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Iraq seeks to buy 36 F-16 fighters from U.S

Fri Sep 5, 5:32 AM ET

(Reuters) - The Iraqi government is seeking to buy 36 advanced F-16 fighters from the U.S., American military officials familiar with the request told the Wall Street Journal.


This move could help Iraq reduce its reliance on U.S. air power and potentially allow more American forces to withdraw from the country than had been proposed.

The F-16, made by Lockheed Martin Corp, is the most sophisticated weapons system Iraq has attempted to purchase so far.

Late in July, the U.S. Department of Defense had approved up to $10.7 billion in arms sales for Iraq, including a $2.16 billion sale of M1A1 Abrams tanks built by General Dynamics Corp.

The U.S. recently announced F-16 sales to Morocco and Romania. Those sales, each for roughly $100 million per plane with training, related equipment and support included, offer an indication of how lucrative the Iraq deal could be for Lockheed Martin and its suppliers.

Iraq now appears determined to significantly expand the air power of its military, which has become more competent and confident in recent months but depends heavily on the U.S. for air support.

Iraq quickly has become one of the biggest weapons buyers in the world as it seeks to strengthen and professionalise its fighting force.

No one was available at the U.S. Department of Defense for comment.

(Reporting by Sweta Singh in Bangalore, editing by Will Waterman)

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Surtout que l'armée de l'air irakienne a une considerable experience sur le Su-25 ... parce que je les vois mal utiliser des pilotes russes en leasing (meme si ceux ci ne dirait pas non !! )

Chobham a écrit:

Surtout que l'armée de l'air irakienne a une considerable experience sur le Su-25 ... parce que je les vois mal utiliser des pilotes russes en leasing (meme si ceux ci ne dirait pas non !! )

Ils vont les rendre opérationnelles dans 3-4 jours, grande expérience ?! Tu parles de quelle armée ? Il n'existe plus de pilotes de l'armée de Saddam dans l'armée de Maliki.

Ce seront des étrangers qui piloteront ces chasseurs à mon avis.

Chobham, l’expérience de l'armée Irakienne que tu connaissais n'existe plus, Maliki a tout nettoyé, marginalisé les Sunnites.

Tout est à refaire dans l'armée Irakienne, ils se sont enfuis avec les habits derrière comme dans les cartoons malgré le training US   

Quand tu fais appel à des milices sectaires alors que les US ont injecté 25 billions $ de training y a un gros problème...

SU-25 are coming ...

Tu n'as pas compris mon point en fait.
Ce dont je parlais n'avait rien avoir avec les pilotes, qui je présum doivent avoir la cinquantaine minimum chacun ... mais je parlais de l'expérience à operer au sol. Le personnel de l'armée de l'air irakienne n'était pas sunnite a 100%, et ceci dit on doit bien trouver certains chiites (même si je n'apprecie pas trop cette séparation) doit avoir un peu d'expérience en matiére de logistique. C'est exactement la même chose qu'avec les Mil Mi-35/24 puisque le choix n'avait rien de financier parce que je vois mal les irakiens avoir du mal a acquérir des A-129 voir même des Tigres.

Et je suis bien conscient de la mort de la regrettée IAF de l'époque de Saddam.

Tu as raison c'est tout à fait possible.

Dans l'absolu, ils peuvent trouver des pilotes Iraniens aussi   

J'optes plus pour cette possibilité que celle de pilotes russes ou autres mercenaires de l'est.

comment ça ce fait que ce su-25 est crasseux ?

c'est normal , c'est pour El Malki

On dirait ils ne sont meme pas peint , aucune livrée . Bizzare

Confirmé par LCI, la Russie a livrée des avions de combats..

Mais si il sagit des Frogfoot ci dessus... 

Tu sous estime le Frogfoot Northrop. C'est un excellent appareil avec un blindage hors norme, le tout autour de 2 réacteurs de MiG-21 d'une rustissité effroyable pour ces ennemis ( j'ai deja vu la vidéo d'un test sur un Su-25 dont les réacteurs même endommagés par un direct hit d'un Manpad de type Stinger ont continé a tourner ). La seule chose qu'on peut reprocher a ce beau chars vollant est son avionic et son SNA, sinon une fois l'emport largué le Frogfoot peut facilement faire du Mach 1.

