Armée Irakienne / Iraqi Armed Forces

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Iraq seeks to buy 36 F-16 fighters from U.S

Fri Sep 5, 5:32 AM ET

(Reuters) - The Iraqi government is seeking to buy 36 advanced F-16 fighters from the U.S., American military officials familiar with the request told the Wall Street Journal.


This move could help Iraq reduce its reliance on U.S. air power and potentially allow more American forces to withdraw from the country than had been proposed.

The F-16, made by Lockheed Martin Corp, is the most sophisticated weapons system Iraq has attempted to purchase so far.

Late in July, the U.S. Department of Defense had approved up to $10.7 billion in arms sales for Iraq, including a $2.16 billion sale of M1A1 Abrams tanks built by General Dynamics Corp.

The U.S. recently announced F-16 sales to Morocco and Romania. Those sales, each for roughly $100 million per plane with training, related equipment and support included, offer an indication of how lucrative the Iraq deal could be for Lockheed Martin and its suppliers.

Iraq now appears determined to significantly expand the air power of its military, which has become more competent and confident in recent months but depends heavily on the U.S. for air support.

Iraq quickly has become one of the biggest weapons buyers in the world as it seeks to strengthen and professionalise its fighting force.

No one was available at the U.S. Department of Defense for comment.

(Reporting by Sweta Singh in Bangalore, editing by Will Waterman)

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aucune info sur le prix...Bruce Tanner doit faire la fiesta

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Lockheed F-16 sale to Iraq would be biggest in 5 years
Bloomberg News
Sept. 5, 2008, 6:26AM


A Lockheed Martin order from Iraq for 36 advanced F-16 fighters would be the biggest export purchase of the plane in five years, according to company data.

Iraq wants to buy the aircraft to reduce its reliance on U.S. airpower, the Wall Street Journal reported. Ann van Hooydonck, Lockheed's spokeswoman in Europe for aerospace issues, didn't return a call seeking comment.

More than 4,300 F-16s have been built for 24 countries, with 52 follow-on purchases by 14 customers, according to the company's Web site. Lockheed won a $3.5 billion agreement in 2003 to sell 48 F-16s to Poland and in 2000 sold 80 of the planes to the United Arab Emirates in an order valued at $6.4 billion.

The Bethesda, Md.-based company's most recent F-16 export order came from Morocco in 2007 for 24 aircraft. Morocco was the 25th country to select the plane, picking the U.S. model over the Rafale from France's Dassault Aviation SA. Other recent orders have come from Turkey and Pakistan.

Lockheed Martin has advanced 8 percent this year in New York trading. The shares traded in Germany fell 0.9 percent to the equivalent of $112.82 as of 12:05 p.m. in Frankfurt.

Production of the F-16 will probably continue beyond 2012, with major upgrades being incorporated for all F-16 versions, Lockheed Chief Executive Officer Robert Stevens said in July at the Farnborough International Air Show in England.

Morocco, Turkey

On June 6, the U.S. awarded Lockheed a contract worth $233.6 million to begin production of the 24 planes for Morocco.

In May 2007, the governments of Turkey and the U.S. signed an agreement for the sale of 30 F-16s. The total value for aircraft and equipment is about $1.8 billion. Turkey had an earlier F-16 order and also pledged to buy F-35 Joint Strike Fighters made by Lockheed Martin.

Pakistan has committed to buy 18 F-16 planes, and may purchase as many as 36.

Iraqi funds would be used to finance its purchase, which would be reviewed by the Defense Department, State Department and Congress, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people.

www.bloomberg.com

Vous pensez vraiment qu'ils vont arrêter la production de F-16 dans les 5 année qui viennent???
Car il se vend vraiment très bien ce coucou ......

je crois qu´avec cet achat la date va vers 2014/15 et peut etre meme apres...surtout si la roumanie effectue son achat

Il aura vraiment eu une très belle et longue carriere cette avion. Le premiere appareil date de quand exactement???

article interessant,il couvre tous les aspects de l´achat,qui doit encore etre accepté et les contraintes qui peuvent entrer en jeu..

