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Sujet: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Lun 19 Avr 2010 - 1:05
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Are there two views about India, in China? Peking Man’s Zero Sum game? Chindia vs Chinapak? or Beijing Man’s Chimerica? We have two visions for China. In one vision India thinks of China as its biggest threat. The other vision sees China and India working together. Since 1962 Indian politicians have considered China as its biggest threat. A search in google on “China is India’s biggest threat” produces 1.2 million threads. Most recently, China bigger threat than Pakistan, says IAF chief. Dr. Fukkukh Saleem in a sensational article published in The News has tried to highlight the future of Sino-Pak and Sino-Indian relationships (Capital Suggestion). Dr. Saleem bases his case on the views of Dr. Zhao Gancheng and Dr Yang Jiemian two Chinese professors. Dr. Saleem presents the views of Dr. Daojiong, a very pro-American and pro-business Chinese professor as evidence that China is reconsidering its relationship with Pakistan. There is nothing in the writings of either one of these authors that seem to suggest a zero sum game in South Asia. The evidence seems to point to the exact opposite. Earlier this year, the United States’ decision to approve a $ 6.4-billion arms sale to Taiwan sparked a series of agitated commentaries in China’s military journals. The tone will sound somewhat familiar to an Indian audience: it reflected a growing anxiety among strategists that the U.S. was building a “crescent-shaped ring” to encircle and contain China. Interestingly, much of the debate focussed on what role India would — or would not — play in a supposed U.S.-led “encirclement.” Some strategists expressed concern that an eventual “integration of India” into an American alliance “would profoundly affect China’s security,” as the official China Daily reported. Dai Xu, an Air Force Colonel of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), warned that China needed to be vigilant against this growing network running “from Japan to India” that would suffocate China. The Hindu. This much is certain, the subject brings to the forefront one of the most emotional issues for Pakistan. This will be discussed in much detial in Pakistani circles and every nuanceas well as Indian gloaters who think that their long standing dreams have come true. Sino-India relationship and Pakistan Others, however, were not so convinced, and instead sought to calm the tensions. Pei Yuanying, former Chinese Ambassador to India, said India, as “an independent international power in the international arena,” was “unlikely to be part of any such U.S. scheme.” Shen Dingli, one of the leading voices in the strategic community in Beijing, also disagreed with Dai’s views in an interview with The Hindu, suggesting that the current relationship was sound enough for China to have no reason to worry about India’s ties with the U.S. These differing views point to an ongoing debate in Beijing on a question that many policymakers are grappling with: how should China engage with a rising India? On one side of the debate are voices from the PLA, who are pressing Beijing to take a harder line with India and who see little room for cooperation between two rivals. On the other are voices in the Hu Jintao government and official think tanks, which are pushing for a more moderate and non-confrontational foreign policy line, one which they see as crucial to China’s own self-interest and continued development. The Hindu. It is not about Dollars and Cents only, it is about the Chinese Century. Paragh Khanna writes about it eloquently in The 2nd World. “Waving Goodbye to Hegemony” By Parag Khanna: Dawn of a multipolar world with China and Europe andmaybe Russia. China has achieved technological independence, and is now moving beyond simple fighter aircraft and NASA propaganda toy rockets. It has “taken over” Africa and recently signed huge deals with Venezuela and Brazil. Pakistan is part of the String of Pearl Strategyin which Gwader-Sri-Lanka-Thailand-Burma are essential links. What China wants is to convert Asian oceans into Chinese lakes (String of Pearls strategy makes it an ” ‘Asian’ Ocean”–a Chinese Lake). Pakistan and Sri Lanka are key links in this venture. The military view The appearance of a number of articles and commentaries last year in military journals and official Communist Party-run newspapers has led some to suggest that the first group is increasingly beginning to have its voice heard. In recent months, articles in influential publications like the People’s Daily, have taken a noticeably harder line on India, accusing New Delhi of “arrogance” and calling on China to take a stronger position on the border dispute. The People’s Daily, in particular, has also begun to devote extensive coverage to India’s military build-up, frequently speaking of an “India threat.” The articles more or less reflected the “PLA view” of Sino-Indian ties, according to Srikanth Kondapalli, a professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University who studies the Chinese military. According to him and other analysts, this view is predicated on three basic policy positions on India. The first assumes that India is seeking to become a great power. The policy response is to support Pakistan, which China continues to do, and confine India’s influence to South Asia. The second, he says, assumes that India has “hegemonic ambitions in South Asia” — a phrase often used by the People’s Daily last year. The policy response in China is to “oppose hegemony” by supporting smaller states in South Asia, like Nepal and Bangladesh. The third is on India’s presence in the Indian Ocean, and the policy response is to strengthen China’s naval capabilities. The Hindu. The Peking Man is dead (the 500,000-year old fossil evidence of human presence in China , has transformed). Those talking about “Peking” are stuck in a time warp from the 60s. There is no city in China spelled as “Peking”. The “Beijing Man” cannot forget Indian intervention