Derniérement, certains spécialistes americains ont exprimé leurs souhait selon lequel l'USAF devraient en acquérir pour épauler les A-10 en Afghanistan.


NB: le blindage du Su-25 peut repousser du 20mm sans probléme.

Ce n'est pas le Frogfoot que je sous éstime, mais l'état des appareils fournit a maliki..

Au début je pensais qu'il sagissais de Flankers..

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Iraq cobbling together makeshift air force to fight ISIS

BAGHDAD — Frustrated with the pace of U.S. jet and attack helicopter deliveries, the Iraqi government has resorted to negotiating the return of decades-old planes from Iran as it desperately tries to cobble together air power to turn the tide against al-Qaeda-inspired insurgents.

Iran has been “receptive” to the demands and is working on refurbishing an unspecified number of jets, Ammar Toma, a member of the Iraqi parliament’s defense and security committee said Friday. Government and military officials and two other lawmakers confirmed the negotiations.

The planes are among more than 100 Iraqi jets, including Soviet-made Sukhoi bombers and MiGs, which were flown to Iran by fleeing Iraqi pilots during the 1991 Gulf War. If delivered, they would join secondhand fighters from Belarus and Russia to create a ragtag air force that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is hoping can help reverse insurgent gains.

Iraq is desperate for air power to strike militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and has expressed annoyance that long-awaited U.S. contracts for F-16 fighters and Apache helicopters are yet to be fulfilled.

The United States is flying armed drones over Iraq in case the 300 military advisers it is dispatching there need protection, Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said Friday.

He acknowledged that the drones also could be used for airstrikes if President Obama decides to take military action against ISIS targets — a possibility the White House is still contemplating.
But with the United States holding back on strikes and no jets of its own, Iraq has been forced to rely on fixed-wing-propeller planes and helicopters armed with U.S.-supplied Hellfire missiles.for aerial attacks.

Despite its limited air power, the Iraqi military has managed to go on the offensive against ISIS in some areas in recent days, launching a commando attack to retake Tikrit and securing the road from Baghdad to Samarra this week.

With its first U.S.-supplied F-16s not expected to arrive until fall, the planes from Iran and secondhand jets from Russia and Belarus are an unsatisfactory stopgap, officials say.

“These planes are over 20 years old,” said a senior military officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the negotiations. He voiced concerns that using the outdated technology could mean large numbers of civilian casualties. “Even when you get them, you still need training for pilots. They aren’t just taxis that one can just jump into and drive,” he added, pointing out that many of the Iraqis who were trained to fly them are now too old.

Iran impounded about 130 planes after fleeing Iraqi pilots sought sanctuary in the country during the 1991 Gulf War, Iraqi officials say. The aircraft include 24 Soviet-made Su-24s, 24 French Mirage F1s and 12 MiG-23s.

The Iranians argued that the aircraft amounted to reparations for the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War.

Despite the sensitivities, Iran now appears likely to return them, said Toma and one senior military official

“Iran is worried that the state might fall, so they will help any way they can,” said the military official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the negotiations. He said regular visits by Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran’s elite Quds force, were evidence of their firm backing.

Some of the planes have been junked, but the Su-24s are serviceable, and some have been absorbed into the Iranian air force and kept in working order, said analyst Michael Knights of the Washington Institute.

“It could be a sneaky way of using Iranian air power,” he said. “They could keep Iranian pilots flying that stuff — all you are changing is what’s painted on the wings, really.”

Marzieh Afkham, spokeswoman for Iran’s foreign ministry, denied local media reports Wednesday that 130 planes had been returned.but has not commented further.

An Iraqi government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the negotiations are not public, confirmed that the planes had been requested but would not give further details.

Kirby said U.S. military aircraft — including the drones — are conducting about 30 to 35 reconnaissance missions over Iraq daily. He declined to identify what types of drones are flying over Iraq or say where the aircraft are based. The Air Force has Predator and Reaper drones based in Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, although it is unclear which of those countries may have given permission for the U.S. military to use its territory for armed operations in Iraq. Predator and Reaper drones are primarily used for surveillance but can be armed with Hellfire missiles and other weapons.

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BAGHDAD — Frustrated with the pace of U.S. jet and attack helicopter deliveries, the Iraqi government has resorted to negotiating the return of decades-old planes from Iran as it desperately tries to cobble together air power to turn the tide against al-Qaeda-inspired insurgents.

