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Sujet: l'industrie militaire iranienne Ven 9 Juil 2010 - 9:55
En remarquant ce qu'a pu faire l'Iran dans le domaine de l'industrie militaire même sous embargo .. j'ai décidé d'ouvrir ce topic pour vous rapprochez de plus sur l'ensemble des armements produites en Iran, mais aussi les upgarde qu'a entré l'iran sur des unités de ces forces armées Et je vais commencer par les plus léger ...
SVD
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SVD- Made in Iran Calibre : 7.62 mm Longueur : 1125 mm Longueur du canon: 620 mm Cartouche : 7.62x54mmR Vitesse à la bouche : 830 m / s Portée maximale: 1300 m de portée
le SVD est conçu à l'Iran fusil leger de précision, utilisé pour détruire les cible à long distance .. semi-automtique, il peut étre utilisé avec viseurs optiques et de nuits
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KH-2002 aussi appelé SAMA
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Iranian indigenously produced 5.56 mm bullpup rifle Longueur du canon: 780 mm , 730 mm , 680 mm Cartouche : 5.56x45mm OTAN Action : Les boulons à gaz, en rotation Cadence de tir : 800 à 850 tour / min , cycliques Vitesse à la bouche : 900 à 950 m / s Portée efficace : 450 m Système d'alimentation : Magazines STANAG Divers .
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The KH-2002 is a 5.56 mm, automatic, gas operated, Bullpup assault rifle and is designed for the unique requirements of various operation missions. It uses a simple four stages fire mechanism, which provide single shot, automatic fire, and three-round bursts. A selector lever can activate safetyposition firearm. The top of carrying handle can also be used to mount optical or nightsights to provide the high fire accuracy. Extensive engineering works on design of internal and external ballistics of KH-2002, ensures its efficiency and high performance.
Four-position fire selector lever which is situated toward the rear of the left side butt-stock behind a 20/30-round magazine housing. The DIO promotes the it as a "low-recoil, highly accurate, lightweight" weapon, with "modular construction for easy maintenance" and a rotating bolt-cocking mechanism, presumably designed to facilitate ambidextrous firing, protected under a carrying handle that contains the rear sight. The carrying handle can also be used to mount optical or night sights. The weight of the Sama with the long barrel and a 30-round empty magazine is given as 3.7kg.;The weapon can also be fitted with a bipod and a bayonet.
------------------- S-5.56 le M-16 sino-iranien
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Weight 2.9 kg (Empty) Length 986 mm Barrel length 508 mm Cartridge 5.56x45mm Action Gas operated, rotating bolt - Semi-automatic or select-fire operation Rate of fire 900 RPM Muzzle velocity 990m/s Maximum range 460m Feed system 20/30-round magazine (STANAG 4179)
Arme d'infanterie, généralement semi-automatique, caractérisée par son poids léger, sa grande précision et cadence de tir importante .. Cette arme est chargée par une pression indirecte de gaz de poudre .. Elle bénéficie d'une puissance de feu de quoi anéatir une cible se trouve dans un rayon de 460m
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CQ-5.56 .. la copie du M4A1 cettre version est produit par les chinois et on dit que l'Ira a une licence pour le produire localement
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G3-A3 produit sous licence
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Cartridge 7.62x51mm Action Roller-delayed blowback Rate of fire 500-600 rounds/min Muzzle velocity 800 m/s (2,625 ft/s) Effective range 100 to 400 m sight adjustments Feed system 20-round detachable box magazine Sights Rear: rotary diopter; front: hooded post
le A4 aussi
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Weight 3.6 kg (empty) Cartridge 7.62x51mm Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt Rate of fire 3750 m Effective range 400 m Rate of fire 600 rounds/min
Weight 3.6 kg (empty) Cartridge 7.62x39mm Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt Rate of fire 600 rounds/min Muzzle velocity 715 m/s (2,346 ft/s) Effective range 300 m
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MGA3 Elle est presque utilisé par tous les corps d'amrée iranienne
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PKM T-80
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MPT9
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MPT9K
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pistolet de combat PC9
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The PC9 mm pistol combat has been designed with advanced technology specifically for military and law enforcement forces. This Pistol works with short recoil and has double action trigger, automatic pin safety lock, decoking lever with external slide catch. This pistol is automatically loaded by magazine after firing of final shot the slide is stopped.