in Tibet. India tried to make trouble for the Chinese right before the Olympics andis competing withChina in Africa for Oil well. India defines Tibet as half of China. If Nehru’s plans had succeeded in 1947, China would have been broken up into many parts. The resolution of the border dispute with Pakistan save China as a national unit. India also has a huge border dispute on the McMohan Line and in Kashmir. Aksai Chin is a huge issue for India because it is China’s the only land link to Tibet. China recently poured water on the Indo-Chinese detente when it claimed that Arunchal Pradeh was Chinese territory. The claim was so seriously pursued that an Indian athlete from Arunchal Pradeh was not allowed entry into China. China alo has been instigating issues in Sikkim, Bhutan and Nepal. Depite the removal of the Maoist PM, the new government in Khatmandu is openly Pro-Chinese. Between the Devil & the Deep Sea–India’s vulnerability in the Malacca Straits & the Arabian Sea The other view Much as the PLA is influential, its view by no means reflects a consensus opinion among the highest policymakers. Besides the PLA, there are at least three groups which have a role in shaping China’s India policy, including commercial lobbies, retired officials and a select group of India scholars in official think tanks. This section tends to view the relationship beyond the narrow military paradigm of the PLA. It argues that despite the persisting mistrust between the countries, it is in China’s own interest, both from the point of view of sustaining its economic development and its standing as a responsible world power, to have harmonious relations with India and a peaceful periphery. “Many people in the Chinese government realise that despite historical differences, there are growing commonalities in relations between the two countries and their positions on international issues,” says Ma Jiali, a leading South Asia scholar at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations (CICIR), who advises the government on its India policy. “There is also the common goal that both countries do not want to see a unipolar world.” He considers “four roles” India plays in shaping his policy view — “a close neighbour, a developing country with common goals, a rising power and an increasingly important international player.” “The basic fact is,” he continues, “we must have good relations with India, or our national interest will be damaged.” His view is echoed by Sun Shihai, another influential ‘India hand’ at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. He says he “completely disagrees” with the policy views voiced by the nationalistic commentaries in much of the official media last year. “Many of those reports misperceived India very deeply,” says Professor Sun. “Among most scholars at least, there is a growing awareness that India’s power is rising, its international status is rising, and these facts are a reality that cannot be altered.” He believes that it is in China’s self-interest to work with India on issues in which the countries have a common stake such as climate change and combating terrorism. “China has more respect [now] for India’s rise, and it is in our interest to co-operate where we can, as we did so effectively last year at Copenhagen [on climate change],” he says. “But as two rising powers with growing international roles and strategic weight, cooperation and competition will be natural. What the governments need to do is manage the competition and avoid conflict. Most serious scholars are of this view.” The Hindu. The Chinese version of “speak softly and carry a big stick” was enunciated by the realist Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping “Observe calmly; secure our position; cope with affairs calmly; hide our capacities and bide our time; be good at maintaining a low profile; and never claim leadership.” Beijing has been silently building a big stick for the past six decades. The Chinese see the Hillary Clinton trip for what it is–begging Beijing to continue to purchase US Treasury bonds. India feels the pain: The US begs Beijing for money China has grown to be a new heavyweight player and stepped into the limelight on the world stage. And its role in salvaging the plummeting world economy from hitting bottom looms large and active, as the U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said during her just wrapped-up Asian tour, ‘the U.S. appreciates the continued Chinese confidence in the U.S treasuries.’ If the Cold War was ‘a tug of war’ between East and West, and a showcase of hard power, what we have today, for the first time in history, is a global, multicivilizational and multipolar competition, and a display of smart power. To be the winner, one has to seek more cooperation rather than confrontation.By Li Hongmei People’s Daily Online Reading the debate Do these different views matter to India? Chinese foreign policy is ultimately decided at the highest levels of the ruling Communist Party’s Central Committee using these various inputs. But how these inputs get used is “an extremely complicated process,” says Prof. Kondapalli. “Various groups put out their agenda to try and have their opinions heard, but what is eventually decided depends on who has greater influence at a given moment in time.” For now though, the outcome of this debate still seems uncertain. “The academic community appears to follow a soft and co-operative line while the PLA maintains its stridency to keep India on tenterhooks,” says Brigadier (retd.) Arun Sahgal of the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, New Delhi. Until there is greater clarity on its outcome, the mistrust between the countries will likely persist. For usually, it is only the harder “PLA view” of India that gets covered in the media, serving as fodder for the often over-hyped ‘China threat’ perspectives dished out by strategic analysts. Part of the reason, no doubt, is that these views are more “newsworthy” than balanced views from the government and other scholars. But another factor behind misperceptions is the continuing opacity in China’s own