Armée Chinoise / People's Liberation Army (PLA)

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J-7 Fishbed


J-8 Finback

J-9 / FC-1

J-10


J-11 Flanker/Su-27


J-12

JH-7


Su-30MKK


JL-8


JL-9

L-15 Falcon


Yunshu-7

Yunshu-8


Mi-17 Hip

S-70 Blackhawk

SA-342L Gazelle

WZ-9

Z-11

Ka-27

SA 321/Z-8

WZ-10

Yakuza a écrit:

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Les Etats-Unis aimeraient que la Chine explique pourquoi elle a besoin de porte-avions, a annoncé mercredi soir à Washington la porte-parole du Département d'Etat américain, Victoria Nuland.

je reve ou quoi
vivent de leur argent et veulent les garder encore en tiers-monde
pourquoi pas le demander a UK ou l´espagne?

les chinois raflent la mise dans a peu pres tous les domaines depuis un bout de temps et les americains n'aiment pas perdre au poker...

Yakuza a écrit:

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Les Etats-Unis aimeraient que la Chine explique pourquoi elle a besoin de porte-avions, a annoncé mercredi soir à Washington la porte-parole du Département d'Etat américain, Victoria Nuland.

je reve ou quoi
vivent de leur argent et veulent les garder encore en tiers-monde
pourquoi pas le demander a UK ou l´espagne?

Je crois que les US et la RPC se prechauffent pour 2012

D'abord la provocation chinoise sur le downgrade, exigeat de mettre les depenses US sous surveillance internatioanle et surtout recommendent aux US de couper leur budget militaire.

Maintenant les US qui reclament des explications ridicules, certes, mais qui sont du meme acabit (anti-souverainte et provocante).

La Chine est tres consciente qu'une grande part de sa puissance tiens au prestige qu'elle cherche a consolider ou acquerir la ou il manque. Prestige qui servira de capital pour la guerre de l'information/propagade/capital sympathie. Elle est arrivee a "dissimuler" sa propre crise d'inflation et de chomange montant durant le plus dur de la recession tandis que tous les projecteurs etaient sur l'Ouest.

2012 va etre decidement interessante

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Le porte-avions chinois Shi Lang peut-être opérationnel dans cinq ans

La Chine vient de faire naviguer discrètement son premier porte-avions, le Shi Lang. Comme c’est classique en Chine, ce nouvel outil militaire est moins destiné à conduire des opérations lointaines qu’à renforcer la pression sur l’île nationaliste de Taïwan, dont Pékin réclame la possession. Le nom de ce navire est d’ailleurs explicite : l’amiral Shi Lang (1621-1696) était le commandant de la flotte mandchoue qui a conquis l’île de Taïwan en 1681. Pour mettre cette nouvelle arme chinoise en perspective, nous avons interrogé l’un des meilleurs spécialistes mondiaux de l’arme navale, Bernard Prézelin. La dernière édition de sa bible des marines de guerre, Flottes de combat, remonte à mars 2008. La nouvelle mouture de cet ouvrage est attendue pour novembre 2011.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article25468.html

Je crois que Bernard Pézelin avait raison, d'ici 5ans le Shi Lang ne serait plus un outil d'entrainement ... seulement ! on prévoit un essais du J15 à bord aujourd'hui ou demain ils vont vraiment trop vite ces gens là !! ils ont excés de confiance pour les travaux qu'ils ont fait ...

l'article de xinhua affirme que l'entrée en service est prévu pour l'été 2012 !!

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China to start landing drills on aircraft carrier
(AFP) –
BEIJING — The Chinese military could launch air exercises on the nation's first aircraft carrier which was unveiled earlier this week, state media reported.

The manoeuvres could include aircraft approaching the ship, landing and then quickly taking off again, the Global Times newspaper said, citing a military source said to be closely involved with the landing drills.

