Armée Taiwanaise / Republic of China Armed Forces(ROCAF)

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F-16: Washington refuse de fournir des chasseurs à Taïwan




Les Etats-Unis ont refusé de livrer à Taïwan 66 chasseurs ultramodernes de type F-16 C/D, a annoncé le porte-parole du ministère taïwanais de la Défense, cité par Defense News.

"Nous sommes très déçus par les Etats-Unis", a indiqué la source.

Face à l'augmentation de la puissance militaire de la Chine continentale, Taïwan avait à plusieurs reprises demandé aux Etats-Unis de lui vendre un lot de chasseurs ultramodernes.

Selon Defense News, la semaine dernière une délégation du ministère américain de la Défense a communiqué sa décision à Taïwan et a proposé à ce dernier de mettre à niveau les avions F16A/B qui équipent déjà l'armée de l'air taïwanaise en achetant des équipements perfectionnés et des pièces détachés destinés à moderniser ces appareils.

En octobre 2008, l'administration de George W.Bush a convenu de livrer à Taïwan une quantité importante d'armements et ce, malgré de multiples protestations de la Chine. En réaction, Pékin a interrompu son dialogue avec Washington sur les questions militaires qui n'a repris qu'en février 2009.

Début janvier dernier, en réponse à l'intention de Washington de fournir à Taipei un important lot d'armement, Pékin a fait porter aux Etats-Unis la responsabilité du torpillage des discussions entre les parties en conflit.

Les relations dans le domaine de la défense entre la Chine continentale et Taïwan restent tendues depuis 1949, lorsque les forces armées du Guomindang battues pendant la guerre civile ont trouvé refuge sur l'île.

Taiwan est de facto un territoire autonome, possédant ses propres forces armées équipées principalement d'armements américains.

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SOURCE:Flight International
Western aerospace firms keep low profile at Taipei show

Western aerospace firms kept a low profile at the Taipei Aerospace & Defense Technology Exhibition in Taiwan, reflecting concerns about offending China.

The only major Western manufacturers to attend the show were ITT, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, and Raytheon.

Boeing and General Electric, which both have significant businesses on the mainland, were absent altogether, as were Europe's major defence companies.

Walt Doran, president of Raytheon Asia, was the highest profile Western defence executive at the show. "Taiwan is an important customer for us, and we're here to make sure they are aware of the systems and capabilities we offer," he said.

If Washington were to approve an upgrade of Taiwan's 166 Lockheed F-16A/B fighters, Doran said Raytheon would be in a position to offer a range of equipment, ranging from new radars and avionics to missiles.

Both Raytheon and rival Northrop displayed models of their active electronically scanned array radars for the F-16 in their booths.

ITT pitched its ALQ-211 pod, which is designed to add electronic warfare capabilities to legacy combat aircraft.

Representatives at the US manufacturers' exhibits were quick to stress that any sale to Taiwan would be undertaken under the auspices of the US government's Foreign Military Sales mechanism.

"Our customer is the US government," said Doran.

He added that politics, security concerns and licensing will all be issues for the US government to deal with in the event of an F-16 upgrade deal.

Meanwhile, US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has said she will announce Washington's decision on whether to sell Taiwan 66 new F-16C/Ds on 1 October.

pauvre Taiwan,ils deviennent comme des lepreux,meme le commerce durant l´expo aerospace and defense a Taipei la semaine derniere,les gros pointures s´eclipsent de peur de la Chine,seul Lockmart etait encore la pour montrer..le patriot PAC3 et Sniper ATP,rien a faire pour les F16 block 52+,l´USA a capitulé officiellement

reste le dit upgrade avec AESA(RACR de Raytheon etait la),mais a quel standard,reste a specifier selon les politiques..
vers la fin un argument un peu pragmatique mais choquant pourquoi pas de nouveaux F16 ou F35(les US comptent avec une réunification pure et simple,donc ils limitent les possibles degats de ToT)

le Taiwan repond le meme jour de sortie du Varyag en devoilant le Hsiung Feng III (HF-3),nommé carrier killer
a propulsion ramjet,il vole a 2Mach,a range de 130km et s´exploserait a l´interieur des navires,il armera les fregattes et avions.
faut se mettre a defendre la cote Est aussi..

