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China readies J-10A fighter for export


Hong Kong, China — China is aiming at a substantial share of the international market for third-generation fighter aircraft, with a particular eye on oil-rich third-world countries as part of its arms-for-oil strategy. This was evidenced by the high-profile display of its J-10A fighter at the 2008 Zhuhai Air Show last November.
Chinese experts were observed giving exhaustive information on the J-10A to military delegations from Angola, Nigeria and Venezuela at the air show. Venezuela seemed most interested in the aircraft.
The first foreign buyer of the J-10A will be Pakistan, a source from the Chinese aviation industry said. In March, Pakistan’s Air Chief Marshall Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed confirmed that a deal with China had been reached, and the aircraft would be delivered in 2014 and 2015. The version for Pakistan will be called the FC-20.
However, there is an issue with the engine on this aircraft. The J-10A is currently equipped with Russian-made AL-31F aviation engines. It is unclear whether Russia will permit China to install these engines on its aircraft and then export them to Pakistan. Such a move would have not only economic but also political repercussions, considering that Pakistan’s rival, India, is a major purchaser of Russian arms.
For this reason, the export version of the J-10A fighter is still under design. Both the engine and the weapon systems on board will be different from the domestic version, according to the source from the Chinese aviation industry.
India has been using the Russian AL-31FP engine extensively in its fighter aircraft. If China exports large numbers of J-10P/FC-20 fighters outfitted with Russian engines to Pakistan, India will be much more concerned over this deal than with China’s earlier export of JF-17 2.5-generation fighters to Pakistan. As a third-generation combat aircraft, the J-10A will pose a real threat to the Indian Air Force.
With this concern, India sent a strong delegation to the Zhuhai Air Show to expand its contacts with the Chinese, led by its air chief of staff. The Indian Air Force’s aerobatics demonstration team also put on a performance at this event.
At the Singapore Air Show earlier last year, Indian Air Chief Marshall Fali Homi Major had already carefully inspected the simulation cockpit of the JF-17, which is being jointly developed by China and Pakistan. His trip to Zhuhai was to examine the J-10A/ FC-20 fighter.
In contrast to India’s increased interest in engaging with China, Russia sent a much smaller delegation than usual to Zhuhai. For the first time, Russia did not exhibit any combat aircraft or radar systems at the air show. Some representatives of Russian enterprises even cancelled their planned trips to China at the last minute.
One member of the Russian military delegation described China-Russian arms trade as being in a long and drawn-out “winter.” A representative of Rosoboronexport, the agency that handles exports of Russian defense equipment, declined to comment on China’s possible export of J-10A fighters equipped with Russian AL-31F engines.
China did have its own indigenous engine on display at the show, the Taihang turbofan engine, with a thrust power of 13,200 kilograms – although some experts say it is only 12,800 kilograms. The Taihang’s exterior design and modular structure, as well as the processing and polishing technologies of the core machine and engine blades, seem to be an improvement over China’s previous aviation engines, but it is still far behind similar systems from Russia and Western countries.
Representatives of China’s Liming Motor Corporation refused to answer questions about the engine’s performance features. It is unclear why China decided to introduce this engine to the international market when it has not elected to use it on its own J-10 fighters.
A Chinese military source disclosed that China has been promoting the J-10A to Egypt, but it appears that no substantial negotiations have yet taken place. An authoritative source from the Russian military industry has said that Russia will not allow China to use its engines in exported planes if it perceives such sales as having a negative impact on Russia’s own export market. Egypt was once a major client of Russian arms, though it now buys little other than spare parts.
Pakistan, on the other hand, is not a traditional client of Russian aircraft. Therefore Russia allowed its engines to be used on the JF-17 fighters China is developing with Pakistan. The same arrangement may therefore hold for the J-10A.
The basic price for the J-10A is about US$29.3 million, according to the Chinese source. Considering that China aims to sell this fighter primarily to oil-producing countries – and is prepared to trade it for oil and other natural resources – it could be an attractive option for such countries.
