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Sujet: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 8:28
Commencons par une vidéo de présentation
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 8:43
Armée de l'air colombienne
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 8:48
Sri Lanka air force
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 8:55
Armée de l'air equatorienne
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 8:58
Topic interessant GDS j´avais un faible pour cet avion,cousin des mirages. et dire que certains disent que les upgrade ne valent rien...Israel etait la premiere a valoriser les jets,cette avance lui vaut sa place privilegiée sur le marché maintenant.
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 9:01
Bombardement d'un 130 mm des LTTE par la Sri Lanka air force
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 9:15
Yakuza a écrit:
Topic interessant GDS j´avais un faible pour cet avion,cousin des mirages. et dire que certains disent que les upgrade ne valent rien...Israel etait la premiere a valoriser les jets,cette avance lui vaut sa place privilegiée sur le marché maintenant.
C'est sur quand tu pense qu'un Kfir upgrade aujourdhui c'est un radar aesa,des missiles python 5/derby/un viseur de casque,des bombes griffin 3/spice/popeye,une capacité de combat tous temps couplé a un systéme d'autoprotection elisra sp4000 sans parlé des pods de jammings ou de reco ......faudrai étre stupide pour sous-estimé ce type d'upgrade J'imagine bien l'Iaf avec ses 250 kfir en stock les upgradé en C-10 cela crérai encore plus un fossé au moyen-orient.....mais y'a pas le flousse pour
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 9:26
250 Kfir en stock
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 11:58
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250 Kfir en stock
Yes,sir + une dizaine d'actif.
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Sam 10 Aoû 2013 - 17:50
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000869066 a écrit:
Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) (TASE: ARSP.B1) is trying to sell dozens of Kfir fighter jets to foreign air forces, offering a 40-year manufacturer's guarantee. The veteran jets are equipped with new avionics and powerful radars developed by IAI unit Elta Systems, diversified armaments, updated electronic warfare systems, and air-to-air refueling.
IAI has told its sales reps to sell the Kfirs to Eastern European countries that are due to join NATO. Other buyers are Latin American and Asian air forces, which are seeking combat jets that can take out targets with the precision of fourth-generation jets, such as the F-16, but cannot afford them.
IAI has produced several hundred Kfirs since the 1970s. The Israel Air Force used them for air defense missions and ground attack, mostly in Lebanon. Foreign sources say that the Kfir is no longer in service with the Air Force, and the jet was replaced by F-15s and F-16s.
Dozens of Kfirs were sent to IAI for storage, and others are used for test flights or were upgraded and sold to Colombia, Ecuador, and Sri Lanka. The US Air Force also procured Kfirs to simulate enemy planes in pilot training. These air forces reportedly have dozens of Kfirs in service.
IAI declines to disclose the names of the countries with which it is in talks for the sale of upgraded Kfirs, but it promises very short delivery schedules for the renovated jets. "It took us just three years to deliver an entire squadron for the Colombia Air Force, and at a third of the price of a fourth-generation single engine jet fighter. The upgraded Kfir provides just as good an answer as fourth-generation jets, and in some cases, even better," IAI Lahav Division general manager Yosef Melamed told "Globes".
Each upgraded Kfir costs $20 million, including accessories: new wiring; a cockpit equipped for day and night operations and in poor weather conditions; and air-to-air refueling for long-range missions.
"The Kfir we're supplying today has state-of-the-art computers developed just in the past two years, which enable better performance that fourth-generation planes with obsolescent computers. Thanks to our innovative up-to-date avionics, an Israeli pilot who flew the Kfir in the 1980s wouldn’t be able to do very much with it today. It's simply a different plane," says Oren Aviram, who is tasked with marketing the Kfir for IAI.
"An Israeli pilot getting into the cockpit of a Colombia Air Force Kfir would know how to operate the engine and fly, but he would know nothing about the avionics. To operate the plane's systems efficiently, a pilot needs one year of training. He should be digitally proficient and, if possible, aged 20-30, otherwise he really won't get along."
http://www.iai.co.il/17866-22950-en/Business_Areas_Military_Aircraft_Upgrades.aspx?btl=1 a écrit:
Kfir Upgrade
The Kfir (Young Lion) multi-role combat aircraft was designed and built by Lahav to provide the Israel Air Force (IAF) with an indigenously produced replacement for the Mirage aircraft that had constituted the backbone of its fighter force from the early 1960s. The requirements for the Kfir were based on the vast operational experience amassed by the IAF in numerous air-to-air encounters with Soviet designed aircraft. The Kfir aircraft was proven to be a worthy successor to the Mirage with a close-coupled canard/delta wing configuration offering significant improvements in agility, payload and range.
Much of the Kfir's outstanding agility is owed to its forward canards, which contribute greatly to the aircraft's high instantaneous and sustained turn rates. The canards also provide the Kfir with excellent low speed flight characteristics by enabling high angles of attack to be attained. These advantages, together with its small visual signature and high thrust to weight ratio, make the Kfir a tough opponent in the air-to-air combat arena.
