Sujet: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Mer 6 Mai - 18:36
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(commençons par le AN/ALE-47 qui équipera nos futurs vipers)
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The AN/ALE-47 is a countermeasures suite to protect rotary and fixed wing aircraft against missile threats. It is fully reprogrammable, computer-controlled and dispenses electronic and infrared decoys to blind incoming missile's seeker from its intended target.
The ALE-47 is an improved version of proven ALE-40 countermeasures dispenser. The system fits seamlessly into the full range of fighter and transport aircraft and helicopters.
The US Navy aircraft are the primary user platform related to the AN/ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser. The US Air Force and the US Army also have the ALE-47 countermeasures suite in its inventory protecting rotary and fixed wing aircraft.
The AN/ALE-47 TACDS countermeasures dispenser is the standard for new aircraft and retrofit of older ALE-39/-40/-45 dispenser systems. The M212 countermeasure flare produced by ATK under the Advanced Infrared Countermeasure Munitions (AIRCMM) program can be loaded in ALE-47.
The AN/ALE-47 is capable of carrying a mix of expendable countermeasures including expendable jammers. The hardware handles conventional chaff and flare decoys that are compatible with the previous generations of ALE-39 and ALE-40 dispensers, while supporting the new generation of "active" expendable decoys like POET and GEN-X. The AN/ALE-47 can also be used to dispense the new family of intel sensor and monitoring expendables.
The AN/ALE-47 is "Aircrew Selectable" and allows the crew to select any of three release modes: Fully Automatic, Semi Automatic & Manual Operation.
Fully Automatic: The dispenser system receives threat data from the aircraft's RWR sensor system, and then selects the appropriate response to the threat in terms of choices of 1) the type of expendable countermeasures to be employed, 2) the dispersal sequence and pattern, and then 3) when to dispense the selected expendable decoys. The AN/ALE-47 automatically downloads data to program active expendable decoys before the launch sequence.
Semi-Automatic: The dispenser system analyzes the threat data input, selects the best response and then provides a signal to the aircrew that the system is ready. The aircrew then initiates the release.
Manual Operation: The aircrew selects one of the six pre-programmed responses, in terms of quantities, sequences and types of expendables to be employed in order to produce the required decoy pattern to defeat the threat.
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Sujet: ASTAC Elint pod Sam 17 Mar - 19:27
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ASTAC Elint pod This combat-proven system is in service with France, Japan and the air forces of several other countries. Recording capabilities and datalinks for real-time interfaces with ground stations are available as options.
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Mar 20 Mar - 22:56
Un excellent article sur la guerre électronique ewh2008 merci à Mr.jad pour l'aide :balkom:
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Sam 12 Mai - 0:01
Pour continuer sur le thread Turquie Armee etc...
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Une bombe EMP , l'effet d'une bombe nucléaire sans les morts.
La rechrche porte probablement sur les EMP non nuc. Les EMP nuc sont connue depuis les annees 60, par ex Starfish Prime aux US
Selon les frequence ciblee certaines de ces bombes peuvent faire bouillir les personnes sur place. le pricnipe du fonctionnement du four a micro onde human edition...a ma conaissance officiellement ce genr d'engin est interdit (convention de geneve) mais face a une telle energie il n'y a pas moyen de filter efficacement ces frequences...
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Une machine électromagnétique de très courte portée a été développé par l'université Suleymen Demirel, cette machine est en cours de développement. Et intéresse l'industrie militaire. Une arme redoutable pouvant touchée une cible grâce aux ondes électromagnétiques qui détruit les composants électroniques de l'appareil.
Le but est de développer un système pouvant détruite tout système électronique. La SSM a un projet dans ce sens, un missile EMPS/HPMW pouvant être tirer à partir d'un drone ou par missile de croisière pour détruire les installations électroniques de l'ennemi.
C'est la Bombe E "electromagnetique" Les grandes puissance militaires mondiales la possede,sauf que les infrastructures et les forces militaires critiques des ces puissances sont proteger contre ce genre d'arme.
