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South African National Defense soldiers (SANDF) stand guard outside the Karee mine, near Rustenburg September 17, 2012. South African police stopped ANC renegade Julius Malema from addressing striking miners on Monday as the government intensified efforts to contain labour unrest at mines in the world's top platinum producer.




South African National Defense soldiers (SANDF) stand guard outside the Karee mine, near Rustenburg September 17, 2012. South African police stopped ANC renegade Julius Malema from addressing striking miners on Monday as the government intensified efforts to contain labour unrest at mines in the world's top platinum producer.




South African National Defense soldiers (SANDF) stand guard outside the Karee mine, near Rustenburg September 17, 2012. South African police stopped ANC renegade Julius Malema from addressing striking miners on Monday as the government intensified efforts to contain labour unrest at mines in the world's top platinum producer.

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Badger IFV ( version sud-af du Patria AMV ) c'est le remplaçant des Ratel



Mbombe Wheeled Armoured Fighting Vehicle


Olifant MkII MBT



Rooikat 105


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Valkiri MkII MLRS

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AAD: Ruag offers South Africa Do 228NG deal

Ruag is pitching its Do 228NG (New Generation) for a requirement to replace the South African air force's antiquated Douglas DC-3 maritime patrol aircraft fleet.

As part of its offer, the Swiss company is proposing a private/public partnership model through which it would raise the capital required to lease the aircraft, says Klaus-Peter Leinauer, its vice-president of sales.

Ruag

Ruag would also provide initial training and logistical support, such as supplying spare parts, with the company to partner with a local firm for many of those activities, Leinauer says.

South Africa would provide the hangars, fuel and parts storage facilities under the proposal, along with supplying pilots and further crew training.

Leinauer says Ruag is prepared to discuss a 10-year deal that would involve the provision of 1,000 flight hours per year.

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AgustaWestland Signs Support Contract for South Africa’s AW109LUH Fleet




14:42 GMT, September 24, 2012 AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, is pleased to announce the signing of a comprehensive service support contract for the South African Air Force’s fleet of AW109LUH helicopters.

The annual contract includes the provision for it to be extended for up to 5 years. Under the contract AgustaWestland will be responsible for the delivery and provision of spares, support equipment, D-Level maintenance as well as component repair and overhaul services. AgustaWestland will also provide an on-site support team, technical support services, training and technical publication updates under the comprehensive support contract.

Patrick Chabrat, Head of Regional Sales, AgustaWestland, said “This wide ranging support contract will maximise aircraft availability whilst providing through life support cost savings to the customer. The AW109LUH has proven itself to be an ideal multi-role helicopter for the South African Air Force and this contract will enhance the availability of the aircraft to perform the wide range of tasks it is assigned.”

AgustaWestland is a world leader in the provision of integrated support services for military helicopter fleets where operators want to leverage on AgustaWestland’s experience to reduce the costs of through life support whilst increasing aircraft availability. In the UK AgustaWestland’s award winning Integrated Operational Support (IOS) programmes are support the Ministry of Defence’s fleets of Sea King, AW101, Apache and AW159 helicopters. The South African Air Force purchased 30 AW109 LUH helicopters and it has now become the world's best selling military light-twin helicopter, with orders for over 100 helicopters placed by customers around the world.

The AW109 LUH is able to satisfy a wide range of land-based as well as sea-based requirements. The AW109 LUH offers state-of-the-art mission-dedicated technology and equipment enhancing operational effectiveness while reducing pilot workload, together with unmatched performance, reliability, availability, serviceability and safety standards.

The South African Air Force aircraft feature an ergonomic cockpit with three 6” x 8” flat screen digital displays which are Night Vision Goggle (NVG) compatible. The aircraft can be flow single-pilot IFR/IMC and is highly manoeuvrable and has a maximum cruise speed of 283 km/h (153 knots).

Operators use their AW109 LUHs in the most varied and demanding weather and environmental conditions, from the arctic to the tropics, to perform many roles including advanced training, troop transport, medical evacuation, search and rescue, maritime patrol, observation, armed escort and anti-armour. The AW109 LUH is operated by the armed forces of several nations including Sweden, South Africa, New Zealand and Malaysia.

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Durban-based Southern African Shipyards is refurbishing the South African Navy’s three surviving strike craft, converting them to offshore patrol vessels.

