´on les croyait les Mig29,bonne
(ca evoque aussi le fumage et ses inconveneants..)

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très intéressant ! cet article résume et confirme toutes les remarques que nous faisions ici même
un vrai régale merci

Un petit bémol tout de même, le MiG-29 bulgare est une version export datant de la période soviétique, version que l'on savait bridée les russes étant peu partageurs avec leurs alliés, y compris les membres du pacte de Varsovie. L'adversaire est un F-16 block 50 américain au top avec JHMCS, AIM-9X et AIM-120 AMRAAM (quelle version?), et il va de soi, non bridé pour cause d'export.

oui mais il garde meme apres les limitations,telles la petite range,la courte endurance,le moteur fumant a courte vie,et le binome R73/HMS est loin du AIM9X/JHMCS...et ca seulement en WVR
en plus de ca le Hotas reste un point d´achille sur les Mig29 toute version confondue,pas assez poussé

C'est au regard de ce que tu rappelles, Yak, que je qualifie mon intervention de "petit bémol".

comparaison entre le f-16 block 52 et MIG-29 polonais

en polonais Désolé

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F-16s, MiGs Engage Over Bulgarian Skies

GRAF IGNATIEVO AIR BASE, Bulgaria | U.S. pilots from the 555th and 510th Fighter Squadrons based out of Aviano Air Base, Italy, have been given a rare opportunity to train and share experiences with Bulgarian air force MiG-21 and MiG-29 pilots during their deployment here in support of Thracian Star 2012.

Since the start of the training mission on April 18, Bulgarian and American pilots have been flying together and working toward the goal of the exercise: to strengthen partnerships, increase interoperability between NATO allies and maintain a standard of excellence.

Throughout the month-long bilateral training exercise, Aviano F-16 Fighting Falcon pilots will spend more than 60 hours per week flying close air support, basic fighter and air combat maneuvers, tactical intercepts, defensive counter air and large force missions with Bulgarian MiG-21 and MiG-29 pilots.

"We are performing the same mission sets we do at home station, but we are integrating the Bulgarian pilots into the training," said Capt. Bryan Faughn, 555th FS F-16 pilot. "It gives us an opportunity to see how another country's air force works. They are a professional air force just like we are and they take pride in what they do. We are gaining experience while working with an international partner - it's a unique opportunity."

To gain better insight into both the tactics of the pilots and the capabilities of the different aircraft, pilots have gone on ride-along flights in the other country's jets.

Capt. Kirby Sanford, 555th FS F-16 pilot, was the first American pilot to get the opportunity to ride in a MiG.

"It was truly an awesome, once-in-a-lifetime experience," Sanford said about his flight. "It really highlighted the advantages of both aircraft and showcased the mindset, skills and techniques of the Bulgarians."

"Though the MiG is an older aircraft, it is still a very capable aircraft," he continued. "It just goes to show that even an older aircraft can be a formidable adversary with the right pilot."

Bulgarian air force Capt. Petar Milkov, was the first MiG-29 pilot to fly in an F-16 during Thracian Star 2012. The aircraft was piloted by Col. David Walker, 31st Operations Group and Thracian Star detachment commander.

"I was very impressed by the cockpit ergonomics, ease of flight and mission complexity," said Milkov. "This bilateral training with my American colleagues is a great chance to extend our partnership in a professional, cultural and personal manner. I also hope to enrich my personal experience and make new contacts."

While the language barrier could have made it difficult for Bulgarian and American pilots to find common ground, Sanford says they all have one thing in common that makes it easy to relate to one another: a love of flying.

"We've all wanted to be fighter pilots since we were young," he said. "That's a good basis to start from. We already have something in common that each of us can relate to that has brought forth a mutual respect between us."

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