Je me suis interesse a cette arme voila dix ans,d'apres mes souvenirs cette arme sert a "punir" la population ennemie en mettant HS tous ce qui comporte un composant electronique,non proteger.
Voir aussi la police et les services d'urgences visé par cette arme,les armée modernes sont immuniser contre ce type d'arme.
Tout a fait d'accord Glaive. Mais a quel point un ppays peut-il se proteger contre ce genre d'armement?
Gauging The Threat Of An Electro-Magnetic Pulse Attack In The US
Over the past decade there has been an ongoing debate over the threat posed by electromagnetic pulse (EMP) to modern civilization. This debate has been the most heated perhaps in the United States, where the commission appointed by Congress to assess the threat to the United States warned of the dangers posed by EMP in reports released in 2004 and 2008. The commission also called for a national commitment to address the EMP threat by hardening the national infrastructure.
There is little doubt that efforts by the United States to harden infrastructure against EMP — and its ability to manage critical infrastructure manually in the event of an EMP attack — have been eroded in recent decades as the Cold War ended and the threat of nuclear conflict with Russia lessened. This is also true of the U.S. military, which has spent little time contemplating such scenarios in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union. The cost of remedying the situation, especially retrofitting older systems rather than simply regulating that new systems be better hardened, is immense. And as with any issue involving massive amounts of money, the debate over guarding against EMP has become quite politicized in recent years.
We have long avoided writing on this topic for precisely that reason. However, as the debate over the EMP threat has continued, a great deal of discussion about the threat has appeared in the media. Many STRATFOR readers have asked for our take on the threat, and we thought it might be helpful to dispassionately discuss the tactical elements involved in such an attack and the various actors that could conduct one. The following is our assessment of the likelihood of an EMP attack against the United States.
Defining Electromagnetic Pulse
EMP can be generated from natural sources such as lightning or solar storms interacting with the earth’s atmosphere, ionosphere and magnetic field. It can also be artificially created using a nuclear weapon or a variety of non-nuclear devices. It has long been proven that EMP can disable electronics. Its ability to do so has been demonstrated by solar storms, lightning strikes and atmospheric nuclear explosions before the ban on such tests. The effect has also been recreated by EMP simulators designed to reproduce the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear device and study how the phenomenon impacts various kinds of electrical and electronic devices such as power grids, telecommunications and computer systems, both civilian and military.
The effects of an EMP — both tactical and strategic — have the potential to be quite significant, but they are also quite uncertain. Such widespread effects can be created during a high-altitude nuclear detonation (generally above 30 kilometers, or about 18 miles). This widespread EMP effect is referred to as high-altitude EMP or HEMP. Test data from actual high-altitude nuclear explosions is extremely limited. Only the United States and the Soviet Union conducted atmospheric nuclear tests above 20 kilometers and, combined, they carried out fewer than 20 actual tests.
As late as 1962 — a year before the Partial Test Ban Treaty went into effect, prohibiting its signatories from conducting aboveground test detonations and ending atmospheric tests — scientists were surprised by the HEMP effect. During a July 1962 atmospheric nuclear test called “Starfish Prime,” which took place 400 kilometers above Johnston Island in the Pacific, electrical and electronic systems were damaged in Hawaii, some 1,400 kilometers away. The Starfish Prime test was not designed to study HEMP, and the effect on Hawaii, which was so far from ground zero, startled U.S. scientists.
High-altitude nuclear testing effectively ended before the parameters and effects of HEMP were well understood. The limited body of knowledge that was gained from these tests remains a highly classified matter in both the United States and Russia. Consequently, it is difficult to speak intelligently about EMP or publicly debate the precise nature of its effects in the open-source arena.
The importance of the EMP threat should not be understated. There is no doubt that the impact of a HEMP attack would be significant. But any actor plotting such an attack would be dealing with immense uncertainties — not only about the ideal altitude at which to detonate the device based on its design and yield in order to maximize its effect but also about the nature of those effects and just how devastating they could be.