A general assessment of the export version of the J-10A fighter can conclude that its engine has less thrust than the F-16 Block 52, while its radar system is more or less on a par with the Zhuk-ME multifunction radar on the Russian MiG-29 SMT. This is because Russia’s Phazotron Design Bureau exported to China three sets of its Zemchung multirole radar systems after 2001, allowing China to come up with its own version of the Zhuk-ME radar. This radar has a detection range of 120 kilometers for 5m2 aerial targets and can attack four targets in the air simultaneously.
In terms of the diversity and performance of its weapon systems, especially long-range attack weapons, the J-10A lags far behind the F-16 Block 52. The-air-to-air missiles loaded on the J-10A fighter at the Zhuhai exhibition were SD-10A AAMs with compound hardpoints. The SD-10A is a medium-range active radar-guided air-to-air missile upgraded from the SD-10, with its maximum range extended to 70 kilometers. Its length is 3.9 meters, diameter 203 millimeters, weight 198 kilograms, and maximum speed Mach 5.
The PL-12 air-to-air missiles currently in service in the PLA Air Force have undergone similar upgrading. Short-range missiles include the new-generation PL-5EII and PL-9C. The PL-5EII is equipped with a multichannel infrared seeker, the latest laser proximity fuse, and a rocket motor with a non-smoke propellant.
The air-to-ground weapons on the J-10A mainly include the LT-2 laser-guided bomb and the FT series of global positioning system-guided bombs. In recent years China has been imitating U.S. aviation combat weapons, a trend that is reflected in the weapon platforms on the J-10A, including its imitation U.S. joint direct attack munition serial bombs.
At the most recent Zhuhai show, China put on open display its FT-5 GPS-guided bomb. The FT-1 and FT-3 500/250-kilogram-class GPS-guided bombs were on display at the previous show in 2006. China also showed off its 500-kilogram-class FT-2 with gliding fins added. The FT-2 has an effective range of 15-90 kilometers, a circular error probability of 20 meters and an air-dropping altitude of 3,000 to 12,000 meters.
The FT-5 small-diameter bomb copies the latest design of the U.S. military. A designer of the system said that the FT-5’s warhead has a weight of 35 kilograms and a circular error probability of 15 meters. It was developed mainly for unmanned aerial vehicles. The effective range of the FT-5 is 2-5 kilometers when launched from a UAV and 3-35 kilometers when launched from a J-10A.
China has also developed the LT-3 GPS+ terminal laser-guided air-to-ground missile for the J-10A, which is very similar in structure to the U.S. Army’s JDAM+ laser-guided bomb.
These imitations provide evidence that the Chinese military has been tracking U.S. technology, viewing the United States as both a presumed enemy and a competitor in the arms export market. Of course China’s imitations are not limited to U.S. military equipment, but it is certainly learning from U.S. technology as well as military combat doctrines.
China is now paying close attention to the development of anti-GPS-jamming multiple-guidance weapons. Its Sekong Company has developed a 570-kilogram-class guided bomb based on the Russian Krasnopole laser-guided projectile’s seeker technology. China plans to promote this guided bomb along with the J-10A. A designer says that this bomb has a circular error probability of 3.1 meters and an air-release altitude of 500-10,000 meters.
It is not clear whether the LT-3 has ever been test-fired, as China did not show video footage of this guided bomb under test.
As for anti-ship weapons, Chinese promoters of the J-10A claim that the fighter can carry 75-kilometer-range new-generation C-705 anti-ship missiles or C-802A anti-ship missiles with a range close to 250 kilometers. The C-705 was also on exhibit for the first time. The C-705 is a modified version of the C-704, with a turbojet engine and two flight fins. The weight of its warhead is 110 kilograms and it has a minimum flight altitude of 12 meters.
The J-10A fighter has 11 hardpoints, two of which are of compound structure, making the total number of hardpoints 13.
The PLA Navy seems to be assessing the possibility of acquiring J-10As for its combat ships. A Chinese source said that the navy liked its price and its aerial refuelling capability. This source also disclosed that the J-10A’s combat radius is 800 kilometers. In this regard, the technological standard of the materials used on the J-10A can be judged far inferior to those of the same-generation fighters of the United States and Europe.
The J-10A is already fitted with an arresting hook imported from Russia for shipboard landing drills. However, the same source said no decision had as yet been made as to whether the PLA Navy will employ the J-10A as a ship-borne combat aircraft

