222 Abrams M1A1 SA for Morocco

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Moroccan officers experience US tanks

FORT HOOD, Texas-- Moroccan army officers visited 1st Bn., 8th Cav. Regt. during a field exercise on Fort Hood, Texas, Sept. 21

tout ca on le sait deja qu´on le cherche depuis 2006 en EDA,pas la peine de trier les passages,poste tout simplement le lien ou passe ton chemin

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/03/07RABAT576.html#

Yakuza a écrit:

tout ca on le sait deja qu´on le cherche depuis 2006 en EDA,pas la peine de trier les passages,poste tout simplement le lien ou passe ton chemin

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/03/07RABAT576.html#

Wow I didn't know the eurofighter was another choice.

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General Dynamics' CEO Discusses Q1 2012 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
April 25, 2012

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Additional award opportunities that may happen this year but are not integral to our 2012 results include selection to compete in the next phase of the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, JLTV, competition; additional Stryker Double-V Hull vehicles; a new LAV and tank export programs for an array of international customers, including nearly 200 tanks for Morocco.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/527561-general-dynamics-ceo-discusses-q1-2012-results-earnings-call-transcript

An Interview with GD's CEO let us know that Abrams still under negotiations??? Awwaaaah!!!

bonne trouvaille Tab,ca confirme le tableau de novembre 11 qui parlait de 200,ca veut dire qu´on negocie hard et que c´est pending.
je suppose qu´on veut 100 de ANAD et monter 100 a l´Esmat..

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May 23, 2012, Wednesday
In the U.S., an ongoing debate around the future purchase of MBT M1 «Abrams"
TSAMTO, May 23. U.S. Army Command convince U.S. lawmakers that the assembly line MBT M1 «Abrams' may continue for the next few years without the acquisition of additional funding by Congress for the U.S. Army tanks.
Experts estimate that the U.S. Army, Joint Center for production of armored vehicles (JSMC) of "General Dynamics", better known as the Army Tank Plant in Lima, may continue to function and retain qualified personnel, without placing orders in the near future for the U.S. Army. Congressmen, for their part, insist that the more appropriate is to continue funding for the program MBT "Abrams".

According to Lieutenant General William Phillips, the line can operate on the orders received under the "Foreign military sales," including MBT for Sun Saudi Arabia and Egypt, and by modernizing the Saudi and Israeli armored vehicles.

In an interview with "Jane's Defence Weekly," the general said that another contract under the "Foreign military sales," "under discussion", but did not name the customer and the due date of the signing of the agreement.

According to U.Filipsa, orders under the program "Foreign military sales" will load the line to the FY 2015 and prior to that date does not make sense to order MBT "Abrams" for the U.S. Army.

Command of the Army, for its part, considers it expedient to renew the orders in FY 2017 within the project of modernization ECP (engineering change proposals).

U.S. Army after the last delivery of the contract for the upgraded MBT in the program SEP «Abrams" did not intend to order additional XBTs in the near future. However, some legislators insisted on the continuation of production and modernization of the MBT M1A1 M1A2 version of SEP (for operations in populated areas) to transfer them to the U.S. Army Reserve and National Guard.

Parliamentarians are not sure that orders for the program "Foreign military sales" will load the line, as foreign orders are not guaranteed.

According to them, this will avoid the stop line and, consequently, loss of time and financial costs of its reopening in the future for new MBT. In addition, the suspension orders from the U.S. Army could be affected providers of the second and third level.

Lt. Gen. U.Filips, for its part, believes that instead of funding the delivery of additional tanks, the preferred option is to increase allocations for research for improvements as part of a MBT "Abrams' new generation.

http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/mainnews/2012/0523/100213018/detail.shtml

le contrat marocain,entre autres,est vital pour la chaine Lima,tjs pending..

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Published: 6/17/2012
Lima tank plant faces risk of 3-year production hiatus
BY TYREL LINKHORN
BLADE BUSINESS WRITER

LIMA, Ohio -- Tipping the scales at nearly 70 tons and sporting a sinister 120mm cannon, the M1 Abrams tank is a core weapon in the U.S. military's formidable ground force.

The battle tank is also the foundation for hundreds of jobs in Lima at General Dynamics Corp. Land Systems' Joint Systems Manufacturing Center, the only place on Earth where workers build and refurbish the Abrams. But the program and the jobs it supports are again at risk, sparking a fight that has aligned Congress, General Dynamics, and Lima-area officials against the White House, the Army brass, and the Pentagon's bean counters.

For the second year in a row, the Army's budget request has included nothing for building new or upgrading existing Abrams tanks. And for the second year in a row, Congress is trying to give the program millions of dollars anyway.

It's not that the Abrams, which entered service in 1980, is obsolete. Far from it, in fact. Defense experts still consider it among the top tier -- if not the best -- of battle tanks in the world. It's so good that the Army intends to use upgraded variants of the tank until at least 2050. But for now, the Army says its orders have been filled and the current tank fleet is up to date to current specifications.

