Argüelles wants the Pentagon will build on the collaboration between Navantia and General Dynamics
(Infodefensa.com) Madrid - The Secretary of State for Defence, Pedro Arguelles , performs a three-day visit to Washington during which, among other things, seeking the Pentagon will strengthen and continue the collaboration of the public shipyards Navantia with the multinational General Dynamics in relation to the development of the submarine S-80 .
According to the ministry itself, Argüelles seeks the support of the United States Navy two to the Spanish program at S-80 to solve their design problems.
"Currently, says the department heads Pedro More nés-formulas are sought to give continuity to the collaboration between companies Navantia and Electric Boat which can overcome the technological rut that runs through the program. "
Electric Boat is the naval branch of the U.S. company General Dynamics and owner in Spain to Santa Barbara systems , and specializes in nuclear submarines but abandoned conventional years. Navantia and Electric Boat have collaborated on several projects in the past on several occasions .
In this case, according to reliable sources, the Spanish policy decision was that the collaboration between private companies conduct through official channels, ie through the two armed to give more consistency to the project.
These sources, who spoke to Infodefensa.com on condition of anonymity, said that a team of technicians Electric Boat is in Spain for a few months and collaborates with engineers Navantia , under the supervision of the Spanish Armada , to find the solution technique to correct the problems of design S-80 and passing through lengthening the submersible.
Meeting with the number two
During the visit to the U.S. capital, Argüelles met the number two department Christine H. Fox , as well as other responsible Department of Defense of the United States .
After the meeting, a spokesman for the Pentagon reported that both reaffirmed the need to enhance collective security through NATO .
Fox also told Argüelles "profound gratitude" for the hospitality of Spain with prominent U.S. military and their families on the bases of Moron and Rota , and the support of other initiatives that benefit both countries and strengthen European security Spain , reported Reuters .
The agreement of Spain to host ships with four destroyers interceptor missile system Aegis in Rota "is fundamental to the American system support European missile defense element," said the spokesman.
Deploy these vessels in Rota also an additional opportunity for "joint training and a deeper cooperation between the navies of the United States and Spain , "he added.
Purpose of Travel
The purpose of the trip, said the Spanish Ministry of Defence is to deepen bilateral relations and share knowledge in areas such as management of defense logistics and support.
This will meet Frank Kendall, responsible for policy Acquisition, Technology and Logistics department and other members of your team. Kendall is also responsible for industrial policy and R & D related to the field of defense.
"Bilateral relations in the field of defense are very intense at this time, because we share a common vision of the challenges and how to address them," said Arguelles .
"In addition to collaboration in international missions under the NATO , relations with the U.S. can deepen critical areas such as Defense procurement policy, industrial base or planning of R & D ".
Agenda of the visit
Within the Ministry of Defence, the visit is part, as explained in the process aimed at centralization in the field of procurement and R & D. reforms
The U.S. model of centralized organization and management of R & D through agencies represent a reference to when undertaking changes aimed at improving the efficiency and optimization of spending on defense.
A delegation of the Director General of Ordnance (DGAM) delegation Lt. Gen. García Montaño , and the director of the National Institute for Aerospace Technology (INTA), Lieutenant General Ignacio Azqueta , visit the Space Center GODDARD , under the NASA , with the aim of strengthening relations with the U.S. space agency through the operation of the space station Robledo de Chavela and explore future collaborations in this field. The INTA , through the center of Astrobiology, is the only center associated with NASA outside the United States .
During his visit, the Secretary of State will meet with Katrina McFarland , head of the Defense Adquisitions University , with the aim of reaching an agreement on collaboration in training, to enable responsible DGAM attend courses provided by this institution . http://www.infodefensa.com/es/2014/04/09/noticia-arguelles-busca-pentagono-intensifique-colaboracion-entre-navantia-general-dynamcis.html?aleat=1754#googtrans(es|en)
Aie aie aie..... je l'avais predit que les Américains allé se goinffrer avec leur participation au programme S80. http://www.corlobe.tk/spip.php?article34668
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Le ministère espagnol de la défense a confirmé les pires craintes concernant le futur sous-marin S-80, supposé devenir l’un des plus modernes parmi les sous-marins à propulsion non-nucléaire.