Non-nuclear devices that create an EMP-like effect, such as high-power microwave (HPM) devices, have been developed by several countries, including the United States. The most capable of these devices are thought to have significant tactical utility and more powerful variants may be able to achieve effects more than a kilometer away. But at the present time, such weapons do not appear to be able to create an EMP effect large enough to affect a city, much less an entire country. Because of this, we will confine our discussion of the EMP threat to HEMP caused by a nuclear detonation, which also happens to be the most prevalent scenario appearing in the media.
Attack Scenarios
In order to have the best chance of causing the type of immediate and certain EMP damage to the United States on a continent-wide scale, as discussed in many media reports, a nuclear weapon (probably in the megaton range) would need to be detonated well above 30 kilometers somewhere over the American Midwest. Modern commercial aircraft cruise at a third of this altitude. Only the United States, United Kingdom, France, Russia and China possess both the mature warhead design and intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capability to conduct such an attack from their own territory, and these same countries have possessed that capability for decades. (Shorter range missiles can achieve this altitude, but the center of the United States is still 1,000 kilometers from the Eastern Seaboard and more than 3,000 kilometers from the Western Seaboard — so just any old Scud missile won’t do.)
The HEMP threat is nothing new. It has existed since the early 1960s, when nuclear weapons were first mated with ballistic missiles, and grew to be an important component of nuclear strategy. Despite the necessarily limited understanding of its effects, both the United States and Soviet Union almost certainly included the use of weapons to create HEMPs in both defensive and especially offensive scenarios, and both post-Soviet Russia and China are still thought to include HEMP in some attack scenarios against the United States.
However, there are significant deterrents to the use of nuclear weapons in a HEMP attack against the United States, and nuclear weapons have not been used in an attack anywhere since 1945. Despite some theorizing that a HEMP attack might be somehow less destructive and therefore less likely to provoke a devastating retaliatory response, such an attack against the United States would inherently and necessarily represent a nuclear attack on the U.S. homeland and the idea that the United States would not respond in kind is absurd. The United States continues to maintain the most credible and survivable nuclear deterrent in the world, and any actor contemplating a HEMP attack would have to assume not that they might experience some limited reprisal but that the U.S. reprisal would be full, swift and devastating.
Countries that build nuclear weapons do so at great expense. This is not a minor point. Even today, a successful nuclear weapons program is the product of years — if not a decade or more — and the focused investment of a broad spectrum of national resources. Nuclear weapons also are developed as a deterrent to attack, not with the intention of immediately using them offensively. Once a design has achieved an initial capability, the focus shifts to establishing a survivable deterrent that can withstand first a conventional and then a nuclear first strike so that the nuclear arsenal can serve its primary purpose as a deterrent to attack. The coherency, skill and focus this requires are difficult to overstate and come at immense cost — including opportunity cost — to the developing country. The idea that Washington will interpret the use of a nuclear weapon to create a HEMP as somehow less hostile than the use of a nuclear weapon to physically destroy an American city is not something a country is likely to gamble on.
In other words, for the countries capable of carrying out a HEMP attack, the principles of nuclear deterrence and the threat of a full-scale retaliatory strike continue to hold and govern, just as they did during the most tension-filled days of the Cold War.
Rogue Actors
One scenario that has been widely put forth is that the EMP threat emanates not from a global or regional power like Russia or China but from a rogue state or a transnational terrorist group that does not possess ICBMs but will use subterfuge to accomplish its mission without leaving any fingerprints. In this scenario, the rogue state or terrorist group loads a nuclear warhead and missile launcher aboard a cargo ship or tanker and then launches the missile from just off the coast in order to get the warhead into position over the target for a HEMP strike. This scenario would involve either a short-range ballistic missile to achieve a localized metropolitan strike or a longer-range (but not intercontinental) ballistic missile to reach the necessary position over the Eastern or Western seaboard or the Midwest to achieve a key coastline or continental strike.