The aircraft carrier embarked on its inaugural sea trial on Wednesday, prompting the United States to call for an explanation amid concerns about the nation's military expansion.

Beijing only recently confirmed it was revamping an old Soviet ship to be its first carrier and has sought to play down the vessel's capability, saying it will mainly be used for training and "research".

The Global Times report said that radio restrictions have been imposed in a maritime zone off the coast of the country's northest Liaoning province where the carrier is docked.

The planes being used for the drills are the Shenyang J-15, a Chinese version of Russia's Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker, it added.

The ministry of defence in Beijing refused to confirm if the exercises would take place on Saturday.

Copyright © 2011 AFP

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le voilà enfin

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Le premier porte-avions chinois prend la mer
Le premier porte-avions chinois est un ancien bâtiment ukrainien réarmé et modernisé. Acheté en 1998 il était destiné à être transformé en casino à Macao. Son réarmement, un temps secret, est vite devenu un secret de polichinelle.

Détenir un porte-avions est, pour la Chine, la façon de démonter ses ambitions dans un immense territoire maritime très disputé. Détenir un porte-avions n’est cependant pas tout, nous sommes loin d’un groupement aéronaval constitué.
Le porte-avions en question a bien pris la mer, mais l’eau de mer seulement car il est encore loin d’être opérationnel. Il lui faut pour cela, constituer un groupe naval d’accompagnement, ce qui n’est pas encore réalisé.
On murmure que la Chine ( secret de polichinelle) aurait, en construction, deux porte-avions supplémentaires ce qui démontre sa volonté d’agir sur les mers de la région (et d’ailleurs) de façon globale, avec un objectif de devenir une grande puissance navale. Cet objectif de multiplier sa puissance, la Chine l’accompagne par des augmentations significatives de budgets dans tous les domaines de la défense avec un bond budgétaire de plus de 70% en cinq ans.
Cette montée en puissance inquiète déjà le Japon, en proie à de grandes difficultés économiques et contraint de diminuer son budget défense de façon drastique.
Reste, pour équilibrer les forces navales de la région, les puissantes flottes US, seules flottes en capacité de rivaliser avec une Chine aux vues maritimes gourmandes. La parité ne sera pas atteinte avant une bonne dizaine d’années mais les Américains, devant trois groupements aéronavals chinois complets auront bien du souci à se faire.
Une des questions clés est quid de la formation des pilotes chinois ? Les centres de formation nécessitent des entraînements à bord de porte-avions et, à part les Américains, nulle nation ne possède ce genre de centre tout au plus une petite succursale comme les Français et les Britanniques tous formés à l’école de l’US navy d’ailleurs.
AAC

Varyag returns from first sea trial

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Is China’s Aircraft Carrier a Threat to U.S. Interests?

CSIS provides answers to key questions on China's new aircraft carrier

08:02 GMT, August 12, 2011 On August 10, 2011, China’s first aircraft carrier set sail from Dalian Port on its maiden voyage. Announcing the sailing, China’s Defense Ministry stated that the inaugural sea trial would be brief; some Hong Kong media have estimated the trial would last 15 days. The Liaoning Provincial Maritime Safety Administration issued a notice restricting vessels from traveling through an area between the northern Yellow Sea and Liaodong Bay from August 10 to 14. The unusually public announcement of the carrier’s sea trial stands in contrast to the secretive test flight of China’s first stealth fighter jet last January and its test of an antisatellite weapon in January 2007, and was welcomed by the Pentagon as a sign of greater transparency by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

The carrier, formerly called the Varyag, is a Soviet-era platform that China purchased from Ukraine without the engines, rudder, and much of the operating systems. The vessel was transported to Dalian in 2002 and began refitting. Despite widespread speculation and intelligence about the budding Chinese aircraft carrier program, China kept mum about developments until June 2011, when the chief of the General Staff of the PLA, Chen Bingde, confirmed China’s first carrier was under construction in an interview with the Hong Kong Commercial Daily. Chinese media have proposed that the ship be dubbed the Shi Lang, after a Qing dynasty admiral who conquered the Kingdom of Tungning (i.e., Taiwan) in 1681. There have as yet been no official statements from either the government or the military regarding the carrier’s name.