Yakuza a écrit:

pauvre Taiwan,ils deviennent comme des lepreux,meme le commerce durant l´expo aerospace and defense a Taipei la semaine derniere,les gros pointures s´eclipsent de peur de la Chine,seul Lockmart etait encore la pour montrer..le patriot PAC3 et Sniper ATP,rien a faire pour les F16 block 52+,l´USA a capitulé officiellement

reste le dit upgrade avec AESA(RACR de Raytheon etait la),mais a quel standard,reste a specifier selon les politiques..
vers la fin un argument un peu pragmatique mais choquant pourquoi pas de nouveaux F16 ou F35(les US comptent avec une réunification pure et simple,donc ils limitent les possibles degats de ToT)

le Taiwan repond le meme jour de sortie du Varyag en devoilant le Hsiung Feng III (HF-3),nommé carrier killer
a propulsion ramjet,il vole a 2Mach,a range de 130km et s´exploserait a l´interieur des navires,il armera les fregattes et avions.
faut se mettre a defendre la cote Est aussi..

Spoiler:

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has said she will announce Washington's decision on whether to sell Taiwan 66 new F-16C/Ds on 1 October.
donc rien n'est encore joué.

ce que je supposais aussi encore hier,mais je crois que ca leur a ete communiqué en coulisses ces jours ci

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Selon Defense News, la semaine dernière une délégation du ministère américain de la Défense a communiqué sa décision à Taïwan et a proposé à ce dernier de mettre à niveau les avions F16A/B qui équipent déjà l'armée de l'air taïwanaise en achetant des équipements perfectionnés et des pièces détachés destinés à moderniser ces appareils.

2 visites importantes entre USA et Chine sont planés d´ici octobre entre officiels des 2 pays,donc c´est une sorte de garder le planning chinois intact,et un chip de pocker pour ce qui va se negocier entre eux..

Il y a un truc que je comprend pas, pourquoi Taïwan s’entête à vouloir absolument prendre des F-16. Pourquoi ne se tournent t'ils pas vers un vecteur Européens Je suis sûre que Saab se feraient une joie de leur présenter leur Grippen NG

les Taiwanais vont peut être relancer la production de leur AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo , qui soit-dit en passant avait été développé en réponse a un embargo de l' administration Reagan sur la fourniture de F 16 en 1980 et de F 20 Tigershark en 1982

Pas aussi simple reese, une grande partie de l'avion est un mix de divers avion US (train d'atterrissage F5 par exemple), en plus il a connu quelque soucis de fiabilité d'ou la diversification niveau sourcing (Mirage 2000 et F16) . Et puis qu'est ce qu'ils vont mettre dedans en terme de radar, avionique, techno embarqué etc...

C 'est une litote d'affirmer que les Taiwanais ont une très bonne industrie électronique et qu'ils ont d'important moyens financiers

je crois que l´antecedent affaire des fregatte a refroidit le commerce defense un peu avec la France,sinon je les verrai coller au Rafale.
mais peut etre que la dissuasion chinoise est tellement grosse que meme Dassault/Paris ne pourrait accepter un deal,peking est le gros acheteur des Boeing et Airbus..

reste pour eux encore le chemin fabrication nationale,y´a pas mieux qu´un embargo defense pour s´industrialiser..

