Actualités Algeriennes

Rappel du premier message :

Carlos Gohn parle d'une usine en Algérie.

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Les négociations pour implanter une usine en Algérie vont-elles aboutir?

Nous sommes numéro un des ventes en Algérie. Nous ne pouvons pas ignorer le souhait du gouvernement algérien de se doter d’une usine qui alimenterait le marché local et éventuellement des marchés hors d’Europe. On n’a pas le choix, on le fera. S’il y a une usine en Algérie, nous ferons tout pour qu’elle soit Renault.

http://bourse.lefigaro.fr/indices-actions/actu-conseils/l-appel-de-carlos-ghosn-au-gouvernement-287565

Washington demande des explications a Alger (F24)

Ils voulaient se la jouer à la méthode russe, soit, mais dans le cas de la Russie, les otages étaient tous de nationalité russe et Poutine n'avait aucun compte à rendre à aucun pays sauf à son opinion public, mais là il y a des citoyens de Dizaines de pays.... Ils sont vraiment cons la junte

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L'Express live :

19h10 :
"L'opération de l'armée se poursuit", selon un ministre.

19h09 :
Clinton appelle les entreprises à renforcer leur sécurité en Afrique du Nord.

18h49 :
La publication d'un bilan humain officiel est imminente:
Leila Beratto@LeilaBeratto
Le ministère de la défense algérien devrait donner un bilan d'ici 15 mn #algerie #otage

Apparemment les americains vont vouloir nous sanctionner pour ne pas nous être engagé au Mali (Clinton a mentionné l'Afrique du Nord au lieu de l'Algérie).

elle peut aussi faire mention de la Tunisie ( Instable) ou la Libye

Yakuza a écrit:

Washington demande des explications a Alger (F24)

Quand Washington demande des explications ils connaissent deja toutes les reponses (intelligences) le DRS et Botef vaudra mieux qu'ils se mettent a carreaux et ne pas donner des reponses avec des mensonges car les USA n'est pas la France ou l'URSS. La gaffe que la junte a fait comme toujours ils se croient superieur avec leur revolution des annees 60 c'est qu'ils n'ont pas informe les pays a qui ont leur citoyen comme hotage cela s'appelle coordination,ils ont mit la charue avant les chevaux,cela s'appelle l'amateurisme,bye bye le satellite americain.

Oui mais bon je pense que le message était déjà passé avant lors des révolutions arabes. La raison qui m'a amenée à cette conclusion est qu'elle mentionne toute la région en incluant les pays du printemps arabe (critiqué bien avant cela) et ceux qu'ils considéraient "stables" (Algérie+Maroc).
En tous cas, ça va donner une mauvaise image de la région.

Sur France 2 le correspondant de France 24 à Alger a superbement couvert l'échec total de l'opération en voulant uniquement insister sur les otages libéré

..comme l´ont dit la presentatrice et son invité c´est un echec total.
l´invité a dit une phrase qui resume tout: le traitement de la menace est pire que la menace.ca aura des repercussions sur les expatriés des petroliers..

en tous cas cette histoire nous a permis de voir:
"l'expérience de la lutte antiterroriste dont l'Algérie a le leadership"
l'Algérie dont je rapel qu'elle est "LA puissance régionale en Afrique du Nord" et l'un des "4 points cardinals du continent"

Les Japonais ne sont pas content du tout !

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20 h 35 : Le vice-ministre des affaires étrangères japonais Minoru Kiuchi s'est envolé pour Alger, rapporte l'AFP. Selon son bureau, il a "pressé le gouvernement algérien de faire cesser immédiatement son opération."

le Monde

je trouve qu'ils ont un peu precipité les choses ils auraient du attendre un peu histoire de collecter un max d'elements, ca ressemble a une réaction de quelqu un de piqué au vif ils ont voulu montrer les gros bras resultat un carnage surement

Normal les terro se sont attaqué au porte feuille des Algérie..euh je veus dire des Généraux ! Donc pas touche a mes affaires !

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Massacre in Algeria: In hostage situations, the leverage is almost always with the captors
By Steve LeVine | Quartz – 1 hr 5 mins ago


The history of rescue-missions-gone-wrong–Munich, Tehran, Nord-Ost and today in Algeria–demonstrates why they are one of the hardest operations that special teams carry out. The trouble is the moving parts, experts say–the layout and location of the place they are being held; the mood, experience, objective and weapons of the kidnappers; and the number, mood and condition of the hostages.

