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ils ont d'autres aeronefs servant dans l'aeronaval, l'armée de terre et la garde nationale.

Voici une vidéo des Su-30 MK2 qu'ils viennent de recevoir, quelqu'un pourrait nous dire quelles differences existent entre le Su 30 venezuelien et algérien ??
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Venezuela Receives 6 K-8s From China


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CARACAS, Venezuela - The Venezuelan Air Force has received the first six of an order for 18 K-8 Karakorum trainer, or light attack, planes from China, along with control systems to maintain the aircraft.

"Because we are going to transform Venezuela into an economic, social, moral and technological power, we require the ability to defend [ourselves]," President Hugo Chavez said in a March 13 ceremony as he praised his country's friendship with "socialist and revolutionary China."Related Topics

The Venezuelan and Chinese governments negotiated the acquisition in late 2008 as part of Caracas' move to modernize and replace its aging fleet, which is largely based on U.S. technology.
The K-8s are two-seater aircraft that can reach 40,000 feet. They can be equipped with machine guns and light bombs. The K-8s were jointly developed by China and Pakistan to support ground operations.
Gen. Jorge Arevalo, a regional military commander, said last year that China would make three deliveries of the warplanes in 2010, starting with this first installment.
Russia, China and Belarus are Venezuela's main military suppliers.
Last year, Caracas said it had obtained a $2.2 billion line of credit from Russia to purchase nearly 100 T-72 tanks and a series of anti-aircraft rocket systems from its strategic ally.
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Venezuela will add to armed K-8 fleet, says Chavez

Venezuela intends to acquire a second batch of Hongdu K-8W armed jet trainers from China, according to President Hugo Chavez.

Revealing the plan on 6 June during his weekly television programme, Chavez said the aircraft are intended to equip a second squadron, and to replace the air force's remaining Canadair VF-5A/Bs.

Indicating that a further 22 K-8Ws would be acquired, Chavez says $82 million has been set aside for the purchase.

The Venezuelan air force in March took delivery of its first six K-8Ws from an 18-aircraft order signed in late 2008. The type was acquired to fill a gap left following the retirement of its last Rockwell T-2D Buckeyes.

Although used primarily for advanced training duties, the new type is also expected to perform light strike tasks, as shown by its participation in an exercise earlier this month alongside the air force's Sukhoi Su-30s and Lockheed Martin F-16s.

The follow-on purchase raises questions as to whether the Venezuelan government will pursue the acquisition of 18 twin-engined Hongdu L-15 lead-in fighter trainers previously evaluated by air force personnel.

Meanwhile, the Venezuelan government is also negotiating possible further equipment purchases with Russia.

An undisclosed number of Ilyushin Il-114MP maritime patrol and strike aircraft are understood to be on its wishlist, along with 10 Mil Mi-28N attack helicopters and 12 Antonov An-148 transports.

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Venezuelan Navy Receives Final EEZ Patrol Vessel
The Venezuelan Navy has received the final of four exclusive economic zone (EEZ) vessels, the Karin, from Navantia at its facilities in San Fernando, Spain.
The vessel will undergo a wide range of missions including surveillance and protection of the EEZ, protection of maritime traffic, defence of strategic interests, search and rescue operations control, marine pollution, relief and humanitarian aid, information-gathering and passive electronic warfare.
In November 2005, Navantia signed a contract with the Venezuelan navy for the construction of four EEZ patrol vessels and four littoral surveillance ships (BVL).
The 98.90m-long offshore patrol vessel has a displacement capacity of 2,200t and can reach a maximum speed of 25kt.
The first littoral surveillance ship, the BVL Guaicamacuto, was delivered on 2 March 2010 and the other vessels are scheduled for delivery by the end of 2011.
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Venezuela will be incorporating several “non-atomic” submarines


Very soon “we will have our submarines cruising” which will be “normal submarines”, with no nuclear capacity at all, pointed out Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, in anticipation of any criticisms “that could suggest such an option”.


We will be launching our own submersibles. They won’t have atomic bombs, I’m saying so now, so they don’t accuse of us of becoming nuclear”, insisted the Venezuelan leader during his Sunday radio and television program “Aló Presidente”.
“They are normal submarines, they have conventional weapons, radars and all the rest, and a great capacity”, he added.
However he did not give any clue about the origin of the submarines.
Nevertheless it is believed they are Russian built, since their incorporation was begun to be talked about back in 2005.
Apparently they are three diesel-electric powered subs of the “Varshavianka” class, project 636 (‘Kilo’ according to NATO nomenclature), at a cost of over a billion US dollars of which 800 million were financed by Moscow.
The ‘Kilo’ class submersibles are third generation equipped with four 533 mm torpedo launchers and ten missile launchers from cruise Club-S.
These weapons could enable the subs to attack fixed or mobile submerged, coastal or sea surface targets under conditions of intense “radio-electronic” interference.
Currently the Venezuelan navy has two German built submarines U-209, launched in 1975 which were refurbished but are considered of “limited action” for the current scenario.

