Armée Turque/Turkish Armed Forces/Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri (Tome I)

jamais un pays arabe n'a participé au Red Flag, même les saouds et les Imirates arabes unies, pourtant alliers strategiques des US dans la region et fidels clients du matos US au moins durant les 10 ou 15 dernieres années. je suppose donc que c'est exprés que on invite pas ou on inviteras pas le maroc même si ils ont le F-16 dernier cri

tu vois mon ami,que des prejugés

l´arabie saoudite a participé

Red Flag concludes


NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev.—Royal Saudi air force Sgts. Qassim Al-Ghazwani (left) and Amri Mansour, both crew chiefs assigned to the 6th Squadron, review maintenance technical orders for the F-15S during Red Flag here Feb. 12. Red Flag is a multi-national exercise providing pilots with a realistic environment to practice combat scenarios. The experience gained during the exercise is vital to the survival of pilots in combat. (U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Larry E. Reid Jr.)



Red Flag concludes

NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. – A Royal Saudi air force pilot gives the thumbs-up as he taxis his F-15S to the runway for a Red Flag mission here Feb. 12. Red Flag is a multi-national exercise providing pilots with a realistic environment to practice combat scenarios. The experience gained during Red Flag is vital to the survival of pilots in combat. (U.S. Air Force photo by Chief Master Sgt. Gary Emery)



http://www.nellis.af.mil/photos/index.asp?galleryID=1554&page=7


faut changer les idées recues

magolti 3ib.

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non pas membre ,ca se fait facilement,faut seulement avoir un bon avion pour garder le niveau,meme les chiliens participent cette année aussi avec leur F-5M

je me demande si le maroc peux participer pour l'instant avec leurs tigerIII

si c'est pour simuler le rôle des ''agressors'' je n'y vois pas d'interêt vaut mieux s'abstenir. il faut attendre l'arrivée des vipers pour participer, les FRA profiteront de l'exercice pour améliorer leur interopérabilité avec l'otan.

Les deux premiers F-16 qui ont recu la modernisation CCIP ont etaient livrer a la Tuaf par TAI, ces appareils seront en meme niveaux que les F-16 block 50+...

>>> http://www.tai.com.tr/

on a aura a moyen terme:

240 F-16 block 50+
116 F-35
50 F-4 2020 (missiles popeye)

406 avions de combat..

combien d´appareils et combien de temps ca a pris barbaros?

yakousa a écrit:

combien d´appareils et combien de temps ca a pris barbaros?

223 F-16 de differentes block subiront une modernisation CCIP et on recevra 30 F-16 block 50+, pour le temps, les modernisations prendront fin en 2013...

l'annee ou on commencera a recevoir les F-35..

question mal formulée..combien de temps a pris le CCIP des 2 Vipers upgradés que vous avez recu?
sur la page de TAI y´avais rien ladessus

yakousa a écrit:

question mal formulée..combien de temps a pris le CCIP des 2 Vipers upgradés que vous avez recu?
sur la page de TAI y´avais rien ladessus

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Additional two F-16 aircraft arrived at TAI’s facilities on 4 September 2007.

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Under the program, which is being carried out by TAI and LM companies, Lead the Fleet (LTF) modification of the first two aircraft was successfully completed and the two aircraft were delivered to Turkish Air Force at the end of ceremony held on 11 April 2008. The project activities have been continuing according to the schedule set forth.

6/7 mois,pas mal comme upgrade
ca montre aussi combien les upgrades prennent du temps,surtout quand ca va au fond de la cellule

c'est un upgrade maison ?

quel sont les différents block qui vont être touché par cette mise à niveau ?

30/40/50

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Common Configuration Implementation Program (CCIP)

In April of 2005 the Turkish government signed a LoA for the upgrade of 217 F-16s (38 block 30, 104 block 40, 76 block 50) totalling $3.9 billion if all options are exercised. The upgrade for the Turkish F-16s consist of the APG-68(V)9 multimode radar (currently being installed on new Advanced Block 50/52 F-16s), color cockpit displays and recorders, new core avionics processors, the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System, Link 16 data link, advanced interrogator/transponder, integrated precision navigation, a unique electronic warfare system, and compatibility with a number of new weapons and targeting systems. This upgrade will see the Turkish F-16s use common hard- and software.

barbaros pacha a écrit:

Les deux premiers F-16 qui ont recu la modernisation CCIP ont etaient livrer a la Tuaf par TAI, ces appareils seront en meme niveaux que les F-16 block 50+...

