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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Lun 24 Mar 2008 - 23:40 | |
| - eagle a écrit:
- il est déjà meilleur que le F16 et de loin.. il est juste trop cher par rapports a nos moyens.
Meilleurs dans 5/10Ans Pour l'instant un 52+ est supérieurs a un rafale actuel. C'est un bon choix les F-16 en AIR-AIR ou AIR-SOL c'est intéressant, surtout la famille des GBU et enfin les américain n'ont pas de problème avec les sous munition c'est pas le cas des francais. Le Rafale plus tard pour remplacer les F-1 Oui ...reste a savoir si les usine de construction du rafale seront pas fermer d'ici là |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Lun 24 Mar 2008 - 23:54 | |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 0:03 | |
| Des sources ? Je donne pas chère de sa peau face a un 52+ Polonais par exemple ( pilote équivalent ).Bref c'est du HS. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 0:06 | |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 0:30 | |
| Moderation: SVP ne faites plus d'analogie avec les avions Avions comme Rafale ou autres.
sujet initiale: les moyens combatives de nos futurs F-16C/D block 50/52+ . |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 1:08 | |
| - Elmex a écrit:
- et enfin les américain n'ont pas de problème avec les sous munition c'est pas le cas des francais.
oublie les CBU cette année,ils ont ete bannis par le congres a l´export pour une année en decembre dernier,renouvlable si possible! va falloir voir ailleurs,sinon notre stock est encore a moitié |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 14:24 | |
| Normalement ont devé signée le contrat ce mois la....Nous sommes bientot au mois d'avril.
Donc je ne sais pas si c'est de la miroiterie tout ca,mais ont diré. _________________ الله الوطن الملك | |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 19:53 | |
| AN/AAQ-33 Sniper: - Citation :
- The combat-proven Sniper is the U.S. Air Force's advanced targeting pod (ATP) of record. Its outstanding performance results from a superior optical bed design combined with advanced image processing algorithms, exceptional stability and pointing accuracy.
A precision targeting system in a single, lightweight, affordable pod, Sniper ATP is designed for current and future aircraft. The pod's supersonic, low-observable design substantially reduces drag and weight. Sniper pods are currently flying on the USAF's F-15E, F-16, A-10, and B-1, in addition to international F-18 and Harrier aircraft. It is also being integrated on the B-52 aircraft. Sniper ATP's common software/hardware interface allows the USAF to "plug and play" Sniper across platforms for a single hardware/software configuration across the fleet.
Incorporating a high-resolution, advanced mid-wave FLIR; a dual-mode laser; and a CCD-TV, along with a laser spot tracker and a laser marker, the Sniper ATP vastly improves ranges for target detection/identification. The advanced image processing algorithms, combined with rock-steady stabilization techniques, outperform the best systems in service today. Fully compatible with the latest standoff and J-series weaponry, the pod provides automatic tracking and laser designation of tactical size targets via real-time imagery presented on cockpit displays . source: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/Sniper/index.html la même image avec une très grande résolution (admirez cette merveille) : http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/3148.jpg |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 19:56 | |
| ouai,c´est le plus qui me plait dans notre shoping-liste,le meilleure ATP dans toute la region il donne des images SAR d´une distance de 83 NM (selon reportrage d´un journaliste lord d´un vol) il a meme des capacités A/A |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 20:00 | |
| SNiper + DAMOCLES vraiment intéressant. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 20:04 | |
| - yakousa a écrit:
il a meme des capacités A/A t'es sûr? |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 20:11 | |
| tu me croit pas - Citation :
- Sniper ATP pods significantly enhance an aircraft’s strike capability by adding stabilized long-range laser tracking and targeting illumination, high performance day/night surveillance, GPS targeting capabilities, and even some air-air target detection and tracking abilities to aircraft using them
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/saudis-seek-sniper-atp-supplementation-for-f-15s-04401/ un IRST competent |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 20:44 | |
| Vous oubliez certainement les POD DB-110 Avec un PC spéciale au sol qui traite en temp réel les images prise par les POD, ISR systéms c'est un camion mobile. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 20:52 | |
| elmex,je constate que tu t'est calmé depuis,tres bien,continu general. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 21:27 | |
| c un pod reconnaissance long-range day/night,low/med/high Alt,a datalink commune d´otan pour envoyer les images a la station sol en real-time,dernier hightech |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 22:25 | |
| et ca existe au maroc? sur quel avion? |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Mar 25 Mar 2008 - 23:25 | |
| Regard ici tu comprendra : Les images sont envoyées en temp réel au sol, et des opérateurs les analyses. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 15:28 | |
| - Citation :
Block 50/52 Plus
The Block 50/52 Plus is a version which has special provisions for the adverse weather delivery of the McDonnell Douglas JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition). The update includes an add-on tail unit containing a synthetic aperture radar, providing guidance to 1,000lbs Mk.83, 2,000lbs Mk.84 and the 2,000lbs BLU-109 warhead. Other features include passive missile warning, terrain-referenced navigation, and provisions for the 600 US gal (2,271 litre) external fuel tanks and conformal fuel tanks.