government, in both policy-making and the state’s control of the media. “The main problem in understanding China’s policies is the lack of transparency, which often leads to misperceptions” Prof. Kondapalli says. Consequently, even extreme opinions, from any media outlet, often tend to be regarded as Beijing’s official line, and drown out other views even if they are no more than voices in an ongoing debate. And until China becomes more transparent, analysts say, external observers will likely continue to imagine the worst when reading the tea leaves. The Hindu. ANANTH KRISHNAN. Behind China’s India policy, a growing debate The Maoists in Nepal are linked to the Maoist/Naxalites in India. The Indian Naxalite control 40% of th e land mass of India. The same old, same old Indian dream (and banya thinking) that the Hindi-Chini bhai bhai will be revived is not in the cards. It is now an Indian nightmare. The Chinese are aggressively taking a foothold in Sri Lanka, much to the chagrin of India. China is supporting the TAPC and TAPC pipeline, and selling 150-500 JFThunder to Pakistan (some for re-export). China is developing J-10B with Pakistani help. China does not have access to Western technology while Pakistan does. China is helping Pakitan build two new shipyards, a brand spanking new Electronic Manufacturing Complex (similar to Heavy Mechanical Coplex), Submarines and Frigates. Chasnupp 3 and 4 are in the works and Chasnupp 5 and Chasnupp 6 are in the Pipeline. China recently started patrolling the Somalian Coast and will surely need berthing facilities in Gwader. Chinese and Pakistanis helped Lanka defeat the Indian trained and sponsored LTTE. One of the major events of this syear is the invitation of Sri Lanka as an observer to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). It remains to be seen if Iran will invited a a full member. The Iran-Indian relationhips has been sacrificed on the alter of the Indian love affair with Israel. India launched an Iran-specific satellite for Israel and stabbed Iran in the back at the IAEA. Both events and the Israeli influence in India doesn’t bode well for Iranian-Indian relations. The seduction of Iran by the USA has been initiated by the Neocon ‘ Neocon and Builderberger Mr. Fareed Zakaria. He covers Iran in this weeks Newsweek magazine and portrays a softer image of the Ayutullahs and even Ahmedinijad. Another seminal event is Russian Gozprom’s recent bid to build the Iran-Pakistan pipeline to be extended to China. Iran andPakistan signed the gas deal with Russian sponsorship, Chinese support and US chagrin.This pipeline sums up the new geotrategic realities of South and West Asia. Keywords: India, China, Indo-China ties, External Affairs Minister, S.M. Krishna, People’s Liberation Army, debate
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Ven 12 Nov 2010 - 22:29
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India rattles sabre ahead of Chinese talks By James Lamont in Calcutta
Published: November 11 2010 17:34 | Last updated: November 11 2010 17:34
India has formed a military battalion named after the state of Arunachal Pradesh, also claimed by China, only days before talks between the two countries aimed at settling border disputes.
The Arunachal Scouts was raised formally in Shillong, the Assamese garrison city, this week to defend the north-eastern state, which borders China. .
The battalion will have about 5,000 troops, drawn from local people and trained for the Himalayan environment and combat above an altitude of 1,500 feet. Its formation is part of a reinforcement of the state’s defences, which also include the modernisation of airfields and road infrastructure
The development comes days before officials from India and China meet in New Delhi for the 14th round of talks to settle a border dispute in which China claims Arunachal Pradesh as south Tibet. At the end of October, Wen Jiabao, China’s premier, and Manmohan Singh, his Indian counterpart, agreed to reinvigorate efforts to resolve disagreement over the colonial-era McMahon Line before Mr Wen’s visit to New Delhi next month.
China inflicted a humiliating defeat on India in a war over the territory in 1962. Of late, Indian officials have become rattled by China’s growing influence in the region in countries such as Burma, Pakistan and Sri Lanka and what they describe as Beijing’s “assertiveness” in its territorial claims.
Dorjee Khandu, chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh, said the battalion would reflect the “martial strength” of the north-east region, which already numbers regiments including the Assam Rifles, Gorkha Rifles and Naga Regiment. It would have particular strengths in adverse, often freezing, conditions and mountain warfare.
The formation of the battalion, he said, would create “one of the strongest, cohesive, disciplined and operationally proficient battalions of the Indian army”.
India’s armed forces are strengthening their presence speedily in Arunachal Pradesh, an area long starved of economic development and infrastructure.
P.V. Naik, head of India’s air force, said the region’s infrastructure was being overhauled to support modern weaponry.
“We are going for composite upgrading of capabilities in the north-east . . . ,” the air chief marshal said. “Eight advance landing grounds are being upgraded and there are five to six major airfields where infrastructure will be improved to enable them to receive more modern aircraft.”
The infrastructure investment coincides with the selection of 126 jet fighters in a deal worth about $11bn. One potential supplier said India was looking for aircraft that could perform longer-distance sorties over the Himalayan region than had been required to protect India from Pakistan, its traditional rival.
Indian officials said they had discussed their concerns about China with Barack Obama, US president, on his visit to New Delhi. They said the discussions were held in the light of the recent dispute between Beijing and Tokyo over territory in the South China Sea and Beijing’s readiness to use economic sanctions and high-level diplomatic embarrassment.