>>> http://www.tai.com.tr/

on a aura a moyen terme:

240 F-16 block 50+
116 F-35
50 F-4 2020 (missiles popeye)

406 avions de combat..

ca fera de vous une force militaire à craindre en europe

Fox-One a écrit:

barbaros pacha a écrit:

Les deux premiers F-16 qui ont recu la modernisation CCIP ont etaient livrer a la Tuaf par TAI, ces appareils seront en meme niveaux que les F-16 block 50+...

>>> http://www.tai.com.tr/

on a aura a moyen terme:

240 F-16 block 50+
116 F-35
50 F-4 2020 (missiles popeye)

406 avions de combat..

ca fera de vous une force militaire à craindre en europe

elle l'est deja

La Turquie aurait acheter, la decision aurait etait prise en secret des systemes anti-aeriennes S-300 et SA-15 TOR pour 100 millions de $ a l'Ukraine et la Belarus...

Ces systemes anti-aerienne en etait acheter pour tester les systemes de contre mesures de guerres electroniques Turcs installer sur les F-16 Turcs et servirait a simuler une attaque de F-16 sur les systemes S-300 et SA-15 a but d'entrainement a Konya (Iconium) pendant l'exercice Anatolia Eagle (Des mirages 2000 Francais avait participer a cette entrainement), afin d2etre pret pour contrer les S-300 Chypriotes et Russes..

:O :O Pour une nouvelle, c'est une nouvelle..

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Turkey to buy S-300 systems for testing

NATO member Turkey has quietly decided to buy variants of three different S-300 missile systems from Belarus and Ukraine to test them at the Konya training center with the Electronic Warfare Training Field (EHTS) system built by local firm Havelsan.


"These missile systems are intended to be used for testing and training purposes to simulate threats that may come from countries with ex-Soviet systems in their inventories," a local defense industry source told Today's Zaman. The decision to buy former Soviet-designated SA-12 (300V version) and SA-10 (S-300) missile systems, as well as SA-15 short and medium-range TOR systems, at a cost of around $100 million, was made during an executive committee meeting of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) on July 22, but it was not made public. Sources close to the project said the systems will be tested mainly with F-16s using the EHTS system, which has been moved from Eskişehir to the central Anatolian town of Konya, some 250 kilometers from Ankara, where a regional combat readiness simulation center is located.

Tests with these missile systems will, amongst other things, help Turkey detect whether the Greek Cypriot administration, which has Russian S-300s in its inventory, has been using them.


"The missile systems were not purchased to be launched against perceived enemies and they will not be included in the inventory of the Turkish Armed Forces [TSK]. They will be tested at the Konya range with EHTS systems. Their radars and fire control systems are to be bought separately," a well-informed local defense industry source said.

During the tests those systems will be jammed, enabling Turkey to develop counter systems, said the same source.

Turkey has been holding combined air training exercises, code-named Anatolia Eagle, with Turkish jets and jets from allied and partner countries such as Israel, Pakistan and Jordan at the Konya training center.

The center, opened in 2001, also hosts Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation (ACMI) systems, which feature software developed by the Israel-based firm MLM. ACMI systems are capable of transferring in-flight images from jets to command headquarters.

In a separate development, Turkey is planning to include about a dozen long-range air and missile defense systems, worth around $4 billion, in its inventory for the first time.

An international tender was opened last year in March by the SSM for the acquisition of the missiles in which four companies are competing.

Official Russian procurement agency Rosoboronexport, however, has also renewed an earlier offer for the direct sale of S-400 missiles to Turkey as an alternative to Russian participation in the tender.

SSM head Murad Bayar told the Anatolia news agency recently that initially two of the missile systems will be installed in Ankara and in İstanbul, the country's two biggest cities.

US-based firms Lockheed Martin and Raytheon have jointly offered a combination of Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC 3) and PAC 2 low-to-high-altitude surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) based on foreign military sales credit in the SSM tender.