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MGD 12.7mm
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The MGD-12.7 mm is an anti-aircraft machine gun, which applies repulsion force of gunpowder gas for loading and ejection of the rounds. This gun is designed for surface air firing purposes to aim at low altitude flying or swooping aircrafts, parachutists, light armored targets and other ground aims enemy.
L'iran fabrique aussi des RPG7/9 ..
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FATEH MORTAR LAUNCHERS and NAROLLAH MORTAR LAUNCHERS and HM14 MORTAR LAUNCHERS
With its light weight and simple operation is as a portable weapons group, and as far as its range is able to implement a large volume of firing rapidly on targets. This mortar is designed to be applied on any kinds of battle-fields and under any climate. This mortar is generally operated by two persons but in urgent case it can be used by one as well. The sight is simple and accurate and it remains in firm position during firing.
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81 mm HM15 Hadid 81mm mortar launchers are of unrifled and barrel-loading type with 360o of firing field. Because of possessing high shooting angle, this weapon enables to fire from behind of obstacles. In regions where routs are impracticable, the mortar can be taken apart and carried by infantry. Due to its simple structure, it can be erected and operated only by two or three persons.
120 mm HM16 Hadid 120mm mortar launchers are of unrifled and barrel-loading type with 360o of firing field. Because of possessing high shooting angle, this weapon enables to fire from behind of obstacles. In regions where routs are impracticable, the mortar can be taken apart and carried by infantry. Due to its simple structure, it can be erected and operated only by two or three persons.
HM15
HM16
Quelques munitions
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hadid mortar 81mm ammunition
ILLUMINATING This Mortar Bomb is intended for illuminating a desired point or area and consists of a time fuze, thin-walled steel body-tube, parachute, steel tail cone and fin assemblies containing propellant increment charges, ignition cartridge and propulsion cartridge. A tail cone is inserted into the body tube and is held in position by four equally spaced shear pins. The illuminant assembly consists of a first-fire charge and an illuminant contained in a box board case. The parachute assembly is attached to the illuminant assembly casing by a steel suspension wire.it's the white bombs of the pic.
81 mm LONG RANGE DIO has improved his normal type Mortar Bombs to achieve Long Range ones of 60mm and 81mm. The improvement is not only in the range but also in their performance. With more volume of explosive material, the new types have more explosion power and respectively much better fragments and finally resulting to better performance. All these changes are achievable without any changes to the mortar Launchers. are the 2 green and the 2 brown bombs on the pic.
81 mm HIGH EXPLOSIVE & SMOKE Both HE and smoke types of 81 mm Mortar Bombs have a symmetrically streamlined steel body with a welded steel eight-fin tail unit screwed to the rear end. A primary cartridge fits into the end of the tail tube and increment charges can be clipped into the fins. are the 2 light green bombs and 1 dark green bomb on the pic.
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BARREL LAUNCHER
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passant mainteant à l'Artillerie et lance Roquettes multiple :
HM51 122 mm
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HM51 cannon is placed on Vozdica propeller and gas sleeve assembly recoils less than its other similarity brands such as 122 D 30.
HM40 122 mm
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HM 40 is of semi-heavy artillery part and is applied in brigade level of an army division. It is a breech-loading weapon without safety-bolt, but with a vertical wedge breech that the loading is performed manually. After each firing of the shell, it is sent off by itself and be armed semi-automatically.Ammunition is of a changeable separate type, and its firing is of pulling kind. The recoil unit of this weapon is of a independent hydro pneumatic type, and the equilibrator is of a pneumatic one. This weapon leans on three points foroperation, and enable to implement direct, curve or perpendicular firing.
HM40
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40 ROUNDS (HM 20), rocket launcher is a weapon for launching low range rockets. It is applied in corps level of military and is mounted on BENZ-LAK(2624 - 6x6) truck and therefore has rapid maneuver capability and speed of performance in roads and cross-countries with fording depth of 1.5m and firing from trench and cabin.