The Army originally wanted to idle its Abrams orders from 2013 until 2017, when it plans to unveil its next-generation Abrams tank. However, Congress approved $255 million last year that gave General Dynamics work to upgrade 46 tanks. The Pentagon has again this year requested no additional funding for the Abrams until 2017, meaning U.S. orders would dry up in June, 2014.

Plant supporters say that plan softens national defense, costs the Army more money than it saves, and harms the industrial base and supply chain.

"It makes no sense to stop a program for four years and start it up in 2017," Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D., Toledo) said. "That is a draconian cut, and it essentially kills all the suppliers that create the supply chain in tank production. The accountants don't really care about that, so Congress has to look at the impact on the over-ground system and try to make other changes in the budget that yield the same result but without killing one of the Army's key programs."

Miss Kaptur's 9th District doesn't include the tank plant, but she is a member of the House Appropriations Defense subcommittee and has lent heavy support to the facility.

Specialized workers

As recently as three years ago, the plant, which also builds Stryker armored vehicles, employed about 1,250 people.

After 200 layoffs this year, that number is down to about 840. It's expected to shrink more this year as work slows.

"These are very good-paying, highly skilled jobs," Lima Mayor David Berger said. "It's a significant employer with a demand for skill sets that would not be in demand at other locations because of the uniqueness of their product. You don't go to school and get a degree in building Abrams tanks. You get your experience, your expertise, in actually building them."

Mr. Berger and others worry that laid-off workers, unable to find work that suits their skills in Lima, 75 miles south of Toledo, would leave town. They argue retraining workers after a three-year lull would be costly in time and money.

A pause in production would hurt the Abrams' roughly 880 suppliers, many of which General Dynamics says are small companies.

Bob Block, the owner of Block Industrial Service Inc. in the Toledo suburb of Northwood, supplies tooling to the Lima plant.

"I would classify them as a very good customer," he said. "They would be an 'A' category customer. If something would happen that they would close the plant, it wouldn't be a catastrophe, but we see them as a very good customer. They buy regularly, two or three times a week, and they pay well."

Mr. Block's firm supplies tooling to several machine shops in the region that make parts for the plant. Many of those shops, he said, would be endangered by an Abrams shutdown.

"Those machine shops, that's another story. They have skilled people, tool-and-die makers and programmers for CNC machines, and it's hard to find those people. That would be a problem for the machine shops in the area."

General Dynamics and the military estimate shutting down the plant would cost between $600 million and $800 million. But while the Army projects reopening the plant would cost about $400 million, General Dynamics estimates the cost would be nearly $1 billion.

That's a bill Mr. Berger thinks the Pentagon would be unwilling to pay.

"We believe it will become so expensive to restart, it won't be restarted, and instead those capabilities will be re-established somewhere else," he said.

Foreign customers

Ashley Givens, a spokesman for the U.S. Army, said the army isn't "shutting down" the Lima plant. Rather, the Army is focusing on tank modernization and foreign military sales.

"This production 'pause' of U.S. tanks will allow the Army to focus its limited resources on the development of the next generation Abrams tank instead of building more of the same M1A2 SEPv2 tanks that have exceeded their space, weight, and power limits," Ms. Givens said in a statement to The Blade.

The Army says military sales to countries such as to Saudi Arabia and Egypt should provide enough orders to keep the line running. No one is arguing against those foreign military sales, but lawmakers and others caution against relying on them.

"We're fine with the sales. We just want to make sure the Army doesn't rely on them to keep production going because of the potential interruption," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D., Ohio). "The volatility of it can go up and can go down, and we need to have something more reliable than that."

Donald Kotchman, vice president of the heavy brigade combat team at General Dynamics Land Systems, said the company has a contract with Saudi Arabia that would ensure work through early 2014. Negotiations for more orders with Saudi Arabia and other countries are ongoing.

"I don't want to overplay or underplay the situation," Mr. Kotchman said. "There is [an] order for Morocco that we have reason to believe will occur; we just don't know when the timing of that will be. What we're trying to do is balance the minimum sustainment rate with enough domestic work to sustain capability across the industrial base -- Lima and the suppliers -- to bridge the gap until the modernization program ... occurs in 2017."

Bipartisan support

Though the Abrams program isn't a current Pentagon priority, it has found significant bipartisan support from Congress. The House version of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act included $181 million for the Abrams program -- enough to build about 30 tanks. The Senate version included $91 million for the Abrams.

Aside from Mr. Brown, the plant may have no greater champion than Republican Rep. Jim Jordan, whose 4th District includes Lima.

"Things look much more positive now than they did a few months ago," Mr. Jordan said. "But to be realistic, the process is not over, and in this business you never know how it's going to shake out until its done, the bill has been passed through both houses, and the President has his signature on it."

That signature might prove difficult to obtain.

The House approved $643 billion for defense, an amount the White House's Office of Management and Budget says would violate the Budget Control Act of 2011. That could lead to the President vetoing the bill, officials say.

Though Mr. Jordan emphasizes that he cares about jobs in his district, he has built a reputation as a budget hawk and a big supporter of national defense.

Asked about the impact to Lima's economy, he gives a quick response about the importance of jobs before doubling down on the defense angle.