le J10 comparable au F-16 sa reste à demontrer ...j'attend de le voir réellement engagé en combat pour pouvoir évaluer ses capacités
le F16 lui avec sa dernière campagne en Libye ne fait que confirmer ce que l'on savait déjà !

Je ne dirais pas non à un mixe des 2, le J10 dans ses versions les plus recentes promet de bonnes performances, la cellule étant plus récente elle est plus adaptée au vol supersonique (entrée d'air DSI), et si ça se confirme que le nouveau moteur fourni une poussée de 15 tonnes alors dans ce cas on aura à faire à une vraie bête de combat... Après je ne sais vraiment pas ce que vallent réellement les radars et EW chinois mais s'ils sont corrects ça va être un excellent intrecepteur...
Grâce à sa poussée il aura plus de plafond pratique, plus de punch au combat à très hautes altitudes et surement une capacité Supercruise donc plus d'agressivité: capacité de pénétration rapide et temps de réponse ennemis réduit.

Je n'irai pas jusqu'à comparer les 2, d'une part, le F16 n'a plus rien à prouver durant ses 40 ans de carrière brillante, d'autre part on sait très peu de chose sur l'électronique du J10... Mais bon, le dragon se réveille, il faut lui faire confiance

J'espère que le nouveau moteur sera retenu aussi pour la version de base et pas seulement pour la navalisée.

ya que les paki pour nous dire ou se situe les chasseurs chinois par apport au F-16

Je ne sais pas quelle version prennent les pakis, si c'est la version de base la comparaison n'est pas interessante, c'est un avion qui murit vite et il y a un gap technologique considérable entre les versions.

Si les chinois en font leur cheval de bataille par exellence sur le marché export avec quelques débouché ...on aura très vite plus d'info
Le fait que les chinois est dévéloppé leur propre moteur est assurément un plus ....
Reste bcp de question en suspend car comme dans le cas russe par exemple, malgrès des performances corrects les moteurs ont espérence de vie limité ...

Mes je fais confiance aux chinois pour corriger les erreurs de jeunesses, ils apprennent vite !
Preuve en est leur Type-99 qui n'a plus rien à envier à un T90... et lui est peut être supérieur ...

il sera intéressant quand il réunira un certain nombre de qualités

super cruise + AESA + un jammer DRFM + BVRAAM RAMJET + SRAAM IIR + RCS <1m

J'ai encore 2 autres arguments en faveur de ce vecteur chinois:

1/ S'il est correcte, imaginons qu'il soit dans notre inventaire d'ici 10 ans ou 15, les espagnols ne seront pas très à l'aise avec cette idée que nous possédons un chasseur dont ils connaissent très peu de chose, c'est pire que d'avoir un chasseur occidental qui même s'il est au top de la technologie ils le connaissent très bien car se frottent à lui régulièrement dans le cadre des exercices Otan, et autres partage d'exprience... ça va être vraiment très stressant pour eux, surtout si l'avion à l'air d'avoir de bonnes perfs.

2/ (laissez moi rêver un peu, ne brisez pas mes rêves...) Si nous arrivons à l'avoir assorti d'un 2 ème contrat d'assemblage local et customisation à notre goût de son petit cousin le JF-17, ça va être vraiment trop cool

ça sera un choix dissuasif et stratégiquement intelligent. il faudra miser tôt sur la Chine pour espérer récolter plus tard les fruits de ce choix. le J10 est offert à 42M$ l'unité à l'export la version export est appelée FC-20

il reste à savoir si la Chine oserait faire confiance à un "allié majeur" des USA qui risque bien de permettre aux spécialistes US de jeter un coup d'oeil de près sur les secrets de l'appareil.... on a encore rien eu de vraiment "lourd" comme armement chinois. le J10 et HQ9 sont à la 1ère ligne de défense chinoise, vont-ils les exporter à n'importe qui ?....

