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Financial Times

July 1, 2012 1:59 pm

Eurofighter Typhoon sales set for revamp

By Carola Hoyos, Defence Correspondent

Europe’s biggest defence contractors are revamping the way they sell and price their Eurofighter Typhoon jet fighter after the “wake-up” call of losing India’s £20bn tender to France’s Dassault.

Eurofighter is approaching six campaigns to sell the jet fighter to countries from Oman to Romania very differently to the way the consortium has done business in the past 20 years, said Guiseppe Orsi, chairman and chief executive of Finmeccanica, Italy’s defence contractor and one of Eurofighter’s main partners.

“We are conceding that we have to enter into a competitive arena and not an exclusively political one,” he said in an interview with the Financial Times.
Mr Orsi is in discussions with Ian King, his counterpart at the UK’s BAE, who has made clear he would be willing to drop the price of Typhoon to win India back. The consortium also includes pan-European EADS, which represents Spain and Germany.

Angela Merkel, German chancellor, and David Cameron, UK prime minister, were both active in selling Typhoon, while the considerable efforts of President Nicolas Sarkozy to help the French defence industry prompted envy among European rivals.

But Mr Orsi says the role of governments will change and that Typhoon must first become commercially attractive before governments can become involved in helping to sell the aircraft, as well as the valuable training and technology exchanges that come with it.

The loss in January of the most valuable ever international jet fighter tender was a shock to Eurofighter and especially to the politicians of countries – Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK – that had poured billions into development.
Many had given Dassault little chance because the French aerospace company had not secured any other export contracts, prompting rumours that production of its Rafale jet fighter would be discontinued.

But India said the Rafale was simply a more competitive offer. Politics is likely to still have had its place but in a sign of just how seriously Eurofighter is taking India’s preference, the consortium has since begun to overhaul entirely the way the plane is priced.

For the past 20 years the companies have had the luxury of producing a plane and then dictating its price. That was acceptable to Germany, the UK, Italy, Spain and Austria, all of which got a share of the employment and skills that came with the project. But as India showed, it does not work in the export market.

Today, with western fiscal budgets stretched and every contractor rushing to sell its wares to oil-rich and developing nations, potential customers expect a much better deal.

“[At the moment] The plane contractor will say: ‘Okay, you have to give me your piece. How much is that? Put a price on it,’” said Mr Orsi. “The supplier will say ‘That is my price, what I consider to be a remunerative price for me. I don’t worry about the final price, because that it is somebody else responsibility.’”

Eurofighter’s companies will now stand the old system on its head, with all the partners agreeing a price, based on the offering of Eurofighter’s competitors, and working together to achieve it.

“When we go into the open market, competitiveness is essential, so that’s why we need to re-organise,” Mr Orsi said.

“We will all be around the table and start from what is the competitive price to win a competition, as we do in the commercial field, then we go back and see what each company has to do in order to get that competitive price.”

Mr Orsi concedes such a dramatic change could be a challenge. Eurofighter’s partners, who are also fierce competitors, will have to agree a greater level of transparency, trusting each other with information as sensitive as cost and margins.

They will also have to accept some loss in margins, while politicians need to contend with playing “a very different role once the product is effective.”

“We need to approach those [export] markets with a commercial attitude rather than suggesting a political vision of a product,” Mr Orsi said.

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METEOR Integration Work Progresses on Eurofighter Typhoon

Integration of the METEOR Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile with the Eurofighter Typhoon progresses as the cockpit design is trialed by pilots at BAE Systems.

Pilots from each of the Eurofighter Nations were invited to take part in the METEOR cockpit assessment trials led by us at our Warton site in Lancashire. Supported by a team of engineers, the pilots flew various missions in a Typhoon simulator redesigned to incorporate METEOR weapon functionality. The trials were successful resulting in a series of recommendations for the final cockpit design.

Steve Long, BAE Systems test pilot took part in the trials and said: “One of the most important things to consider when integrating a new missile is to make sure that from a pilot’s perspective it is intuitive to use. In a combat environment there is no room for failure. It has to be intuitive; it has to be fool proof. The trials have involved working through countless scenarios to make sure that the addition of this new capability is designed into the aircraft with the user in mind.”

Talking about the capability METEOR will provide for future Typhoon combat pilots Steve added: “METEOR is an incredibly important capability enhancement for Typhoon. As a pilot you want to know you have an advantage, that you have something better than your opponent. Having METEOR sat under your wings means you’re stepping into an aircraft that instantly gives you the confidence and reassurance to conduct your mission.”