Q1: Why is China deploying an aircraft carrier?

A1: The acquisition of an aircraft carrier is driven in part by China’s desire for international prestige. The United States, United Kingdom, France, Russia, Spain, Italy, India, Brazil, and Thailand operate a total of 21 active-service aircraft carriers (the United States alone operates 11). An aircraft carrier is widely viewed by Chinese as a symbol of national power and prestige. PLA officers often remind foreigners that China is the only permanent member of the UN Security Council without a carrier.

At the same time, however, the procurement of the carrier is a consequence of an improved continental threat environment that has imposed constraints on China’s ability to develop sea power. It also represents expanded Chinese national interests created by deeper integration into the global economy. In the past decade, China’s trade dependence doubled from 40 percent in 2000 to 73 percent during the 2006–2008 period, with more than 80 percent of that trade carried by ship. Moreover, acquisition of a carrier will better enable the PLA to implement Hu Jintao’s 2004 “New Historic Missions” and respond to demands to undertake a range of nontraditional security operations.


Q2: What are the aircraft carrier’s capabilities?

A2: The ex-Varyag is an Admiral Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier, measuring roughly 304.5 meters long and 37 meters wide. The vessel has a displacement of 58,500 metric tons and can travel at speeds of 32 knots (37 miles per hour). Engines, generators and defense systems, including the Type 1030 CIWS (close-in weapon system) and the FL-3000N missile system, were added to the vessel in Dalian. As designed, it could be armed with 8 AK-630 AA (antiaircraft) guns, 8 CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS, 12 P-700 Granit SSM (surface-to-surface missiles), 18 8-cell 3K95 Kinzhal SAM VLS (surface-to-air missiles, vertical-launch system), and the RBU-12000 UDAV-1 ASW (antisubmarine warfare) rocket launcher. Also as designed, the carrier could carry 26 fixed-wing aircraft (likely the Shenyang J-15) and 24 helicopters.

The carrier is fitted with a “ski jump” ramp rather than the catapult used by U.S. carriers. The carrier’s smaller size and ramp greatly reduces the number of aircraft it can carry and how many it can operate at any one time. Additionally, in order to take off, the fighters will carry lighter payloads and less fuel, greatly limiting their firepower and range of operations. Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng stated that the ex-Varyag will be used for “scientific research, experiment and training.” Indeed, the carrier may not be well-suited to combat, but it will give China the opportunity to train sailors and pilots in aircraft carrier operations. Mastering the challenges of operating, defending, and maintaining a carrier, as well as a possible accompanying carrier task force, will take at least a decade.


Q3: How many carriers is China building, and for what missions might they be used?

A3: China is reportedly already building at least one if not two indigenous aircraft carriers, which are likely to be deployed over the next 15 years. At a July 11 press briefing, General Chen Bingde stated that no official decision had been made on how many carriers will be built. Experts have suggested that China would need at least three carriers for effective power projection.

The missions for which China might use aircraft carriers remain unclear. Rather than seek to replicate U.S. naval strategy and operations, the PLAN is more likely to develop a limited power-projection capability that enhances China’s ability to defend its regional interests; to protect expanding overseas interests; to perform nontraditional security missions such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counterpiracy, noncombatant evacuation, antiterrorism peacekeeping operations, crisis response, and military diplomacy; and to demonstrate international responsibility.


Q4: Do China’s aircraft carrier ambitions pose a threat to the United States and its friends and allies?