Yakuza a écrit:

je crois que l´antecedent affaire des fregatte a refroidit le commerce defense un peu avec la France,sinon je les verrai coller au Rafale.
mais peut etre que la dissuasion chinoise est tellement grosse que meme Dassault/Paris ne pourrait accepter un deal,peking est le gros acheteur des Boeing et Airbus..

reste pour eux encore le chemin fabrication nationale,y´a pas mieux qu´un embargo defense pour s´industrialiser..

oui c'est peu etre un mal pour un bien avec les avantages dont ils beneficies cités par reese, en plus a long terme ils auraient été bien embeter car l'etau chinois va se resserer en crescendo donc autant s'y mettre dés maintenant...

moi je trouve sa con d'avoir la chine comme ennemie vaux mieux trouver une issue diplomatique que militaire , avec genre ta 0 chance face a eux

leadlord a écrit:

moi je trouve sa con d'avoir la chine comme ennemie vaux mieux trouver une issue diplomatique que militaire , avec genre ta 0 chance face a eux

taiwan veut ne pas se faire absorber par la chine comme elle l'avait fait avec hong kong (retrosession je precise), la chine revendique taiwan au rattachement continental et ce sans compris, d'autant tant culturellement et economiquement les 2 pays diiferent, tout ceci explique la tension croissante...

cordialement

oui difficile un compromis ou l´un s´attache a son independance et l´autre rattachement pure et simple,mais la chine sait bien que ce serait gros a avaler le morceau

une grande partie de la population est Unioniste, ils ont peur sur leur niveau de vie relativement élevé qu'en mainland mais je pense que le modèle Hong-kong rassure

ils leur feront vivre un cauchemars une fois le PA complétement opérationnel avec des escarmouches ici et la à la nord coréenne ( première phase du plan d'intimidation chinois qui aboutira dans la prochaine décennie à l'absorption de Taiwan ), des violations d’espace maritime et autre provocation de type exercice militaire dans leur cote Est...jusqu'au jour de l’assaut finale. A mon avis ils en sont capables

non Nano,les nord coreens agissent sur nerfs,symptome de la bete encerclée,la Chine elle est plus confiante en son futur,elle agit avec sagesse et a long terme,elle calcule ses pas au jour pret.
seule la dissuasion et la containment strategy suffisent a mettre un pays a genous,a long terme.

Taiwan tombera seul comme un fruit mûre , les chinois n'ont jamais été expansionnistes de leur histoire ! le seul et ultime rêve des empeures et seigneures de guerres chinois était l'unification de l'empire et Taiwan en fait partie

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SOURCE:Flight International
Unmanned systems star at Taiwanese defence show

Unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) were a major element of this year's Taipei Aerospace & Defense Technology Exhibition.

Taiwan's Ministry of National Defence, which occupied roughly one third of the available show space, displayed several unmanned systems.

One of the more innovative designs featured a swept wing in the centre of the fuselage and a thicker, forward-swept wing from the end of the fuselage, with both wings joined at the tips.

The system has been in development since last year, and will have its first flight in November.

The as-yet-unnamed aircraft will be able to operate autonomously and have a 4h endurance.

Its primary role will be the monitoring of air quality, but it will also be capable of carrying a ground surveillance payload.

Elsewhere in the ministry's pavilion, the Chun-Shan Institute of Science and Technology showed a model of an unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) that closely resembled developmental types such as the Boeing X-45 and Northrop Grumman X-47B.

The institute said the delta-winged design could be ready within 10 years.


In an animated video at the show, an air vehicle resembling the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-9 Predator provided guidance for a delta-winged UCAV to destroy a Chinese Sukhoi Su-27 fighter with a missile.


Taiwanese UCAVs also were depicted striking land targets on the Chinese mainland.

In the section of the hall reserved for private firms, local company Carbon Based Technology (CBT) displayed two systems under its Uaver brand.

Intended mainly for ground observation tasks, the company's Avian system can be carried in a large backpack and launched by hand or catapult.

Weighing 3.45kg (7.6lb), it is powered by two electrical motors in the wings and has an endurance of 90min. The Avian can be controlled by a single operator using a conventional netbook computer and a ground station.

CBT is also developing a larger UAV, the Accipiter. This has a maximum take-off weight of 20kg and an endurance of 6h.

The Accipiter recently completed its first flight, and is targeted at surveillance, fire fighting, rescue services and pollution monitoring missions.