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Ven 29 Mai 2020 - 18:44
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Dans un face-à-face tendu, les forces chinoises et indiennes renforcent leurs positions dans l’Himalaya
par Laurent Lagneau · 29 mai 2020
Politique du fait accompli en mer de Chine méridionale, vues sur l’archipel japonais Senkaku, menaces visant Taïwan avec de possibles exercices impliquant ses deux porte-avions prévus en août dans les environs des îles Pratas, reprise en main de Hong Kong malgré la promesse de ne pas toucher au système politique et judiciaire pendant 50 ans de ce territoire que le Royaume-Uni lui a rétrocédé en 1997… Pékin fait feu de tout bois alors que la crise provoquée par l’épidémie de Covid-19 n’est pas encore terminée.
À cette liste, il faut aussi ajouter les tensions avec New Delhi, qui vont crescendo depuis quelques semaines, sur fond de disputes territoriales le long de la frontière séparant l’Inde et la Chine, appelée « Ligne de contrôle actuelle » [LAC, ou encore « Ligne Mac Mahon].
Outre les différents territoriaux, qui donnèrent lieu à un bref conflit pour le contrôle des territoires himalayens, en 1962, New Delhi s’inquiète du projet chinois de détourner les eaux du fleuve « Yarlung Zangbo » qui, prenant sa source au Tibet, traverse la partie orientale de l’Inde, sous le nom de « Brahmapoutre ».
À Pékin, on prend ombrage de la construction, par l’Inde, de la route « Darbuk-Shyok-DBO », qui relie Leh, la capitale du Ladakh, Daulat Beg Oldi [DBO], près de la frontière chinoise. Devant être pratiquable en permanence, cet axe doit notamment faciliter la circulation des troupes indiennes le long de la Ligne de contrôle actuelle.
Deux secteurs sont particulièrement concernés par ces disputes territoriales. Revendiqué par le Chine et le Bouthan, le plateau du Doklam en fait partie. Ce territoire est stratégique pour l’Inde car situé à quelques encablures du corridor de Siliguri [surnommé le « cou de poulet »], lequel relie les plaines du nord et les États indiens du nord-Est. En 2017, la construction, par la Chine, d’une route dans cette zone, non loin de l’État indien du Sikkim, avait donné lieu à des tensions, récemment ravivées par une nouvelle « bagarre » à coups de bâton entre soldats chinois et indiens, le 10 mai dernier.
L’autre secteur concerné est le celui du Ladakh, dans le nord de l’Inde, qui fait face à la préfecture de Ngari, située dans la région autonome chinoise du Xizang [Tibet]. Or, selon des sources sécuritaires indiennes, le 5 mai, environ 250 soldats chinois auraient fait une incursion dans cette région, précisément dans la région du lac Pangong Tso, ce qui aurait entraîné une bagarre avec leurs homologues indiens, réglée, là encore, à coups de bâton.
Or, la Chine revendique une partie du Ladakh. Et elle avait protesté quand, en 2019, New Delhi avait décidé d’en faire un « territoire de l’Union », c’est à dire relevant directement de l’autorité du gouvernement central indien.
Cité par RFI, Harsh Pant, directeur de recherche à l’Observer research foundation de New Delhi, voit dans ses incidents un avertissement « politique » de la part de Pékin.
« L’Inde a changé sa politique envers la Chine depuis la crise du coronavirus. Elle a ainsi soutenu la demande d’enquête sur les origines du virus et deux députés indiens ont assisté à la prestation de serment du président taïwanais, ce qui est inédit. La perception est que la Chine refuse d’apprécier les sensibilités de l’Inde par rapport au Pakistan, alors pourquoi l’Inde ferait de même avec Taïwan? Taïwan pourrait donc devenir un nouvel instrument de la politique étrangère indienne », a en effet expliqué M. Pant.
Cependant, c’est surtout la construction de la route « Darbuk-Shyok-DBO » qui est pointée du doigt par Pékin, qui l’estime « illégale ».
« L’Inde a construit illégalement des installations de défense de l’autre côté de la frontière […] dans la région de la vallée de Galwan, ne laissant aux troupes de défense des frontières chinoises aucune autre option que de prendre les mesures nécessaires pour y répondre », a fait valoir Long Xingchun, un chercheur de l’Université des études internationales de Pékin, cité par le quotidien Global Times, qui défend la ligne du Parti communiste chinois.
Aussi, la Chine ne cesse de renforcer ses positions militaires près de la Ligne de contrôle actuelle depuis plusieurs semaines déjà. L’imagerie satellitaire montre en effet que, depuis deux mois, Pékin a entrepris de développer les infrastructures militaires de l’aéroport de Ngari-Gunsa, situé à un battement d’ailes de la frontière avec l’Inde. Au moins quatre avions de combat J-11 et J-16 [dérivés respectivement des Su-27 et Su-30 russes] y ont été repérés.
