Armée Israélienne / Israel Defense Forces (IDF)

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ils sont tres modifiés les Apaches de l'IDF,question
qu'es ce que c'est les deux demi boules sur les moignons d'ailes?

Les Shahaf vont étre modernisé

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IAF Surveillance Plane Gets Upgraded



The Shachaf surveillance plane is being upgraded, including new surveillance and communication systems and new interior design

Bar Josephine Dadon, Bamahane magazine


IAF eyes can now see better. A new observing system was recently installed in the IAF’s surveillance seaplane, the Shachaf, allowing operators to see farther than they could in the past without moving close to dangerous areas.

The system was installed in the Shachaf as part of a project to update the planes, substantially improving their abilities and allowing them to continue flying in the IDF in coming years. “For the plane, this is a huge step up in every way,” said the department of aircraft engineering.

Within the framework of this project, which cost security forces 22 million shekels, systems used for daily patrols were also updated allowing for better communication with counterparts on land and sea. This system, a new version of the Navy’s control and surveillance system also installed on the plane, holds more information than it ever has, collecting information midflight. The latter will allow for better cooperation between military arms in the moment of truth.

Additionally, the IAF considered interior design. “We thought about and planned the stations in the plane making its interior comfortable and conducive for a working environment,” said an IAF officer and member of the project to upgrade Shachaf, Capt. Ronen Cogan. “The crew’s ability to operate comfortably inside the plane directly affects the success of a mission.”

The new systems to be installed on the plane were developed in the Aerospace Industry with the IAF and Navy. “The Shachaf planes are operational and important to the IAF and the Navy, of the same importance that a ships holds for the latter,” added Capt. Cogan.

The Shachaf planes are part of squadron Anakey Hamidbar which operates in the Nevatim Airbase of the IAF. Up until February 2009, the squadron was held in the Lod Air Force Base but was moved to Nevatim as part of the IDF’s general move to southern Israel.

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Quelques jours aprés la défaite electorale d'obama israel va enfin recevoir ses 1000 GBU-39 aprés deux ans d'embargo de l'administration americaine.

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Israel receives advanced precision-strike bombs from U.S. after two-year delay

TEL AVIV — The Israeli military has received its first batch of advanced U.S. bombs.

Officials said the Israel Air Force has taken delivery of its first shipment of GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs from the United States. They said the bombs, approved in 2008, had been held up by the administration of President Barack Obama for nearly two years.
"This is a very important weapon," an official said.

The GBU-39, which weighs 250 pounds or 111.3 kilograms, is manufactured by Boeing. The bomb was designed to be meant for precision strikes in urban areas.
In 2008, then-President George W. Bush approved an Israeli request to purchase 1,000 GBU-39s. Israel was said to have been the first foreign country to receive the U.S. weapon in a deal reported at $77 million.

Officials said the Obama administration cited the need for deployment in Afghanistan in withholding the GBU-39 to Israel. They said the White House approved the delivery of the bombs in the summer of 2010 amid the administration's efforts to reduce tension with Israel before the congressional elections in November.

Israel has not reported how many GBU-39 units were delivered or approved for Israel. The Jerusalem Post, which disclosed the initial delivery, said the F-15I fleet of the Israel Air Force would be the first recipients of the bombs.

The Post also reported that Israel would receive its first shipment of the laser variant of the U.S.-origin Joint Direct Attack Munition. The laser model, which contains a laser seeker and is also produced by Boeing, was said to enhance attacks against moving ground targets.
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Les républicains sont de retour, les affaires reprennent

Samyadams a écrit:

Les républicains sont de retour, les affaires reprennent

Tant mieux,avec le programme de modernisation de l'armée de l'air il va y'avoir pas mal de contracts qui vont ce debloquer

Make attention GDS, meme si le parti republicain domine le congrés, le veto d'Obama est toujours possible !
Sans compter le senat qui peut aussi faire trainer tel ou tel contrat.

PGM

Commando de marine S'13 remarquer les AK-47.