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Pour le aesa EL/M2052 je doute fort qu'il faisait parti du package, washington mettant de sérieuses restrictions à IAI sur ce type d'upgrade pour les F-16 et F-15 ( même ceux intégrant l'IAF).

Les américains se garde une part de marché non négligeable des upgrades, il s'agit içi de préserver les intérêts des firmes américaines !

Look this !
Arrow https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/armement-et-matriel-militaire-f3/f-16-around-the-world-t946-240.htm#60012[/quote]

je parle en general,pour le cas venezuelien,je ne sais pas precisement ,mais dans la mesure ou ce sont des AetB c'est une serieuse possibilité de voir toutes les modifications que j'ai indiqué ,si c'est pas le EL/m 2052 ,IAI propose aussi le EL/M2032


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Livraison de 12 radars JYL-1 3-D de surveillance longue distance au Venezuela
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Le 09 Avril 2010, Jane's defense weekly a annoncé la livraison de 12 radars de surveillance longue portée JYL-1 3-D au Venezuela avant la fin de l’année 2010. Ce radar va intégrer un réseau de surveillance aérienne dont l’achèvement est prévu pour 2013 et qui devrait couvrir l’ensemble du pays.
Le système peut être mobile comme sur la photo ou fixe. Sa portée est de l’ordre de 325 kilomètres avec une altitude pouvant atteindre 25.000 mètres.
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MOSCOW, Sept 22 (Reuters) - Russia's United Shipbuilding Company (USC) will deliver to Venezueala 10 crude oil tankers worth a total of $700 million, state-controlled news agency RIA reported on Wednesday quoting an USC official.

"The agreement foresees delivery of 10 vessels to Venezuela till 2016," RIA quoted Igor Ryabov as saying.

He said three aframax tankers will be built in South Korea's Daewoo plants, and seven will be produced in Russia.

In June, Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (042660.KS: Quote), the world's second-largest shipbuilder, formed a joint venture with USC, Zvezda DSME.

Ryabov said a special wharf will be set up at Zvezda DSME to produce aframax tankers with deadweight of more than 100,000 tonnes. (Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; editing by Lidia Kelly)

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S-300 destinés à l'Iran: possible achat par le Venezuela (expert russe)


Le Venezuela pourrait acheter les missiles sol-air russes S-300 destinés à l'Iran, a estimé vendredi Igor Korotchenko, directeur du Centre d'analyse du commerce mondial d'armes.
"Le président vénézuélien Hugo Chavez a décidé de créer un système de défense antiaérienne échelonnée. A cet égard, Caracas manifeste un grand intérêt pour les missiles sol-air russes à courte, moyenne et longue portée. Les missiles S-300MPU-1 produits pour l'Iran pourraient donc être vendus au Venezuela", a indiqué M.Korotchenko à RIA Novosti.
Fin septembre, le président russe Dmitri Medvedev a interdit l'exportation de missiles S-300, de blindés, d'avions et d'hélicoptères de combat et de navires militaires à l'Iran en application de la résolution 1929 du Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU adoptée le 9 juin dernier.
"La Russie doit trouver un acheteur pour les cinq divisions de missiles S-300 d'un coût total de 800 millions de dollars qui ont été commandés par l'Iran, et le Venezuela pourrait bien les acheter", a noté M.Korotchenko.
Dans le même temps, "la Russie ne doit pas créer un régime avantageux pour le Venezuela (en accordant un nouveau crédit pour cet éventuel contrat-ndlr). Les S-300 sont un très bon produit et le Venezuela doit les payer en espèces, il en a les moyens", a ajouté l'expert.
La Russie a déjà octroyé un crédit de 2,2 milliards de dollars au Venezuela pour l'achat de 92 chars T-72M1M, de lance-roquettes multiples Smertch, de missiles S-300VE et d'autres armements. Caracas a déjà acquis 24 chasseurs Su-30MK2V, 100.000 fusils d'assaut AK-103 (Kalachnikov), plus de 40 hélicoptères polyvalents Mi-17V-5, 5.000 fusils à lunette SVD, 12 missiles Tor-M1, des systèmes antiaériens ZU-23-2 et un lot de missiles sol-air mobiles Igla-S. La Russie construit trois usines militaires au Venezuela.
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Navantia has officially turned over the second of four BVL-type patrol vessels, the Yavire, ordered by the Venezuelan military in San Fernando, southern Spain.
The 262ft-long Yavire has a displacement capacity of 1,453t, can cruise at a speed of 22kt and can perform a variety of missions including surveillance and coastal zone protection, surface protection and passive electronic warfare.
Missions include maritime traffic protection, fire fighting, pollution control and cleanup, transportation of personnel and supplies, search and rescue operations, rapid intervention, and diver support.
Venezuela has also ordered four ocean-going offshore patrol vessels from Navantia, according to United Press Trust
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Venezuela consolida su soberanía al repotenciar submarino Sábalo S-31