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Iraq Seeks F-16 Fighters
Part of Shopping Spree for New Weapons

By AUGUST COLE and YOCHI J. DREAZEN
September 5, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- The Iraqi government is seeking to buy 36 advanced F-16 fighters from the U.S., say American military officials familiar with the request, a move that could help reduce its reliance on U.S. air power and potentially allow more American forces to withdraw from the country than had been proposed.


An F-16C Fighting Falcon flies by during a U.S. Air Force demonstration in Nevada last year.


If it clears hurdles in Washington, the multibillion-dollar deal would give the Iraqi government a powerful new weapon to use against the country's Shiite and Sunni insurgents. But the rapid rebuilding of Iraq's military forces with U.S. equipment such as F-16s could also be viewed with concern by other countries in the region, because of the placement of advanced weaponry in the hands of a nascent government of a country still struggling for stability.

The Air Force says it has 300 planes and helicopters in Iraq and Afghanistan, mostly in Iraq, but declined to provide a further breakdown, making it difficult to assess the impact of the proposed sale on overall air power there. Senior American officials have long argued that Iraq would need the U.S. to keep fighters and attack helicopters deployed throughout the country indefinitely, even as American ground troops start to withdraw.

Iraq now appears determined to significantly expand the air power of its military, which has become more competent and confident in recent months but depends heavily on the U.S. for air support. Iraq quickly has become one of the biggest weapons buyers in the world as it seeks to strengthen and professionalize its fighting force.

The F-16, made by Lockheed Martin Corp., is the most sophisticated weapons system Iraq has attempted to purchase so far. The Pentagon recently notified Congress that it had approved the sale of 24 American attack helicopters to Iraq, valued at as much as $2.4 billion. Including the helicopters, Iraq has announced plans this year to purchase at least $10 billion in U.S. tanks and armored vehicles, transport planes and other battlefield equipment and services, benefiting companies such as General Dynamics Corp., Boeing Co. and Raytheon Co.

Last year, the U.S. had world-wide foreign military sales of $23.3 billion, according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

The weapons deals, which will use Iraqi funds, come as Baghdad and Washington work to finalize a new long-term security pact that calls for American military forces to leave Iraq's cities by next summer as a prelude to a broader withdrawal from the country.


U.S. officials initially said the pact's withdrawal provision only applied to American combat troops, but Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki recently told reporters that he wants all American forces -- not just ground combat ones -- out of his country by 2011.

"The [F-16] request itself represents yet another reflection of Maliki's growing confidence in his government and the Iraqi security forces," said Kenneth Katzman, an Iraq specialist at the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. "It reflects his continued efforts to gain more independence from the United States on military and security issues."

There are potential pitfalls both for Iraq and U.S. officials in the move. A steady cadre of well-trained Iraqi pilots will need time to learn the planes' tactics and weapons, and ground crews will have to maintain them to high standards to avoid performance or safety problems. The U.S. currently uses a wide variety of planes for air support in Iraq, so it's unclear how big a role Iraqi F-16s could play.

The U.S. has previously seen weapons meant for fragile allies end up in unfriendly hands, as with Iran in 1979. The U.S. will have to consider how advanced F-16s and their weapons, such as satellite-guided bombs, should be.

The F-16 purchase must be reviewed by the Pentagon, Congress and the State Department. The F-16s would allow the Iraqis to carry out their own airstrikes on insurgent positions, something they currently need the U.S. to do for them. That shortcoming was a serious problem during the initial days of the Iraqi army's Basra assault in March, which didn't break in the Iraqis' favor until British and American warplanes bombed the positions of the Mahdi Army, Iraq's largest Shiite militia, throughout the city.

