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| Sujet: PAK DA Mar 20 Oct 2009 - 1:20 | |
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- PAKDA a Russian Stealth bomber
The PAK DA (or PAK-DA), is a next generation strategic bomber which is being developed by Russia. It stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Dalney Aviatsyi which means Future Air Complex for Strategic Air Forces. The PAK DA is going to be heavily based on Russia’s current supersonic bomber Tupolev Tu-160 and is expected to have it’s maiden flight by 2015.
Russian Air Force has made tactical and technical requirements for a new generation of strategic bombers, as reported Interfax.
According to Russian Air Force commander Aleksandr Zelin, work on a new bomber has already begun. “The requirements are formulated, and many firms are now implementing plans” – said Zelin.
According to available information, the aircraft being developed under the project PAK DA (prospective aviation complex long-distance aircraft), will be computed on the basis of construction of a supersonic Tu-160 bomber. According to specialists, to create a new aircraft will take from 5 to 8 years, and the first flight of bombers to be expected after 2015.
Currently, the Russian airforce has Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers, as well as long range Tu-22 bombers. They can carry bombs and cruise missiles. The aircraft of these types are currently undergoing modernization.
Reports also say that the new bomber will have stealth characteristics. http://www.defenceaviation.com/2008/07/pakda-a-russian-stealth-bomber.html - Citation :
- 16 juillet 2007 - Tupolev a été chargé de développer le bombardier de nouvelle génération PAK-AD
La société russe Tupolev a été chargée de développer un bombardier de nouvelle génération (PAK-AD) pour l’Aviation à long rayon d’action russe. Le groupe était le seul candidat pour le développement de ce nouvel appareil d’ici 2015.
Source : Interfax.
Ce projet avait déjà été annoncé en avril 2007. Le choix de Tupolev n’est pas une surprise étant donné que le groupe a réalisé la majeure partie des bombardiers russes (Tu-22, Tu-95, Tu-22M et Tu-160).
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- 29 septembre - Tupolev s’est vu notifier un contrat pour développer le futur bombardier russe PAK-DA
Selon RIA Novosti et Avia.ru, Tupolev s’est vu notifier par le ministère de la défense russe un contrat pour le développement d’un "nouveau" bombardier stratégique "PAK-DA". Le contrat "signé cette année" porte sur les travaux de R&D qui auraient commencé bien avant les premiers financements apportés en 2008. Un premier vol est prévu en 2015. red-stars.org |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Dim 7 Fév 2010 - 17:46 | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Dim 7 Fév 2010 - 20:30 | |
| Sur le 1er dessin on dirait l'avant du SU32. Il ma sembler avoir lu que la Russie avait decider (ou aller se decider) de remettre en route la chaine des TU 160. Quelqu'un a des infos ? | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Dim 7 Fév 2010 - 20:41 | |
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PAK-DA
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Le PAK-DA est le projet russe de bombardier du futur qui doit remplacer les Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS et Tu-160. Tupolev avait lancé des études exploratoires depuis plusieurs années mais n’a obtenu un financement étatique officiel qu’à partir d’août 2009. Ce premier contrat sur 3 ans porte sur les premiers travaux de R&D qui permettront d’affiner son design et ses caractéristiques. Le développement du PAK-DA devrait ensuite commencer en 2012 pour s’achever vers 2017 en vue d’une entrée en service vers 2020-25. Dès 2007, le Général russe Zhikharev avait parlé d’un bombardier "complètement nouveau et différent de ce qui existe à ce jour" qui serait notamment capable de décoller depuis des pistes courtes et non préparées et recourrait aux technologies furtives. Ses caractéristiques ne sont toutefois pas encore connues. | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Dim 7 Fév 2010 - 20:43 | |
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- Sur le 1er dessin on dirait l'avant du SU32.