There of course are legendary cases of success, most prominently the 1976 Mossad raid in Entebbe that rescued 105 Israeli hostages.

But almost always, the leverage seems to be on the side of the captors. “The wild card is that you can never train for how the kidnappers will react. That is what makes it so difficult,” said Rick Nelson, a former US Navy intelligence officer who advises the Center for Strategic and International Studies and teaches at Georgetown University. “A decision to rescue is is inherently high-risk.”

Here are some examples:

• At the 1972 Munich Olympics, a Palestinian group called Black September took 11 members of the Israeli team hostage, all of whom were killed. The German rescue operation is a prime example of a fast-moving, fast-changing situation that turned into tragic fiasco.

• In the 1979 Iranian hostage crisis, 51 Americans were held captive for 444 days before being released moments after the inauguration of Ronald Reagan as US president. Along the way, eight US soldiers were killed in a rescue operation when a gigantic storm engulfed their aircraft, dooming the operation and stigmatizing President Jimmy Carter as a weak leader.

• In 2002, Chechen militants stormed into a Moscow theater playing the musical “Nord-Ost,” and took 850 people hostage. On the third day, Russian forces pumped an opiated gas into the theater, and stormed it. They killed all 39 captors; 129 of the hostages died, almost all of them because of the gas.

In Algeria, militants took 41 foreigners hostage early Jan. 16 at a natural gas field run by Norway’s Statoil. Reports at the moment are that as many as 35 may be dead after the captors attempted to move them by vehicle, and Algerian forces opened fire.

But Chris Voss, a former FBI kidnapping negotiator who runs a firm called Black Swan Group, told me that the circumstances of the kidnapping made a rescue operation very difficult. “The probability of a successful rescue [was] very low,” he said.

Mark Galeotti, a professor at New York University, said that people simply have an inaccurate image of hostage situations–”the myth of the surgical strike,” in which special forces wearing black masks swoop in and rescue victims “like in the movies.” “It can become a real disaster,” Galeotti told me. “[Algeria] is a classic example.”

It is not that the Algerians are not set up for such operations. Since the mid-1990s, they have had French-trained special forces known as the GIS. But they are action-driven, and typically do not include negotiators, who are the front line of western hostage situations, Galeotti said. In successful rescue operations, you want to go as far as you can using negotiators. “Good operators realize that in an complex environment, the high-adrenaline rescue mission is rarely the best option,” he said. “It is the last, worse case.”

In Algeria, the kidnappers’ objective in taking the hostages remains murky. While spokesmen used grand terms of a reprisal against the West because of operations in Mali against Islamist militants, the captors’ leader—Mokhtar Belmokhtar, who may have been killed in the operation—is notorious for high-ransom kidnappings and cigarette smuggling (his nickname is Mr. Marlboro.). In 2009, Germany and Switzerland paid his group $8 million for the release of four Western diplomats.

This suggests that the kidnappers might have been prepared to bargain for the captives’ release. But Galeotti is doubtful that the captors would have been swayed by money. “When you entrench yourself, you are making a statement,” he said. “Jihadists would not have wasted the situation.”

http://news.yahoo.com/massacre-algeria-hostage-situations-leverage-183059293.html

Toujours pas de bilan alors que les témoignages d'ex-otages s'amoncèlent (l'Express live)!

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20h44 :
Le Monde a recueilli le témoignage d'un ex-otage du site gazier de BP en Algérie, qui explique que les ravisseurs cherchaient par-dessus tout des expatriés:
Les terroristes étaient très bien préparés, connaissaient le site, la base de vie et le complexe qui se trouve en face, ils ont coupé la production immédiatement après avoir pris le contrôle de l'usine [...] Après avoir pris contrôle de la base de vie, les terroristes ont fait une fouille de toutes les chambres à la recherche d'otages, mais surtout à la recherche d'expatriés.
Un ex-otage


20h32 :
Un rescapé âgé de 53 ans a expliqué à l'agence de presse Reuters ce que cherchaient les ravisseurs:
Les terroristes nous ont dit au début qu'ils ne toucheraient pas aux musulmans, qu'ils étaient seulement intéressés par les chrétiens et les infidèles.
Un ex-otage

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Algeria: hostages feared dead after troops storm gas field

A large number of western hostages, including Britons, were feared dead after Algerian troops stormed a desert gas field seized by a jihadist group, in a bloody end to the worst international hostage crisis of recent years.