A4: Even after the ex-Varyag is fully operational, it is widely acknowledged that a lone, obsolete aircraft carrier has limited use militarily. The main functions in the near term will be to enhance China’s national prestige, provide personnel training, and conduct military diplomacy. The political impact of the carrier’s deployment will be potentially far greater, however. China’s neighbors, many of which are increasingly anxious about China’s military modernization and willingness to flex its muscles in disputed waters, are worried that a carrier will provide China with additional means to project power from its coastline. It will likely reinforce ongoing efforts by many regional countries to shore up their own capabilities.

In the South China Sea, where China competes with others over territorial claims, countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines are already ramping up their sea defense capabilities through greater military cooperation with the United States and procurement of new platforms to bolster their ability to defend their claims.

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PLAN destroyer family

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La Chine nie avoir examiné l'hélicoptère américain écrasé au Pakistan

http://www.20minutes.fr/ledirect/771152/chine-nie-avoir-examine-helicoptere-americain-ecrase-pakistan

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'Le Pakistan a permis à des ingénieurs chinois d'examiner l'épave d'un hélicoptère américain'

http://www.express.be/joker/fr/world/le-pakistan-a-permis-a-des-ingenieurs-chinois-dexaminer-lepave-dun-hlicoptere-amricain/150823.htm

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KJ-200 in service with PLA Navy » KJ200.PLAN

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"Le nationalisme chinois bloque tout règlement des contentieux actuels"

http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/article/2011/08/18/le-nationalisme-chinois-bloque-tout-reglement-des-contentieux-actuels_1560678_3216.html

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PLA marine brigade’s live-shell shooting proves equipment upgrading successful

a piece of news of success was received from the live-shell shooting range of a marine brigade under the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, reading that a total of 40-odd shells fired by five new-type amphibious self-propelled artilleries all scored direct hits.

According to a leader of the brigade, this is the first time for the brigade to conduct live-shell shooting after completing the information-based reconstruction of the artillery. The new command and control system effectively improved the artillery’s performance such as the reaction speed and calculation accuracy.

It is learned that the firing data of this type of artillery formerly needed long-time manual decipherment and transmission, prone to bungle the chance of winning a battle. Before the live-shell shooting this year, the brigade worked closely with the engineers of the equipment manufacturers and upgraded the command and control system of the artillery to an information-based one.

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Un amiral chinois dément que la Chine mette son porte-avions en service l’an prochain

Un amiral chinois a déclaré samedi que la Chine ne mettrait probablement pas en service prochainement son porte-avions, démentant les rumeurs que le bâtiment soit admis au service actif l’an prochain.

Le porte-avions, qui a été réparé et modernisé dans le port de Dalian depuis 2002 après que la Chine l’ait acheté à l’Ukraine, a effectué une sortie d’essais de 5 jours.

Le contre-amiral Zhang Zhaozhong, s’exprimant lors de la signature de son nouveau livre, a déclaré qu’il fallait du temps pour mettre en service un porte-avions, rappelant que la France avait mis 7 ans pour préparer son 1er porte-avions au service actif après ses essais à la mer.

Les médias chinois ont rapporté que le Varyag serait remis à la marine chinoise le 1er aout, jour de l’Armée Populaire de Libération, et mis en service vers le 1er octobre, jour de la fête nationale.

Zhang, spécialiste militaire, a démenti que l’armée chinoise ait de tels projets et a qualifié ces informations de rumeurs.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article25554.html

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La Chine aura les capacités d'avoir une armée moderne d'ici 2020, selon le Pentagone

http://www.20minutes.fr/ledirect/774800/chine-capacites-avoir-armee-moderne-2020-selon-pentagone

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La Chine projetterait d’acheter des missiles "Club" pour équiper ses sous-marins
http://www.corlobe.tk/article25578.html

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Un rapport du Pentagone fâche la Chine

http://www.rfi.fr/ameriques/20110825-le-rapport-pentagone-fache-chine

NON

c'est bien un awacs ?

on dirat une copie du hawkeye !! pour les AWACS la chine en possede deja.

Fremo des détails sur l'engin?