Ces photos sont des impressions d'artistes, donc il ne reflète pas la réalité forcément. - Gémini a écrit:
Il ma sembler avoir lu que la Russie avait decider (ou aller se decider) de remettre en route la chaine des TU 160. Quelqu'un a des infos ? La flotte actuelle serait en cours de modernisation, aucune info concernant une éventuelle remise en route de la chaine de production. http://red-stars.org/spip.php?breve1397 http://red-stars.org/spip.php?breve1470 |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Lun 8 Fév 2010 - 12:17 | |
| Sur le 1er dessin on voit tres bien l'inspiration de l'artiste les "rostres "de queue typique de la famille flanker. De quelle annee date le 1er dessin? | |
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| Sujet: Russia wants new bomber to have hypersonic capability Lun 17 Sep 2012 - 1:39 | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Mer 14 Nov 2012 - 17:08 | |
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New Russian Bomber 'Will Not be Hypersonic'
MOSCOW, November 14 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's future PAK-DA manned bomber project will not have hypersonic speed capability, Russia's bomber force commander said on Wednesday, in an apparent contradiction of claims by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin earlier this year. "PAK-DA, currently under development, will not be hypersonic," Lt. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev told RIA Novosti on Wednesday. The first prototpe PAK-DA is due to enter service around 2020, he added. Hypersonic speeds are high supersonic, usually referring to Mach five and above, which can usually only be generated using advanced propulsion technology such as ramjet or scramjet engines. No manned aircraft has yet been flown using such technologies, which are on the cutting edge of aerospace know-how. Zhikharev's statement follows a protracted exchange in the media between senior air force officers, including himself, and Rogozin, who has special responsibility for the arms industry, over what shape PAK-DA should take. Rogozin repeated in August an earlier appeal for Russia to develop a hypersonic aircraft for its PAK-DA long-range bomber requirement. "I think we need to go down the route of hypersonic technology and we are moving in that direction and are not falling behind the Americans," he said on Rossiya 24 TV. "We will use this technology when developing a new bomber." In June, President Vladimir Putin ordered initial development of the new long-range bomber for strategic aviation. Speaking during a conference on defense orders, Putin said: "We have to develop work on the new PAK-DA long-range bomber aircraft for Long-Range Aviation. The task is not easy from a scientific-technical standpoint, but we need to start work." Rogozin initially said in June he saw no need for PAK-DA to replace the air force's aging Tu-95MS cruise-missile carriers and Tu-160 supersonic bombers. “These aircraft will not get anywhere. Not ours, not theirs,” he said in an interview with Izvestia that month. He later clarified his statement by saying he was in favor of developing a future bomber, but it should not just be a copy of the serving US Northrop B-2 and should employ hypersonic technology. In May, he called on Russia's defense industry to develop hypersonic air-breathing weapons as a future strike system. He cited American development work in the X-51, Falcon, HiFire and HyFly hypersonic programs as examples of what he described as the perspective threat posed by U.S. hypersonic development work. Some aerospace analysts RIA Novosti has previously spoken to say Rogozin's comments are more likely to be relevant to a future air-launched missile, rather than the bomber that launches it.
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Mar 16 Avr 2013 - 12:14 | |
| Concept art design (based on the T-4MS ) _________________ ."قال الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم : "أيما امرأة استعطرت فمرّت بقوم ليجدوا ريحها فهي زانية
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Mer 10 Juil 2013 - 11:58 | |
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Development of a new Russian bomber will start in 2014
Development of complex long-term aviation aircraft (PAK DA), which will replace the strategic bombers Tu-95MS and Tu-160, will begin in 2014. On this, as reported by "Interfax" , said the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Army General Valery Gerasimov. Other details about the project general did not disclose.
The project is prospective bomber was approved in early March 2013. It was reported that the variants of the new aircraft offer several design offices, but the Main Command of the Russian Air Force chose the project Tupolev Design Bureau, who proposed a military subsonic aircraft with extensive use of stealth technology.
It is expected that the forward-looking strategic bomber will be built on a "flying wing". "Tupolev" will finish the work on the tactical and technical characteristics of the PAK DA until the end of 2013 and in early 2014 the Ministry of Defense of Russia will present a calculation of the budget of research works on the project. According to current plans, the mass production of bombers to begin in 2020.
The profile of the PAK DA was completed in mid-2012. Previously, it was also reported that the prospective bomber will not be a deep modernization of the Tu-160, and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin called on not to create a "copy B-2", U.S. strategic aircraft.