Other features of the aircraft include an on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS), the AN/APX-113 advanced electronic interrogator/transponder IFF system, helmet-mounted cueing system (HMCS), ASPIS internal electronic countermeasures suite (full provisions), the Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)9 radar, which is the latest version of the F-16C/D radar. This radar features significant improvements in detection range, resolution, growth potential, and supportability. Furthermore, application of advanced processing techniques enhances the radar's ability to operate in dense electromagnetic environments and resist jamming better than all previous models.
The V(9) version of the AN/APG-68 radar provides both improved air-to-air capabilities and air-to-ground capabilities. These include:
30 percent increase in detection range; Improvements in false alarm rate and mutual interference; Four versus two tracked targets in the Situation Awareness mode (a search-while-track mode); Larger search volume and improved track performance in Track While Scan mode; Improved track performance in Single Target Track mode; Two-foot resolution in new Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) mode, which allows autonomous delivery of precision, all-weather, standoff weapons; Increased detection range in Sea Surveillance mode; Improved target detection and map quality in Ground Moving Target Indication mode.
In general, this radar offers a 5X increase in processing speed and 10X increase in memory compared to the current AN/APG-68 radar and provides large growth potential.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article9.html |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 17:19 | |
| Voila à peu pres à quoi devrait ressembler nos prochains F-16 block 50+/52+ : A: Conformal Fuel TanksThe most distinguishing external feature of an Advanced Block 50/52, when installed, is a set of conformal fuel tanks attached to the upper fuselage. All of these latest F-16s have structural, plumbing, and wiring provisions for the conformal tanks. The tank set holds 450 gallons (more than 3,000 pounds) of additional JP-5/8. The extra fuel increases range, loiter time, and combat persistence as well as reduces the demand for tanker support. Range increase is on the order of twenty to forty percent, depending on the stores configuration and mission profile. The conformals, which can be used in lieu of wing tanks, free the inner wing store stations and can double the primary air-to-ground payload. The tanks have an imperceptible effect on the F-16's agility, handling qualities, flight limits, and signature. Moreover, the tanks do not interfere with daily inspections and servicing, and the impact on maintenance access is minimal. A complete set can be removed or replaced in two hours by a small crew and a hoist. B: 600-Gallon Wing TanksThe Advanced Block 50/52 variant is certified to carry the 600-gallon wing fuel tanks. These tanks increase range or persistence up to thirty percent over the standard 370-gallon wing tanks. The tanks are mounted on non-jettisonable pylons that can also carry the more common 370-gallon tanks. C: Landing GearThe Advanced Block 50/52 versions have heavy-weight landing gear designed for up to 52,000 pounds maximum takeoff gross weight. D: RadarNorthrop Grumman's AN/APG-68(V)9 multimode radar will enable crews to detect airborne threats from a range 30% greater than the existing APG-69 system and adds a synthetic-aperture radar mode for high-resolution ground mapping. A major enhancement is the Northrop Grumman 600-gallon wing fuel tanks multimode radar, one of the most advanced radars in the skies today. This radar has more than fivefold faster processing speed and tenfold greater memory capacity over the previous APG-68(V)7/8 radar. The new processors have even higher growth potential. A high-resolution synthetic aperture radar mode allows the pilot to locate and recognize tactical ground targets from considerable distances. In conjunction with inertially aided weapons, such as GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition, the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, and CBU-103/104/105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser, the F-16 gains an enhanced capability for all-weather precision strike from standoff distances. The radar features an inertial measurement unit that improves dynamic tracking performance and provides an auto-boresight capability, which increases accuracy and eliminates the need for time-consuming mechanical boresighting. Air-to-air improvements in-clude a thirty percent increase in detection range and improvements in functionality