When we consider this scenario, we must first acknowledge that it faces the same obstacles as any other nuclear weapon employed in a terrorist attack. It is unlikely that a terrorist group like al Qaeda or Hezbollah can develop its own nuclear weapons program. It is also highly unlikely that a nation that has devoted significant effort and treasure to develop a nuclear weapon would entrust such a weapon to an outside organization.
Any use of a nuclear weapon would be vigorously investigated and the nation that produced the weapon would be identified and would pay a heavy price for such an attack (there has been a large investment in the last decade in nuclear forensics). Lastly, as noted above, a nuclear weapon is seen as a deterrent by countries such as North Korea or Iran, which seek such weapons to protect themselves from invasion, not to use them offensively. While a group like al Qaeda would likely use a nuclear device if it could obtain one, we doubt that other groups such as Hezbollah would. Hezbollah has a known base of operations in Lebanon that could be hit in a counterstrike and would therefore be less willing to risk an attack that could be traced back to it.
Also, such a scenario would require not a crude nuclear device but a sophisticated nuclear warhead capable of being mated with a ballistic missile. There are considerable technical barriers that separate a crude nuclear device from a sophisticated nuclear warhead. The engineering expertise required to construct such a warhead is far greater than that required to construct a crude device. A warhead must be far more compact than a primitive device. It must also have a trigger mechanism and electronics and physics packages capable of withstanding the force of an ICBM launch, the journey into the cold vacuum of space and the heat and force of re-entering the atmosphere — and still function as designed. Designing a functional warhead takes considerable advances in several fields of science, including physics, electronics, engineering, metallurgy and explosives technology, and overseeing it all must be a high-end quality assurance capability. Because of this, it is our estimation that it would be far simpler for a terrorist group looking to conduct a nuclear attack to do so using a crude device than it would be using a sophisticated warhead — although we assess the risk of any non-state actor obtaining a nuclear capability of any kind, crude or sophisticated, as extraordinarily unlikely.
But even if a terrorist organization were somehow able to obtain a functional warhead and compatible fissile core, the challenges of mating the warhead to a missile it was not designed for and then getting it to launch and detonate properly would be far more daunting than it would appear at first glance. Additionally, the process of fueling a liquid-fueled ballistic missile at sea and then launching it from a ship using an improvised launcher would also be very challenging. (North Korea, Iran and Pakistan all rely heavily on Scud technology, which uses volatile, corrosive and toxic fuels.)
Such a scenario is challenging enough, even before the uncertainty of achieving the desired HEMP effect is taken into account. This is just the kind of complexity and uncertainty that well-trained terrorist operatives seek to avoid in an operation. Besides, a ground-level nuclear detonation in a city such as New York or Washington would be more likely to cause the type of terror, death and physical destruction that is sought in a terrorist attack than could be achieved by generally non-lethal EMP.
Make no mistake: EMP is real. Modern civilization depends heavily on electronics and the electrical grid for a wide range of vital functions, and this is truer in the United States than in most other countries. Because of this, a HEMP attack or a substantial geomagnetic storm could have a dramatic impact on modern life in the affected area. However, as we’ve discussed, the EMP threat has been around for more than half a century and there are a number of technical and practical variables that make a HEMP attack using a nuclear warhead highly unlikely.
When considering the EMP threat, it is important to recognize that it exists amid a myriad other threats, including related threats such as nuclear warfare and targeted, small-scale HPM attacks. They also include threats posed by conventional warfare and conventional weapons such as man-portable air-defense systems, terrorism, cyberwarfare attacks against critical infrastructure, chemical and biological attacks — even natural disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes, floods and tsunamis.
The world is a dangerous place, full of potential threats. Some things are more likely to occur than others, and there is only a limited amount of funding to monitor, harden against, and try to prevent, prepare for and manage them all. When one attempts to defend against everything, the practical result is that one defends against nothing. Clear-sighted, well-grounded and rational prioritization of threats is essential to the effective defense of the homeland.