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Base apron revisit in hi-res shows the detachment of #China PLAAF Flankers on site May 2020 (first seen in DEC 2019) pic.twitter.com/H6zIXmGIDr
— d-atis (@detresfa_) May 26, 2020
De même qu’un camp de l’Armée populaire de libération [APL] a été repéré dans les environs de la vallée de Galwann. Toujours selon l’imagerie satellitaire, la Chine y aurait déployé d’importants moyens d’artillerie ainsi que des chars et de l’infanterie mécanisée.
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Possible explanation of why #China PLA camps near the #Hotsprings area across the #India base in #Gogra have seen recent activity part of the #IndiaChinaFaceOff, open source cartography shows a #chinese claim of more than 2Kms extending beyond the current line of actual control pic.twitter.com/CGLlqZTtTu
— d-atis (@detresfa_) May 28, 2020
De son côté, l’Inde en fait autant. « L’armée indienne a envoyé des troupes et des armes supplémentaires dans l’est du Ladakh, dans le cadre de sa stratégie visant à repousser avec fermeté le comportement militaire agressif de la Chine », a ainsi écrit le quotidien Times of India, le 28 mai.
Deux jours plus tôt, le Premier ministre indien, Narendra Modi, avait tenu une réunion avec son conseiller à la sécurité nationale, Ajit Doval, et le chef d’état-major de la défense indienne afin de discuter du « renforcement et de la préparation militaire de l’Inde afin de faire face aux défis de sécurité extérieure. »
Cela étant, Pékin a donné le sentiment de vouloir calmer le jeu. « À l’heure actuelle, la situation le long de la frontière entre la Chine et l’Inde est généralement stable et sous contrôle. […] La Chine est déterminée à sauvegarder la sécurité de sa souveraineté territoriale nationale, ainsi qu’à sauvegarder la paix et la stabilité dans les zones frontalières sino-indiennes », a assuré le ministère chinois des Affaires étrangères.
Alors que le président américain, Donald Trump, a proposé sa « médiation », New Delhi a adopté similaire. « Nous sommes engagés avec la Chine à résoudre cette question de manière pacifique. L’Inde s’est engagée à maintenir la paix et la tranquillité dans les zones frontalières avec la Chine […] En même temps, nous restons fermement résolus à assurer la souveraineté et la sécurité nationale indiennes », a déclaré Anurag Srivastava, le porte-parole de la diplomatie indienne.
Pour rappel, la Chine et l’Inde sont deux puissances dotées de l’arme nucléaire. La doctrine officielle chinoise met l’accent sur le non-usage en premier, même si le pays était attaqué avec des armes conventionnelles. S’agissant de la doctrine indienne, elle fait l’objet d’une réflexion à New Delhi, comme l’a expliqué Bruno Tertrais, de la Fondation pour la recherche stratégique [FRS], en 2017.
Cette réflexion « confirme la tentation indienne d’avoir deux modes d’expression de la doctrine – l’un pour le Pakistan et l’autre pour la Chine – étant entendu que même si le non-emploi en premier restait théoriquement en vigueur pour la dissuasion vis-à-vis de Pékin, les interrogations d’ordre éthique [‘une démocratie doit-elle attendre d’être détruire pour frapper son adversaire?’] entendues depuis longtemps à Delhi sur le sujet demeureraient », a ainsi rapporté M. Tertrais.
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Mar 16 Juin 2020 - 19:05
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Un officier et deux soldats indiens tués lors d’une « confrontation violente » avec l’armée chinoise
par Laurent Lagneau · 16 juin 2020
Depuis maintenant quelques temps, la tension ne cesse d’aller crescendo entre l’Inde et la Chine, en raison de leurs désaccords concernant le tracé de la Ligne de contrôle actuelle [LAC], c’est à dire leur frontière commune. Tout a commencé le 5 mai. Ce jour-là, selon New Delhi, environ 250 soldats chinois auraient fait une incursion en territoire indien, précisément dans la région du Ladakh. L’affaire s’était soldée par une bagarre à coups de bâton…
Seulement, les choses n’en sont pas restées là. Ces dernières semaines, l’Armée populaire de libération [APL] a organisé plusieurs exercices constituant autant de messages adressés aux forces indiennes pendant que la presse chinoise enchaîne les articles sur les nouvelles armes susceptibles d’être utilisées en cas de conflit dans la région. Qui plus est, et c’est un sujet de préoccupation pour l’Inde, elle en aurait profité pour accroître ses effectifs militaires à proximité des zones contestées. Ce qui a motivé, côté indien, l’envoi de renforts.
Cela étant, un dialogue entre les deux parties, au niveau militaire, est en cours. Sans résultats pour le moment… Et on peut doter qu’il puisse en produire dans les jours qui viennent après le sérieux incident qui vient d’opposer des soldats indiens et chinois.