Southern African Shipyards told defenceWeb that the main work being performed on the vessels related to electrical, mechanical and general hull maintenance and involved refurbishment, replacement and repainting.

The first vessel, SAS Isaac Dyobha (P1565), arrived in Durban on 11 October and after discharging all her fuel, oils and stores, was transferred to SA Shipyards’ floating dock and mounted on specially constructed cradles, where refurbishment began. The vessel was due to be brought out of the water yesterday.

The next vessel to arrive is SAS Makhanda (P1569), which because of her present condition, has to be towed to Durban and is due to arrive around 6 November, SAS said. The two vessels will then be moved into SA Shipyards’ maintenance hall, which is insulated from the weather.

Finally SAS Galeshewe (P1567) is due to arrive in Durban in mid-December. All weapons were removed in Simonstown prior to the vessels leaving for Durban. SAS Isaac Dyobha will finish its re-fit first so its departure from SA Shipyards’ premises is planned to be synchronized with SAS Galeshewe being brought into the maintenance hall.

The project is expected to be completed by the end of March 2013, when both Makhanda and Galeshewe are re-floated and complete their respective sea trials.

“At the end of the programme the Navy will have three serviceable reliable vessels that it will be able to use effectively for their relevant missions,” SAS said. “This programme is a home coming for all three vessels as this was their original birth place and a number of the supervisors and other staff at SA Shipyards remember building vessels almost 30 years ago.”

A decade ago it was announced that the South African Navy’s strike craft would be withdrawn in preparation for the arrival of four Meko 200 frigates from Germany. These were gradually retired, leaving the three remaining boats.

Lucinda Creamer, PRO/Marketing Officer at Southern African Shipyards, said her company received the contract to refurbish the strike craft in October 2012. “We would like to commend the South African Navy and Department of Defence for their commitment to New Growth Path and National Development Plan by awarding the contract to a South Africa based Company, therefore enhancing local content, job creation and industrial technological stimulation.”

The South African Navy received nine Warrior class (ex-Minister class) strike craft in the 1970s and 1980s. Three were built by Israeli Shipyards in Haifa while the other six were built by Sandock Austral in Durban (now Southern African Shipyards).

The main contract with Israel was signed in August 1974. Due to the arms embargo put in place against the apartheid-era government in 1977, an order for two corvettes and two submarines from France was cancelled, leaving the strike craft as the Navy’s only surviving warship project. The three craft built in Israel were delivered in 1977 and 1978 while the South African Navy received the six locally built vessels between 1978 and 1986.

The South African strike craft were fitted with6-8 Gabriel Mk II surface-to-surface missiles, known locally as the Scorpion, and two Oto Melara 76 mm guns. Secondary armament comprised two 20 mm Oerlikon cannons and two 12.7 mm machineguns.

The 58-metre long strike craft displace 415 tons, or 450 tons fully loaded. Four MTU diesel engines developing 12 000 hp give a speed of at least 34 knots (60 km/h) and a range of around 4 800 nautical miles (8 900 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h).

It is believed that the strike craft, and minehunters, will be partially replaced by inshore and offshore patrol vessels being acquired under Project Biro.

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Navy keen to retain offshore patrol skills

The South African Navy is keen to retain the three Warrior-class (ex Minister class) strike craft as offshore patrol vessels for as long as possible.

“What we are building with those patrol vessels is for the future acquisition of offshore patrol vessels under Project Biro. That is why we must keep those vessels as long as we can when we can transfer crews from those to the new patrol vessels,” Rear Admiral (JG) Bravo Mhlana, South African Navy Director Force Preparation, told defenceWeb.

The three surviving strike craft, of nine originally received in the in the 1970s and 1980s, are being refurbished and converted into offshore patrol vessels by Durban-based Southern African Shipyards. The first vessel, SAS Isaac Dyobha (P1565), arrived in Durban on 11 October. After discharging all her fuel, oils and stores, the vessel was transferred to Southern African Shipyards’ floating dock and mounted on specially constructed cradles, where refurbishment began.

The next vessel to undergo refurbishment is SAS Makhanda (P1569), which left Simon’s Town under tow on 3 November. Finally SAS Galeshewe (P1567) is due to arrive in Durban in mid-December. The Galeshewe has just left Simon’s Town to commence a patrol up the east coast.