METEOR, a beyond visual range air to air missile manufactured by MBDA, will provide the Typhoon aircraft with cutting edge weapons capability. Featuring advanced air breathing motor technology and the latest electronics to deliver optimum combat performance, METEOR will ensure that Typhoon remains the worlds most advanced multi role aircraft, complementing Eurofighter's Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile capability.

METEOR has been flown and safely jettisoned from the Typhoon aircraft and a first firing is planned to take place before the end of 2012. In operational service Typhoon will carry METEOR missiles designed to optimise Beyond Visual Range engagement performance.

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API Technologies to Provide RF/Microwave and Microelectronics Solutions for Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft

Company receives $6.2 million in new orders

07:11 GMT, July 19, 2012 ORLANDO, Fla. | API Technologies Corp., a trusted provider of RF/microwave, microelectronics, and security solutions for critical and high-reliability applications, announced today it has received $6.2 million in new orders to provide RF/Microwave and Microelectronics for use in Avionic systems in support of a Eurofighter Typhoon Program. The orders include fiber optic transceivers, associated data bus products, and assorted RF components.

“We are proud of our established heritage in designing, manufacturing, and testing system critical electronic components for major defense programs around the world like Eurofighter,” said Bel Lazar, President and Chief Operating Officer of API Technologies. “By focusing on developing components for harsh environments like defense and space, we are able to deliver products of exceptional quality and reliability.”

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How to Defeat the Air Force’s Powerful Stealth Fighter

The fast, stealthy F-22 Raptor is “unquestionably” the best air-to-air fighter in the arsenal of the world’s leading air force. That’s what outgoing Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz wrote in 2009.

Three years later, a contingent of German pilots flying their latest Typhoon fighter have figured out how to shoot down the Lockheed Martin-made F-22 in mock combat. The Germans’ tactics, revealed in the latest Combat Aircraft magazine, represent the latest reality check for the $400-million-a-copy F-22, following dozens of pilot blackouts, and possibly a crash, reportedly related to problems with the unique g-force-defying vests worn by Raptor pilots.

In mid-June, 150 German airmen and eight twin-engine, non-stealthy Typhoons arrived at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska for an American-led Red Flag exercise involving more than 100 aircraft from Germany, the U.S. Air Force and Army, NATO, Japan, Australia and Poland. Eight times during the two-week war game, individual German Typhoons flew against single F-22s in basic fighter maneuvers meant to simulate a close-range dogfight.

The results were a surprise to the Germans and presumably the Americans, too. “We were evenly matched,” Maj. Marc Gruene told Combat Aircraft’s Jamie Hunter. The key, Gruene said, is to get as close as possible to the F-22 … and stay there. “They didn’t expect us to turn so aggressively.”

Gruene said the Raptor excels at fighting from beyond visual range with its high speed and altitude, sophisticated radar and long-range AMRAAM missiles. But in a slower, close-range tangle — which pilots call a “merge” — the bigger and heavier F-22 is at a disadvantage. “As soon as you get to the merge … the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22,” Gruene said.

This is not supposed to be the sort of reaction the F-22 inspires. For years the Air Force has billed the Raptor as an unparalleled aerial combatant. Even former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who in 2009 famously cut F-22 production to just 187 copies, called the stealth jet “far and away the best air-to-air fighter ever produced” and predicted “it will ensure U.S. command of the skies for the next generation.” And it’s slowly getting taken off the probation it incurred after seemingly suffocating pilots.

Admittedly, advanced air forces plan to do most of their fighting at long range and avoid the risky, close-in tangle — something Gruene acknowledged in his comments to Combat Aircraft. But there’s evidence that, in reality, most air combat occurs at close distance, despite air arms’ wishful thinking. That could bode poorly for the F-22′s chances in a future conflict.

In a 2008 study (big file!), the Air Force-funded think tank RAND warned against assuming long-range missiles will work. RAND looked at 588 air-to-air shoot-downs since the 1950s and counted just 24 that occurred with the attacker firing from beyond visual range. Historically, American long-range air-to-air missiles have been 90-percent less effective than predicted, RAND asserted.

Despite the historical facts, there persists in Air Force circles “a hypothetical vision of ultra-long range, radar-based, air-to-air combat,” to quote air power skeptic Pierre Sprey, co-designer of the brute-simple F-16 and A-10 warplanes.