L'un des modéles tester à Institut central d'aérohydrodynamique dont les résultats seront utilisés pour le PAK-DA : http://telegrafist.org/2013/06/04/61908/ _________________ ."قال الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم : "أيما امرأة استعطرت فمرّت بقوم ليجدوا ريحها فهي زانية
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Lun 10 Nov 2014 - 22:28 | |
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Passed the first engine test bench for PAK DA
United Engine Corporation (UEC) of SC Rostec successfully conducted its first prototype engine bench tests for prospective long-range aviation complex (PAK DA). This sample is planned testing of the parameters corresponding to a given flight characteristics of the object, the press service of the DCS
As part of the program to create the engine for the PAK DA specialists of JSC "Kuznetsov" reconstruction of the test stand for experimental techniques: Submitted complex construction and engineering, provide the connection to the stand of the new measurement system, updated control room equipment for testers. Thereafter, the prototype motor has been assembled and mounted on the stand.
In the course of the tests showed the product characteristics, close to what is required. Currently, development work on this subject continues.
"The first successful launch of the pilot product for enterprise staff is a significant point, because there is the successful implementation of the R & D achievements in the actual production," - said the executive director of "Kuznetsov" Nicholas Jakushin.
It is planned that the first flight of the PAK DA will be held in 2019
http://vpk-news.ru/ _________________ ."قال الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم : "أيما امرأة استعطرت فمرّت بقوم ليجدوا ريحها فهي زانية
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Mar 26 Mai 2020 - 19:53 | |
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- Russia begins construction of the first PAK DA strategic bomber
May 2020 news defense aviation aerospace air force industry
Posted On Tuesday, 26 May 2020 09:57
Russia has commenced construction of its first strategic stealth bomber within the Perspective Aviation Complex for Long-Range Aviation (PAK DA) program, also known as "Product 80" and "Courier", a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.
Russia begins construction of the first PAK DA strategic bomberThe plane will be subsonic, and will be able to carry current and future cruise missiles, precision bombs and hypersonic weapons (Picture source: YouTube / Russian Aerospace Forces and Navy )
"The production of airframe elements will be handled by one of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC)’s plants; development of working design documentation is complete, material shipping has commenced," the source said.
Another source told TASS that construction of the plane’s cockpit is already underway.
"The final assembly of the entire machine should be complete in 2021," he noted.
The Tupolev Design Bureau’s press service refrained from commenting on construction of the first PAK DA.
In December 2019, Deputy Minister of Defense Alexey Krivoruchko told the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper that the draft project of the plane had been approved and that the Tupolev Design Bureau began development of the working design documentation, began creation of parts and elements of the test PAK DA units. In February 2020, Krivoruchko announced that the first engine for the plane will begin stand trials this year. The new plane
It is known that the PAK DA is designed using the flying wing scheme. The machine will feature technologies and materials that reduce its radar visibility (stealth technology). The plane will be subsonic, and will be able to carry current and future cruise missiles, precision bombs and hypersonic weapons, it will be provided with the newest communications and jamming equipment.
http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2020/may/6268-russia-begins-construction-of-the-first-pak-da-strategic-bomber.html | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Lun 2 Aoû 2021 - 21:50 | |
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- 02/08/2021
Le démonstrateur du futur bombardier russe prêt en 2023 !
Selon une source dans l'industrie de la construction aéronautique russe relayée par l’agence TASS le futur démonstrateur du bombardier stratégique de nouvelle génération russe PAK DA sera prêt d'ici 2023. En parallèle, le nouveau système d'arme est en cours de développement.
Actuellement, le modèle expérimental est en cours d’assemblage est sera prêt pour 2023. Toujours selon la source, ce dernier pourra voler avec des drones.
La production des éléments de cellule est assurée par l'une des usines de la United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), le développement de la documentation de conception opérationnelle est terminé, l'expédition des matériaux a commencé", la construction du cockpit de l'avion était en cours. Cette année une maquette grandeur nature sera pleinement prête a indiqué une source du ministère de la Défense russe.