Southern African Shipyards told defenceWeb that the main work being performed on the vessels related to electrical, mechanical and general hull maintenance and involved refurbishment, replacement and repainting.

Since the commissioning of the four Valour-class frigates in 2004/5, both Isaac Dyobha and Galeshewe have been used in the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) role. With the addition of SAS Makhanda, Mhlana explained that the three vessels allow the Navy “to beef up on the patrol side.”

Another motive for refurbishing the vessels is to allow them to be used in the training role. “To ensure our sailors get maximum exposure, we are also going to use those vessels for the young recruits that we receive from (naval training base) SAS Saldanha where we promote a seagoing culture,” Mhlana said.

Fixing these vessels, Mhlana says, will allow the young sailors to have the opportunity to go to sea in addition to the vessels conducting patrols. As the Navy is manning the fisheries research and patrol vessels on behalf of the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries (DAFF), there will be further sea-trained personnel to transfer to the OPV fleet once the DAFF fleet is returned.

All weapons are removed in Simon’s Town prior to the vessels leaving for refurbishment in Durban. However, the Navy intends to retain the currently fitted weapons when used in the OPV role. This includes one OTO Melara 76mm/62 naval gun, two 20 mm cannon and two 12.7 mm machine guns.

The refurbishment project is expected to be completed by the end of March 2013. Once refurbished, the three vessels will remain in Durban, based at the re-established Durban Naval Base at Salisbury Island (situated inside Durban Harbour).

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Zille urges army deployment amid farm protests
Thursday 15 November 2012 08:08

Western Cape Premier Helen Zille has reiterated her call for the deployment of the army in the Western Cape amid farm workers violent protests. Zille says yesterday there was complete anarchy and many places were on fire.


She says she needs President Jacob Zuma to respond to her plea as soon as possible by instructing the Minister of Military Affairs to deploy the army " in a crisis such as this".


Presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj says the President cannot just decide to send in the army, he needs to consult ans find a sustainable solution. He says the President needs to work together with the police and if reinforcement is necessary, the police will indicate that.


Zille says that the people who have been in the forefront of this strike are the seasonal workers from Lesotho. They are unable to get work because they don't have the required papers. She says farmers are reluctant to employ them as they can be fined as much as R150 000.
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8a7be0004d74e68da0cff1e570eb4ca2/Zille-urges-army-deployment-amid-farm-protests-20121511

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Il emprunte un avion de l'armée pour aller voir un ami à l'étranger

Un pilote de l'armée de l'air sud-africaine a été mis à pied après avoir emprunté un appareil de service pour aller voir un ami demeurant à l'étranger, a-t-on appris auprès du ministère de la Défense mercredi.

Il a été "mis à pied et suspendu de vol", a indiqué la ministre de la Défense Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, en réponse à une question parlementaire.

Le pilote, identifié dans les médias comme le lieutenant N.S.K. Bulwana, s'est mis aux commandes d'un petit Cessna 172, direction Gaborone, où résidait son ami, lui-même employé de l'aéroport de la capitale du Botswana.

Il n'a soumis aucun plan de vol ni même demandé l'accès à l'espace aérien du Botswana.

Le ministère de la Défense a aussi dû sévir contre une femme officier, surprise en train de faire ses courses au supermarché, sanglée dans son uniforme mais avec de très voyantes pantoufles roses au pied. Elle a été "réprimandée".

http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1504/Insolite/article/detail/1541105/2012/11/28/Il-emprunte-un-avion-de-l-armee-pour-aller-voir-un-ami-a-l-etranger.dhtml?utm_source=RSSReader&utm_medium=RSS

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SAAF plane missing over Drakensberg
2012-12-05 23:35


Cape Town - A South African Air Force aircraft, reportedly with former president Nelson Mandela's medical team on board, has gone missing over the Drakensberg Mountain in KwaZulu-Natal on Wednesday.

The plane - an SAAF Air Force DC3 or C-47TP aircraft of 35 Squadron, a type of aircraft known fondly in local aviation circles as the Dakota - was en route from Waterkloof Air Force Base to Mthatha in the Eastern Cape.

The route is used weekly by the medical team looking after Mandela's health in Qunu, according to eNCA news.