HM41 155 mm
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Howitzer HM 41 is applied in implementation of back-up firing for infantry and is able to shoot new 155mm shells. It is a weapon of semi-heavy artillery, having high range, muzzle brake that causes recoil force be reduced.To have screwing breech with a firm slope, that its action is mechanically and manually.Firing luck is of continues pulling and impact kind. Recoil system being of a changeable and independent hydro-pneumatic type. Equilibration being of nitrogen gas kind. Mechanism of traversing and elevation being mechanically and manually through routing a handy wheel. Brake being of a pneumatic and manual system.
RAAD2 155 mm SPH ( équipé d'un canon HM44 155 mm )
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This SPH is the successor to the Raad-1(below), fulfilling the same role. The major upgrades are the integration of targeting optics and a larger gun. It was first introduced in 1997 and is also known as the 'Thunder'. Also manufactured by the DIO, it is produced at the Hadid facility
Gun Unline the Raad-1's 122 mm Soviet gun, the Raad-2 uses the 155 mm gun from the M109 SPH giving it has a range of 23.5 km or about 14 miles. Other sources place the range anywhere from 18 km with standard HE, to 24 km with basebleed shells, up until 30 km with basebleed. The barrel is equipped with a muzzle break and fume extractor. It has a slightly faster ROF then the Raad-1 with a solid 5 per-minute. m The maximum depression is -3 and the maximum elevation is +75 degrees. The barrel life is reported to be 5000 shells. It can carry a total of 30 shells of the same same array of shells as the Raad-1, but in the larger caliber, including HE and illuminating shells, note the lack of arming fuzes on the illuminating shells.
Turret With a rotational axis of 360 degrees, it looks externally to be very similair to the M109a2 turret. However, it has a decreased shell capacity, from 36 to 3o indicating either an up-armoring or increase in equipment such as targeting or environment control. However "Janes" indictats the armor thickness is more around 20 mm actually indicating a downgrade in the armor, so the decrease in storage is probably due to the latter reason(though some sources place the armor at just over 25.4 mm). The turret also carries the same semi-automatic loader and recoil mechanisms as the Raad-1. Similarities to the original M109 turret include the direct and indirect fire teliscopes. Improvements include a laser rangefinder, enviromental control and possibly beyond-the-horizon targetting. A 12.7 mm AA DsKH machinegun is mounted on the turret.
Hull This may or may not be derived from the Boragh like the Raad-1, but it is certaintly not a direct conversion like the first Raad. There are 4 factors that are visible to the naked eye, first is the glacis plate which does not look like the Boragh, but more like the traditional M-109. Second is the track system which resembles the T-72, but that will be later. Third is the upper-track covers which does look like the Boragh. Fourth is the rear hatch which also looks like the Raad-1/ambulance/ammunition transport version of the Boragh hull, but also looks like the M-109. As i said, the wheels resemble those on the T-72 tank. This is indictive of the internal powerplant being from the T-72 as well. It runs off of either a 330 hp V-8 engine(the same one used on the Boragh) or the Ukrainian 5TDF engine, the same kind used on the T-64 MBT, but the distinctive exhaust resembles that found on the T-72, although moved forward and on the opposite side of the hull. This engine is capable of generating a road speed of 70 km/h for a range of 450 km.Transmission is the 8-gear Spat-1200 used in the Safir-74/T-72Z domestic conversions of the T-54/55 tanks. The driver, seated front-left, has 3 periscopes, either all day, or 1 night sight. The hull makes up the majority of the 36 tonne weight.
Parts of Note 1) Indirect fire sight 2) Direct fire sight 3) Distinctive Exhaust - indicating engine placement 4) Rubber Tracks - T-72 variety 5) MG mount and commanders hatch 6) T-72 style wheels
caractéristiques du Cannon HM40 155mm
le canon à 122mm c'est bien le canon utilisé sur les RAAD1, alors que le canon 125mm, c'est le HM50 ( 2A46M ) utilisé dans le version iranienne upgradé des T72S dont je vais parler aprés :
HM23
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NAVAL 16 ROUNDS (HM 23) rocket launcher is a weapon for launching free low range rockets. It is mounted on patrol boats and floating vessels. Targets destruction occurs at speed due to its capabilities such as rapid displacement and maneuver.. Elevation system of this weapon is mechanically and electro-hydraulically.