A mon humble avis, si les chinois le proposent à l'export tu peux le montrer à tous le monde même aux martiens, ils ne misent pas tout sur ce chasseur, ils auront bientôt le J20 et son petit cousin. Et puis ce sont les chinois qui compient pour le moment les autres n'ont pas grand chose à copier des chinois.

Je pense aussi que s'ils ne donnent rien de lourd c'est qu'on a rien demandé. Cette transition a besoin de beaucoup de sous même si l'armement chinois est plus abordable en général, le moment n'est pas venu, pas encore, dans l'immédiat nous avons des commandes récentes à absorber.

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The J-31, China's second prototype fifth-generation stealth fighter, designed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, will be produced for the export market instead of for China's air force and navy, according to Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong of the PLA Navy in a People's Daily report

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20130925000144

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Chinese J-10A Fighter Jet Locks on Su-30MKK2 Flanker
Dec 21 2013
By David Cenciotti

CCTV has aired footage taken during a recent PLAAF (People’s Liberation Army Air Force) exercise.

Among the images, there is also an interesting HUD capture showing a Lock On on Su-30MKK2 Flanker by a Chengdu J-10A, reportedly taken on Dec. 2, 2013.

The simulated lock-on is interesting, because HUD captures have rarely emerged from China and, above all, it was taken on a supermaneuverable fighter jet, serving with People’s Liberation Army Air Force, Indonesian Air Force, Vietnam People’s Air Force, Venezuelan Air Force and the Uganda People’s Defence Force.

Obviously, as previously explained, such captures are almost meaningless unless we know the RoE (Rules Of Engagement) of the dogfight, flight parameters, restrictions, etc.

Image via Chinese Military Review (H/T to Pietro Nurra for the heads-up).

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deja eu un exercice ou j-10 l on remporté face a SU-30MK2... 

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J-10B to enter operational service in frontline units

After recently entering the J-10B — an upgrade version of the country's J-10 fighter — into service, the People's Liberation Army will no doubt be more confident when dealing with rival advanced fighters, reports our sister newspaper Want Daily.

The J-10B variant, designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group, is the first indigenous Chinese fighter to be able to combat other advanced fighters deployed in Asia such as the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet of the United States Navy, Rafale of Indian Air Force, J-15J of the Japan Air Self Defense Force and F-15K of the South Korean Air Force, according to the Hangzhou-based Qianjiang Evening News. The paper added that the J-10B is an example of a trye 4.5 generation jet fighter produced in mainland China.

Xu Yongling, a J-10B test pilot, told the Hangzhou paper that the J-10B fighter will play a primary role in defending China's airspace before stealth fighters such as the J-20 and J-31 begin their service with the PLA Navy Air Force. The J-10B has a better diverterless supersonic inlet than its predecessor which greatly reduces the weight of the aircraft. Meanwhile, the stealth capability of the fighter is also enhanced with the new radar absorbent material, he said.

The fighter, also known as the J-10B Super-10, is equipped with an active electronically scanned array radar in its nose, which helps to track and attack multiple targets simultaneously. Unlike its predecessor J-10A, the J-10B is also fitted with the domestic WS-10B engine. Xu said the PLA Air Force and Navy Air Force no longer need to fear the US and European advanced fighters in the region after the J-10B is deployed to frontline units.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20131220000021&cid=1101

Qu'ils continuent a progresser a vitesse grand v, l'Algérie disposera a moyen terme d'un fournisseur the last but not the least  

Le monde entier je pense , pas que l'Algérie . Les Chinois ils sont pragmatiques comme tout le monde sait , si un pays a l'argent , ils lui vendent et sans conditions .
Ils sont pas comme les USA qui sont plus dans une logique de "camps" et d’intérêts (OTAN, Israel ...) , la Chine elle s'en fou de tout sa .
Et oui leur développement militaire est vraiment phénoménale , a ce rythme la ils vont dépasser les Yankees dans 10 -15 ans , ils doivent juste axé leur developpement militaire sur les technologies de pointe , c'est la ou les Américains les dépassent .