It remains to be seen whether the Raptor and its AMRAAM missiles can reverse these trends. If long-range tactics fail, the F-22 force could very well find itself fighting up close with the latest fighters from China, Russia and other rival nations. And if the Germans’ experience is any indication, that’s the kind of battle the vaunted F-22s just might lose.

Update, July 31: Some commenters claim the Red Flag exercise is not indicative of the way the F-22 would fight in the real world. In an actual shooting war, an F-22′s opponent “won’t make it to visual range,” one reader asserted. The Raptor’s stealth would allow it to sneak up high and fast and kill the enemy from long range using an AMRAAM missile, commenters insist.

But that’s assuming two things. One, that the rules of engagement in a future conflict will allow to the Air Force to shoot down targets without visually identifying them — a risky assumption given the world’s increasingly crowded airspace. Two, that the AMRAAM even works. Missile-maker Raytheon hasn’t delivered a new AMRAAM in two years after it was found that the weapon’s rocket motor doesn’t work in a cold environment, which is exactly where the high-flying F-22 is most at home.

Even when the AMRAAM functions as designed, it’s still not a reliable long-range killer. Since the AMRAAM entered front-line service in 1992, it has been used by Air Force F-15s and F-16s in at least nine aerial battles resulting in the destruction of nine Iraqi and Serbian aircraft. But that’s pretty much all we know. Public data “does not include the number of shots taken or the engagement range,” Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Higby wrote in a 2005 paper.

Higby, for his part, concluded that at least four of the AMRAAM kills occurred within visual range. In the balance, long-range missiles are not as effective as the Air Force has long hoped, Higby wrote. “Air-to-air combat has not transformed into a long-range slugfest of technology.”

Given that even the F-22 could find itself in a close-range dogfight, the stealthy jet has other disadvantages besides its heavy weight and large size. Technical problems forced the Air Force to omit a helmet-mounted sight from the Raptor. This key piece of gear allows pilots in other planes — including the German Typhoon — to lock missiles onto a target merely by looking at it. “We had a Raptor salad for lunch,” one German pilot quipped after using his jet’s helmet sight and maneuverability to get the best of an F-22 over Alaska.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/f-22-germans

Grosso modo cela dit quoi rafi ?

Les pilotes d'Eurofighter de la Luftwaffe auraient trouvé le moyen de battre les F-22 US lors de simulation de combat.

rafi a écrit:

Les pilotes d'Eurofighter de la Luftwaffe auraient trouvé le moyen de battre les F-22 US lors de simulation de combat.

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F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: Report

The United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is “evenly matched” with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.

The F-22 made its debut at the international Red Flag Alaska training exercise this June where the planes “cleared the skies of simulated enemy forces and provided security for Australian, German, Japanese, Polish and [NATO] aircraft,” according to an after-action public report by the Air Force. The F-22 took part in the exercise while under strict flying restrictions imposed by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in light of mysterious, potentially deadly oxygen problems with the planes — problems that the Pentagon believes it has since solved.

READ ABC News Investigation: The F-22′s Fatal Flaws

The Air Force said the planes flew 80 missions during the event “with a very high mission success rate.” However, a new report from Combat Aircraft Monthly revealed that in a handful of missions designed to test the F-22 in a very specific situation – close-range, one-on-one combat – the jet appeared to lose its pricey advantages over a friendly rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, flown in this case by German airmen.

“We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn’t,” German air officer Marc Grune said, according to Combat Aircraft Monthly. “We were evenly matched. They didn’t expect us to turn so aggressively.”

Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22′s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision — mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.

“But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dogfighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.”

In response to the report, a spokesperson for the Air Force, Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, told ABC News that one-on-one combat is only one way to evaluate an aircraft’s capabilities and said it’s not “necessarily the most relevant to every scenario.”

“The F-22 is conceived and employed as part of an integrated force that provides offensive capabilities that make close engagements far less likely while retaining the ability to handle close engagements in tandem with other fighters,” he said.

Air Force Gen. John Jumper, one of the few airmen to have flown both aircraft before he retired in 2005, said that year that it is difficult to compare the F-22 and the Eurofighter.

“They are different kinds of airplanes to start with,” he said, according to an Air Force Print News report. “It’s like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance.”

The F-22 “can maneuver with the best of them if it has to, but what you want to be able to do is get into contested airspace no matter where it is,” Jumper said, referring to the F-22′s stealth and supercruise capabilities that are meant to allow the plane to sneak in to hostile territory undetected – an ability the non-stealth Eurofighter lacks.