Iran has been “receptive” to the demands and is working on refurbishing an unspecified number of jets, Ammar Toma, a member of the Iraqi parliament’s defense and security committee said Friday. Government and military officials and two other lawmakers confirmed the negotiations.

The planes are among more than 100 Iraqi jets, including Soviet-made Sukhoi bombers and MiGs, which were flown to Iran by fleeing Iraqi pilots during the 1991 Gulf War. If delivered, they would join secondhand fighters from Belarus and Russia to create a ragtag air force that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is hoping can help reverse insurgent gains.

Iraq is desperate for air power to strike militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and has expressed annoyance that long-awaited U.S. contracts for F-16 fighters and Apache helicopters are yet to be fulfilled.

The United States is flying armed drones over Iraq in case the 300 military advisers it is dispatching there need protection, Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said Friday.

How ISIS is carving out a new country

He acknowledged that the drones also could be used for airstrikes if President Obama decides to take military action against ISIS targets — a possibility the White House is still contemplating.

But with the United States holding back on strikes and no jets of its own, Iraq has been forced to rely on fixed-wing-propeller planes and helicopters armed with U.S.-supplied Hellfire missiles.for aerial attacks.

Despite its limited air power, the Iraqi military has managed to go on the offensive against ISIS in some areas in recent days, launching a commando attack to retake Tikrit and securing the road from Baghdad to Samarra this week.

With its first U.S.-supplied F-16s not expected to arrive until fall, the planes from Iran and secondhand jets from Russia and Belarus are an unsatisfactory stopgap, officials say.

“These planes are over 20 years old,” said a senior military officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the negotiations. He voiced concerns that using the outdated technology could mean large numbers of civilian casualties. “Even when you get them, you still need training for pilots. They aren’t just taxis that one can just jump into and drive,” he added, pointing out that many of the Iraqis who were trained to fly them are now too old.

Iran impounded about 130 planes after fleeing Iraqi pilots sought sanctuary in the country during the 1991 Gulf War, Iraqi officials say. The aircraft include 24 Soviet-made Su-24s, 24 French Mirage F1s and 12 MiG-23s.

The Iranians argued that the aircraft amounted to reparations for the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War.

A Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jet built for the Iraqi air force as it completes its first flight over Fort Worth, Tex., in this handout picture taken May 2, 2014. The first pair of U.S.-supplied Iraqi F-16s are not set to be delivered until fall. (Handout/Reuters)

Despite the sensitivities, Iran now appears likely to return them, said Toma and one senior military official.

“Iran is worried that the state might fall, so they will help any way they can,” said the military official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the negotiations. He said regular visits by Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran’s elite Quds force, were evidence of their firm backing.

Some of the planes have been junked, but the Su-24s are serviceable, and some have been absorbed into the Iranian air force and kept in working order, said analyst Michael Knights of the Washington Institute.

“It could be a sneaky way of using Iranian air power,” he said. “They could keep Iranian pilots flying that stuff — all you are changing is what’s painted on the wings, really.”

Marzieh Afkham, spokeswoman for Iran’s foreign ministry, denied local media reports Wednesday that 130 planes had been returned.but has not commented further.

An Iraqi government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the negotiations are not public, confirmed that the planes had been requested but would not give further details.

Kirby said U.S. military aircraft — including the drones — are conducting about 30 to 35 reconnaissance missions over Iraq daily. He declined to identify what types of drones are flying over Iraq or say where the aircraft are based. The Air Force has Predator and Reaper drones based in Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, although it is unclear which of those countries may have given permission for the U.S. military to use its territory for armed operations in Iraq. Predator and Reaper drones are primarily used for surveillance but can be armed with Hellfire missiles and other weapons.

“If we had air support, none of this would have happened,” Maliki said in a BBC interview Thursday. He said that Iraq was “deluded” when it signed contracts with the United States, and that secondhand planes from Russia and Belarus should arrive in the next few days.

Under pressure on the battlefield, Maliki is also desperately attempting to cling to power after his political bloc won the biggest share of the vote in April elections.

But with many blaming him for helping bring about the divisions cleaving the country, even parts of his own political bloc are refusing to back him as a candidate. Politicians are locked in negotiations ahead of the first session of Iraq’s newly elected parliament Tuesday.