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Dubai Airshow 2019: China’s Chengdu promotes J-10C export variant

Reuben F Johnson, Dubai - Jane's Defence Weekly

22 November 2019


A model of the FC-20E, displayed at the Dubai Airshow. Source: Reuben Johnson


The Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC), one of two major fighter aircraft design and production centres in the People’s Republic of China (PRC), revealed the export variant of its J-10 fighter at the 17-21 November Dubai Airshow. Designated the FC-20E, the design is a near-parallel configuration of the J-10C, the third major iteration of the aircraft.

Photographs of the J-10C that circulated on Chinese aviation websites in October showed the aircraft still flying in factory primer, suggesting it is only in the initial stages of series-production.

It differs considerably from the original J-10A, most notably in its power plant. The initial J-10 batches have the Russian Salyut-made AL-31FN Series 3, a derivative of the engine installed in the Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30MKK purchased by China.

The installation of the AL-31F in the J-10A required the Salyut plant’s design team to rotate the gearbox and accessory pack to the underside of the engine. The aircraft’s air intake also had to be a quadrangular shape like that of the Su-27 inlet.

In contrast, the J-10C is reported to be powered with the Chinese-made Wo Shan (WS)-10A engine and features a diverterless, oblong-shaped air inlet. The CAC design team has also demonstrated the aircraft flying with an axisymmetric thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle and a modified nozzle that should reduce the rear hemisphere radar cross section. A J-10C pre-production aircraft in this configuration flew at the November 2018 Air Show China in Zhuhai.

The J-10C is also equipped with an active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar, a new avionics suite, and electronic warfare (EW) modules.


https://www.janes.com/article/92790/dubai-airshow-2019-china-s-chengdu-promotes-j-10c-export-variant

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Chinese J-11B Jet Upgraded with AESA Radar Enters Series Production: Reports

Chinese J-11B jet upgraded with AESA Radar

China’s  J-11B fighter aircraft equipped with an Active  Electronic Scanning Array (AESA) radar has entered series production.

The upgraded aircraft, possibly re-designated as J-11BG has entered batch production at the Shenyang aircraft plant of the Aviation Industries Corporation of China (AVIC). Flight tests of the upgraded aircraft were wrapped up on December 18, AVIC announced on its Sina Weibo account on Wednesday, Chinese media reported.

The appearance of a J-11B fighter jet with a white-painted radar dome featured in photos attached to AVIC's Weibo post, is indicative of the change in radar, speculated Weihutang, a China Central Television program on military affairs. Most of the previous J-11B fighter jets had their radar domes painted black, the report said.

AESA Radar-Equipped Chinese J-11B Fighter Jet Seen for First Time in November 2019.

It is not known what improvements this type of new J-11B variant has received, but analysts said that it could be equipped with an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar to replace the previous pulse-Doppler radar.

Chinese J-11B Jet Upgraded with AESA Radar Enters Series Production: Reports


Older PESA radar equipped J-11

However, one expert discounted the possibility of the J-11B having an AESA radar, "Some of the photos of the new J-11B variant show that the aircraft still has a pitot tube on the center front of its radar dome, and usually the pitot tube has compatibility issues with an AESA radar, so if the aircraft is indeed equipped with an AESA radar remains to be determined," Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times on Thursday.

Nevertheless, a new, white radar dome indicates that the J-11B fighter jet is very likely equipped with a new radar system, Fu said. "It could be a significantly improved pulse-Doppler radar or a passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar. The possibility for an AESA radar should also not be fully ruled out."

China is upgrading most  of its older generation aircraft with modern radar and avionics and upgrading the J-11B could well be a part of this plan. A Chinese research institute, Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology has developed the KLJ-7A AESA radar which may have found its  way into the J-11B.

Les chinois commencent la production des j-11b avec AESA