12 BARRELS ROCKET LAUNCHER
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This rocket launcher is a weapon for launching free low-range rockets which are portable with two persons. Because of the nearly light weight, it is possible to displace the gun rapidly. The firing system is a kind of electrical one and also the elevating and traversing system is mechanically.
11 Barrels Naval Rocket Launcher are mounted on fast patrol boats and various floating vessels. They are a light weight, high rate, heavy fire rocket launcher just suitable for attack on enemy targets at the sea or shore, with high maneuverability & excellent electronic fire control based in the cabin, optional stabilizer & fire gate for more precise targeting are available as well.
Les Chars produites ou upgardés à l'Iran : ( c'est vraiment trés intéréssant ce qu'ils ont pu faire dans ce Domaine, surtout avec les T72 .. vraiment chapeau )
Zulfiqar 3
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The Iranian Zulfiqar [Zolfaqar] main battle tank is believed to be pieced together or developed from major components of the Russian T-72 and American M48 and M60 tanks. This tank, which is claimed to be in production in Irana, is said to be similiar in configuration to the M-48 and M-60. Other reports suggest that it bears a close resemblance to the American M1 Abrams.
One of the features of the Zolfaqar tank which has drawn the attention of the Defense Ministry is that indigenously-made parts have been used in it. The testing prototypes of the tank were tested in 1993. Six semi-industrial prototypes of the tank were produced and tested in 1997.
In April 1997 Acting Commander of the Ground Forces of the Iranian Army, Lieutenant General Mohammad Reza Ashtiani announced that the mass production of Zulfiqar tanks, which began in 1996, was still in progress. He stated that the manufacture of 520 different kinds of tank parts, 600 artillery parts, repair of 500 tanks and armored vehicles have been carried out. In late July 1997 Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani of Iran formally inaugurated a production line for the domestically manufactured Zulfiqar main battle tanks and Boragh tracked armoured personnel carriers. The facility, the Shahid Kolah Dooz Industrial Complex, will also produce the BMT-2 personnel carrier identified.
The Iranian tank is armed with a 125mm smoothbore gun fitted with a fume extractor which may be fed from an automatic loader. It is known that the Zulfiqar uses suspension like that fitted to Western MBTs such as the M48/M60 MBT. The diesel engine is not taken from the T-72 since this has a distinct exhaust outlet on the left side of the hull. This feature is absent on the Zulfiqar.
T-72S
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The most recent T-72 is the 'S' version. The T-72S MBT weighs 44.5 tonnes and is armed with the latest stabilized 125mm smoothbore 2A46M gun, IA40-1 computerised fire-control system (FCS) with laser rangefinder and day/image intensification night sighting system. As well as firing the normal types of 125mm separate-loading ammunition (projectile and charge), the T-72S can also fire a Svir 9M119 (NATO designation AT-11 'Sniper') laser beam-riding guided projectile to a range of 4,000m. The T-72S is powered by the V-84MS diesel engine, which develops 840hp and, with a combat weight of 44.5 tonnes, a power-to-weight ratio of 18.87hp/tonne is obtained. For greater cross-country mobility, the suspension has also been upgraded and mine protection improved. The anti-aircraft machine gun is provided with sighting and laying equipment that makes it possible to fire both at aerial and ground targets. The tank is also equipped with a dynamic protection system improving its protection against hollow-charged projectile. T-72S is equipped with devices designed to protect the crew and inner equipment from shock wave in case of a nuclear explosion as well as against radioactive dust when moving over a contaminated terrain. The tank is provided with the underwater stream-crossing and entrenching equipment ( the latter being designed for cuts digging ) as well as the means to protect it against napalm-type incendiary fuels. Provisions are also made for installation of the tread mine sweeper used for making passages in mine fields . To ensure concealment, the tank carries smoke-generating equipment and smoke grenade launching system. To extinguish fire inside the tank, the latter is equipped with fire fighting system.
T-72Z ( Safir-74 )
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T-72Z An upgrade has been developed in Iran called the Type 72Z in order to extend the operational life of the T-54/T-55 MBTs, and the similar Chinese Type 59 equivalent used by Iran, all of which are armed with a 100mm gun.