Reports from the remote outpost on the country's eastern border were conflicting: the Algerian government said six foreign hostages had been killed – while the militant hostage-takers claimed 34 had lost their lives. One British contractor was killed in the initial attack by the Islamists on Wednesday, but the fate of an unspecified number of other western hostages was unclear.

David Cameron warned that the country "should be prepared for further bad news in this very dangerous, fluid situation". The Foreign Office called it "an appalling tragedy".

The Algerian authorities said that the rescue operation was still going on, and that many of the militant hostage-takers had been killed. Officials said that 600 Algerian workers at the site had been freed and that more than 20 foreigners had also survived.

Twelve Norwegians, working for the Statoil oil company, were reported to have been at the gas field site at the time of Wednesday's attack. The government in Oslo said it had no news of their fate.

The Algerian government said it had had to take instant action to end the stand-off, and that the jihadist group, known as the "Signers in Blood" had intended to take the hostages out of the country.

One Algerian survivor said that the militants had stated their intent to kill the "Christians and infidels" among the hostages.

But the British government complained that it had not been informed before the military operation was launched. Cameron only heard once it was underway and immediately demanded an explanation from Algiers. Washington and Paris indicated they too had been left in the dark.

There were also questions about the tactics used by the Algerians to break the hostage stand-off.

Several reports from the scene describe helicopter gunships strafing the workers' living quarters where the hostages were being held. The militants claimed 34 westerners had been killed in the Algerian army attack and that they still hold seven: two Americans, three Belgians, one Japanese and one British citizen.

Earlier in the day, the Algerian authorities claimed that 30 Algerians and 20 foreign workers had escaped their captors and had been picked up by army helicopters.

One of the survivors was Stephen McFaul, an Irish national, who called his wife, Angela, in west Belfast at 3pm to say he was alive and free.

The White House said it was concerned about the loss of life and was seeking clarification. A senior official told journalists travelling with the US defence secretary, Leon Panetta, in the UK: "Details remain very murky over this raid and what has happened. We're assessing reports that the Algerians may have conducted some kind of action in connection with the incident, but cannot confirm precisely what happened."

In France, President François Hollande told business leaders that the hostage crisis "seems to be heading towards an end in dramatic conditions" and that the violence in Algeria justified his decision last Friday to launch a military campaign against Islamist militants in neighbouring Mali.

The Algerian raid, thought to have been spearheaded by the army's special intervention group, was carried out only hours after the British government had said its "focus is on working through the Algerian government and BP" — a partner in the gas field.

According to Downing Street, Cameron learned of the rescue attempt from British officials in Algiers in touch with London by satellite link. He then rang the Algerian prime minister at 11am to be informed that the operation was already underway, despite an earlier appeal by the British prime minister that no substantial action be taken without first consulting him.

"The prime minister explicitly told the Algerians he wanted advance warning of any military operation, but they just went for it," a Downing Street source said.

One source described the 10-15 minute phone call as businesslike, but stressed that no British judgment would be made on the operation while it was still underway.

However a spokesman said: "The prime minister explained we would have preferred to be consulted in advance."

The prime minister made that view known first in a phone call on Wednesday, but Algerians countered that it had not been possible since in its judgement it had been imperative to act immediately.

Asked if Britain had counselled against a direct strike, the prime minister's spokesman said "the aim of the British government had been to work with the Algerian government and the company to resolve the situation peacefully".

According to two separate reports many of the casualties were caused when an Algerian helicopter gunship opened fire on one of the jihadists' vehicles, which was carrying militants and hostages. It is not clear whether the vehicle was attempting to flee the scene at the time.

Even before the main Algerian army attack, the jihadists told al-Jazeera television that the army was firing on the complex, and a Japanese hostage reported he and a Norwegian hostage had been wounded by army snipers. Another hostage warned the "message does not seem to be getting through," al-Jazeera reported, and Algerian troops were continually firing at the camp.