En effet, ce 16 juin, la Chine a accusé des troupes indiennes « d’avoir violé, le 15 juin, le consensus bilatéral et franchi la frontière à deux reprises, avant de se livrer à des activités illégales et de provoquer et d’attaquer des soldats chinois, avec pour résultat une grave confrontation physique. »
L’Inde a confirmé l’incident [sans pour autant admettre sa responsabilité] en parlant d’une « confrontation violente » avec l’armée chinoise au Ladakh.
« Durant le processus de désescalade en cours dans la vallée de Galwan, une confrontation violente s’est produite la nuit dernière et a fait des victimes des deux côtés. Les pertes de vie du côté indien comptent un officier et deux soldats », a indiqué l’armée indienne, via un communiqué.
Le quotidien Indian Today a précisé que l’officier tué lors de cette confrontation était un colonel. A priori, aucun échange de tirs n’a eu lieu, les troupes en présence s’étant affrontées, une fois encore, à coups de bâtons et de pierres.
« Des militaires de haut rang des responsables des deux parties se réunissent actuellement sur les lieux pour désamorcer la situation », a aussi fait savoir l’armée indienne.
Le porte-parole du ministère chinois, Zhao Lijia, a également affirmé que « la Chine et l’Inde sont d’accord pour continuer à résoudre les problèmes bilatéraux par le dialogue et la consultation. » Toutefois, a-t-il poursuivi, « nous appelons une nouvelle fois l’Inde […] à maîtriser ses troupes frontalières. » Et d’insister : « Ne franchissez pas la frontière, ne provoquez pas de troubles. »
Le dernier incident meurtrier entre l’Inde et la Chine [avant celui du 15 juin, ndlr] remonte à 1975. Cette année-là, quatre militaires indiens avaient été tués par des tirs dans l’Arunachal Pradesh.
D’après India Today, le ministre indien de la Défense, Rajnath Sing, a réuni les principaux chefs militaires pour « discuter des récents développements dans l’est du Ladakh. »
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Mer 17 Juin 2020 - 22:27
on aperçoit le MBT2000 et le PL9 durant les manœuvres chinoises sur les lieux du conflit
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Ven 26 Juin 2020 - 20:22
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India deploys 36,000 troops to contested Himalayan border
By Colton Jones Jun 26, 2020
India has deployed more than 36,000 troops along a disputed Himalayan border, according to local sources.
Indian troops and weapons were moved after the Chinese army has deployed in large numbers to around 30 km south-east from the important airstrip of Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO).
It is noted that three Indian infantry divisions were deployed to the border with China. In addition, main battle tanks and artillery were deployed at the border, and Indian Air Force fighter jets regularly patrol the territory.
Not just the army, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) is also shoring up its posts with men and material.
The decision to induct more ITBP companies to support the army was taken on Saturday after Lt General Paramjit Singh, the Director General Military Operations, and ITBP chief SS Deswal visited Leh.
“We sent some troops to Ladakh before the incident and now we are enhancing the numbers,” a senior government official said.
Indian officials also stressed that China is concentrating massive troops at their contested Himalayan border.
“At the heart of the matter is that since early May, the Chinese side had been amassing a large contingent of troops and armaments along the LAC,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said in a briefing in New Delhi on Thursday, referring to the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border between the Asian nuclear powers.
Srivastava said “this is not in accordance with the provisions of our various bilateral agreements,” referring to treaties that include a 1993 one that dictates that both sides will maintain limited border deployments.
Responding to the heightened Chinese presence last month, India also deployed a large number of troops along the LAC, Srivastava said, leading to face-offs in the Ladakh region of the western Himalayas.
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Chinese, Indian Armies Begin troop withdrawal from Galwan Valley Flash-points 08:35 AM, July 6, 2020
Satellite images indicating construction activity at Ngari Gunsa airport (image: detresfa_)
After more than two months of locking horns at Sino-Indian border, the Chinese military appear to be retreating.
"Chinese Army removing tents, moving back from certain areas of Galwan Valley, in first sign of disengagement of troops from area, govt sources say in Delhi," Press Trust of India (PTI) tweeted Monday.
The development follows a conversation between the Special Representatives of India and China on the Boundary Question - Ajit Doval, National Security Advisor of India and H.E. Mr. Wang Yi, State Councilor and Minister of Foreign Affairs of China had a telephone conversation on 5th July 2020.
Media reports said the two sides agreed to move back two kilometers and remove heavy weapons from the area.
Senior military leadership of India and China has held several rounds of talks since the Galwan valley incident to de-escalete the situation.
In addition, India has commenced exerting pressure on China by banning the use of Chinese origin mobile apps and canceling or putting on hold several high value contracts earlier awarded to Chinese companies.
Top official sources told IANS that both sides retreated 2km simultaneously on Sunday. "Four kilometres no-man zone in the highly mountainous terrain like Galwan valley deprives both sides to see each other''s installations and reinforcements," sources said.
The two sides have also reportedly agreed to not conduct aerial surveillance of the retreated area.
Satellite images had shown "massive" construction activity on the Chinese side of the border in the last few months. Aside of military establishments, fighter jets including J-11s and J-16s, towed artillery, 'at least' 16 military tanks, gun emplacements and other equipment near the LAC.