Soldats de haute montagne

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Israel top US Foreign Military Sales customer list


US military sales overseen by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) topped $30 billion for the third consecutive year. Total sales for fiscal year 2010 were $31.6 billion.

The Government of Israel at $4.0 billion led the FMS customer list with the highest value in sales, followed by the Government of Egypt at $2.6 billion. Israel and Egypt are also the largest recipients of Foreign Military Financing (FMF) funds appropriated by Congress through the State Department to be used to pay for purchases of U.S. defense articles and services.

Sales under the government-to-government sales program called Foreign Military Sales (FMS) were $25.2 billion. Non-FMS security cooperation cases managed by DSCA under various security cooperation authorities were $6.4 billion.

The DoD program for support of Afghanistan's security forces using the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund (ASFF) made up the majority of non-FMS security cooperation cases in fiscal year 2010 and totaled some $4.7 billion.

This reflected continued support to the Government of Afghanistan in its fight against the Taliban and other insurgent forces. This ASFF-funded support was for training and equipping of the Afghanistan National Security Forces. Non-FMS security cooperation cases also provided support to other foreign governments, including Iraq and Pakistan.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at $2.5 billion and the Government of the United Kingdom at $1.8 billion rounded out the top four FMS customers in terms of the value of sales.

DSCA includes in its sales totals FMS cases that have been accepted through September 30th each year, meaning that the cases have been signed by both the United States and the foreign customer. Non-FMS security cooperation cases are counted when the case is signed by the DoD representative.

FMS and other security cooperation programs support US national defense and foreign policy by helping our partners to acquire the defense articles, services and training they need to provide for their own defense and to be interoperable with US and partner nations during coalition operations.

defenseworld

GlaivedeSion a écrit:

Commando de marine S'13 remarquer les AK-47.

ils utilisent des AK 47 car les Galil sont une catastrophe, les M16 des jouets avec une munition précise mais manquant de puissance, le tavor je sais pas ?

tu n es pas serieux j espere? parcque tu pouvais dire aussi que S'13 n'ont pas de quoi acheter une vraie arme c est drole aussi comme l'explication que tu as donnee.
serieux je crois que soit pour eviter de se faire localiser par le son, le son d un ak c est pas le meme qu un M16 ou autre. et les ennemi d israel sont tres pro et font la difference, 2eme possibilite se faire passer pour des membres de la resistance de hizballah ou bien de l armee syrienne qui utilisent des ak. et donc il faut s habituer a cet arme.

Doucement on se calme la S13 a no limit en budget (les contribuables americains et allemands payent)

apres effectivement si tu veux te faire passer pour un soldat syrien il vaut mieux avoir un ak qu'un G36

les forces speciales ont besoin d'une arme fiable avec un risque d'enrayement proche de 0, les M16 et galil sont précis mais pas fiables (pour le M16 il a fallu attendre la version d'HK la 416/417 pour avoir une arme potable)

le klash est peu précis, avec une munition instable, lourd, désuet mais fiable c'est aussi simple que ça !

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serieux je crois que soit pour eviter de se faire localiser par le son

oui c'est exact et je crois qu'il y as aussi le "battlefield pickup" au cas ou ils seront a cours de munitions durant une mission

Sur Al Jazeera ils annoncent le crash d'un F16 dans le negev !

PGM a écrit:

Make attention GDS, meme si le parti republicain domine le congrés, le veto d'Obama est toujours possible !
Sans compter le senat qui peut aussi faire trainer tel ou tel contrat.

PGM

C'est Obama lui méme qui a debloqué la vente avant les elections,histoire de modifié ponctuellement sa politique vis a vis d'israel,mais cela n'a tromper personne.
Les republicains veulent faire passer une loi permettant que l'aide militaire d'israel passe directement sous la responsabilité du pentagone et non du departement d'etat histoire d'evité tout chantage politique avec les contracts deja conclus,on verra si le projet aboutira....

glaivedesion nous aimerions avoir tes lumieres sur l'experience de ton armee / galil / fal / m16 ?
le tavor va t-il remplacer toutes les autres armes ?

