Guerre Israël-Gaza Octobre 2023

pyromane a écrit:

Samurai a écrit:

pyromane a écrit:

Les vautours sont de sortie pour cracher sur la résistance. Ca doit être difficile pour eux de voir que la super puissance sioniste de la mort qui tue, galère face à des ados pieds nous.
Sinon l'accord n'a pas été accepté par les sionistes, et la dernière fois que le Hamas a dit oui en Mai le cancer sioniste a répondu par une attaque dévastatrice sur les civils de Rafah, donc normal qu'aujourd'hui ils demandent plus de garanties. Le HAMAS a toujours été clair,  aucun accord ne peut être signé s'il ne prévoit pas un retour au statut d'avant 7 octobre. Hier la maison blanche disait que les amendements du Hamas sont mineurs, et Blinken sort de chez les sionistes en mettant la responsabilité sur le Hamas alors que les génocidaires eux même n'ont pas accepté l'accord. Bref on essaye de sauver la face parce que cette fois ci l'accord émane du CS et Blinken ne veut pas donner l'impression que ses amis désobéissant au CS, même si ca ne serait pas la première fois.

Pourquoi donc ils ont déclenché cette guerre si leur objectif le plus optimiste c'est le status quo ante bellum ?
Ofc c'est pour que les hérétiques iraniens aient des concessions géopolitiques et pour torpiller un deal entre l'Arabie Saoudite et les US, en quoi cela aide la cause palestinienne ?

Gauchiste, Iran, transgenre... ca doit tevfaire des nœuds dans la tête que les palestiniens existent encore, tu n'arrives pas à inventer un truc crédible du coup tu dis n'importe quoi ?

Le Hamas veut :
- la levée du blocus
- l'arrêt de la colonisation
- la libération des otages palestiniens
- l'arrêt des hostilités en final.

Crois tu que les sionistes ont proposé ne serait ce qu'un de ces points ? Si oui dis moi lequel et on peut en débattre, le reste c'est du blabla.

Moi si je donne mon avis sur Israel tu vas me traiter "d'antisémite" je les emmerde
Moi j'essaye de comprendre la stratégie "guérilla" débile du Hamas
Alors toi tu prétends que le Hamas a lancé son opération le 7 Octobre pour les 4 points que tu as énuméré et au final ils les ont abandonné pour demander un status quo ante bellum ?
Les iraniens grattent les concessions (+ de part de marché sur le marché de pétrole, levée de certaines sanctions, bloquer une alliance militaire entre l'Arabie Saoudite et les US) en contre partie de ne pas "upgrade the intensity with the other proxies"
Et les palestiniens qu'est ce qu'ils auront ? A FUCKING STATUS QUO ANTE BELLUM with gaza fully destroyed helping Israel with the demographic war on the longer run, because guess what Israel will not be deterred to stop any of these
"- la levée du blocus
- l'arrêt de la colonisation
- la libération des otages palestiniens
- l'arrêt des hostilités en final."
You're delusional if you believe the slogans they engineered for plebeians

Un peu de contexte pour ceux qui semblent "oublier" :

Un conflit très toxique pour nous.
Resté loin de tout ça aidé les palestiniens comité Al Qds ......... Pas plus pas moi 

Samedi, les sionistes ont confirmé la mort de 8 de leurs combattants suite à une attaque contre un blindé Panther, Le Hamas annonce qu'il a utilisé une roquette Alyassine 105, mais vu le peu d'efficacité de ces roquettes depuis le début de la guerre contre les blindés je reste dubitatif face à ces dégâts. Des sources US ont même annoncé que l'explosion était si puissante que les cadavres des combattants étaient éparpillés sur une grande zone ce qui a rendu la recherche des corps encore plus difficile. Pensez vous que le HAMAS a du changé quelque chose dans ses roquettes ou que c'est juste un coup de chance ?

D'après l'enquête préliminaire du Tsahal. La requête a été tirée d'une courte distance ce qui a fait que le système Trophée n'a pas pu réagir à temps et neutraliser la requête. Le deuxième points est que le blindé en question transportait des munitions qui ont du exploser . Ce qui n'a laissé aucune chance aux soldats qui étaient dans le blindé.