Accipiter is operated from a van with two operator stations. At present, one van unit can operate only one air vehicle at a time, although CBT plans to increase this to support the use of up to four simultaneously.

quelques images prises le 13-08-11 lors du Taipei A&D technology Exhibition

F-5F



F16A EI



IDF ... F-CK1



Mirage 2000-5DI

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Hope Fades For Sale Of New F-16s To Taiwan



SINGAPORE — Some Taiwanese defense officials are continuing to argue that no final decision has been made on whether the U.S. will sell the island nation Lockheed Martin F-16C/Ds. But others in the government are starting to come out publicly and say what people in the U.S. defense industry have suspected all along: President Barack Obama will not sell the country new F-16s.

Taiwan’s parliamentary speaker, Wang Jin-pyng, told the China Times newspaper that the U.S. has changed its mind about selling F-16s to Taiwan and that the campaign is “all but hopeless.” Wang added the U.S. plans to sell Taiwan equipment to upgrade its F-16A/Bs. Wang is a senior member of Taiwan’s ruling Kuomintang Party.

The defense ministry’s spokesman, David Lo, and some in the U.S. government have been downplaying the prospect that Taiwan’s bid for F-16s will fail. They say “no final decision” has been made and point out that the U.S. has until Oct. 1 to decide. Whether the decision is final or not, industry executives tell Aviation Week it is unlikely the U.S. will sell new F-16s to Taiwan, but they say the U.S. may allow Taiwan’s F-16s to be upgraded.

Some of the upgrade equipment that Taiwan is seeking, and may succeed in obtaining, includes active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radars and new targeting pods. But this has caused consternation among some industry observers. An Aug. 19 editorial in The Asian Wall Street Journal says if Taiwan gets AESA radar and the other equipment it wants for its F-16s, the aircraft could end up being more technologically advanced than the U.S. Air Force’s F-16s. But the newspaper says what Taiwan needs is more fighter aircraft, rather than a small number of highly advanced fighters. If war breaks out between Taiwan and China, the editorial asserts, then Taiwan will be overwhelmed by the number of Chinese aircraft, and the advanced technology on Taiwan’s F-16s could end up in Chinese hands.

Another danger is that China may succeed in gaining the AESA radar technology through its network of spies in Taiwan. The issue of espionage has come to the fore in recent weeks. Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou said earlier this month that the island needs to actively prevent any leak of secrets to China and must stop infiltration attempts by beefing up its counterintelligence. His remarks came after a Taiwanese army general and an intelligence officer received life sentences for spying for China.

Meanwhile, on Aug. 17, Ko-suen (Bill) Moo was repatriated back to Taiwan after completing a 6.5-year prison sentence in the U.S. for seeking to export defense equipment – including a GE F110 engine for an F-16 – from the U.S. to China. Moo is a former sales agent for Lockheed Martin in Taiwan. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security statement says Moo was sent back to Taiwan on Aug. 17.

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DATE:25/08/11
SOURCE:Flight International
No decision yet on Taiwan F-16 sale, DoD says

A senior US Department of Defense official suggested on 24 August that the proposed sale of 66 Lockheed Martin F-16C/Ds to Taiwan has not been ruled out, despite recent news reports to the contrary.
Asked to comment on the news reports about the F-16 deal, Michael Shiffler, deputy assistant secretary of defence for East Asia, stopped short of giving a direct answer.
"I will simply offer that there have been no decisions that have been made on arms sales to Taiwan," Shiffler said. "We work this question on a daily basis."
Shiffler added that the US government continues to support a policy of providing Taiwan with the "self-defence capabilities that it requires".
The Obama administration plans to make a final decision by 1 October on whether to export new F-16s to Taiwan, or simply upgrade the country's existing F-16A/B fleet.