The Signers in Blood militant group that attacked the gas field before dawn on Wednesday also called itself the Masked Brigade and owed allegiance to Mokhtar Belmokhtar, a one-eyed veteran jihadist who until last year was a deputy leader in al-Qaida in the Maghreb. He broke away from the group to start his own faction, pledging to fight western influence in the region. One of the hostage survivors said that members of the group spoke Arabic with Egyptian, Tunisian and Syrian accents.

"The terrorists told us at the very start that they would not hurt Muslims but were only interested in the Christians and infidels," another survivor, a 53-year-old local man called Abdelkader, told Reuters news agency. "We will kill them, they said." He added: "The terrorists seemed to know the base very well … Moving around, showing that they knew where they were going."

The timing of the attack also suggested inside knowledge. The group struck when there was an unusually high number of foreigners at the gas field and some of them were leaving in a bus to the airport.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/17/algeria-bp-hostages-battle

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D'après BFM TV les terroriste possédaient des uniformes de l'armée algérienne, ce fut le cas lors de la prise d'otage de l'avion d'air France 1994. Cette histoire est très louche, j' ai peur d'une sorte de manipulation de la DRS qui aurait mal tourné, mais cette avis n'engage que moi, par contre j'aimerai avoir votre avis sur les répercutions probable pour le Maroc.

Merci d'avance

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23h20. Les forces spéciales algériennes ne contrôleraient qu'une partie du site gazier, selon des sources de la préfecture régionale d'Illizi. Seul "le site de vie", où se trouvaient une grande partie des otages, serait maîtrisé. L'usine du complexe serait toujours encerclée.

23h16. Le même porte-parole promet de nouvelles actions en Algérie.

23h03. Selon un porte-parole du groupe djihadiste, cité par l'agence mauritanienne ANI, le chef du commando, Abou al-Baraa, aurait été tué dans l'attaque. Le site d'information mauritanien Al-Akhbar explique que c'était "l'un des plus importants chefs de la brigade de Mokhtar Belmokhtar" qui a revendiqué la prise d'otages. Il affirme également que la brigade Al-Mouthalimin était prête pour l'opération depuis près de deux mois. "On savait d'avance que le régime allait bien être l'allié de la France dans la guerre contre l'Azawad [Nord du Mali]".
http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/en-direct-algerie-assaut-meurtrier-sur-le-site-d-in-amenas-17-01-2013-1615932_24.php

Incompétence totale.. Donc il reste encore une autre partie du site (le plus stratégique) qui est encore sous contrôle qitaliste..

Ryad a écrit:

EDIT Modération : contenu supprimé
Ryad,

comme l'a rappelé vips, ne traitons pas ici de ce qui se dit ailleurs, notamment les forums communautaires.

Compris 5/5 PGM

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Algérie : trois otages japonais libérés et 14 portés manquants, selon Tokyo

Le Japon a annoncé vendredi que trois otages japonais qui avaient été retenus par des islamistes armés sur un site gazier en Algérie, avaient été mis en sûreté, et 14 autres étaient toujours portés manquants. La compagnie japonaise JGC a indiqué au ministère des Affaires étrangères qu’elle avait confirmation que trois de ses 17 employés du site étaient en sûreté, a précisé à la presse Yoshihide Suga, porte-parole du gouvernement. (AFP).

RIP ..

CNN declare que l'attaque de l'ANP etait un total fiasco et que le State Department est frustree par les declarations conflictives du gouvernement algérien,la temperature monte au WH.

Fiasco? l'operation aurait pu etre consideré comme fiasco si le regime algerien aurait eu utilisé des moyens proportionés pour preserver la vie des hotages, example: l'operation francaise en Somalie, mais quand tu utilise et tire depuis des helicopteres, tu cherche un carnage indiscriminé, tu fait ca pour t'en assurer qu'il y aura le maximum de victimes. Alors c'est a nous de nous demender le pourquoi d'une tel action, bien reussite...

RIP et tout mon respect aux familles des victimes et au peuple algerien aussi victime de ce régime.

d'aprés bfmtv il y aurai un français (d'origine... ) parmi les terros et un parmi les victime quel reposent en paix et mister malboro dans tous ça il reste insaisissable a croire qu'il bosse vraiment pour le drs ou deuxième hypothèse c'est le frère a david coperfield ou alors il a un dont d'invisibilité .