In conjunction with the powerful GE J-79 engine and the high strength airframe and undercarriage, the nine hardpoints enables a total external payload of 5,500 kg (12,100) pounds to be carried. The Kfir can thus be configured with the mix of missiles, bombs, pods, fuel drop tanks etc. required for optimal mission performance. For example, ample internal fuel capacity and the ability to carry large external fuel drop tanks without compromising other stores carriage afford the Kfir the extended range, loiter time and stores load required for effective long range strike and combat air patrol missions. The Kfir's range can be further extended with the implementation of the aerial refueling option.
Ruggedness and dependability are additional important features incorporated into the Kfir as a result of the IAF's vast operational experience. The Kfir's sturdy, fatigue free airframe provides a service life of well over 8,000 flight hours. The Kfir's General Electric J-79 engine was upgraded with a smokeless combustion chamber and the Israeli-designed and developed digital engine temperature control amplifier. Furthermore, with over 3000 J-79s in service worldwide the availability of spares and support is guaranteed. These features, together with the aircraft's affordable acquisition cost, enable Kfir users to enjoy very low life cycle cost.
Lahav has also made great effort to ensure that all versions of the Kfir, from the C-1 through to today's advanced C-10, feature highly effective mission optimized avionics systems. In fact, the avionics system equipping the Kfir C-10 places the aircraft at the forefront of fighter design in terms of its human engineering, radar performance, weapons delivery and navigational accuracy, maintainability and growth potential. The Kfir C-10's flexible centralized avionics architecture enables the following features to be incorporated:
Pilot friendly advanced "Glass" Cockpit Hands On Throttle And Stick (HOTAS) operation Advanced multi-mode Fire Control Radar (FCR) with SAR State-of-the-art weapons delivery, including Beyond Visual Range missiles Digital Moving Map (DMM) Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite
The Kfir C-10 draws upon the operational experience of IAF pilots to provide an optimized cockpit layout and man machine interface. The HOTAS controlled cockpit is equipped with a new Head Up Display (HUD), two 5"x5" Multi Function Color Displays (MFCDs), Up Front Control Panel (UFCP) and an optional Helmet Mounted Display System (HMDS), affording outstanding situational awareness and efficient avionics and weapons system operation. Furthermore, by providing only that information which is required for each mission segment, the Kfir C-10's easy to use menu driven display screens minimize clutter and afford reduced pilot workload.
Also included in the Kfir C-10 avionics system is IAI/Elta's operationally proven EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radar, which offers a wide range of air-to-air and air-to-ground modes, including SAR, for optimal mission performance in all weather conditions. The Kfir C-10 can incorporate additional advanced sensors that provide highly effective day/night target detection and designation capabilities.
The Kfir is in service with many satisfied customers worldwide and has contributed greatly to the excellent reputation enjoyed by Lahav. The list of countries that operate the Kfir includes Colombia, Ecuador and other classified users. The Kfir aircraft has recently seen a great deal of action with a classified Air Force, which is exploiting its exceptional air-to-ground capabilities.
As the Kfir's original manufacturer, Lahav provides comprehensive support for all versions of the aircraft. Moreover, being the world's most experienced combat aircraft upgrade house, Lahav is equipped to provide effective, cost efficient upgrade solutions that are tailored to each customer's operational and budgetary requirements.
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Sam 10 Aoû 2013 - 18:09
Franchement on a vraiment pas mal à apprendre de ce petit pays qu'est Israël! A force de patience et de choix intelligent, ils ont su se créer un nom/reputation/image de marque dans le domaine de l'armement!
Grâce à leur upgrade, certain avion "vieux, usé et fatigué" deviennent de véritable couteau suisse aérien ...
Ils ont complètement raison d'attaquer le marché des pays n'ayant pas envie de lâcher 100M€/jet et Dieu sait que ce marché est très très porteur (Amérique latine, Afrique, Asie)...
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Sam 10 Aoû 2013 - 18:11
Pourquoi crois-tu que tant de marocains soient devenus israéliens?
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Sam 10 Aoû 2013 - 18:20
Ils sont les bienvenus dans leur pays d'origine
[HS] Tu vois ce qui me tue; c'est que ce pays le Maroc a au travers l'histoire quoi qu'on dise apporté sa pierre à l'édification des sciences et la progression de l'humanité! Le fait que pas mal de juif marocain ont réussi est un signe encourageant, sans parler de tous les autres chercheur et scientifique au travers le monde! Si seulement les marocains avaient à leur disposition un bon système éducatif et une société digne dans laquelle s'épanouir, la Corée du Sud nous regarderait avec envie [HS]
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Mar 7 Jan 2014 - 17:46
Kfir Block 60
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Jan 2014 - 16:33
L'erreur de Dassault aviation c'est qu'au lieu de garder sa clientèle d'origine ( Amérique du Sud, Afrique et Moyen Orient) et de faire un produit qui leur ait adapté, ils ont sortie un Rafale fait pour des armées riches du temps de la Guerre Froide...cela explique le flop du Rafale et que IAI a récupérer tous les marchés de Dassault
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Sujet: Re: Kfir around the world Ven 10 Jan 2014 - 17:18
ont ne peut rester sur de l'aquis . Le Rafale represente la quintescence de l'industrie aeronautique française. L'ADA voulait un avion qui tienne la route chose qui lui a été accorder. Par contre là ou je vous rejoins c'est qu'ils manque un produit adapté aux petites bourses....