F-16 around the world

Rappel du premier message :

l'AS a des AIM-120C

ici les scénarios svp

https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/guerres-et-conflits-a-travers-lage-f15/far-vs-anppolisario-t2915-75.htm#115111

FAMAS a écrit:

on a pas encore l'IAF pour pénetrer en profondeur dans un territoire avec couverture radar et dca dense, il faudra aligner plus d'une 100 de vipers avec des moyens Elint, Aew considérables
d'ailleurs ça sera pour quel objectif?....

Je ne le disais pas ironiquement, je te donnais raison, ton objection est juste !

Citation :

Lockheed's F-16 shows resilience as Oman is interested in buying more
Posted Wednesday, Aug. 04, 2010
By Bob Cox



Lockheed Martin will someday build the last F-16 fighter jet at its Fort Worth plant, but that day is still years away.

Lockheed could be close to landing another foreign order for F-16s after the Defense Department notified Congress on Tuesday that the government of Oman requested permission to negotiate to buy 18 planes, weapons and other equipment worth about $3.5 billion.

It would be Oman's second F-16 purchase after taking delivery of the first of 12 in August 2005.

Just a year ago Lockheed's F-16 order backlog was down to about 80 planes, and production was slated to end in 2012. But late last year, Egypt and Morocco each ordered 24 planes, extending the production line another year.

"I think we're into 2013, and 18 F-16s for Oman would extend the line until summer of 2014," Lockheed spokesman Joe Stout said. The F-16 order backlog was 81 planes at the end of June.

The Oman deal still faces several hurdles. Congress has 30 days to veto the proposed sale. If that does not occur, the U.S. government would extend a formal offer to sell planes to Oman. Once that offer is accepted, Oman and Lockheed would negotiate terms of a sale.

The Block 50/52 model aircraft Lockheed is now building and delivering to most foreign customers is essentially on a par with the latest aircraft operated by the U.S. Air Force.

In addition to the 18 planes, at cost of $60 million each, Oman would purchase weapons systems, radars, navigation and other electronics systems. It would also get upgraded components for its 12 existing F-16s.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which handles controlled weapons sales, said in its message to Congress that the proposed sale would not upset the military balance of power in the Middle East and would enable Oman to cooperate with U.S. and allied forces.

Lockheed delivered 31 F-16s last year. It is building about two a month, with 11 delivered in the first six months of 2010.

Teal Group aerospace analyst Richard Aboulafia said it's conceivable that F-16 production could extend beyond 2015 or well beyond if a couple of large deals are consummated.

"If you adjust [the price] for inflation, the F-16 is an incredibly good deal," he said.

Lockheed is pressing India to select the F-16 for an order of 126 multirole fighters the nation has been considering buying in a drawn-out procurement process. Taiwan would like to buy 66 new model F-16s, but both the Bush and Obama administrations have refused for fear of upsetting China.

Sales of the F-35 joint strike fighter were supposed to have sealed the fate of the F-16, but years of delays and soaring cost estimates could keep the F-16 production line going.

"The most interesting thing is Israel. Given the sticker shock they seem to be having about the F-35, they could decide to opt for a high-low mix of some F-35s and more F-16s," Aboulafia said.

He said Israel and other F-16 owners could decide to buy some additional jets over the next several years to replace their oldest planes.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08/04/2384492/lockheeds-f-16-shows-resilience.html

Il a été dis lors de ce débat que les f-16 avait perdu au fil du temps de leur agilité a cause du poid des réacteurs, et probablement aussi à cause du poids des CFT. Le F-16 serait donc moins bon en dog fight. Il y a donc un besoin vitale en JHMCS. J'ai parcouru le sujet dotation de nos f-16 et il est parfois dis que nous les avons acheté et parfois il est dit que nous n'en avons pas acheté ... ou est la vérité.

Merci

-si ils sont inclus.
negatif pour l´agilité,il n´a rien perdu pour son agilité,tout kilo qui ete ajouté au cours de sont histoire a ete compensé par plus de poussé sur le moteur suivant,sa T/W de memoire doit etre vers 1,12..donc il est un tjs un tres bon dogfighter,et avec le JHMCS c´est encore mieux.
les CFT ont une influence negligeable sur l´aerodynamique,selon les tests.

ready a écrit:

Il a été dis lors de ce débat que les f-16 avait perdu au fil du temps de leur agilité a cause du poid des réacteurs, et probablement aussi à cause du poids des CFT. Le F-16 serait donc moins bon en dog fight.
Merci

Négatif!
Il a été dit qu'au fil des années il a pris du poids mais ça a été compensé par l'augmentation de poussée pour préserver l'agilité, plus précisement c'était en réponse à ton hypothèse comme quoi l'augmentation de la poussée c'est pour augmenter la vitesse, j'ai alors répondu que l'augmentation c'est pour compenser la perte d'agilité que pourrait provoquer le gain de poids, c'est à dire qu'en fin de compte l'agilité à été preservée car le gain de poids est compensé par l'augmentationd e poussée...