El Gobierno Nacional, que preside el comandante Chávez, ha dado un respaldo a la FANB en todos sus componentes para actualizar los equipos que están a disposición de la defensa de la soberanía nacional

El pasado viernes 28 de enero fue entregado el Submarino Sábalo S-31, totalmente operativo y repotenciado, en acto trasmitido en cadena nacional que contó con la presencia del Presidente de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, después de un proceso de mantenimiento mayor y de reemplazo de componentes tecnológicos, realizado con una alta participación de ingenieros, técnicos y empresas venezolanas.

Tras este acto, el presidente del Instituto de Ingeniería para la Investigación y Desarrollo Tecnológico (Fiidt), organismo adscrito al Ministerio del Poder Popular para Ciencia Tecnología e Industrias Intermedias (MCTI), Raúl Pacheco, realizó una visita el día jueves 3 de febrero de 2011, a las instalaciones del Escuadrón de Submarinos de la Armada Bolivariana indicó el MCTI.

La visita atendió a la invitación efectuada por el capitán de navío Eladio Jiménez, comandante del submarino Sábalo, y tuvo como finalidad revisar logros y programar la continuación del convenio suscrito desde 2004 entre el Ministerio del Poder Popular para la Defensa y el MCTI, en el cual participaron la empresa Diques y Astilleros Nacionales C.A. (Dianca) responsable de las unidades Sábalo S-31 y Caribe S-32 y la Fiidt como proveedor de servicios tecnológicos.

Transferencia tecnológica

En esta visita, Pacheco hizo un recuento del aporte realizado en materia de desarrollo tecnológico por la Fiidt, incluyendo el mantenimiento del Sistema Integrado de Sensores Submarinos (ISUS) elemento vital para la navegación, la aplicación de ingeniería de reversa de tarjetas electrónicas, el mantenimiento preventivo y correctivo de partes y piezas, la documentación de todos los procesos, así como la transferencia de tecnología a la Armada de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, proceso inscrito en la política de soberanía tecnológica trazada por el Gobierno Bolivariano.

El encuentro sirvió para adelantar conversaciones e identificar propuestas para futuros desarrollos tecnológicos que garantizarán el mantenimiento y operatividad de los submarinos Sábalo y Caribe.

Esta experiencia es la demostración palpable de la altísima capacidad existente en el país para asumir retos tecnológicos y superar la dependencia de los suministros y desarrollo tecnológicos foráneos, en asuntos de elevada complejidad y vitales para la seguridad y defensa nacional.

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Venezuela consolidates its sovereignty to repower Sábalo submarine S-31

The National Government, headed by Commander Chavez has given support to the fanbase in all its components to upgrade computers that are available to the defense of national sovereignty
On Friday 28 January was given the submarine Sabalo S-31 and boosting fully operational in a ceremony broadcast on national television that was attended by the President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, after a process of major maintenance and replacement of technological components, realized with a high share of engineers, technicians and Venezuelan companies.

After this ceremony, the president of the Engineering Institute for Research and Technological Development (Fiidt), agency of the Ministry of Popular Power for Science Technology and Industry Intermediate (MCTI), Raul Pacheco, visited on Thursday 3 February 2011, to the facilities of Submarine Squadron Bolivarian Navy said MCTI.

The visit served to the invitation made by Captain Eladio Jimenez, commander of the submarine Tarpon, and aimed to review progress and plan the continuation of the agreement signed in 2004 between the Ministry of People's Power for Defense and the MCTI in the company attended by National CA Dykes and Shipyards (Dianca) responsible for the units Sábalo and Caribbean S-31 S-32 and Fiidt as a provider of technology services.

Technology transfer
On this visit, Pacheco gave an account of contributions made in technological development by Fiidt, including the maintenance of Integrated Sensor Underwater System (ISUS) vital for navigation, the application of reverse engineering electronic card, maintenance preventive and corrective maintenance and spare parts, documentation of all processes, and technology transfer to the Navy of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, registered in the political process of technological sovereignty drawn by the Bolivarian Government.

The meeting served to further discussions and to identify proposals for future technological developments that will ensure the maintenance and operation of submarines Sábalo and the Caribbean.

This experience is a tangible demonstration of the highest capacity in the country to face challenges and overcome technological dependence on foreign supplies and technological development, in matters of high complexity and vital to national security and defense.