and tracking quality in various modes. Radar reliability is increased by fifty percent to nearly 400 hours mean time between failures. Commercial off-the-shelf technology is expected to improve supportability significantly. Using off-the-shelf technology resolves existing issues with availability and cost of spare parts and also makes technology refreshes more affordable. E: Targeting SystemThe Advanced Block 50/52 can employ the latest generation targeting systems, such as the Lockheed Martin Sniper XR/Pantera targeting pod that is mounted on the right inlet sensor station. In conjunction with laser-guided bombs, the pod provides day/night precision strikes from high altitudes. Among other uses, the targeting systems can be used for seeker cueing of a variety of guided weapons and covert air-to-air operations. F: Navigation and Reconnaissance PodsA navigation pod, such as LANTIRN/Pathfinder, can be fitted to the left inlet sensor station. A variety of reconnaissance pods can be carried on the centerline fuselage station. G: CockpitThe Advanced Block 50/52 cockpit features a helmet-mounted cueing system, color multifunction displays and recording equipment, cockpit lighting and external strip lighting compatible with night vision goggles, and large-capacity data transfer sets. A choice of helmet-mounted cueing systems is available. These systems allow a pilot to direct sensors or weapons to his line of sight or to help him find a designated target. The helmet display also provides critical flight and target information to the pilot — similar to a head-up display, but in any direction the pilot looks. H: Dorsal Avionics CompartmentAll two-seat models of the Advanced Block 50/52 have a distinctive dorsal avionics compartment that allows these aircraft to accommodate all of the systems of the single-seat model as well as some special mission equipment and additional chaff/flare dispensers. The rear cockpit can be configured for either a weapon system operator or an instructor pilot and can be converted with a single switch in the cockpit. I: EnginesThe Advanced Block 50/52 aircraft have a common engine bay that allows customers a choice of engines in the 29,000-pound thrust class. The Block 50s are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 and have the Modular Common Inlet Duct (known as the large mouth inlet). The Block 52s are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 and have a Normal Shock Inlet (known as the small mouth inlet |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 17:51 | |
| sans le Lantirn,pas besoin avec le Sniper-ER |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 18:30 | |
| - sky_hunter a écrit:
- Voila à peu pres à quoi devrait ressembler nos prochains F-16 block 50+/52+ :
dans la présentation c'est un f-16 biplace qui est tiré d'un article qui parle des F-16I qui sont tous des biplace. http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16i/F-16I.html le f-16 marocain sera principalement un chasseur monoplace, peut être 1 ou 2 chasseurs biplace qui serviront aussi à la transformation et à l'entrainement, mais un biplace est contraire de la doctrine des FRA. |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 18:51 | |
| - Raptor a écrit:
dans la présentation c'est un f-16 biplace qui est tiré d'un article qui parle des F-16I qui sont tous des biplace. http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16i/F-16I.html
le f-16 marocain sera principalement un chasseur monoplace, peut être 1 ou 2 chasseurs biplace qui serviront aussi à la transformation et à l'entrainement, mais un biplace est contraire de la doctrine des FRA. Je penses pas qu'il y a une grande différence entre la version monoplace et version biplace |
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| Sujet: Re: Moroccan F-16 Atlas Falcon / RMAF F16 block 52+ (Tome I) Sam 29 Mar 2008 - 19:19 | |
| - sky_hunter a écrit:
- Raptor a écrit:
dans la présentation c'est un f-16 biplace qui est tiré d'un article qui parle des F-16I qui sont tous des biplace. http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16i/F-16I.html
le f-16 marocain sera principalement un chasseur monoplace, peut être 1 ou 2 chasseurs biplace qui serviront aussi à la transformation et à l'entrainement, mais un biplace est contraire de la doctrine des FRA.
Je penses pas qu'il y a une grande différence entre la version monoplace et version biplace la principale différence c'est le "Dorsal Avionics Compartment" c'est important, c'est l'une des raison pour laquelle israel a opté pour la version biplace pour 102 f-16I!!! (c'est pas par hazard), c'est pour y mettre l'avionique made in israel |
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