As for where that contested airspace may be, the Air Force hasn’t said. But in April 2011 an executive for Lockheed Martin, the primary manufacturer of the F-22, told ABC News that the plane could “absolutely” find a home in quick strike missions against countries like Iran or North Korea. Over the weekend, the Air Force deployed a squadron of F-22s to Kadena Air Base in southern Japan just over 800 miles south of the North Korean border — a move that comes three months after an undisclosed number of the stealth jets were deployed to an allied base in the United Arab Emirates, some 200 miles from the Iranian mainland.

The F-22 is the single most expensive fighter jet in history at a total acquisition cost of an estimated $79 billion for 187 planes, meaning each plane costs approximately $420 million. Estimates for the Eurofighter Typhoon – the premier fighter for several allied countries including the U.K., Germany and Italy – put that plane at just under $200 million each, according to an April 2011 report by England’s Public Accounts Committee.

“[Red Flag was] a mission to get to know each other, the first contact by German Eurofighters in the continental U.S.,” Grune said of mock-fighting the F-22s. “We are not planning on facing each other in combat. We want to work together but it was a starter for us to work together. They were impressed, as we were impressed by them.”

abcnews.go.com

En Dogfight, un contre un. Lors d'une opération de guerre, le F-22 aurait identifié les Eurofighter, tiré ses missiles en mode BVR, de loin, de très loin, et bye-bye les allemands.

L'offre du consortium Eurofighter aux E.A.U. inclura le radar AESA...

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Typhoon's bid to UAE will include new radar technology

The UAE will get the benefits of a new technology development in the Eurofighter Typhoon if it selects the aircraft for its multi-role combat type, the European partnership said today.

On behalf of the four core nations in the Eurofighter programme, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, a Request for Proposal (RFP) has been issued by NETMA (NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency) to Eurofighter GmbH for the development of an Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar (E-Scan).

Eurofighter Chief Executive Officer, Enzo Casolini said: “The timescale is to answer the RFP by October this year and to have an agreement with the nations by the end of the year. The target is to have a contract by the middle of next year and to have an E-Scan entering into service by 2015.”

Work to develop an E-Scan capability for Typhoon has been taking place between the industrial partners of Eurofighter Typhoon for some time. Receiving this RFP is a significant step to having the capability enter into service.

On the opening day of the Farnborough Air Show, UK Prime Minister David Cameron said: “The four partner nations have agreed to take the next step towards exploiting the growth potential of Typhoon. That potential is huge and the integration of the meteor missile, an AESA radar, enhancements to the defensive aids systems, further development of the air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities and integration of new weapons would all boost the world-beating capabilities of this fantastic aircraft. This progress is good for industry, export customers and the RAF.”

Saudi Arabia is already operating Typhoons and the type is being considered by the UAE and Oman.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/typhoon-s-bid-to-uae-will-include-new-radar-technology.html?utm_source=googleNews&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=news_feed

rafi a écrit:

En Dogfight, un contre un. Lors d'une opération de guerre, le F-22 aurait identifié les Eurofighter, tiré ses missiles en mode BVR, de loin, de très loin, et bye-bye les allemands.

Avec quel missile? À quel distance approximativement ? En plus le bye bye high long range n'est du tout garanti...

Tiens nous au courant sur la méthode qui, selon la luftewaffe permettant exploitant un potentiel talon d'Achille du f22

Amicalement

farewell a écrit:

Avec quel missile? À quel distance approximativement ? En plus le bye bye high long range n'est du tout garanti...

Tiens nous au courant sur la méthode qui, selon la luftewaffe permettant exploitant un potentiel talon d'Achille du f22

Amicalement

Il ne s'agit pas d'un potentiel talon d'Achile, on explique que le F22 est conçu pour un scénario de combat aérien ''BVR'' qui serait peu réaliste et difficilement réalisable dans des circonstances réelles, et que dans un combat réel il ne pourra éviter le dogfight, domaine dans le quel il n'a pas un avantage particulier par rapport aux autres avions.

Si ça peut remonter le moral des concepteurs de EF2000 et autres chasseurs de la même catégorie pourquoi pas Adapté au dogfight ou pas, le F22 est le meilleur chasseur dans le type de combat pour lequel il est conçu et ça personne n'ose le remettre en question.

Montrez moi un chasseur, un seul, qui n'a pas un point faible.