Ces blindés ne sont pas équipé de blowout panels?

Il aut vraiment un SMRI (une espèce de contre MEMRI) pour montrer la cruauté de ces sauvages.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1803012922878161395?s=19

C'est difficile de dire si on a pas les circonstances précises de l'attaque. Vu ce qui est décrit comme dégâts, on peut imaginer que le véhicule avait ses portes arrières ouvertes et que la roquette a été tirée dans l'habitacle où des munitions étaient stockées.

Après, le Panther reste un camion légèrement blindé, capable d'arrêter tout au plus du calibre .50 normalement. Une roquette de 105 millimètres doit sans problème le perforer et faire sauter les munitions qui sont stockées dedans.

Grosse Failure à la 911

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

pyromane a écrit:

Grosse Failure à la 911

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

Je le disais depuis le debut, au mieux leur arrogance crasse est revenue les frapper ou au pire Netanyahu est la reincarnation de Machiavelli.

Voilà le projet des sionistes qui osent parler de paix, guerre de civilisation et colonisation, tout le reste c'est du blabla :

Benyamin Netanyahou au Figaro : «C’est une guerre de civilisation !»

Kille24 a écrit:

pyromane a écrit:

Grosse Failure à la 911

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806634

Je le disais depuis le debut, au mieux leur arrogance crasse est revenue les frapper ou au pire Netanyahu est la reincarnation de Machiavelli.

Ca m'étonnerait très fort que Netanyahu ait délibéremment laissé les attaques du 7 octobre se produire. C'est plus probablement un enchaînement d'erreurs et de mauvais calculs qui ont permis au Hamas de passer à l'action sans problème.

Après, Netanyahu essaie de faire oublier sa responsabilité avec cette guerre totale qui, plus longtemps elle dure, plus elle
reporte à plus tard le moment où il devra rendre des comptes. Et éliminer le Hamas (voire tous les Palestiniens) permettra peut-être de faire oublier son incompétence criminelle à sa population.

Surement un autre antisémite

En tout cas, des drones du Hezbollah se promènent au-dessus d'Israël :

Les animaux sionistes tombent le masque.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bj02iosur

Un rapport de l'ONU accuse Israël de crimes contre l'Humanité :

Un véhicule israélien détruit par ce qui ressemble à un missile antichars chinois HJ-8L.

Al-Qassam Brigades destroyed an IDF Engineering Vehicle in Rafah, Gaza Strip.

The attack was carried out with a very rare 'HJ-8L' (Red Arrow) anti-tank guided missile which was manufactured by China pic.twitter.com/c5PUX7CRPF

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) June 24, 2024

Trouoes d'élite en action

https://x.com/AJA_Palestine/status/1808938894672712057?s=19

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

Citation :

IDF ordered Hannibal directive on October 7 to prevent Hamas taking soldiers captive

Yaniv Kubovich10-12 minutes 07/07/2024

Gaza Division operations and airstrikes in the first hours of October 7 were based on limited information. The first long moments after the Hamas attack was launched were chaotic. Reports were coming in, with their significance not always clear. When their meaning was understood, it was realized that something horrific had taken place.

Communication networks could not keep up with the flow of information, as was the case for soldiers sending these reports. However, the message conveyed at 11:22 A.M. across the Gaza Division network was understood by everyone. "Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza" was the order.

At this point, the IDF was not aware of the extent of kidnapping along the Gaza border, but it did know that many people were involved. Thus, it was entirely clear what that message meant, and what the fate of some of the kidnapped people would be.

This was not the first order given by the division with the intent of foiling kidnapping even at the expense of the lives of the kidnapped, a procedure known in the army as the "Hannibal procedure."

Hamas terrorists breach the Israel-Gaza border on the morning of October 7.