New Delhi had reportedly deployed new AH-64E Apache gunships, Su-30MKI, MiG-29UPG, Mirage 2000 and Jaguar jets, besides Mi-17V5 medium-lift and CH-47 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters in the region as tensions with Beijing hit a new low after a fatal clash between troops of both countries around mid-June.
Later that month, Chinese Army intensified military exercises including high-altitude tank drills and night-time parachute infiltration in Tibet bordering India’s Ladakh region.
An Indian Ministry of External Affairs statement today said on the conversation between the two Special Representatives:
The two Special Representatives agreed that it was necessary to ensure at the earliest complete disengagement of the troops along the LAC and de-escalation from India-China border areas for full restoration of peace and tranquility.
In this regard they further agreed that both sides should complete the ongoing disengagement process along the LAC expeditiously. The two sides should also ensure a phased and stepwise de-escalation in the India-China border areas.
They re-affirmed that both sides should strictly respect and observe the line of actual control and should not take any unilateral action to alter the status quo and work together to avoid any incident in the future that could disturb peace and tranquility in border areas.
The two Special Representatives agreed that the diplomatic and military officials of the two sides should continue their discussions, including under the framework of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China border affairs (WMCC), and implement the understandings reached in a timely manner to achieve the above outcomes.
It was also agreed that the two Special Representatives will continue their conversations to ensure full and enduring restoration of peace and tranquility in the India-China border areas in accordance with the bilateral agreements and protocols
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Entre celui qui prend ses douches sous l urine des vaches, ou le responsable du covid 19(Qwd19) celà risque de finir en cannibalisme vu le nombre d'habitants en plus de la menace nucléaire pakistanais, l'Inde doit être dans un état..
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L’Inde dénonce de nouvelles « provocations » de l’armée chinoise dans la région frontalière du Ladakh
par Laurent Lagneau · 31 août 2020
« Tout ce que dit la Chine désormais ne peut être pris pour argent comptant. Espérons que l’Inde a retenu la leçon maintenant », avait prévenu Harsh Pant, analyste à l’Observer Research Foundation, après un violent accrochage entre les forces indiennes et chinoises ayant eu lieu le 15 juin, dans la vallée de Galwan [région du Ladakh], objet d’un vieux contentieux frontalier entre Pékin et New Delhi.
Cet incident, qui a fait une vingtaine de tués côté indien [la Chine n’a jamais donné de bilan], s’était produit au Point de patrouille 14, où l’Armée populaire de libération [APL] était censée avoir démantelé le camp qu’il y avait établi, conformément à un accord précédemment négocié entre les deux partis afin de réduire des tensions qui ne cessaient alors d’aller crescendo depuis plusieurs semaines.
Cela étant, de nouvelles négociations entre les autorités militaires indiennes et chinoises permirent de calmer la situation après cet accrochage. Pour autant, Pékin n’a depuis visiblement pas renoncer à renforcer ses positions militaires le long de la Ligne de contrôle effectif [LAC], c’est à dire sa frontière avec l’Inde.
Outre la région du Ladakh, le plateau du Doklam [également revendiqué par le Bouthan, ndlr] est un autre sujet de contentieux entre la Chine et l’Inde. Pour New Delhi, ce territoire est stratégique, étant donné qu’il n’est situé qu’à quelques kilomètres du corridor de Siliguri, qui fait la jonction entre les plaines du nord et les États indiens du nord-est.
Or, selon l’imagerie satellitaire, Pékin y a construit une importante installation abritant des moyens de défense aérienne ainsi qu’un héliport. Et cela, à seulement 50 km d’un secteur où les forces indiennes et chinoises eurent un face à face tendu en 2017. Un autre site dédié à la défense aérienne aurait aussi vu le jour dans le secteur de Kailash-Mansarovar, à un centaine de kilomètres de l’État indien d’Uttarakhand.
Les constructions chinoises le long de la LAC comprennent « de nouvelles bases aériennes ou des extensions de bases aériennes, ainsi que nouvelles positions de défense aérienne. […] Elles s’inscrivent dans une stratégie plus large, similaire au développement des infrastructures chinoises en mer de Chine méridionale. […] Cela suggère que Pékin envisage de poursuivre plus agressivement ses revendications territoriales le long de sa frontière occidentale », a résumé Sim Tack, analyste chez Strafor, dans les colonnes du quotidien The Print.
Quoi qu’il en soit, c’est à nouveau dans la région du Ladakh, et précisément sur la rive sud du Lac de Pangong Tso, que des mouvements de troupes chinoises ont été dénoncés, ce 31 août, par New Delhi.
Sans préciser s’il y avait eu ou non des incidents, le ministère indien de la Défense a en effet affirmé que, dans la nuit du 29 au 30 août, l’APL avait « effectué des mouvements militaires provocateurs pour changer le statu quo » à la frontière, l’accusant d’avoir « enfreint le consensus » auquel les deux parties étaient parvenues pour apaiser la situation le long de LAC.