Air power is becomingly increasingly important in Iraq, where the amount of ordnance dropped by U.S. planes has jumped in recent months as U.S. and Iraqi forces press to eradicate the remnants of al-Qaeda in Iraq and other militant groups. Though the F-16 is a fighter designed to shoot down enemy aircraft, it can carry precision-guided bombs and missiles that can be used to support ground forces. The plane also is armed with a cannon that can be used for close air-support missions.

A Defense Department spokeswoman said that the Iraqi government made a request for pricing and availability information on the fighters on Aug. 27 and that it was being reviewed by U.S. officials.

"The request is being reviewed in the normal course of business in the foreign military sales process," the spokeswoman said. The requests don't guarantee a sale as sometimes governments seek the information for planning purposes, she said. A Lockheed Martin spokesman referred questions to the U.S. government.

The deal may not face heavy domestic opposition because of its potential to speed the withdrawal of U.S. forces; other proposed military purchases by Iraq have not met much resistance. Still, the F-16 sale won't be "something that will happen overnight," says a senior U.S. official in Baghdad, adding, "A lot of work would have to be done before that could happen." Weapons deals normally take up to a year to be processed.

The F-16 would represent a significant upgrade for the Iraqi military, and -- depending on how the planes were outfitted with radar and other electronic systems -- could give it some of the most advanced fighter aircraft in the region. The planes can be equipped advanced missiles and bombs, and would give Iraq a more potent air force than it had under Saddam Hussein, when the Iraqi air force mainly consisted of Russian and French fighters.

With a fleet of U.S.-made fighters, Iraq would be able to better match up against neighbors like Iran, which relies on Russian and Iranian-made fighters and aging American jets. U.S. analysts cautioned, however, that Iraq would still have one of the weaker air forces in the region.

"They have a long ways to go before being even close to the Gulf states and Iran in air power," said Michael O'Hanlon, an Iraq expert at the Brookings Institution. Iraq's U.S.-allied neighbors Israel and Saudi Arabia each fly hundreds of modern military aircraft.

An Israeli official in Washington said that he wasn't sure whether Israel had been consulted about the potential sale or had any advance knowledge of the Iraqi request.

During previous Iraqi requests for weapons purchases, the Pentagon has said in its Congressional notification statements that the equipment and support "will not affect the basic military balance in the region."

The F-16 is one of the most widely exported fighters in the world. More than 4,400 have been built and are in service with 25 countries. The Israeli air force also operates F-16s, as do Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, UAE, Oman and Bahrain.

The F-16's ubiquity may help it avoid opposition on technological grounds. In contrast, the latest U.S. fighter, the F-22 Raptor, has a special law prohibiting its export. Some U.S. fighter-jet sales have been ensnared in broader diplomatic tussles, however, such as F-16s for Pakistan that were hampered by the country's nuclear ambitions.

The U.S. recently announced F-16 sales to Morocco and Romania. Those sales, each for roughly $100 million per plane with training, related equipment and support included, offer an indication of how lucrative the Iraq deal could be for Lockheed Martin and its suppliers, which include Raytheon, Boeing and engine makers such as General Electric Co. and United Technologies Corp.'s Pratt & Whitney.

Morocco's purchase of 24 F-16 jets is worth as much as $2.4 billion. The Romanian deal, for 48 new and upgraded planes, is worth as much as $4.5 billion.

Over the summer, the Defense Department announced that the Iraqi government wanted to order more than 400 armored vehicles and other equipment worth up to $3 billion, and six C-130J transport planes, worth up to $1.5 billion. The C-130s are also made by Lockheed.