Rappel
En décembre 2019, le sous-ministre de la Défense Alexey Krivoruchko a déclaré au journal Krasnaya Zvezda que le projet de projet de l'avion avait été approuvé et que le bureau d'études Tupolev avait commencé à élaborer la documentation de conception opérationnelle, commencé à créer des pièces et des éléments du test PAK DA unités. En février 2020, Krivoruchko a annoncé que le premier moteur de l'avion commencerait ses essais au stand cette année.
Le programme PAK-DA :
Le programme de bombardier stratégique à longue distance (PAK-DA) est destiné à remplacer la gamme de bombardiers actuellement en service, soit les Tu-95MS16, Tu-22M3S6, et partiellement le Tu-160 « BlackJack » qui sera modernisé et dont, un petit nombre continuera sa mission durant encore trente années.
Selon les premières informations le PAK DA sera conçu en utilisant le schéma des ailes volantes. La machine comportera des technologies et des matériaux qui réduisent sa visibilité radar (technologie furtive). L'avion sera subsonique, et pourra transporter des missiles de croisière actuels et futurs, des bombes de précision et des armes hypersoniques, il sera équipé des plus récents équipements de communication et de brouillage. Le programme serait financé à hauteur de 23 trillions de roubles dans le cadre du plan d’armement 2011 - 2020. L’appel d’offres pour le développement du PAK-DA a été lancé fin 2011 en vue de la réalisation d’un premier prototype d’ici 2023 et d’une entrée en service vers 2026-30.
Photo : image possible du futur PAK DA @ UAC
http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2021/08/02/le-demonstrateur-du-futur-bombardier-russe-pret-en-2023%C2%A0-871429.html | |
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| Sujet: Re: PAK DA Jeu 1 Aoû 2024 - 21:17 | |
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- Russia's future PAK DA Poslannik stealth bomber to carry 30 tons of nuclear and hypersonic missiles.
1 Aug, 2024 - 10:58 Defense News Aerospace 2024
On July 31, 2024, detailed information surfaced on Russian social media about the PAK DA "Poslannik," Russia's newest strategic bomber. This aircraft, part of a new generation of military aviation, has encountered various challenges and skepticism during its development. However, recent updates offer a more detailed picture of its technology and strategic capabilities.
The PAK DA Poslannik is designed as a long-range, stealth strategic bomber with a projected range of 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) and a payload capacity of 30 tons, or even 35 tons according to some sources, including both conventional and nuclear weapons, as well as hypersonic missiles. (Picture source: Russian social media)
During a meeting with students at KNITU-KAI named after A.N. Tupolev on June 20, 2024, Konstantin Timofeev, the Managing Director of JSC Tupolev, confirmed the ongoing progress of the PAK DA, though at a slow pace. By late 2023, the PAK DA was ready for ground strength tests, with the first flight initially projected for 2024 now likely postponed to 2025. Serial production is anticipated to begin in 2027.
The PAK DA, an abbreviation for "Promising Aviation Complex for Long-Range Aviation" (Russian: Perspektivnyi aviatsionnyi kompleks dal'ney aviatsii), is described in Russia as a sixth-generation bomber, incorporating technologies such as stealth, internal weapon bays, and supersonic flight capabilities without afterburners. Sixth-generation aircraft are expected to feature laser weapons, network-centric warfare capabilities, and unmanned flight modes. While laser weapons suitable for air combat remain undeveloped, network-centric capabilities are already being utilized in current-generation aircraft. The potential for unmanned operations is also within reach, given advancements in automation and control systems.
Developed by Tupolev for the Long-Range Aviation branch of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the aircraft's development involves several manufacturers, including the Kazan Aircraft Production Association, Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association Plant, and Beriev. Set to complement and eventually replace the aging Tupolev Tu-95 Bear and Tu-160, the PAK DA, also known by its codename "Poslannik" meaning "Envoy," follows the earlier PAK FA, now known as the Su-57 Felon, and the PAK DP, designated as the MiG-41. The PAK DA, referred to as "Poslannik" ("Messenger" or "Envoy"), remains in its prototype stage, unlike its predecessors.