The existing 100mm gun has been replaced by a 105mm M68 rifled tank gun in service with Iran on the M60A1 MBT. The Armament Industries Division of the DIO probably makes this weapon because for some years it has had the capability to bore tank and artillery barrels, such as the 122mm Russian D-30.
To improve first-round hit probability, the Type 72Z has a Slovenian Fontana EFCS-3 computerised FCS. According to the manufacturer, installation of the EFCS-3 FCS enables stationary or moving targets to be engaged while the Type T72Z MBT is static or moving.
The 7.62mm co-axial and roof-mounted 12.7mm machine guns have been retained as has the ability to lay a smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet on the left of the hull. In addition, four electrically operated smoke-grenade dischargers have been mounted on each side of the turret.
At least one example of the Type 72Z has been fitted with a roof-mounted laser warning device, probably coupled to a commander's display and the electrically operated smoke-grenade launchers either side of the turret.
Iranian sources say the upgraded Type 72Z is powered by the V-46-6 V-12 diesel engine developing 780hp. This engine has been integrated into a new powerpack, which also includes the SPAT 1200 transmission for use in automatic or semi-automatic modes. The V-46 V-12 diesel engine is also installed in early production T-72 series MBTs, such as the T-72 and T-72A, and Iran could obtain these from various sources besides Russia.
The Type 72Z's combat weight is quoted as 36 tonnes, power-to-weight ratio 21.66hp/tonne and maximum road speed is 65km/h. This compares with the T-55 MBT, which has a power-to-weight ratio of 16.11hp/tonne and a maximum road speed of 50km/h. Last year, the Shahid Kolah Dooz Industrial Complex revealed it had developed a new ERA package that can be rapidly fixed to the T-54/ T-55, T-72 and other MBTs to improve battlefield survivability against chemical energy (CE) and kinetic energy (KE) attack. This Iranian ERA package is similar to that being made and marketed by Russia and has been installed on Russian MBTs, such as the T-80BV, for some years. The Iranian ERA armour system comprises one composite layer. This protects against KE and CE projectiles and an extra energetic material that provides protection against KE attack. Iranian sources said this system can be dropped from a height of 5m; will not be activated from small arms fire up to 30mm in calibre or grenades; and is resistant to napalm type weapons.
Il y a aussi une version qui est trés proche des T-84 je pense .. mais pas des infos exacte à son propos c'est le Khorromshahr :
l'Iran aussi a maintenu ces ancien Challenger ( Chieftain ) en service en introduisant beaucoup de changements :
là dans cette photo c'est Mobarez version modifié à l'Iran, avec blindage sur les cotes, et on dit aussi avec motorisation nouvelle ( américaine .. donc des moteurs des M48/60 )
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... WZ506 (WZ503) Armored Command Post (4 radios) Boragh - Iranian-made modification of the Chinese Type WZ 501/503 armored infantry fighting vehicle. It was reported in early May 2002, that three additional variations of the Boragh had been unveiled by the Iranian Defence Industries Organisation (DIO) of Iran's Vehicle and Equipments Group (VEIG). These consisted of a 120mm self-propelled mortar variant, of an ammunition resupply vehicle and of an APC fitted with improved armaments....
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Armor: Predominantly the same as the original BMP-1, however the vulnerability to autocannon fire, or even as proven in Chechnya, small arms, was addressed through appliqué armor that provides protection against a 30 mm cannon.
Weapons:The 73 mm gun was done away with in all versions in favor of a variety of other armaments. - 30 mm Gun: This seems to be taken straight from the BMP-2. This addressed the armor shortcomings in the BMP-1 by providing a stronger cupola for the gunner and commander
-DShK: A turretless version with only a light 12.7 AA machine gun. I presume this to be the 'commander' version of the Boragh because absent this role, it would largely serve no purpose except as a transport because of its light arms. This then serves to reduce its weight by a full ton.
-Mortar: Have yet to see a picture so i'm skeptical, but it would probably be turretless, again to reduce weight, and be fired via the troop hatches in the rear, or perhaps through the hole where the turret was. All sources point toward a 120 mm mortar, and is the diameter used by other nations AIFV mortar conversions.
-AAA: Armed with the ZU-23 gun in place of the turret, in the pictures i have seen, the wheels have not even been removed, so either it was a slapdash job with it just being welded on, or its bolted on and its able to be removed at the frontline and the vehicle is able to be used as transportation where the gun is situated for point defense.