C'est fou la désinformation quand même... Chacun clame dans son camp que l'un a foutu la raclée à l'autre. Voici ce que dit un autre article, du célèbre FLight global

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En marge d’un article du site Flight Global, et relevant la bonne impression laissée par les 8 eurofighters allemands participant au Red Flag Alaska, j’ai relevé un passage très intéressant concernant les combats aériens qui ont eu lieu entre les Typhoon de la Luftwaffe et les Raptor de l’US Air Force.

Voici l’extrait dans sa langue d’origine.
“USAF sources say that the Typhoon has good energy and a pretty good first turn, but that they were able to outmaneuver the Germans due to the Raptor's thrust vectoring. Additionally, the Typhoon was not able to match the high angle of attack capability of the F-22. "We ended up with numerous gunshots," another USAF pilot says.”

Grossièrement traduit, il est dit que le Typhoon a une bonne gestion de l’énergie, autrement dit un bon rapport poids/poussée qui lui permet de ne pas décrocher et de pouvoir durer lors de manœuvres serrées dans des phases de combat intenses. Il est dit aussi que son premier virage lors de l’engagement est très bon (pretty good first turn). Cela confirme plusieurs hypothèses sur la formule aérodynamique de l’eurofighter, où les plans canard situés bien en avant de l’appareil lui servent à virer très rapidement. Et lors d’un engagement à vue souvent très brefs, celui qui a la possibilité de se placer derrière l’autre le plus rapidement prend un avantage non négligeable.
A partir de maintenant, les choses se corsent pour l’avion européen. Car une fois qu’ont été annoncées ces points positifs, l’article nous annonce que grâce à sa poussée vectorielle, le Raptor a été capable de surpasser
les performances de l’Eurofighter, et que ce dernier n’est pas en mesure de soutenir un vol avec un angle d’attaque aussi élevé que le Raptor.
La parole d’un pilote de l’USAF vient clôturer le paragraphe, en annonçant qu’ils ont réussis à placer un nombre important de passes canon en défaveur du Typhoon.

En tant que fervent supporter du Rafale (inutile de me cacher vous le savez tous maintenant), je me rappelle de cet exercice international au moyen orient qui s’était déroulé en 2009, le fameux ATLC, durant lequel le Rafale avait infligé une correction sans pareil aux Typhoons Britanniques. Pilotes inexpérimentés, armement dégradés, règles d’engagement strictes… Toutes les excuses ont été trouvées, mais aujourd’hui le résultat est là, la RAF refuse tout entrainement commun contre son frère ennemi.
Mais l’ATLC avait aussi révélé un autre combat, moins médiatisé celui-là car moins à la gloire du Rafale, quoi que.

Pour mémoire, voici deux articles qui en parlent:
Sur le site secret défense
sur le site Rafale news


On y apprend qu’il y a eu au moins six combats simulés, et que sur les six, le Raptor n’a été crédité que d’une seule victoire, pour cinq matchs nuls. L’embarras américain a été tel face à un score bien inférieur à celui attendu, qu’ils ont même prétendus que le Raptor était handicapé par des réservoirs externes, ce que dément une capture de l’OSF du Rafale. Mauvais joueurs les Anglo-saxon ? On en a maintenant l’habitude.

Mais qu'est ce qui fait que le Rafale pourrait tenir tête plus facilement que le Typhoon face à un Raptor à la poussée dirigée ? Tout simplement sa formule aérodynamique. Les plans canards du Rafale, sont situées bien plus proches des ailes que ne le sont ceux du Typhoon. Alors que sur ce dernier les canards sont utilisés comme d'une sorte de gouverne de profondeur à l'avant permettant à l'avion d'avoir un très bon taux de virage instantané, les canards du Rafale lui servent à "recoller" les flux d'air sur l'aile delta pendant les manœuvres à fort angle d'attaque, ce qui lui permet une meilleure manœuvrabilité à basse vitesse et à forte incidence. Ce n'est donc pas que l'un est forcément meilleur que l'autre, mais les deux solutions ne répondent pas aux même exigences. Et dans le cas d'un combat au canon, l'un est avantagé par rapport à l'autre.

Il serait dangereux de conclure en affirmant que le Rafale est meilleur que l’eurofighter dans ce genre d’engagement, (qui de toute façon n'est pas légion dans une guerre aérienne moderne) tout cela parce que le Rafale s’est montré plus coriace face à un même adversaire. C’est surtout dangereux pour la crédibilité d’un journaliste en devenir.