It was reported that 11 people were on board when the DC3 went missing.

According to aviation website saairforce.co.za "reports state that the aircraft last communicated with air traffic control when above Giants Castle in the Drakensberg Mountains, stating that they were at 11 000 feet and flying in Instrument Meteorological Conditions due to the bad visibility.

"The aircraft never arrived at Mthatha Airport."

It is believed the aircraft left Waterkloof at 08:00 on Wednesday morning. The alarm was raised at 12:00 when it failed to arrive in Mthatha.

SAAF spokesperson Xolani Mabanga confirmed that a search and rescue operation has been launched and will resume at first light on Thursday morning.

The search has been narrowed down using triangulation based on cellphone signals of 3 of the passengers on board.

An Oryx helicopter from Bloemfontein was tasked to search for the missing aircraft, but had to abandon the search due to the very bad weather in the area. Farmers in the area have also been contacted to help with the search.

Just last month a Dakota made a hard landing at Mthatha airport.

The Dakota is a WWII vintage aircraft which does not normally have a black box or emergency radio beacons.

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Plane wreckage found in Drakensberg

The SA Air Force military plane carrying an estimated 11 people that went missing en route from Pretoria to Mthatha in the Eastern Cape on Wednesday has been found.
According to SAAF spokesman Brigadier-General Xolani Mabanga, the wreckage was found in Giants Castle in the Drakensberg in KwaZulu-Natal.
Mabanga said they would not reveal the number of people on board.
“There was a pilot and crew on board but we cannot reveal the numbers at this stage,” he said.
According to reports, the plane was carrying former president Nelson Mandela's medical team. The route is used weekly by the medical team looking after Mandela's health in Qunu.
The SAAF has confirmed that the plane - an SAAF Air Force DC3 or C-47TP aircraft of 35 Squadron known by the nickname “Dakota” - might have encountered problems but said there were no details about what happened.
However, It is believed that bad weather conditions may have contributed to the craft’s disappearance.
Mabanga said the plane’s last known location had been in the Ladysmith area in KwaZulu-Natal. However, other reports said it was last in radio contact in the Giants Castle area.
According to a statement made on the SAAF (unofficial) online forum, the Dakota was flying from Waterkloof in Pretoria when it encountered severe weather.
“Unconfirmed reports state that the aircraft last communicated with Air Traffic Control when above Giants Castle in the Drakensberg, stating that they were at 11 000 feet and flying in Instrument Meteorological Conditions due to the bad visibility. The aircraft never arrived at Mthatha Airport,” the statement said.
The forum’s administrator, Dean Wingrin, said that an Oryx helicopter crew was tasked with searching for the missing aircraft, but had to abandon the search due to the bad weather.
Wingrin, who is a reporter for the Defence Web, said the Dakota operated regular flights in that region and would on most occasions carry military personnel between airports.

dispatch.co.za

SAS Amatola ( F145 )

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South African Air Force Cheetah Aircraft (now retired from service)

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Navantia présente le BAM à l’Afrique du sud


Le Meteoro, tête de série des patrouilleurs du type BAMcrédits : NAVANTIA

Le nouveau patrouilleur hauturier espagnol est en opération de séduction, cette semaine, en Afrique du Sud. Du 19 au 22 décembre, le Relampago est en escale au Cap, où Navantia et les autorités espagnoles présentent les capacités de cet OPV (Offshore Patrol Vessel), proposé à la marine sud-africaine dans le cadre du futur programme BIRO, qui doit voir la réalisation de trois patrouilleurs océaniques. En compétition notamment avec le modèle français Gowind OPV, de DCNS, les Espagnols font notamment valoir que leur bâtiment a déjà réalisé, avec succès, différentes missions outre-mer, dont un déploiement réussis, à l’été dernier, dans le cadre de l’opération européenne Atalante de lutte contre la piraterie au large de la corne d’Afrique. A cette occasion, le Relampago s’est notamment illustré en portant assistance à 68 personnes en détresse dans une embarcation en panne de moteur au large de la Somalie.