Hardening national infrastructure against EMP and HPM is undoubtedly important, and there are very real weaknesses and critical vulnerabilities in America’s critical infrastructure — not to mention civil society. But each dollar spent on these efforts must be balanced against a dollar not spent on, for example, port security, which we believe is a far more likely and far more consequential vector for nuclear attack by a rogue state or non-state actor.
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Sam 12 Mai - 19:16
Aucun pays au monde n'est proteger contre ce genre d'arme on peut raisonablement penser qu'un pays X qui attaque un pays Y disposant d'arme nucleaire,recevera le feu nucleaire en retour.
Ce qui me fait dire que cette a a une efficassite limite au pays non nucleariser.
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Jeu 20 Déc - 11:44
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Cassidian electro-optics protects against laser-guided weapons
Munich, 19 December 2012
Laser beams disable enemy optical targeting systems with outstanding precision
Sensor with extremely high resolution guarantees exact detection of threats
Cassidian has developed an electronic defence system which, for the first time, will provide vehicles, ships and helicopters with reliable protection against laser-guided weapons. (c) Cassidian Cassidian, the defence and security division of EADS, has developed an electronic defence system which, for the first time, will provide vehicles, ships and helicopters with reliable protection against laser-guided weapons.
Cassidian, the defence and security division of EADS, has developed an electronic defence system which, for the first time, will provide vehicles, ships and helicopters with reliable protection against laser-guided weapons.
“The threat from lasers to armed forces on a mission is continuing to increase, because weapons such as laser-guided missiles or sniper rifles with laser targeting optics are widespread,” explains Elmar Compans, head of the Sensors & Electronic Warfare unit at Cassidian. “Through the combination of our many years of experience with laser warning sensors and the most varied defence lasers, as well as the use of commercially available components, we have succeeded in developing a uniquely effective, targeted countermeasure.”
The defence concept, which Cassidian has developed for the German procurement authority, is based on the so-called “dazzling” process, which means dazzling the targeting optics of the enemy missile with an eye-safe laser beam. Laser-guided missiles are guided to their targets by the marksman keeping the weapon station’s sight aimed at the target. The weapon station either sends control signals to the missile via laser, or it aims a laser beam itself at the target, whose reflections then guide the missile to its target. In both cases, the marksman can no longer track the target due to the dazzling beam so that the missile no longer receives any targeting information and shoots past the target. The most common countermeasure currently is to spray artificial fog.
Cassidian’s defence system uses special multispectral technology which is also effective against protective goggles. The use of an eye-safe laser is important to be able to use the system even in a civil environment, e.g. on board ships or helicopters in harbours or airports. This means that the dazzling is not associated with eye damage. Working together with the Luftwaffe Institute of Aviation Medicine, Cassidian has carried out a medicinal study and shown that the dazzle effect falls below the radiant flux density which is permissible for eyes. For protection to be effective, a threat must be quickly and precisely detected by a sensor with a very high directional resolution, which enables the precise targeting of the laser beam. Cassidian’s defence system has demonstrated its effectiveness during successful field tests at the Bundeswehr Technical Centre 81 in Greding. Further tests are to follow next year.
Cassidian is one of the world leaders in missile warning systems. The MILDS warning sensor (MILDS = Missile Launch Detection System, http://www.cassidian.com/en_US/web/guest/milds-an/aar-601), for example, with over 8,000 units sold, is the standard system for helicopters and mission aircraft.
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Mer 11 Fév - 15:47
Digital Radio Frequency Memory Technology & Techniques for EW: http://tangentlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/7.-Digital-Radio-Frequency-Memory-Technology-Techniques-for-EW-Robert-Andrews.pdf
DRFM as an Electronic Countermeasure for RADAR: http://www.hscott.net/DRFM.pdf
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Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Jeu 26 Avr - 15:18
Breaking Defense a écrit:
Russia Widens EW War, ‘Disabling’ EC-130s In Syria
GEOINT: The Compass Call is supposed to be one of America’s foremost electronic warfare weapons, but the EC-130s flying near Syria are being attacked and disabled “in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet,” the head of Special Operations Command said here today.