Je vous laisse donc, après tout ce qui a été écrit, libre de vous faire la conclusion que vous souhaitez.

source de l'article (avec la bonne mise en page, les belles photos, les liens toussa) http://portail-aviation.blogspot.fr/2012/07/typhoon-vs-rafale-en-dogfight-le-f22.html

et la source de la source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-german-eurofighters-impress-during-red-flag-debut-373312/?cmpid=SOC%7CFGFG%7Ctwitterfeed%7CFlightglobal

bonne nouvelle pour le programme eurofighter dans son ensemble

http://portail-aviation.blogspot.fr/2012/08/eurofighter-larabie-saoudite-partenaire.html

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elon l’hebdomadaire Air & Cosmos, dans son numéro de l’été, la décision devrait être rendu officielle d’ici peu de temps. L’Arabie Saoudite doit devenir une nation partenaire à part entière du programme Eurofighter en rejoignant l’organisation NETMA (Agence Otanienne de la gestion Tornado et Eurofighter). L’Arabie Saoudite est en effet cliente export des deux programmes, puisqu’elle avait acheté 110 tornado, ainsi que 72 Typhoon.

De la dernière commande de Typhoon, passée en 2007, 24 Typhoon tranche 1 ont été livrés, prélevé sur une partie des avions destinés au Royaume Unis après que ceux-ci aient réduit leur cible initiale. Les 48 restants doivent être livré dans une configuration propre à la tranche 3, dont les négociations sur les équipements inclus pour le Royaume n’ont pas encore totalement abouties. L’Arabie Saoudite avait un temps le souhait d’assembler les Typhoon sur son propre sol, mais elle a fait machine arrière depuis. En intégrant le programme, et donc en reversant des sommes utiles au développement de l’avion, cette nation importante du golf pourrait en contrepartie recevoir une part de la charge industrielle du programme. Un centre de maintenance et de
modernisation est évoqué, mais elle pourra surtout décider des programmes à lancer pour moderniser l’avion.

Et l’Eurofighter a cruellement besoin de fonds. L’avion a pris beauc [...]

C'est un peu etrange car les americains n'ont pas autoriser les bvr pendant la confrontation face au rafale et la il autorise face au typhon .

Les américains ont eu des confrontations en BVR avec l'Eurofighter, tu as une source à ce sujet?

Durant Anatolian Eagle 2012

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Exclusive: F-16 gets killed by Typhoon during air combat training in first Eurofighter HUD capture ever.
http://theaviationist.com/2012/04/26/typhoon-kill/

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Durant Anatolian Eagle 2012

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Exclusive: F-16 gets killed by Typhoon during air combat training in first Eurofighter HUD capture ever.
http://theaviationist.com/2012/04/26/typhoon-kill/

Une vengeance bien préparée et soigneusement réalisée, preuve à l'appui. La dernière fois les pakis m'avaient laissé sur ma faim ne fournissant aucune preuve visuelle de leur victoire contre le Typhoon. J'aurais aimé qu'ils nous fournissent une preuve pareille, j'ai beau cherché j'ai rien trouvé, rien sauf les propos tirés d'une interview d'un ''Unkown'' Pilote. Ils nous avaient même pas donné son nom... Dommage!!

les pakis et les danois avant eux ont kické son ass au fifi

Yakuza a écrit:

les pakis et les danois avant eux ont kické son ass au fifi

Les Grècques aussi.

Je ne doute pas de la victoire des pakis, mais je regrette qu'ils aient pas fourni une preuve visuelle.

le F16 est un bon Dogfighter cependant je ne sais pas quelles seront ses chances face au EF2000 en BVR

Le dogfight révèle le talent du pilote, quelque soit l'avion en lice, la volonté de vaincre associée à un entrainement sans faille fait la différence. Le combat BVR est le type de combat qui met en avant le règne sans partage de la technique, la détection de la cible se fait d'une position de plus en plus éloignée, le suivi de celle-ci se fait d'une manière de plus en plus discrète, et des armements de plus en plus performants assurent une destruction sans coup férir. Vous remarquerez que toutes les nouvelles armes qui entrent en service ou sont passe de l'être sont faites pour ce type de combat, on comprend mieux dès lors engouements de certains cercles militaires pour les drones, tout cela en association avec le dogme des guerres "sans victime" (dans les rangs des "gentils) ou vendues comme telles.

les allemands ont deja 3 kill markings precieux

des raptors rien que ça...

c'est des kill en Within Visual Range (WVR) pas en BVR (beyond visual range)
aucun chasseur au monde ne peut abattre le F22 en BVR à moins que celui-ci n'emporte pas de AMRAAM là pratiquement c'est une probabilité qui tend vers zéro