Le Relampago sauvant des migrants au large de la Somalie (© : EUNAVFOR)

Troisième unité du type BAM (Buque de Accion Maritima), dont la tête de série, le Meteoro, est entrée en service en juillet 2011, le Relampago mesure 93.9 mètres de long pour 14.2 mètres de large. Affichant un déplacement de 2575 tonnes en charge, ce grand patrouilleur, conçu pour les missions océaniques, présente une autonomie très importante, soit 8000 milles à 15 nœuds et une quarantaine de jours d’opérations, avec une vitesse maximale de 21 nœuds. Armé par 35 marins, il dispose de logements pour 35 passagers, par exemple des forces spéciales, qui peuvent être mise en œuvre au moyen d’embarcations rapides. Le bâtiment dispose également d’une plateforme et d’un hangar pour un hélicoptère, et peut embarquer des conteneurs sur la plage arrière. Son armement, axé sur l’artillerie, comprend une tourelle de 76mm et deux canons de 25mm, ainsi que des mitrailleuses.
Un quatrième BAM, le Tornado, doit prochainement entrer en service au sein de l’Armada.

Exercice Seboka-12 - Octobre 2012

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Pretoria s’implique militairement en République centrafricaine
7 janvier 2013 – 11:15

Pour le moment, le président centrafricain, François Bozizé, est toujours en place, alors que la coalition de divers mouvements rebelles, la Séléka, a continué sa progression et s’approche, ce 7 janvier, de la ville de Damara, qui est le dernier verrou avant Bangui, la capitale. Il s’agit ainsi de mettre la pression sur le pouvoir en place avant la tenue de négociations, prévues dans quelques jours au Gabon, sous l’égide de la Communauté des Etats de l’Afrique centrale (CEEAC).

Cela étant, il n’est pas certain que François Bozizé ait l’intention de négocier quoi que ce soit. En effet, le président centrafricain peut désormais compter sur le soutien de l’Afrique du Sud, qui a déployé dans le pays une force de 400 soldats “bien équipés” selon les témoignages.

“Le président Jacob Zuma a autorisé le déploiement de 400 membres des forces nationales de défense sud-africaines en République centrafricaine, pour apporter leur soutien conformément à une obligation internationale de l’Afrique du Sud envers la Centrafrique. Ces soldats sont employés depuis le 2 janvier de cette année et ce jusqu’au 31 mars. Ils vont aider notamment l’armée centrafricaine à s’organiser, mais également à planifier et instaurer les processus de désarmement, de démobilisation et de réintégration. L’envoi des troupes sud-africaines en Centrafrique doit participer aux efforts sud-africains pour apporter la paix et la stabilité dans la région,” a expliqué Mac Maharaj, le porte-parole de la présidence sud-africaine.

Alors, pourquoi ce déploiement de militaires sud-africains en RCA? Pour Roland Marchal, spécialiste de l’Afrique sub-saharienne au Centre d’études et de recherches internationales (CERI, Sciences Po), interrogé dans les colonnes du quotidien Le Monde, l’implication de Pretoria marque un “changement majeur” dans le conflit interne centrafricain. “Certainement en échange de contrats miniers importants”, le président Bozizé préparerait une contre-offensive avec l’aide militaire de l’Afrique du Sud, dont les soldats vont “aider à organiser l’armée centrafricaine pour attaquer les rebelles.”

Pour rappel, les forces françaises, présentes en Centrafrique dans le cadre de l’opération BOALI, ont récemment été renforcées avec l’arrivée de compagnies appartenant au 2e Régiment Etranger d’Infanterie et le 2e Régiment Etranger Parachutiste, jusque-là déployées temporairement au Gabon. Leurs effectifs s’élèvent désormais à 600 hommes.
http://www.opex360.fr/

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Amatola to resume anti-piracy patrols
South Africa will send a Valour Class frigate to the Mozambique Channel at the end of January as part of its commitment to the African integrated maritime security strategy.

There has not been a South African Navy (SAN) presence in the busy east African seaboard channel for a number of months due to unavailability of suitable platforms. This saw the SAS Drakensberg tasked with anti-piracy patrol duties while frigates were busy with multinational exercises.

While the deployment has not been confirmed yet, reliable naval sources have indicated SAS Amatola will be next to take up station in the Channel. She took part in last year’s Atlasur and Ibsamar exercises and is currently undergoing final preparations for transit to and station in the Mozambique Channel.

A bland official statement from Navy headquarters in Pretoria noted, “early this year a Navy vessel will take up patrol duties in Mozambican waters. Specific details cannot be divulged for security reasons.”