-Medic and Transport: Probably more or less the same vehicle but with payloads for each. Other then that, this is the most modified of the different varieties, with a 'raised' front that makes it more like a truck then an IFV, and the back first appears to be completely removed to make way for a canvas covering, but with a second look, the sole picture of this variant indicates that for whatever reason the canvas is merely covering the contours of the armor. Regardless, the troop transport section also appears to be expanded with a higher roof.
-ATGM: Carries a toophan ATGM, unclear if it is a turret design with the missile instead of the original 73 mm or 30 mm cannon, or rather, if the turret is removed, and the launcher is installed in the manner of the DShK mentioned above.
Other A few other things are worthy of mention. -Lower Weight: Due to the removal of turret in most versions, it lowers the weight to 13 tons, improving the power to weight ratio, and extends the range by an additional 50 km to 550 km
-Change in the Power Pack: the original 4-stroke 300 hp diesel engine with a 330 hp v-8.
-Night Vision: Infra-red sensors, available to both gunner(if applicable), driver and commander
-Road Wheels - the changes are two fold, first is that rubber pads have been added to allow constant travel on roads and pavement. The second is that they appear to be derived from the M113 rather then the BMP-1, request input on the implications though.
-Increased Passenger Capacity - wiki lists it as a feature, but doesn't warrant it, so i'm skeptical
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Rakhsh 4*4
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Characterized by high speed on road and excellent off-road mobility, The vehicle can transport 10 men. The vehicle is fitted with a 12.7mm Automatic Gun and can be fitted with different cupolas for various types of armaments. The crew can see and fire through 10 vision blocks and firing ports and can be quickly embarked or deployed through one rear door and two side doors. Specific Equipment Central inflating system Run flat system Winch Differential lock Air condition system.Option Equipment Ceramic-composite layer Protection against 12.7mm Up to14.5 mm Smoke discharger and N.B.C protection system.
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Taftan MC
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Designing and manufacturing of the first full armoured anti-mine machine, TAFTAN-1 Using its clearing part consisting of rotary chains, flails, Taftan-1 is able to sweep antitank, anti-vehicle, and anti-personnel mines and resist against the explosions. Clearing depth of the Article is 30 cm and its operation width is 3 meters.The operator is completely protected against danger of the explosion during operation. Using this machine for cleaning the minefields, the lives and equipment are saved & secured.
--------------------------- d'autre véhicule pour génie militaire produite ou modernisé à l'Iran :
------------------------ selon plusieurs sources, l'Iran produit d'autres véhicules, comme Tosan, un char léger avec un canon 90mm .. mais il y a pas des infos à ce propos ..
l'Iran produit et modernise des BMP2 ...
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Equipped with two speed transfer case and mechanical engagement system. 4WD, With differential lock. Driver cab. Equipped with suspension system including leaf spring and telescopic shock absorber. Hard and soft top, folding wind screen. Having two war and civil lighting systems.
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tous ce que tu vois ici, et fabriquer/moderniser en Iran .. avec l'aide technique chinois et nord coréen dans plusieurs cas .. les etudes dans ce domaine sont trés avançé en Iran .. et parfois ce sont juste des éléves qui méne ces programmes .. et ils ont plein de projets .. mais faute de moyen ..!! mais c'est vraiment énorme ce qu'ils ont pu faire .. sachant qu'ils sont sous embargo !!