Such sales come at a time when the defense industry is looking increasingly at foreign governments to offset an expected plateau or decline in the growth rate of Pentagon spending on weapons systems. Middle Eastern buyers, flush with oil revenue, are a big market for everything from U.S. transport planes to armored vehicles. Foreign countries also tend to buy years worth of services, training and support, making deals more lucrative to the manufacturers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122056503871901333.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

c'est quel block?

si c'est new ça sera surement des 50/52+, c'est le standard actuellement en production dans les chaine de montage.

advanced=50/52+

cj/dj?
merci pour les reponses

dr.docleo a écrit:

cj/dj?
merci pour les reponses

tu trouvera une réponse à toute tes questions concernant les différentes versions du F-16 ici:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions.html

dr.docleo a écrit:

cj/dj?
merci pour les reponses

ca se saura apres,les notres le sont en tout cas

Raptor a écrit:

dr.docleo a écrit:

cj/dj?
merci pour les reponses

tu trouvera une réponse à toute tes questions concernant les différentes versions du F-16 ici:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions.html

merci raptor je connais les versions de f-16, je posais la question sur la version achetée par les irakiens

yakousa a écrit:

dr.docleo a écrit:

cj/dj?
merci pour les reponses

ca se saura apres,les notres le sont en tout cas

d'accord camarade je croyais que le choix été déjà fait. merci pour tes réponses.

non hacha je réédite avec un autre msg! I just have not paid attention

just kidding

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Irak annonce son plan de l'expansion de la Force aérienne

L'Irak va acheter 516 avions militaires des États-Unis et de la France pour sa nouvelle Air Force, un haut responsable militaire irakien l'a dit
cette semaine...

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Iraq announces plan to expand the Air Force

Iraq will purchase 516 military aircraft from the United States and France for its new Air Force, a senior Iraqi military official said this week. The planes and helicopters will provide Iraq with its first significant air combat and strike capability, and are expected to cost billions of dollars.

General Nasier Abadi, vice chief of staff of the Iraqi Joint Forces, announced the initial orders on Nov. 2. The aircraft would be delivered to Iraq from 2011 to 2015. Iraq's current force has fewer than 100 aircraft. None of the aircraft currently in the Iraqi Air Force are strike planes or jets.

The first order is for 108 combat aircraft from the US and France, and is to be delivered in 2011. The aircraft on Iraq's shopping list provides insight into how Iraqis hope to configure their Air Force.

There three stages of upgrading the Iraqi Security Forces. Each stage consists of five years. The first stage, currently in progress, began in 2006 and will last until 2011. Stage one is intended to build a basic force.

The second stage is designed to build the Air Force’s capabilities. Stage two lasts from 2011 to 2015. The arms purchases for the beginning of stage two have been and are being announced.

The third stage is to complete the training and improvements. Details of this stage are limited and this article will not address it. The focus of this article is on the announced arms purchases and what they indicate for stage two developments in the Iraqi Air Force.

The current focus of Iraqi Air Force development is building up support infrastructure and training personnel. The plan is to have 6,000 personnel and 10 air bases established to support the squadrons by 2011. However, it usually takes two years from the time an aircraft is ordered until it is delivered. This is why the Iraqi Air Force has started orders for Stage two.

During stage two, the Iraqi Air Force will receive 516 aircraft. The Iraqi Air Force has ordered 36 F16 fighters, 24 AT-6B trainers, 24 EC-635 Utility/Attack Helos, and 24 Bell-407 Armed Recon Helos, all to be delivered in 2011. The trainer aircraft are probably a one-time buy. The others are probably the first of five yearly deliveries, with the remaining extras being additional fighters. Twenty-four aircraft are standard for an Iraqi helicopter squadron and 18 aircraft appears to be the standard for the fighter squadrons.