Historiquement Israël utlise des armes russes depuis les grosses prises de guerre de 67,73. Israël a mis la main sur des centaines de chars,vci et armes légères.tout a été recycle utilement. Les T55 sont devenus les premiers vci lourds. Les ak47 sont utilses aussi depuis cette époque. Si le m16 est légion au sein de Tsahal, c' est pas en raison de ses qualités intrinsèques , mais parce que les US ont innonde le pays (don). Pourrquoi des lors dépenser des fortunes ? Surtout que la doctrine isrelienne en matière de conduite de guerre, conforte surtout l'aéro-blindes, ou le fusil d'assaut n' a que peu de place.chez Tsahal, c'est pragmatisme avant tout.

GDS, comment s'inserent les chasseurs de haute montagne dans la doctrine isrelienne ? Et pour quelle utilité compte tenu de la topographie locale ?

PGM

PGM a écrit:

Historiquement Israël utlise des armes russes depuis les grosses prises de guerre de 67,73. Israël a mis la main sur des centaines de chars,vci et armes légères.tout a été recycle utilement. Les T55 sont devenus les premiers vci lourds. Les ak47 sont utilses aussi depuis cette époque. Si le m16 est légion au sein de Tsahal, c' est pas en raison de ses qualités intrinsèques , mais parce que les US ont innonde le pays (don). Pourrquoi des lors dépenser des fortunes ? Surtout que la doctrine isrelienne en matière de conduite de guerre, conforte surtout l'aéro-blindes, ou le fusil d'assaut n' a que peu de place.chez Tsahal, c'est pragmatisme avant tout.

GDS, comment s'inserent les chasseurs de haute montagne dans la doctrine isrelienne ? Et pour quelle utilité compte tenu de la topographie locale ?

PGM

Bon,si tu me permet PGM je vais d'abord remettre les pendules a l'heure avant de repondre a tes questions.

Le commando de marine S'13 fait partie de l'elite des forces speciales mondiales,a ce titre les operateurs de ce commando on droit a un privilége rare,il peuvent choisir l'arme avec laquel ils irons au combat,ils ont méme le droit de commander ou d'amener leurs armes personnels,a ce titre rien d'etonnant de voir des AK,des M4,des Galil,des Uzi,des tavors,des shootgun,des SR25,des negev etc etc alors franchement tiré des conclusion hative comme certains du genre le M-16 c'est de la merde,le galil c'est de la merde blablabla cela reléve d'un grand amateurisme suivez mon regard

Bien,alors les chasseurs alpins sont des forces speciales mais chose rare dans Tsahal se sont des reservistes,mais attention ils sont tous volontaire et ils ont tous fait partie d'autre forces speciales ayant servit dans le nord du pays ou dans le centre,la selection est trés dur ils vont réguliérement s'entrainé en norvege et en france. leurs missions est de defendre le golan en periode hivernal,mais surtout de securisé les lieux a haute valeurs répartie sur le plateau du golan,et sur le mont meron.
Sinon comme compétence ils savent ce battre en skiant,ce deplacé en ski-parapante,faire de l'escalade,construire des planques sous la neige pour la surveillance,organisé des traques aux intrus etc etc bref comme le plupart des bonnes unités de haute montagne dans le monde,a noté quand méme que lorsque il arrive un accident sur le mont hermon ou dans le golan en période hivernale ils sont préfére aux pompiers pour organisé des recherches ou portés secours.
Comme moyens de deplacement ils ont des snow-cats et des scooter des neiges .

En ce qui concerne la topographie faut savoir que le mont hermon par exemple culmine a 2814 métre et le mont meron a 1208 métre,ils sont a la frontiére avec la syrie et le liban,et ces deux mont acceuille des stations de renseignements electroniques et durant l'hiver ces monts sont enneigé donc il est normal que tsahal dispose de ce genre de force speciales.
Voila PGM,j'espére avoir répondu a tes questions.