The Chinese HQ-9 (reported export designation FD-2000) air-defense system, as well as Israel Aerospace Industries' (IAI) Arrow missiles, developed jointly with Boeing, are also competing in the tender.

However, the main competition has been taking place between Russia and the US, as the latter has already raised concerns with Ankara that the purchase of Russian missiles will create an inter-operability problem with NATO.


25 August 2008, Monday


LALE SARIİBRAHİMOĞLU ANKARA


Source: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151109&bolum=102

pas encore acheté,mais veut acheter(to buy,has decided)

je me demande pourquoi des vieux V et pas des Favorit ou meme S-400?

yakousa a écrit:

pas encore acheté,mais veut acheter(to buy,has decided)

je me demande pourquoi des vieux V et pas des Favorit ou meme S-400?

Oui effectiverment, je me suis precipiter..mais il y a des rumeurs comme quoi que la Tuqf aurait deja acquis ces systemes..

Ils seront avant tous utiliser pour l'entrainement..

L'Ukraine et le Belarus ne disposent pas encore de PMU-2 et le S-400 n'est pour le moment seulement opérationnelle que pour la protection de Moscou, il n'y a pas encore eu d'exportation de ce système.

Il est claire que les russes ne vont pas vendre des S-400 ou PMU-2 qui serviront a des testes afin de les contrés a un alliés aussi important des US et d'Israel

Perso je n'ai jamais cru a la vente de S-400 a la Turquie même si Ria Novosti en a fait mention a un certain moment

Les pays utilisateurs ou future du PMU-2 ne sont pas nombreux (Chine, Inde Algérie grece par intermediaire de chypre)

dr.watson1 a écrit:

L'Ukraine et le Belarus ne disposent pas encore de PMU-2 et le S-400 n'est pour le moment seulement opérationnelle que pour la protection de Moscou, il n'y a pas encore eu d'exportation de ce système.

Il est claire que les russes ne vont pas vendre des S-400 ou PMU-2 qui serviront a des testes afin de les contrés a un alliés aussi important des US et d'Israel

Perso je n'ai jamais cru a la vente de S-400 a la Turquie même si Ria Novosti en a fait mention a un certain moment

Les pays utilisateurs ou future du PMU-2 ne sont pas nombreux (Chine, Inde Algérie grece par intermediaire de chypre)

Mais les Russes ont proposer le systeme S-400 a la Turquie, mais bon on verra...

Je sais pas si vous avez dait attention:

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The decision to buy former Soviet-designated SA-12 (300V version) and SA-10 (S-300) missile systems, as well as SA-15 short and medium-range TOR systems, at a cost of around $100 million, was made during an executive committee meeting of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) on July 22, but it was not made public. Sources close to the project said the systems will be tested mainly with F-16s using the EHTS system, which has been moved from Eskişehir to the central Anatolian town of Konya, some 250 kilometers from Ankara, where a regional combat readiness simulation center is located.

On parle de deux systemes S-300..

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Russia offers Turkey direct sale of S-400s in bid outdo US competitors
Russia has renewed an earlier offer for the direct sale of S-400 missiles to Turkey as an alternative to Russian participation in a tender opened by Ankara for the acquisition of long-range air and missile defense systems, both Turkish and Russian defense industry officials have said.

The Russian offer was made during a meeting held in mid-June in Moscow between Turkish and Russian military officials. Military officials from the Turkish Defense Ministry have reportedly told the Russian side that Moscow's offer could be considered by the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), the civilian military procurement agency, but not by them.

The SSM earlier turned down a Russian offer for the direct sale of S-400 missiles through state-to-state negotiations, advising Russia to participate in the tender.

Official Russian procurement agency Rosoboronexport bought the request for proposal (RfP) issued last year in March by the SSM for the acquisition of about a dozen missile systems worth a total of around $4 billion. But Rosoboronexport has not submitted the RfP yet, instead renewing its earlier offer to sell the S-400 missiles direct in state-to-state negotiations.

Turkish local defense industry sources believe that the SSM would not agree on direct purchase of the Russian missiles, but stick to its earlier policy of acquiring the missiles through an international competition.

However the SSM might be inclined to favor the Russian systems if Moscow comes up with an offer to transfer high technology as well as more work share to the local companies in the project, supporting a Turkish policy of putting emphasis on boosting local industry that has increased the ratio of domestic-to-foreign defense production from 25 percent in 2003 to around 40 percent currently.