Since 516 aircraft are being bought for delivery 2011-2015, and 108 are already ordered for delivery in 2011, this means 408 remain for the period 2012-2015, and the Iraqis will purchase 102 aircraft per year. There are 84 aircraft accounted for in the helicopter and fighter purchases, leaving 18 per year not accounted for. The standard number of aircraft in a fighter squadron is 18, which means that they are buying a training squadron for 2011 and then additional fighters for the remaining four years. Aircraft deliveries for 2011-2015 work out to the following mix of squadrons:

• 2011: 2 fighter, 1 trainer, 1 armed recon helo, and 1 attack helo Squadron.
• 2012: 3 fighter, 1 armed recon helo, and 1 utility/attack helo squadron.
• 2013: 3 fighter, 1 armed recon helo, and 1 utility/attack helo squadron.
• 2014: 3 fighter, 1 armed recon helo, and 1 utility/attack helo squadron.
• 2015: 3 fighter, 1 armed recon helo, and 1 utility/attack helo squadron.
• Total of 25 squadrons (14 fighter, 1 trainer, 5 armed recon helo, and 5 attack helo squadrons).

There are seven existing Iraqi squadrons: one helicopter training (12th), one transport (23rd), two reconnaissance (3rd and 70th), one helicopter transport (4th), one utility/search and rescue helicopter (2nd), and one special operations squadron (15th-in training). There are at least two, and up to six, additional squadrons planned before 2011, judging from aircraft already being delivered: one to three transport helo, one to two reconnaissance, and one more transport squadron. Some of the helicopter transports could be used for special operations.

• Current Squadrons: 7 (1 transport, 2 recon, 1 helo training, 1 helo transport, 1 utility/search and rescue, and 1 special operations squadron).
• Squadrons adding prior to 2011: 2-6 (1 transport, 1-2 recon, and 1-3 helo transport).
• Total projected Squadrons by end of 2015: 34-38 (14 fighter, 1 trainer, 2 transport, 3-4 recon, 1 helo training, 2-4 helo transport, 1 util/SAR, 1 SOS, 5 armed recon helo, and 5 attack helo squadrons).
The December 2007 9010 Quarterly Report to Congress' mention of a planned target end strength of 38 squadrons fits this projection. Of note, the Lasta-95 trainer purchase is not included in this as there are some question as to whether they will ever be delivered. The helicopter purchases indicate that an aviation brigade is planned to support each of the four planned Iraqi Army Corps.

While all these squadrons will not be fully trained at the end of 2015, this schedule indicates that most, if not all of the squadrons will have their aircraft by the end of 2015. This fits with the Minister of Defense's statement that they should be independent in 2018 to 2020. He was allowing for training time, slippage in training time, budget delays, and delays in deliveries. The Iraqi Air Force is developing, but it will not be ready until sometime during stage three (2016-2020) of the Iraqi Security Force development plan.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/11/plans_for_iraqi_air.php

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Iraq seeks to buy 36 F-16 fighters from U.S.: report


(Reuters) - The Iraqi government is seeking to buy 36 advanced F-16
fighters from the U.S., American military officials familiar with the
request told the Wall Street Journal.

This move could help Iraq reduce its reliance on U.S. air power and
potentially allow more American forces to withdraw from the country
than had been proposed.

The F-16, made by Lockheed Martin Corp, is the most sophisticated weapons system Iraq has attempted to purchase so far.

Late in July, the U.S. Department of Defense had approved up to
$10.7 billion in arms sales for Iraq, including a $2.16 billion sale of
M1A1 Abrams tanks built by General Dynamics Corp.

The U.S. recently announced F-16 sales to Morocco and Romania. Those
sales, each for roughly $100 million per plane with training, related
equipment and support included, offer an indication of how lucrative
the Iraq deal could be for Lockheed Martin and its suppliers.

Iraq now appears determined to significantly expand the air power of
its military, which has become more competent and confident in recent
months but depends heavily on the U.S. for air support.

Iraq quickly has become one of the biggest weapons buyers in the
world as it seeks to strengthen and professionalise its fighting force.