Set to modernize the Russian Air Force, the PAK DA will follow the earlier PAK FA, now known as the Su-57 Felon, and the Su-75 Checkmate. (Picture source: Russian social media)
The project dates back to the late 1990s when requirements for a new strategic bomber were first considered. Formal requirements were issued by the Russian Air Force in December 2007, with financing for the program starting in 2008. By 2013, a subsonic flying wing design emphasizing stealth technology was selected. This design phase was finalized in April 2014, leading to the construction of prototypes at the KAPO plant in Kazan. In 2023, Russia has initiated construction work on a specialized facility for the development and testing of the PAK DA at the Kazan plant, indicating the advanced stage of the project.
The development of the PAK DA has faced significant delays, primarily due to engine issues and resource diversion to the Ukraine conflict. Initially set to be demonstrated in 2023, the plane's readiness has been pushed to 2027. These delays could create a strategic gap for Russia as other superpowers advance on their own stealth bomber programs, such as the Chinese H-20 and the American B-21 Raider.
Despite these setbacks, the development trajectory of the PAK DA suggests a path toward operational readiness. Russian sources report that several prototypes are in production, with the first flight expected between late 2024 and early 2025. In the meantime, Russia has upgraded its Tu-160 "White Swan" bombers to fulfill mission-critical roles, although these are not fifth-generation aircraft.
Russian sources report that several prototypes are in production, with the first flight expected between late 2024 and early 2025. (Picture source: Russian social media)
Known technical specifications for the PAK DA include a maximum take-off weight of 145 tons, a cruising speed of 800 kilometers per hour, and an operational ceiling of up to 20,000 meters. Manned by a crew of four, the PAK DA Poslannik is designed as a long-range, stealth strategic bomber with a projected range of 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) and a payload capacity of 30 tons, or even 35 tons according to some sources, including both conventional and nuclear weapons, as well as hypersonic missiles.
Its armament capabilities include up to 12 Kh-BD cruise missiles with a range of 6,500 kilometers, as well as Kh-555, Kh-101/102, and potentially the Kh-47 Kinzhal and future Kh-95 hypersonic missiles with a range exceeding 5,000 kilometers. Notably, the PAK DA will feature air-to-air missiles, unlike its predecessors, allowing it to operate without the need for accompanying fighter escorts, enhancing its survivability and operational flexibility. Additionally, the bomber is said to possess the capability to engage space-based targets, including satellites, as well as a modular architecture, to accommodate future advancements such as laser weapons.
Engine development for the PAK DA initially considered an analog of the Kuznetsov NK-65 turbofan engine but has settled on the NK32-02, an afterburner engine with a thrust of 24 tons, already in use on the Tu-160M2. (Picture source: Russian social media)
Engine development for the PAK DA initially considered an analog of the Kuznetsov NK-65 turbofan engine but has settled on the NK32-02, an afterburner engine with a thrust of 24 tons, already in use on the Tu-160M2. This decision reflects a pragmatic approach to enable 30-hour nonstop flights while carrying a nuclear payload, withstand temperatures ranging from minus 60°C to plus 50°C, with a service life between 12 and 21 years. Unlike its predecessors, the PAK DA cannot reach supersonic speeds, but its slower speed allows it to carry a larger payload, suggesting that the project prioritizes stealth, endurance, and operational range over speed to align with modern warfare requirements, where avoiding detection is crucial.
The PAK DA's design draws inspiration from the B-2 Spirit, a strategic bomber from the United States, known for its stealth features rather than high speed. Critics argue that Russia is attempting to emulate the design of the U.S. bomber, particularly in the "flying wing" configuration. This design dispenses with traditional aircraft structures such as fuselage, wings, and various elements like stabilization components and flight control, replacing them with complex flight control computers. Therefore, the PAK DA is said to incorporate a low Radar Cross Section (RCS) design, coupled with radar-absorbing materials, allowing it to infiltrate airspace undetected by radar and release its payload before returning to base.
Critics argue that Russia is attempting to emulate the design of the U.S. bomber, particularly in the "flying wing" configuration, as this design dispenses with traditional aircraft structures such as fuselage, wings, and various elements like stabilization components and flight control. (Picture source: Russian social media)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/aerospace-news/2024/russias-future-pak-da-poslannik-stealth-bomber-to-carry-30-tons-of-nuclear-and-hypersonic-missiles | |
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