Will the US export new F-16s to Taiwan, or simply upgrade the country's existing F-16A/B fleet?
The day before Shiffler's remarks, Senator John Cornyn told reporters in Texas that he would try to go around the Obama administration's internal debate and insert the F-16s for Taiwan in a defence authorisation bill.
The deal's approval would mean extending the F-16 production line by up to two years, preserving up to 2,300 jobs, he said.
But such a sale of new weapon systems to Taiwan is likely to prompt a fierce reaction from China, which regards the island as a breakaway province.
For the past decade, China has committed a "robust investment" to improve its military capabilities, according to the DoD's annual report to Congress on Chinese military and security developments, which was released on 24 October.
The report acknowledged the appearance since late December of the Chengdu Aircraft J-20 stealth fighter prototype, and described it as a platform for conducting long-range strikes into complex air defences.
The report also described other new developments for the first time, such as the Chinese air force's plans to develop the H-6K long-range bomber and integrate the CJ-10A stand-off cruise missile.
The report also warned that the Chinese air force has global ambitions, but remains focused for the next decade at least on building up a "credible military threat" to US and Taiwanese forces.

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Ministry mum on HF-2Es on Penghu


ALTERNATIVES:Amid fears that US arms sales could dry up, Taiwan could explore ‘more radical’ solutions in the production and deployment of indigenous systems








Taiwan’s military could deploy surface-to-surface missiles on the Penghu Islands as part of efforts to mount a more credible deterrent capability against China, budgetary documents submitted earlier this month say.

According to the documents, the Ministry of National Defense’s Missile Command would deploy three missile squadrons at a fixed base on Penghu as part of a NT$2.5 billion (US$84.8 million) “Ji Zhun” (戟隼) plan for the acquisition of Hsiung Feng IIE (HF-2E) land attack cruise missiles. Part of the budget would reportedly be set aside for the construction of bunkers with dehumidifying systems to store the missiles.

President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) in 2008 gave the go-ahead for the production of 300 HF-2Es. The missile, developed by the Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, was approved for full production earlier this year.

The HF-2E can be fired from land-based emplacements as well as surface vessels. With an estimated range of 600km, the HF-2E brings some ports in southern China within range, which would now be extended by being deployed on Penghu, located in the middle of the Taiwan Strait.

HF-2Es have been spotted on naval vessels anchored at Penghu’s Makung (馬公) and Tien Kung II surface-to-air missiles are deployed there.

Stating standard procedure on military deployments, a Ministry of National Defense spokesman yesterday would not comment on the report, which first appeared in the Chinese-language United Daily News on Wednesday last week.

The amount of money to be spent on indigenous defense programs next year is the highest since 2000, reflecting growing fears within the military of a possible scaling back of arms sales to Taiwan by the US.

According to a Defense News article on Monday, new development programs could include an anti-radiation unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), a graphite bomb, an electromagnetic pulse weapon, a hypersonic vehicle testing capability, a long-range UAV, ship stealth technology and a catamaran-hulled ship.

A US-based defense analyst told the Taipei Times that insecurity stemming from perceived diminishing US support could spark Taiwan to adopt “more radical solutions,” such as the deployment of offensive missiles like the HF-2E.

“Given China’s increasingly formidable air defenses, using fixed wing air assets, such as F-5s or F-16s, to strike mainland targets has become increasingly costly. Therefore, investments in systems, such as the HF-2E, could be viewed as necessary to maintain a limited retaliation capability,” the analyst said.

US policy has long denied Taiwan efforts to acquire air-launched weapons considered offensive, such as Joint Direct Attack Munitions and AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radiation Missiles. The US Department of State has also repeatedly blocked, under the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), attempts by Taiwan to acquire components that would help it extend the range and yield of its missiles.

“The State Department is the keeper of the MTCR and ‘defensive weapons’ flame of the Taiwan Relations Act,” Rick Fisher, a senior fellow on Asian military affairs at the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center, told the Taipei Times last week. “Absent a White House level of policy change, the US is not going to offer any leadership in this direction.”

The first analyst said there seemed to be some inconsistencies in Washington’s strict adherence to the MTCR when it comes to Taiwan.

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