“Right now in Syria we are operating in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet from our adversaries. They are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down, disabling our EC-130s, etcetera,” Gen. Raymond Thomas told an audience of some 2,000 intelligence professionals.
While, for obvious reasons, we don’t know many details about the nature of the attacks on the EC-130s, we do know the Russians have done what one EW expert called a “good job” in several recent conflicts using EW. And the Russians are in force in Syria and provide most of the gear used by the Syrian military.
“The Russians have redone and reengineered their entire EW fleet in the last 20 years,” notes Laurie Moe Buckhout, a retired Army colonel who specializes in EW. After the Russians attacked Georgia, they concluded they needed to upgrade their EW capabilities, she says. “The Russians put in millions on upgrades after Georgia. They’ve ended up with killer capabilities, jamming in a multitude of frequencies for hundreds of kilometers.”
She also notes that the Russians may not have gone head to head against the EC-130s EW attack capabilities. They may have taken the much easier route of interfering with the Position, Navigation and Timing (PNT) or their communications gear, making it more difficult to fly the aircraft since crews would have had to rely on maps, line of sight and other techniques.
“The problem the EC-130s have is that, while they are jamming, the crews aren’t doing much else,” making them more vulnerable to attacks, she says. “They could have gone after the PNT or the comms.” The Russians “know all of our vulnerabilities.”
There are other problems US forces must cope with, says Loren Thompson, a well known defense consultant: “We’ve spent so much time fighting enemies in Southwest Asia who were technically unsophisticated that we are not up to speed on tactical electronic warfare.” Buckhout said Thompson has a point.
Saab teste actuellement une nacelle de guerre électronique baptisée Arexis. Ce pod pourra être emporté par des chasseurs pour des missions offensives de brouillage.
Saab s'est appuyé en partie sur le système de guerre électronique du Gripen E pour développer un pod de guerre électronique doté de capacités de brouillage et baptisé Arexis. Contenu dans une nacelle de 350 kg pouvant être emporté par un chasseur tel que le Gripen, le Typhoon ou le Rafale, le système Arexis pourrait devenir l'un des rares systèmes de brouillage qualifiés au sein de l'OTAN avec le Next Generation Jammer de Raytheon mais qui reste destiné à l'E/A-18G Growler.
Le système doit permettre à des chasseurs conventionnels d'effectuer des missions de brouillage des radars adverses et ainsi de protéger le reste des avions en vol. La particularité du système de Saab est de pouvoir brouiller les radars très basses fréquences en bande UHF et VHF grâce à des antennes adaptées. Celles-ci ressemblent à des ailes placées de chaque côté du pod. Le système est aussi doté d'une antenne AESA pouvant brouiller les radar en bande S et L. Arexis ne sert pas uniquement au brouillage et peut être utilisé de façon passive pour détecter les radars adverses.
Saab teste actuellement au sol une version simplifiée du système sans antennes basses fréquences et pouvant intervenir sur des bandes radar comprises entre 1 et 4,5 GHz. Des essais d'intégration de la nacelle ont également été réalisés sous la voilure d'un Gripen. Arexis devrait être testé en vol à bord d'un Gripen D. Saab estime que les chasseurs biplaces sont plus adaptés à l'emport de la nacelle en raison de la charge de travail liée à l'emploi du système.
Pour l'heure Arexis est développé sur fonds propres par Saab mais l'industriel suédois estime que le système pourrait être industrialisé d'ici un an si un client le désire.
Saab réfléchit aussi à un concept de brouilleur pouvant être embarqué sur un drone. Ce système serait beaucoup moins puissant mais le drone pourrait se rapprocher de sa cible pour effectuer un brouillage à courte portée.
Sujet: Re: Electronic Warfare / Guerre electronique Mer 4 Aoû - 13:34
Merci Ssi Shugan pour ce partage très intéressant... Cette capacité est tout simplement un véritable game changer qui prouve une chose que le F16 a encore des beaux jours devant lui... J'espère qu'on pensera de notre côté à ceci..
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