En réponse à une question posée au Parlement, le ministre espagnol de la défense, Pedro Morenés, a reconnu la semaine dernière que le plus important projet dans l’histoire de l’industrie espagnole de défense, présenterait un dépassement de budget d’au moins 700 millions €, sur les 2,135 milliards € prévus au départ. Et ce n’est pas tout. Il a aussi reconnu que, à ce stade, on ne pouvait prévoir une date pour la livraison à la marine espagnole pour le premier exemplaire des 4 commandés à Navantia. Malgré tout cela, le ministère considère que « continuer à soutenir le développement de ce programme, sera avantageux pour tous ». Tout découle d’un unique problème : le sous-marin est trop gros. Il est dû à une erreur dans la conception initiale qui fait que, aujourd’hui, le sous-marin pèse 75 tonnes de plus que ce qu’il devrait, ce qui l’empêche de remonter à la surface. La seule solution possible, avancée par les ingénieurs américains, est d’allonger le sous-marin de 6 mètres pour compenser le sur-poids, ce qui suppose que le ministère espagnol de la défense débourser ces 700 millions € au moment où les forces armées espagnoles rencontrent d’énormes difficultés économiques à cause des réductions budgétaires. Le ministère de la défense maintient le cap et que « les problèmes découverts dans le développement du programme sont habituels dans des projets de ce type, comme cela s’est produit dans d’autres pays. » Ici, la solution pour le moment, passe par deux possibilités : soit le ministère apporte de l’argent supplémentaires, soit il réduit le nombre de sous-marins construits. mais dans tous les cas, le sur-cout est inévitable. La marine espagnole attend La construction du premier des 4 sous-marins S-80 a commencé en 2005 et, selon les prévisions, il devrait être livré à la marine en 2015. Les autres devraient entrer en service en 2016, 2018 et 2019. Actuellement, néanmoins, le ministère prévient qu’il « est prématuré d’avancer un calendrier précis, bien que l’objectif soit de terminer la construction aussi vite que possible. » Cette incertitude constitue un sérieux contre-temps pour la marine qui, actuellement, ne dispose plus que de 3 sous-marins opérationnels dans la classe obsolète des Agosta — le Galerna, le Mistral et le Tramontana — des sous-marins ayant déjà 30 ans de service. En plus d’apporter à la marine un sous-marin moderne, Navantia a aussi pour objectif de vendre le S-80 à l’étranger, ce qui apporterait d’importants bénéfices. Pour le ministère, « le développement du programme apporte à l’industrie navale des capacités technologiques de pointe qui lui permettent de concourir sur le marché international avec leur propre modèle. » L’idée affichée de l’entreprise publique espagnole est de transformer son siège de Cathagène en un chantier naval de référence pour la conception et la construction de ce type de sous-marins. Le S-80 a déjà été proposé aux marine d’autres pays, comme l’Australie, la Norvège et l’Inde. Néanmoins, la possibilité de commercialisation est fortement compromise par les difficultés du programme, dans un secteur très concurrentiel au niveau mondial. Référence : La Rioja (Espagne)
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The government plans to Navantia commissioned 300 million
(Infodefensa.com) Madrid - The government is considering whether to instruct a new amphibious helicopter carrier Navantia ( LHD ), as Juan Carlos I , or two Maritime Action Ship ( BAM ) for a total amount of 300 million to 350 million euros . These options are specific plans developed by the Minister of Finance , Cristobal Montoro , in an appearance in Congress last February. So says elEconomista on information on citing "reliable sources in the Ministry of Finance , "and added that the necessary funding would be made through the Ministry of Industry . The Ministry of Defense consulted Infodefensa.com not want the moment to comment on this issue, which neither confirms nor denies. Industry sources noted at the time that even the promise of Montoro did not respond to any particular plan were already in place before their statements. Finally ordered a new LHD, Spain would have two units of the largest military vessel in the history of the Navy , a goal that self AJEMA ( Chief of Navy ) includes in its estimates for the 2020-2025 period. In that case, it would be more difficult is to obtain a substitute for carrier planes Harrier , which at that time no longer expected to be operational and will be difficult to replace the only option: F35B , short version of vertical takeoff and landing program multinational Joint Strike Fighter which is not part of Spain. The outdoor sale first choice If the chosen option is the construction of two new BAM, then resume partially deferred construction of a second phase of these ships (the Navy already has four units in the first phase), which included the construction of five ships total . For your information, the business daily said that option would be shuffling the new order they were first to market in the international market, which not only met this goal would join the fleet of the Spanish Armada.
je les voit mal commercialiser un tel fiasco a l’étranger mais la question que je me pose est : es ce qu ils commercialiseront le S80+ les 6 metres ou bien le S80 de depart avec correction de l'erreur qui a fait qu il pese 75 tonnes de plus et es ce qu ils seront aussi competitifs question prix et maitrise de l'entretien avec les francais qui ont deja commercialisé le scorpene et qui maitrisent la chose
car je pense qu un scorpène VS un S80 rallongé de 6 mètres le scorpène je pense est moin cher et plus sur q un S80 que nous savons même pas le comportement une fois mis a flot le tout n est pas une question de couler et remonter en surface
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Four confirmed dead as Spain finds missing helicopter
A military helicopter that crashed into the sea near the Canary Islands was found Sunday with the bodies of its four missing crew members inside, the Spanish government said, AFP reports.
The Super Puma helicopter, which crashed while practising a routine rescue operation, was found by a deep-diving robot in the early hours of the morning at a depth of more than 2,300 metres, Spain's defence ministry said in a statement. "According to images sent by the robot from the boat 'Ares', the four missing crew members are still inside," the ministry said. It added it is studying the "viability" of recovering the bodies." The helicopter was found at a depth of 2,363 metres, which has complicated the recovery operation," the statement said. One crew member survived the accident on March 19. Naval, police and maritime rescue services had been combing an area of about 45 kilometres from Fuertaventura - one of the largest islands in the archipelago off the northwest coast of Africa - as they tried to find the wreckage. http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_20/Four-confirmed-dead-as-Spain-finds-missing-helicopter-9572/
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