Et d’ajouter : « Les militaires indiens ont anticipé ces activités de l’APL sur la rive sud du Lac de Pangong Tso, ont pris des mesures pour renforcer nos positions et déjouer les intentions de la Chine de changer unilatéralement la situation sur le terrain. »
De son côté, Pékin a nié les accusations indiennes. « Les troupes frontalières chinoises ont toujours respecté la ligne de contrôle effectif, qu’elles n’ont jamais franchi. Les troupes frontalières des deux pays ont maintenu les communications sur la ligne de contrôle », a assuré Zhao Lijian, le porte-parole de la diplomatie chinoise.
Par ailleurs, selon des responsables indiens, cités par l’agence ANI, l’APL aurait également déployé des avions dits de 5e génération J-20 sur la base aérienne de Hotan, d’où ils décollent pour « voler à proximité du territoire indien, prés du Ladakh et des secteurs adjacents ». Pourtant, le chasseur-bombardier chinois est censé être furtif…
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Sujet: Re: Chine Vs Inde : la guerre des empires Mar 11 Mai 2021 - 17:57
The EurAsian Times a écrit:
China Deploys Lethal MLRS Rocket System Near LAC Amid Renewed Tensions With India
Amid renewed India-China border tensions, the Chinese PLA has deployed a new MLRS rocket system — most likely in the Tibet region — which is capable of destroying a large area within a few seconds.
PHL-03 300 mm long-range rocket
There are speculations that the Indian Army may have similar weapons in its arsenal.
China’s state-owned Global Times reported on May 10 that an unidentified unit attached to PLA’s Xinjiang Military Command has deployed a new MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System) in a “high-altitude plateau”.
The PLA has replaced its outdated artillery with 10 new PHL-03 long-range rocket systems. This new MLRS is stated to be a novel variant whose rockets feature a guidance system, providing highly accurate targeting in complex terrains.
Chinese experts have indicated that these systems are deployed against India, saying that PLA is poised to protect its integrity after India “purposefully tried to change status quo which eventually led to a months-long border standoff including a fatal confrontation”.
According to analysts, this “high-altitude plateau” with “an elevation of more than 5200 meters” could refer to Tibet, which is close to the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border dividing India and China.
The latest deployment of rockets can be seen as another act of intimidation by the Chinese PLA.
These “highly mobile, fast-reacting, highly accurate, very deadly and jamming-resistant” rocket systems, as stated by the Chinese media, are suitable for varying mission profiles such as seizing control of key regions and supporting assault maneuvers in all weather conditions.
The artillery systems are particularly valuable in high altitude terrains, something the Indian Army has mastered over the years since their experiences in the 1999 Kargil war.
The Chinese reports also stated that the new Rocket Artillery unit has replaced the older fully manual towed artillery pieces. No additional information was given about this unit except that it is deployed at a high-altitude plateau.
After the delivery of these systems, the operators started training and familiarisation with the PHL-03s.
Does India Possess PHL-03?
The PHL-03 is yet another example of Chinese craftsmanship, derived from the Russian BM-30 Smerch rocket launchers. This is a multiple launch rocket system comprising 12 launch tubes for 300 mm artillery rockets, along with a computerized fire control system (FCS) incorporating GPS/GLONASS/Beidou.
Analysts at military-today.com have stated that even though the PHL-03 is a Chinese version of the Smerch, it appears that the Chinese overtook Russians in terms of rockets, as PHL-03s have a longer range (of about 70-130 kilometers) than those of the Smerch (90 km).
Manufacturers claim that Chinese 300 mm rockets are not compatible with the Russian Smerch rockets as these use different propellant motors and components.
China has developed several versions of its own ‘Smerch’, namely the AR-1, AR-1A, AR-2, and AR-3. The AR-3 is capable of launching bigger 370mm rockets.
The Indian Army too possesses the BM-30 Smerch rocket systems, operating several launcher variants for the system, including around 62 9K58 Smerch batteries, each of which has six launch vehicles.
Since 2012, India’s state-owned Ordnance Factory Board has produced several rocket variants for the system that have a strike range of 70 or 90 km.
India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has also developed an indigenous MLRS capable of launching precision-guided munitions. This system is called ‘Pinaka Mk-II’, based on the original Pinaka unguided MLRS.
The new Mk-II has a range of about 60-80 kilometers, and the experience gained on the Pinaka has made the DRDO also work on developing new guided munitions for the Smerch.
Interestingly, in 2018, the Times of India reported that the Indian Army along with Russian scientists tested a new Smerch “guided missile” cum multi-barrel rocket launcher system, having a feature to ‘change direction’ after firing.
The report also said that DRDO was also working on rockets having “more range than Russian-supplied Smerch rockets”. This could mean that the Indian Army has also tested (and most probably inducted) new guided versions of the Smerch, similar to the Chinese PHL-03.
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