"First and foremost, the one thing that Congress is supposed to spend taxpayer money on ... is defense of the country. Part of national defense is tanks. While there's jobs and all that is important -- I understand that -- we should make decisions based on the best interest of the nation, not [congressional] districts, and in the best interest is a strong national defense. Included in that is tanks."

Lima mainstay

Tanks have been part of Lima's rich industrial history since World War II, when the Army established a depot about three miles south of the city's downtown square. At its war-time peak, the plant employed more than 5,000 people.

The site remains U.S. government property, with defense contractor General Dynamics Corp. the current operator.

If Lima loses the Abrams, it is unclear what the future would be for the plant.

As long as General Dynamics had enough work through its other programs and foreign sales, work would go on.

Asked about the future of the plant, Mr. Kotchman said: "We will continue to work on efficiencies within the facility to try to position ourselves as best we can for the business we know we have, and then beyond that it's unpredictable. If the plans come in as projected, then there's still a future for Lima."

As for a weakening of American's defense capabilities, Nelson Fisk, a senior aerospace and defense analyst with IHS, doesn't see it.

"I don't think it's as grave as people think. We're not going to lose our ability to produce a tank. I think General Dynamics could produce a tank even if there was a delay of three years and it was shut down to zero. I don't think that's going to happen, though."

The military is reducing its presence in Afghanistan, and the face of war has shifted from tank-on-tank battles.

Mr. Fisk says one reason the Army has been adamant -- at least publicly -- that it doesn't want any Abrams funding is because they are trying to divert as much money as they can to a project called the Ground Combat Vehicle, which is being developed.

Still, Mr. Fisk doesn't see them leaving money on the table.

"I see them compromising, because the Army is going to have difficulty saying 'no way, we're not taking one dime more.' "

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2012/06/17/Lima-tank-plant-faces-risk-of-3-year-production-hiatus.html

reformez enfin cette maudite caisse de compensation

Ben,ca craint avec la crise en cours et c'est tout a fait normal qu'ils fassent 2 calculs.

la bonne nouvelle est que pour notre compte c'est tjrs en programme...et ça me suffit !.

c'est pas la caisse de compensation le problème, même s'ils l’enlèvent carrément il vont pas destiner ces fonds pour le budget militaire, mais soit pour augmenter les investissements afin de créer de nouveaux emplois, soit pour soutenir la partie pauvre du peuple avec une stratégie de ciblage, l'espoir qu'a le Maroc d’améliorer sa situation budgétaire (surtout au niveau militaire) c'est d’espérer trouver du pétrole et du gaz, et avec de grandes quantités, sinon il faut pas s'attendre a un grand changement...

allah o akbar wa lilah al Hamd

200 M1A1 à 1MM$

Bien vu Yaku pour Lima

2 brigades Blindées...

Le meilleur MBT d'afrique, par contre le plus couteux à mettre en oeuvre...

Allah ou Akbar, depuis le temps que on l'attendait

Excellente nouvelle,y a si longtemps qu on t attend mon cher ABRAMS,200 +Package pour 1MM $.Bien joué les FAR.

Là, il va vraiment falloir trouver du pétrole les gars (en rapport avec sa grosse consommation).

Dans ce lien on parle de l'upgrad SA à Anniston

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Some capabilities unique to the SA/ED model include the armor enhancements, remote thermal sight and the tank infantry phone. Aside from the monitoring and sensor technology inserted into the tank's situation awareness system, Soldiers will take advantage of the latest AGT-1500 engine upgrades and the tank urban survivability kit, or TUSK.

Artillery repairer Von Boykins has been testing M1 turrets for three years and said though there is little difference between the SA/ED model and other M1 variants, "the biggest difference is the updated sights."

http://www.army.mil/article/17811/armys-saed-m1-variant-built-at-anniston/

désolé mon english isn't so good
si j'ai bien compris on aura les 200 abrams + des équipements ???? quels sorte d'équipements???? et on aura le tout dans combien de temps???

merci d'avance pour vos réponses

la classe !!!!!!

Enfin on les attendais aprés les F-16, voila les Abrams !
l'une des dernières version en plus

a l'Est le réveil sera dure demain matin...

PS: il l'ont envoyer au Congré le 27 avril et c'est maintenant qu'il le disent ?

Si quelqu un peut nous poster une belle photo d un Abrams MIAI Spéciale Armure pour se rincer un peu l oeil et féter cette aqcuisition.
Merci .

On peut présumer que les notres seront proche des M1A1 Australiens, du fait que les établissements d'Anniston et Lima s'occupaient de l'upgrad AIM

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3203.html

Donc ca ressemble à ca :

oui c'est la même version que les australiens et des iraquiens, les notre auront certainement un camo maison

sur le document que vous avez partager ( thanks by da way) on voit que le package comprend un peu tout mais on parle pas de moteurs supplémentaires ou de rechanges ?
on sait bien la faiblesse des turbine des Abrams "SAAND "


belle acquisitionen tout cas

al hamdoulillah, enfin ça se concrétise
j'avais vu juste alors par rapport au prix
https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/t3332p615-suppositions-futurs-achats-des-fra
mabrouk 3lina les amis

m3alemmm je t aime ignacio je t aime beaucoup