In a sermon Friday, Iraq’s most senior Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, urged political leaders to unite and form a government in accordance with the timeline laid out by the constitution.

“Maliki’s chances are low,” said Toma, a lawmaker with the Shiite Fadhela party, adding that the loss of backing from both the United States and Iran had weakened Maliki’s position.

“The Iranians are being pragmatic, just like the U.S., about the importance of the stability of Iraq. If that requires replacing a person in their post, they wouldn’t mind it.”

Craig Whitlock contributed from Washington and Jason Rezaian contributed from Tehran.

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Le deal est estimé à 500 millions de $ pour "plus d'une douzaine d'avions".

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/irak-la-russie-livre-des-avions-de-combat-a-bagdad-29-06-2014-3962381.php

ya pas a dire, les pays en guerre sont vraiment de bons clients   

Des SU-25 iraniens ex irak de Sadam

Rien avoir avec le camo iranien ... Et si les iraniens livrent les Su-25 alors autant le faire sans passer au travers de la Russie (question de montrer au monde qu'ils combattent le mal extrémiste) et puis autant envoyer les Mirage F1 aussi qui sont toujours en état de voler et que les iraniens utilisent pour des raids contre les trafiquants d'opium.

bien vu Rmaf , oui c'est des su 25 ex irakiens

la preuve dans la vidéo dans les minutes 4:11 et  5:05 , les deux su 25 sont iraniens et ils portent bien  les numéros 51 et 56

Comment ça se fait que les camos soient différent ? J'avais pas vu la vidéo et c'est bel et bien un Su-25 iraniens ! Peut être qu'ils ont en pris de chez les russes et les iraniens en même temps. Ce qui est sur est que les pilotes sont de l'IIAF.

Seven Su-25 Frogfoot attack planes operated by the Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution have arrived at Baghdad to join the war against ISIS militants.

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On Jul. 1, all the seven operational Su-25 Frogfoot attack planes operated by the Pasdaran (informal name of the IRGC – the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution) have completed their deployment to Imam Ali Airbase where they will join the ex-Russian Air Force Su-25s already delivered to Iraq in the air war against ISIS (Al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant).



Su-25 IRGC Iraq

The aircraft (three Su-25UBKM and four Su-25KM jets, according to ACIG.org sources) will be operated by four Iraqi pilots and 10 Iranian pilots.

The aircraft and support to fly them would be part of a military contract (backed by the U.S.) according to which Iran’s IRGC Air Force will receive six Su-30K multirole jets destined to Iraq.

Their delivery of the Iranian Su-25 has been filmed and reported by local media outlets and Iraqi MoD that has published the following video as well as the pictures you can find in this post.



Iran is believed to have joined the air war on ISIS since Jun. 21 when unidentified war planes launched heavy air strikes on the city of Baiji, north of Baghdad which had been invaded by ISIS.

http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/01/iranian-su-25-iraq/

Chobham a écrit:

Rien avoir avec le camo iranien ... Et si les iraniens livrent les Su-25 alors autant le faire sans passer au travers de la Russie (question de montrer au monde qu'ils combattent le mal extrémiste) et puis autant envoyer les Mirage F1 aussi qui sont toujours en état de voler et que les iraniens utilisent pour des raids contre les trafiquants d'opium.

ils ont 13 SU-25 dont 7 Su-25K/UBK capturés à l'Irak durant la guerre de 1980-1988 et 6 Su-25T/UBT acquis auprès de la Russie

on voit bien le 56 sur la video


le voila en Iran au couleur des gardiens de la révolution

Appareils ex-Irakien réfugié en Iran en janvier 1991, comme d'autres appareils.

En tous cas vous les avez bien sniper. 

@ rmaf: Aucun Su-25 irakien n'a ete capture durant la guerre contre l'Iran. Ils ont été utilisé de façon intense des leurs entrée en service en 1986, et apparement seul 2 appareils furrnt perdu (l'un abattu en Air-air et le second par la DCA iranienne). Ceux la on fait defection en 1991 (voir possiblement en 2003 aussi s'ils en restait encore, de toute façon le total est de 7).

Par contre est ce que quelsu'un a idée de si des MiG-25 sont aussi partis se refugier en Iran ?