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oui j'arrive a concevoir tout le travail gigantesque que les iranien font mais faute de moyen ils devraient se concentrer sur des programme a forte valeur stratégique comme les missiles les drones et les moyens de détection radar et autres c'est le plus important au lieu de claqué l'argent sur les vehicule blindé et autre qui couteraient moins cher a produire sous licence a la rigueur au lieu d'en inventer
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oui je j'arrive a concevoir tout le travail gigantesque que les iranien font mais faute de moyen ils devraient se concentrer sur des programme a forte valeur stratégique comme les missiles les drones et les moyens de détection radar et autres c'est le plus important au lieu de claqué l'argent sur les vehicule blindé et autre qui couteraient moins cher a produire sous licence a la rigueur au lieu d'en inventer
sorry ??!! .. une armée n'est pas seulement des missiles et je sais pas quoi, surtout lorsque tu es sous embargo, et d'ailleurs faire des choses comme celles que tu vois plus haut n'est pas donné sinon la liste des autres armements iranien n'est pas fini ... pour tes infos, l'IRan développe depuis 85 des programmes pour drones, actuellement l'IRan produit ou avait produit 3 Familles de Drone avec plusieurs dérivés .. le dernier né c'est le Mahdjer 4,un drone multi-fonction, et le savoir faire des iraniens dans ce domaine est déjà prouvé ... pour les missiles, l'Iran produit plusieurs type de missile dont je vais parler prochainement, notament la Famille Shahab ( basé sur Scud B et D ) dont les version 4-5-6 sont à l'étude si je dit pas que la version 4 est déjà opérationnél. il y a aussi les famille Sejjil ( 1 et 2 ) eux aussi des missile SS long portée, il y a aussi d'autres systémes comme Naze3at ( 1 et 2 ) et Zelzal et d'autres l'Iran produit aussi une version upgarder localement du SM1, et aussi des Harpoon Mk140 upgarder localement aussi ...
Il produit des missiles Noor (1 et 2 ) qui sont des version iranienns du C802, et depuis 89 l'IRan produit des Seersuker et ils ont eux aussi des modernisation notament dans leur systémes propulsif !! l'IRan aussi a developper son propre JDAM, et il collabore avec les chinois pour des missile A-A et A-S ...
sinon pour les systémes de détéction, il y a aussi des systémes développer en IRan sur la base des sytémes précedante .. notament celui là dont parler Israél derniérement, et qu'il prétend étre installer en Syrie !! bon tous cela est à découvrir avec plus de détails prochainement !!
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je le sais que l'iran produit des missile des drone et des systéme de detection toutefois si il s'il s'etait concetrer sur cela il en aurait accru la qualité et la dangerosité il n'est pas prouver que les missiles que l'Iran produit sont fiable avec un taux acceptable de réussite c'est ce que je voulais dire plutôt toutefois il est vrai que l'on devrais s'incliner devant la volonté et la capacité d'un pays de produire tous ce materiel sous embargo d'ailleurs je suis tres impressionner il ne faut pas voir ne serais qu'un degrés de mepris ou quoi que ce soit du genre de ma part envers les realisation iranienne bien au contraire
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désolé, mais rien de ce que tu dis n'est basé sur une logique bien fondée, si on se concentre seulment dans les missiles, ne veut pas dire forcément qu'il sera bien fait, comme si il y a un seule corps qui s'occupe de l'industrie militaire iranienne, alors que non, il y a plusieurs société, et il y a aussi plusieurs universités et Académies avec beaucoup de spécialités, et le nombres des ingénieurs est trés intéréssants. mais chacun sa spécialité !!
sinon question de fiabilité, c'est à voir, et c'est pas seulement pour les iraniens une anecdote que je l'ai entendu y a longtemps, pendant le rapprochement irano US, les US ont demandé d'acquérir un prototype d'un T72 iranien, pourquoi ?! ( )
Moi je dis seulement que si les conditions n'était pas comme celle d'aujourd'hui ( pas ce régime à la téte de cet Etat ), l'Iran pourrait étre une référence dans ce domaine !!
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Yakuza Administrateur
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je l´ai posté sur armée iranienne a une epoque,voila ce qui montre la base de l´industrie militaire installée du temps du Shah,avec les firmes partenaires et les produits qui resultent de ces cooperations
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Passant au systéme AA produite en Iran : Mersad MRM ( Hawk XXI ) http://www.raytheon.com/businesses/rtnwcm/groups/public/documents/content/rtn_bus_ids_prod_hawkxxi_pdf.pdf
c'est le version du Hawk XXI, mais avec quelques différences, principalement : Non POR ( Range Only Radar ) qui a était le AN/MPQ-51 dans les version intérieur .. mais avec l'ajout d'un PAR ( Pulse Acquisition Radar ) Il utilise des missile Shahin ( Hawk ) d'une portée de 40Km, la prodution en masse de ce systéme a commencé depuis Avril dernier
HPIR sans Antenne :
HPIR ( AN/MPQ 61 .. pour suivre et engager )
PAR ( AN/MPQ50 .. portée de 100Km ) pour la détection
CWAR (AN/MPQ 62 .. pour la détéction et la suivie )
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Shahab Thaqeb c'est la version chinoise du Crotale français, nommé aussi HQ-7
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Sayad-1 & Sayad-1(A) qui n'est d'autre que la version chinoise du SA-2, le HQ-2
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Misagh-1 c'est le systéme chinois nommé QW-1
Test du Misagh1, mais aussi du Misagh2 avec ses équipes motocyclé
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Gareh ( Qareh ) version upgardé du S-200, avec une portée de 256 Km
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l'Iran produit aussi différent cannon AA allant de 23mm jusqu'à 100mm, dont celui là : ZU-23-2 avec MANPAD :
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On dit aussi que l'Iran produit des HQ-9 .. mais c'est n'est pas encor sûr !!