Hamas terrorists breach the Israel-Gaza border on the morning of October 7.Credit: Hani Alshaer/Anadolu Agency via Reuters Connect

Documents obtained by Haaretz, as well as testimonies of soldiers, mid-level and senior IDF officers, reveal a host of orders and procedures laid down by the Gaza Division, Southern Command and the IDF General Staff up to the afternoon hours of that day, showing how widespread this procedure was, from the first hours following the attack and at various points along the border.

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Haaretz does not know whether or how many civilians and soldiers were hit due to these procedures, but the cumulative data indicates that many of the kidnapped people were at risk, exposed to Israeli gunfire, even if they were not the target.

At 6:43 A.M., at which time rocket barrages were launched at Israel and thousands of Hamas operatives were attacking army strongholds and the division's observation and communications capabilities, the division's commander Brig. Gen. Avi Rosenfeld declared that "the Philistines have invaded."

This is the procedure when an enemy invades Israeli territory, upon which a division commander can assume extraordinary authority, including the employment of heavy fire inside Israeli territory, in order to block an enemy raid.

A very senior IDF source confirmed to Haaretz that the Hannibal procedure was employed on October 7, adding that this was not used by the divisional commander. Who did give the order? This, said the source, will perhaps be established by post-war investigations.

In any case, says a defense official who is familiar with the October 7 operations at the Gaza Division, in the morning hours "no one knew what was going on outside." He says that Rosenfeld was in the war room, not emerging, "while outside a world war was raging."

Hamas terrorists driving to the Erez crossing in southern Israel on the morning of October 7.

Hamas terrorists driving to the Erez crossing in southern Israel on the morning of October 7.Credit: Mohammed ABED / AFP

"Everyone was shocked by the number of terrorists who had penetrated the base. Even in our nightmares, we didn't have plans for such an attack. No one had a clue about the number of people kidnapped or where army forces were. There was crazy hysteria, with decisions made without any verified information," he continued.

One of these decisions was made at 7:18 A.M., when an observation post at the Yiftah outpost reported that someone had been kidnapped at the Erez border crossing, adjacent to the IDF's liaison office. "Hannibal at Erez" came the command from divisional headquarters, "dispatch a Zik." The Zik is an unmanned assault drone, and the meaning of this command was clear.

This wasn't the last time that such an order was heard over the communications network. Over the next half hour, the division realized that Hamas terrorists had managed to kill and abduct soldiers serving at the crossing and at the adjacent base. Then, at 7:41 A.M., it happened again: Hannibal at Erez, an assault on the crossing and the base, just so that no more soldiers be taken. Such commands were given later as well.

The Erez border crossing was not the only place this happened. Information obtained by Haaretz and confirmed by the army shows that throughout that morning, the Hannibal procedure was employed at two other locations penetrated by terrorists: the Re'im army base, where the divisional headquarters were located, and the Nahal Oz outpost in which female spotters were based. This did not prevent the kidnapping of seven of them or the killing of 15 other spotters, as well as 38 other soldiers.

Over the next few hours, division headquarters started putting the pieces of the puzzle together, realizing the extent of the Hamas attack, but missing the invasion of Kibbutz Nir Oz, which the first army forces reached only after the terrorists had left. Regarding the frequency of employing the Hannibal procedure, it seems that nothing changed. Thus, for example, at 10:19 A.M. a report reached divisional headquarters indicating that a Zik had attacked the Re'im base.

Three minutes later, another such report arrived. At that time, Shaldag commando forces were already on the base fighting the terrorists. To this day, it's not clear whether one of them was hurt in the drone attack. What is known is that over the communications network there was a message asking everyone to make sure no soldier was outdoors on the base, since IDF forces were about to enter and drive out or kill remaining terrorists.

Vehicles in the parking lot of the Nova music festival, two days after Hamas attack.

Vehicles in the parking lot of the Nova music festival, two days after Hamas attack.Credit: SOUTH FIRST RESPONDERS / AFP

The decision to conduct attacks inside outposts, says a senior defense official, will haunt senior commanders all their lives. "Anyone making such a decision knew that our combatants in the area could be hit as well."