The SSM, meanwhile, turned down an earlier Russian offer to sell its vertically launched S-300 surface-to-air missiles (SAM), which Russian industry sources in Ankara told Today's Zaman would cease production in 2015.

The only condition for Russia to sell its more advanced S-400 missiles will be if Turkey agrees to hold state-to-state talks for their direct sale, said the same sources, adding that the tender does not guarantee Russia winning the project.

American Lockheed Martin and Raytheon have jointly offered a combination of Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC 3) and PAC 2 low-to-high-altitude SAMs based on Foreign Military Sales (FMS) credit in the SSM tender.

The Chinese with the HQ-9 (reported export designation FD-2000) air-defense system, as well as Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) with its Arrow missiles developed jointly with the American Boeing, are also competing in the tender.

However the main competition has been taking place between Russia and the US, as the latter has already raised its concern to Ankara that purchase of Russian missiles will create an interoperability problem with NATO.

Kathryn Schalow, spokeswoman for the US Embassy in Ankara, said in a public statement in March this year that US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, while in Ankara in late February, touched upon Turkey's missile procurement plans.

"Gates said that any [missile systems] purchase by Turkey should be in coordination with NATO's defense. He said that Turkey should discuss this issue with its NATO allies," she said.

Turkey is not expected to conclude the tender before early next year.

Source: TodayZaman

dr.watson1 a écrit:

Perso je n'ai jamais cru a la vente de S-400 a la Turquie même si Ria Novosti en a fait mention a un certain moment

et pourtant la russie vient de renouveler son offre du S-400 a la turquie

la russie aura tout a gagner en ayant la turquie comme client,les autres client s sont deja acquis donc pas la peine de leur faire la cour..

barbaros pacha a écrit:

Official Russian procurement agency Rosoboronexport, however, has also renewed an earlier offer for the direct sale of S-400 missiles to Turkey as an alternative to Russian participation in the tender.

Il y aura deux systemes S-300...

S-300V
&
S-300 PMU1

avec les derniers evenements dans la georgie, et le tabac politique sur la russie, et les uS qui prometent de changer leur vision même si ce n'est que les dires d'un gouvernement qui va quitter bientôt la maison blanche.
en tout cas je pense que la russie n'a pas intêret mnt avendre ses bijoux de famille aux aux occidentaux et a leurs alliers.

au contraire la Russie n´a plus interet a se la jouer URSS,les etats voisns ne snt plus dans son giron,y´a plus ce nombre de pays qui pouvaielt aller dans son chemin
elle va se calmer et player down ses ardeurs,les diplomats se chargeront de reparer ce qui s´est cassé

et pour l´armement,elle est dependante des ventes d´armes,elle n´a aps le choix de trier les clients
mais je crois que la Turquie n´achetra pas de la Russie,car la denriere crise a montré que tout est possible,et c´est pas tres logique de combattre contre le constructeur de tes systemes d´armes

donc Patriot PAC-3(les vieux S-300 ne serviront que dans une training range pour stimuler les ALQ-178 (v)5+ )

Je crois pas non plus que le russes vont fourmir leur meilleur système sol/air à menbre de l'OTAN sachant qu'il sera étudié pour avoir les contre-mesures adéquats face à leur système.

Sa sera plus le PAC3 US ou l'Arrow israelien.....affaire à suivre !

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La Turquie abrite l'exercice multinational de l'armée de l'air

ANKARA, 5 septembre (Xinhua) -- Un exercice militaire aérien multinational, baptisé "Anatolian Eagle 2008/3", aura lieu la semaine prochaine dans une base aérienne au centre de la Turquie, a déclaré vendredi l'armée de l'air turque.

Cet exercice se déroulera les 8-9 septembre à la troisième base Main Jet dans la province centrale de Konya, a précisé l'armée de l'air dans un communiqué.

Des avions de chasse, en provenance de la Turquie, des Etats- Unis, de l'Italie, d'Israël et de l'OTAN, participeront à cette manoeuvre militaire, selon ce communiqué.

>>> http://www.french.xinhuanet.com/french/2008-09/06/content_712574.htm