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Russia says S-300 deliveries to Venezuela pending



Deliveries of S-300 missile defense systems to Venezuela have been delayed, but will go ahead, an official at Rosoboronexport, Russia's state-owned arms export monopoly, said on Tuesday.
In November, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said that Russia had agreed to lend his country over $4 billion to buy weapons.
"There is a contract with Venezuela but it's not yet being implemented," Rosoboronexport special programs director Nikolai Dimidyuk told reporters.
"Venezuela has rescheduled the dates several times, but now we have agreed on a timeframe for the deliveries," he added.
Venezuela is one of the biggest buyers of Russian arms.

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CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuelan and French authorities have seized 3.6 metric tons of cocaine aboard a vessel in the Caribbean Sea.
Venezuelan Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami says seven suspects were arrested during the anti-drug operation off Venezuela's coast.
Venezuela is a major hub for gangs that smuggle Colombian cocaine to the United States and Europe.
El Aissami said Wednesday that Venezuela is cooperating with foreign governments to fight drug smuggling. He called Tuesday's bust "a tough blow" to traffickers.
U.S. officials have accused President Hugo Chavez's government of lax anti-drug efforts.
Chavez counters that his government is doing everything possible to stem the flow of drugs through Venezuela.

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Chávez’s purchase of $15 billion in weapons causes concern in Latin America




With the acquisition of hundreds of tanks, helicopters and bulletproof vehicles as well as submarines and missile networks, Venezuela is arming itself at a speed unprecedented in the history of the South American country.
Experts consulted by El Nuevo Herald have said that Hugo Chávez’s has created unrest in the region with purchases to expand its military that total more than $15 billion.
The analysts warned that the purchases are made in an improvised fashion, following a “dubious” process with no bidding or prior studies, which could lead the country to acquire a Russian technology difficult to adopt and rejected by segments of the National Armed Forces.
The funds Chávez is using for the purchase of these new weapons, the largest in the nation’s history, are in good part coming from loans.
“There have been important acquisitions in the country but never of such magnitude,” said Carlos Julio Peñaloza, former chief of the Unified Command of Venezuela’s Armed Forces.
And it could end up being a lot more than $15 billion.
Some analysts said that the purchases made so far add up to about $30 billion, a figure Chávez himself has said he wishes to spend to modernize the country’s armed forces.
A report by the Association for Citizen Control for the Security and Defense of the Nation, a Venezuelan NGO that follows this issue closely, says the country has received or is about to receive a long list of equipment and military installations supplied mostly by Russia, China and Spain.
The list includes 92 mid-size T-72B1V tanks, about 240 bulletproof infantry vehicles (BMP-3 and 8x8 BTR-80), nine submarines, nearly 50 vessels of different sizes, dozens of Sukhoi Su-30MK2 fighting airplanes, an undetermined number of Chinese J-10 fighter airplanes, and close to a hundred Russian helicopters, a good part of which were designed for combat operations.
The information also includes S-300 anti-airstrike missile systems, known by NATO as SA-20 Gargoyle, capable of following 100 objectives at the same time, including cruise missiles, while trying to down six of them simultaneously from a distance of 125 miles.
Venezuela has also obtained commitments to build weapon plants in the country, including a powder factory with Iran’s help, a plant to build AK-103/AK-104 assault rifles and a plant to build 7.6 by 39 mm ammunition.
Chávez has also acquired about 100,000 AK-103/AK-104 assault rifles, and 5,000 high-precision Dragunov SDVS rifles for snipers, besides 1,000 portable RPG-7V2 anti-tank rocket launchers, plus another 1,000 portable anti-air Igla-S missile launchers. The latter ones, of similar characteristics as the U.S. Stinger, have generated unrest within the U.S State Dept., which fears that some might end up in the hands of Colombian guerrillas with devastating results against the helicopters their neighbor country uses to fight rebel forces.
Washington has watched closely the purchases Venezuela has made in recent years. State Department officials have expressed concerns to their Russian counterparts about the massive sales of weapons to the South American country.
Michael Shifter, president of Inter-American Dialogue, a think-tank based in Washington, said the lack of transparency in the acquisition of weapons in Latin America is a preoccupying issue, but that Venezuela’s purchases, combined with Chávez’s inflammatory rhetoric, could prompt other countries to arm themselves.
Shifter said part of the purchases could be justified by the need to modernize the country’s armed forces, but the absence of clarity about the equipments and the purpose for which they are being obtained creates nervousness in the region.
“The problem is Chávez’s belligerent rhetoric,” Shifter said. “This creates more concern and anxiety about the purpose of these weapons and their intended use.”


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il me semble qu'il a quitté l'Espagne il y a 2 jours vers le Vénezuela ... photo prise par LDR le 14-04-11

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