Décidement il faut désormais tout détailler à la virgule près Elle était pourant claire la réponse, pas détaillée mais claire.

Autant pour moi je n'avais pas saisi la nuance ... C'est tout à fait clair à présent.

la prise d'air du f-16 a plusieurs modèles ou une seule standard ?

Je me souviens de deux photo posté par yakuza ou l'on distingue bien deux f-16 avec deux entrées d'air différentes en fonction des différents réacteurs qui équipe l'avion ( l' une plus grosse et l'autre plus petite).

voyons Jad on a deja traité ca maintes fois.

moteur PW=small mouth(en haut)
moteur GE=big mouth (en bas)

est ce qu'il y'a un different de puissance de reacteur pour cela ?

aghliass a écrit:

est ce qu'il y'a un different de puissance de reacteur pour cela ?

au plus le reacteur est puissant au plus il a besoin e recevoir plus d'air

Tres belle photo yakusa.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/farnborough/briefings/assets/2010-fas-f-16-radars-briefing.pdf

Briefing sur les radars du F-16 lors de farnborough. (J'espere que ca pas ete posté). Jolie SAR du V9

vont vivre plus longtemps les F16 usafiens,ils vont tester 12000h au lieu des 8000

Citation :

DATE:08/12/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Fatigue test plots F-16 future for USAF
By Stephen Trimble

Lockheed Martin has received a US Air Force F-16 Block 50 fighter set aside to undergo a three-year series of fatigue life tests that will play a major role in deciding the fate of hundreds of similar aircraft.

Over the next 15 years, the USAF inventory is projected to dip as much as 10% below the required threshold of 2,000 fighters. As a result, service officials are considering extending the service life of as many as 300 F-16s by as much as 50%, to 12,000 flight hours.

But first the USAF must find out how much service life remains among the roughly 1,130 F-16s currently in service, and what repairs are required to keep some of the aircraft flying.

Lockheed plans to start the three-year, continuous testing process that will log the equivalent of about 24,000h of flight time on the airframe.

"The USAF is about to put us under contract," says Bill McHenry, director of F-16 business development.

Air force officials have not been eager to invest in prolonging the F-16, but the original vision to transfer to an all-stealth fleet before 2030 has been overtaken by events. Capping production of Lockheed F-22s at 187 aircraft has forced the USAF to spend $900 million to equip 176 Boeing F-15Cs with the Raytheon APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array radar.

With the Lockheed F-35A's entry into service delayed to at least 2016, the "ageing F-16 fleet may be required to remain in service longer than currently planned", according to an August report by the US Government Accountability Office.

McHenry, however, believes the structural modifications for F-16s were an inevitable step in the transition from fourth-generation fighters to the F-22 and F-35.

"The USAF is coming forth and dispelling the myth that says 'I'm going to get rid of my fourth-generation airplanes tomorrow'," McHenry says. "It's going to take a long period of time to transition to an all fifth-generation fleet."

In a report submitted by the USAF to Congress earlier this year, buying all-new F-16s was practically ruled out. The air force estimated that a service life extension programme of existing F-16s would be cheaper by 80-85%.

The USAF is considering more than structural upgrades for the F-16s. Both Raytheon and Northrop Grumman are offering to retrofit the type with AESA sensors - the Raytheon active combat radar (RACR) and the selectable agile beam radar (SABR).

"They have their opinion of how easy and hard it is to put their AESA in the airplane. Well, we have our own opinion," McHenry says.

If some F-16s are preserved, the USAF also may consider other sensor upgrades, including the integration of an infrared search and track sensor and digital radar warning system. Many of the same upgrades have been approved already for the F-15, but McHenry questions whether preserving more F-16s would save money.

"It makes the most sense to extend the life of the airplane that costs less to operate," he says. "If the aircraft is a bridge to something, you ought to make sure you're bridging with an airplane that's not costing you an arm or leg."

ont pourra faire le plein des F-16 ou c est juste les CFT qui peuvent etre ravitaillé au panier

le fuel passe dans la plomberie de tout l´avion

https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/t946p480-f-16-around-the-world

j avais loupé l info,

chokrane