The Navy has maintained anti-piracy patrol duties in the Mozambique Channel since early 2011 as part of Operation Copper.

Other elements of the SA National Defence Force’s anti-piracy effort include a 35 Squadron C-47TP maritime reconnaissance aircraft, a detachment from the Navy’s maritime reaction squadron and SA Army and SA Air Force support based at Pemba.

In May last year maritime reaction squadron member Able Seaman Thulani Mbuli became the first South African fatality in anti-piracy operations. He fell into the sea while disembarking the SAS Drakensberg ahead of inspection of an Iranian registered dhow, targeted as “a vessel of interest” by intelligence. Fellow squadron members attempted, unsuccessfully, to rescue him.

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Rooivalk attack helicopters

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SAAF has “miniscule” maritime capability









The South African Air Force’s miniscule airborne maritime capability has become even more miniscule, according to defence analyst Helmoed Römer Heitman.

This follows the tragic loss of the “Gooney Bird” C-47TP Turbo Dakota in the Drakensberg mountains in December, and the writing off (as a Category Five loss) of another C-47TP following a landing incident at Umtata airport in November.

Unofficial sources indicated there are now nine C-47s in the SAAF’s inventory. No official figures were available from the South African Air Force, despite repeated requests since mid-December, on the number of converted C-47 aircraft still in service at AFB Ysterplaat’s 35 Squadron. Five of these are configured for maritime patrol operations, two for transport, one as a transport/photographic platform and the remaining one set up for electronic warfare. According to the Squadron website it originally had 11 of the turbo power plant engined aircraft.

“Given they are old aircraft and with one more or less permanently assigned to anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, it would be fair to say the Squadron has at most five serviceable aircraft available to it at any one time,” Römer Heitman he said.

With general light cargo and other duties also assigned to 35 Squadron, Römer Heitman said maritime patrol capability was “never very big” in the SAAF.

“Now it has decreased even more and what was fairly limited has become even more so.”

This was echoed by Linden Birns of Plane Talking. The Cape Town-based aviation specialist said the unfortunate loss of two C-47TPs left the SAAF’s maritime operations area “even more exposed”.

“It’s not a good situation even with Navy ships on patrol duties. Aircraft are more agile and can allow for a speedier response if a threat arises, be it in terms of piracy, fish poaching or other maritime incidents.”

The need for an upgrade of the maritime capability of the SA National Defence Force’s airborne arm of service has long been a concern. The previous Chief of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano, indicated he would have been happy with six suitably configured King Airs to support this aspect of airborne operations.

“If I had such aircraft available I would have them deployed at various costal locations from where they could conduct maritime patrols, flown if necessary by SAAF Reserve pilots,” he told a media briefing at AFB Swartkop two years ago.

No aircraft, whether in the King Air category or bigger, such as the C295 as demonstrated to the SAAF for multi-role tasking last year, appear to be in the acquisition pipeline. Another potential contender is Lockheed-Martin’s C-130J Super Hercules, which will boost much-needed airlift capacity and can also be equipped for maritime surveillance and patrol duties as well as other taskings.

defenceweb

A-109E LUH


Atlas TP-1 Oryx

une mauvaise affaire les LUH

Yakuza a écrit:

une mauvaise affaire les LUH

Ils ont l'air en bon état et ils en ont une trentaine. C'est plutôt une bonne affaire puisqu'ils sont monté directement au pays par une société Sud-Africaine.

ah bon?parceque une partie est montée localement alors ils sont en bon etat?

l´helico souffre de plusieurs problemes dans le theatre africain,dabord il est sous motorisé/trop lourd et ne peut etre efficace dans les terrains chauds(clin d´oeil a l´autre pays qui suit aveuglement)
ensuite il est hypercomplexe que la formation de pilotes coince avec,et il est plus cher(a acheter et a maintenir) que ses concurrents qui font mieux
il ne peut etre taské de role maritime ou SAR,sa batterie coince..resultat les alouette III qu íls etaient sensés remplacer faisaient le job mieux et completement

p.s: de la trentaine 3 deja crashés durant les premieres années,causes tech..

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l´autre pays qui suit aveuglement

L'autre pays est DZ, nous sommes d'accord je pense

absolutely dude