No one was available at the U.S. Department of Defense for comment

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSBNG3180220080905

Ben voila ! maintenant plus la peine d'intervenir directement en Iran ! On arme bien l'Irak puis comme dans les Années 80 on organise un combat de coq

interessant,merci pour le topic BB

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Alors que l'Aviation Légère de l'Armée de Terre (ALAT) reçoit ses premiers hélicoptères de combat Tigre, une seconde vie s'ouvre pour le parc de Gazelle français. D'ors et déjà, six Tigre ont été livrés au 5ème Régiment d'Hélicoptère de Combat, huit à l’Ecole Franco-Allemande et un à la Gamsat.

En Irak

Et le marché de l’occasion vient offrir une nouvelle vie aux Gazelle française. Après le don des Emirats Arabes Unis d’appareils de ce type à l’armée libanaise, l’Irak a débuté des négociations avec la France pour l’achat de plusieures dizaines de machines. La dernière chaîne de production de Gazelle neuves (Mostar) ayant été fermée depuis plusieurs années, la France ne pourrait proposer que des systèmes d’occasion. L’intérêt pour les militaires irakiens réside dans leur formation initiale réalisée sur Gazelle (type 342). Alors que certains avancent le chiffre de 50 hélicoptères Gazelle pour l'armée Irakienne, cet intérêt interviendrait dans un contexte de reprise de la coopération avec l’Irak notamment dans le domaine militaire. Le ministre des Affaires étrangères, Bernard Kouchner avait invité, le 20 juin, une vingtaine de chefs de grandes entreprises françaises pour les inciter à réinvestir en Irak. Selon le Quai d’Orsay, les exportations françaises vers l’Irak représentent 0,7 % des importations totales irakiennes, c’est-à-dire 250 millions de dollars sur 35 milliards. Les Irakiens, qui connaissent bien les équipements militaires français (ils possédaient des ERC90, des VCT avec missiles Hot, Milan, Roland, des Mirage F1, des Alouette, des Super Frelon, des Gazelle, des Puma, des Super Puma...) sont demandeurs. La signature de protocole de coopération militaire entre Paris et Bagdad pourrait donc lever les derniers obstacles légaux.
En Tunisie

Par ailleurs, après plusieurs mois de négociations, la société Aerotec (dirigée par Paul Rossini avec, en appui, Jérôme Rivière, député UMP), en coopération avec la Délégation Générale pour l’Armement et Eurocopter, a signé avec la Tunisie la vente de cinq hélicoptères Gazelle (341). Ces appareils, sortis de l’Aviation légère de l'armée de terre (ALAT), seront modernisés. La prestation comprend également un important aspect de formation des pilotes. Conclu un peu comme un FMS américain, le contrat pourrait en appeler d’autres, sur des appareils similaires. A noter que l’armée de l’air tunisienne possède déjà cinq hélicoptères Gazelle. Avec cette acquisition, elle doublera la taille de sa flotte d’appareils de ce type.

http://www.ttu.fr/francais/Articles/gazelled'occasio.html

interessant! comme ça le rapport des forces entre l'iraq et l'iran risque de basculer du côté des iraqis car le point faible des iraniens est sans doute l'aviation militaire. si on considère que parmi les 516 avion 100 à 140 seront des chasseurs de dernière génération, de l'autre côté l'iran aligne de vieux F4, F5, une vingtaine de F-14 que je doute fort qu'ils soient en état de vol et les seigheh (sa3i9a)

Raptor a écrit:

interessant! comme ça le rapport des forces entre l'iraq et l'iran risque de basculer du côté des iraqis car le point faible des iraniens est sans doute l'aviation militaire. si on considère que parmi les 516 avion 100 à 140 seront des chasseurs de dernière génération, de l'autre côté l'iran aligne de vieux F4, F5, une vingtaine de F-14 que je doute fort qu'ils soient en état de vol et les seigheh (sa3i9a)

Ils ont aussi des MirageF1, Su-24 Su-25 et Mig-29 mais ca n'empeche pas qu'avec les prochains 36 F-16 L'Irak aura largement le dessus sur l'Iran