But such attacks took place, it turns out, not only inside outposts or bases. At 10:32 A.M., a new order was issued, according to which all battalions in the area were ordered to fire mortars in the direction of the Gaza Strip. Internal discussions in the army noted that this order, attributed to Brig. Gen. Rosenfeld, was heavily criticized, since at that time, the IDF did not have a complete picture of all the forces in the area, including soldiers and civilians. Some of these were in open areas or in woods along the border, trying to hide from the terrorists.

At that point, the army did not know the number of people who had been kidnapped. "We thought they numbered dozens at that stage," a military source told Haaretz. Firing mortars at the Gaza Strip would endanger them as well. Furthermore, another order given at 11:22 A.M., according to which no vehicle would be allowed to return to Gaza, took this a step further.

"Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers," a source in Southern Command told Haaretz. "There was no case in which a vehicle carrying kidnapped people was knowingly attacked, but you couldn't really know if there were any such people in a vehicle. I can't say there was a clear instruction, but everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza."

A new development occurred at 2:00 P.M. All the forces were instructed not to exit border communities toward the west, in the direction of the border, with an emphasis on not chasing terrorists. At that point, the border area was under intense fire, directed at anyone in that area, making it a danger zone.

"The instruction," says the source in Southern Command, "was meant to turn the area around the border fence into a killing zone, closing it off toward the west."

At 6:40 P.M., military intelligence believed that many terrorists were intending to flee together back to the Gaza Strip, in an organized manner. This was near Kibbutz Be'eri, Kfar Azza and Kissufim. Following this, the army launched artillery raids at the border fence area, very close to some of these communities. Shortly afterwards, shells were fired at the Erez border crossing. The IDF says it is not aware of any civilians being hurt in these bombardments.

Palestinians taking a hostage from Israel into Gaza.

Palestinians taking a hostage from Israel into Gaza.Credit: Hatem Ali/AP

Unrestricted fire

One case in which it is known that civilians were hit, a case that received wide coverage, took place in the house of Pessi Cohen at Kibbutz Be'eri. 14 hostages were held in the house as the IDF attacked it, with 13 of them killed. In the coming weeks, the IDF is expected to publish the results of its investigation of the incident, which will answer the question of whether Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, the commander of Division 99 who was in charge of operations in Be'eri on October 7, was employing the Hannibal procedure. Did he order the tank to move ahead even at the cost of civilian casualties, as he stated in an interview he gave later to the New York Times?

Over all the months that have passed, the IDF has refused to say whether this procedure was employed against civilians who had been taken hostage. It now seems that even if the answer is positive, the question may have been only a partial one. The actions of Hiram may have simply been congruent with the way the IDF operated that day.

The home of Pessi Cohen in Kibbutz Be'eri, last month.

The home of Pessi Cohen in Kibbutz Be'eri, last month.Credit: Eliyahu Hershkovitz

As far as Haaretz knows, even at 9:33 P.M. this was still the situation on the ground. At that time, there was a further order from Southern Command: close off all the border area with tanks. In fact, all forces in the area received permission to open fire at anyone approaching the border area, without any restrictions.

The IDF spokesman responded by saying that "the army has been fighting for six months at high intensity on several fronts, focused on attaining the war's objectives. In tandem, the IDF has begun conducting internal investigations of what transpired on October 7 and the preceding period. The aim of these investigations is to learn and to draw lessons which could be used in continuing the battle. When these investigations are concluded, the results will be presented to the public with transparency."

Des snipers snipés à 2000km

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1814370617539604662?s=19

Does Iran have any intelligence agencies? Seems Israel does whatever they want




https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/7/31/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-hits-beirut-in-assassination-operation

L'iran parle d'un missile de croisière. Mais en effet, gros fail de leur services. Au Liban comme à Téhéran.

Il y a eu aussi une tentative d'assassinat de Burhan au Soudan, je pense que ces attaques sont liées, Burhan est l'ami de Téhéran au Soudan, au minimum l'UAE étaient au courant et voulaient noyer leur attaque dans l'actualité sur Haniyah. Ca expliquerait pourquoi ça a échoué