Merci pour tes éclaircissements.

PGM

C'est malheureusement officiel,un pilote et son navigateur son mort de le crash de leurs F-16
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=194812

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DATE:11/11/10
SOURCE:Flight International
F-16I crash halts Israeli training flights
By Arie Egozi

The Israeli air force suspended training flights with its Lockheed Martin F-16I "Sufa" strike aircraft on 10 November, following a fatal accident.

An F-16I crashed during a training mission in the Ramon crater in southern Israel, with the air force confirming the following day that its two crew members had been killed.

Pilots of other F-16Is in the area saw the aircraft hit the ground. Its pilot and weapon-systems operator did not transmit any distress signal before the crash. Rescue teams located the debris shortly after the accident.

Israeli air force commander Maj Gen Ido Nechustan has appointed a board of inquiry to investigate the cause of the crash.

The loss reduces Israel's F-16I fleet to 100 aircraft, according to Flightglobal's MiliCAS database. The air force acquired 102 of the type, with its only previous loss having occurred in 2006, when an aircraft's landing gear failed during take-off.

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F-16I Soufa Aircraft Crashes in Southern Israel
On Wednesday night (Nov. 11), an IAF fighter jet crashed in a crater in southern Israel during routine training. Search and rescue forces are searching the area for the two missing crew members

Jonatan Urich

A two-seater F-16I fighter jet (dubbed Soufa, or storm) crashed in Makhtesh Ramon (a large crater in southern Israel) during training on Wednesday night (Nov. 10). Search and rescue forces were immediately called to the area and began conducting extensive searches for the plane and its two crew members. Search and rescue efforts continue with many more IAF forces joining the effort.
The black box (a flight recorder) was discovered on Thursday (Nov. 11) and will be sent to a lab in the US. Members of the Military Rabbinate are still at work at the crash site to complete the identification of the two crew members, still considered missing: Maj. Amihai Itkis, a 28-year-old pilot from Sde Warburg and Maj. Emanuel Levy, a 30-year-old navigator from Ma’ale Adumim. The pilots’ families have been notified notified.

The Crash

Air Force Chief of Staff, Brig. Gen. Nimrod Shefer, said on Thursday (Nov. 11) that “the crew which flew the Soufa plane that crashed last night was a veteran crew, able and experienced, which we trust fully.” According to the Brig. Gen., “Maj. Itkis was considered an experienced pilot very familiar with the Soufa and the navigator, too, Maj. Levy, was one of the first navigators of this plane.”
IAF Commander Maj. Gen. Ido Nechushtan ordered an investigation committee to be formed on Wednesday (Nov. 10) and headed by an officer with the rank of Colonel to examine circumstances for the event. In addition, the IAF Commander has ordered a stop to all training for Soufa jets.

Nine crew members killed in fatal aerial accidents in recent years

The last fatal training accident of IAF fighter jets occurred in September of 2009 when an F-16A fighter plane crashed near the Pnei Hever settlement south of the Hebron Hills. IDF officer and IAF pilot Lt. Assaf Ramon was killed in the crash. The plane crashed in a routine flight during an advanced training course. The investigation committee determined there was no evidence of technical failures.

In October of 2008 a Fouga Magister plane from a flight school located above the HaBesor Stream crashed during a flight for altitude training. Capt. Matan Assa and 2nd Lt. Carmi Ilan perished in the crash. The following investigation determined that no technical failures occurred and the accident was caused by human error.

Wednesday’s training was carried out according to the flight school’s procedures. The investigation has revealed that the flight took place under sound weather conditions, that the exercise had been done for many years in the IAF and that the flight team was qualified.

Three months ago, six IAF crew members were killed in a crash of the Yasur helicopter during training in Romania. Seven crew members, four pilots, two aircraft mechanics and one observer from the Romanian Air Force were in the helicopter at the time.
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