oui je j'arrive a concevoir tout le travail gigantesque que les iranien font mais faute de moyen ils devraient se concentrer sur des programme a forte valeur stratégique comme les missiles les drones et les moyens de détection radar et autres c'est le plus important au lieu de claqué l'argent sur les vehicule blindé et autre qui couteraient moins cher a produire sous licence a la rigueur au lieu d'en inventer
L'armée iranienne compte 500 000 soldats! Donc s'il ne font pas une indusitrie militaire capable de fournir l'armée en armes d'assualts, mortiers, artillerie, MBT, Blindés de tous genre... C'est pas la peine de délopper des drones, les moyens de detections radar... et tout ce que tu appelle programme stratégique.
Les iraniens sont d'excellents stratèges, et ils ont compris ça.Ils ont commencé par les priorités avant de passer à des des niveau d'armement qualitativement plus important... Equiper une armée c'est comme bâtir un immeuble, on ne peut pas bâtir le deuxième étage avant de bâtir le premier
Demande à un soldat qu'est ce qu'il préfère, qu'il soit équipé d'un fusil national et munition nationale, comme ça il est sûr d'avoir la munition quand il faut, là où il faut, et en quantité suffisante... où qu'il soit équipé d'un drone national! Tu vas me dire qu'un drone c'est important, ça fait de la reco, ça appuie les troupes, ça fait du CAS.... l'effet mode quoi! mais sois sûr que si tu es soldat tu préfèreras un fusil et être sur que tu auras toujours des munitions et que tu ne dépendras pas de l'étrager pour pouvoir tirer du 5,56 ou 7,62... d'abord! et après vient tout le rest.
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In his news conference on Sunday, IRGC Commander Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ali “Aziz” Jafari told reporters that Iran has produced a new generation of unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), named ‘Shahed 129’ capable of 24-hour non-stop flight.
“Shahed 129, which can carry out combat and reconnaissance missions with its 24-hour nonstop flight capability, is IRGC’s latest achievement in this field,” Gen. Jafari said.
IRGC commander added that Shahed 129 is armed with Sadid missiles that can hit “long-distance” targets. (ISNA, 17 September)
In August 2010, Iran unveiled domestically manufactured long-range Karrar Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV). Karrar is a 4-meter long Jet-powered drone reportedly capable of delivering a military payload on bombing missions against ground targets, with a 1,000 KM range and a maximum speed of approximately 1000 kph. The specifications of the new Shahed 129 and its differences with Karrar have not been made public.
Photo credit: The photo reportedly of the launch of Shahed 129 drone. (Fars News Agency)
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Inanç Genelkurmay Başkanı
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voila c'est ce que je disais !!!! donc développement basé sur le crotale français pas qu'une simple ressemblance la plateforme a besoin d’être retravaillée par contre !!!
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''The Iranian Air Defence Industries Group of the Aerospace Industries Organisation Ya-zahra Project has succeeded in developing a reverse-engineered R440 missile version of the then French Thomson-CSF Airsys (now Thales France) Crotale system, parts of which were stated to have been captured from Iraq during the 1980 to 1988 Iran/Iraq War. It is also believed that, as Iran has a number of Chinese-supplied FM-80 (Chinese Feimeng-80 - Flying Midge-80) systems and, possibly, follow-on FM-90 systems. Technology derived from those systems may have been used in the Ya-zahra Project.''