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- Le monde se prépare à de nouvelles révélations par WikiLeaks, Washington appréhende
(AFP) – Il y a 11 heures
WASHINGTON — Des gouvernements du monde entier se préparaient en ce début de week-end à de nouvelles révélations par WikiLeaks, sous la forme d'un tourbillon de câbles diplomatiques américains potentiellement embarrassants pour les Etats-Unis et leurs partenaires.
L'administration Obama avait annoncé dès mercredi que ses services diplomatiques avaient entrepris de préparer des gouvernements étrangers à la publication prochaine de documents secrets susceptibles de créer des "tensions" avec eux.
Dans un entretien sur CNN qui sera diffusé dimanche dont l'AFP a obtenu la retranscription vendredi, le chef d'état-major interarmées américain, l'amiral Michael Mullen, a estimé que les agissements de WikiLeaks étaient "extrêmement dangereux", notamment pour la sécurité des soldats américains, appelant les responsables du site à renoncer à ces révélations.
De son côté, le porte-parole du département d'Etat Philip Crowley a déclaré que les Etats-Unis se préparaient au "pire scénario". Le département d'Etat avait indiqué plus tôt s'attendre à la publication de documents diplomatiques concernant "un large éventail de dossiers et de pays".
Le porte-parole a spécifié que parmi les pays contactés par la secrétaire d'Etat Hillary Clinton figuraient l'Allemagne, l'Arabie saoudite, les Emirats arabes unis, la Grande-Bretagne, la France, l'Afghanistan.
A Moscou, le quotidien Kommersant a affirmé que les fuites comportaient des appréciations "désagréables" qui pourraient blesser Moscou.
Ces révélations "peuvent provoquer une brouille entre les Etats-Unis et la Russie", tout comme avec la moitié des pays de la planète, écrit le quotidien.
A Rome, le ministre des Affaires étrangères Franco Frattini a été prévenu par Washington que des documents concernaient l'Italie.
Le Canada a indiqué que son ambassade à Washington "s'occupe actuellement de cette question avec le département d'Etat".
A Bagdad, l'ambassadeur des Etats-Unis, James Jeffrey, avait affirmé plus tôt que sa mission était "inquiète" face à des révélations susceptibles de saper "des discussions de confiance".
Le site spécialisé dans la révélation de documents confidentiels a promis lundi de mettre en ligne sept fois plus de documents confidentiels que les 400.000 récemment publiés sur la guerre en Irak.
Les premières fuites de WikiLeaks, en juillet sur l'Afghanistan, contenaient peu d'importantes révélations, et celles émanant d'Irak se concentraient en majorité sur des exactions commises entre différentes factions irakiennes.
Washington pourrait être plus embarrassé par la divulgation de documents rédigés par ses diplomates, en particulier s'ils mettent en cause des partenaires étrangers des Etats-Unis.
Selon le ministère finlandais des Affaires étrangères, l'ambassade américaine dans ce pays pense que cette publication allait être "la plus grave".
Selon un haut responsable israélien, Israël, dont Washington est le plus important allié, a été informé que ces fuites de câbles diplomatiques pourraient porter sur des rapports confidentiels adressés par l'ambassade américaine à des responsables israéliens.
A Ankara, un diplomate turc de haut rang a indiqué que la Turquie avait également été mise au courant.
Selon des informations de presse, les nouvelles révélations porteraient notamment sur une aide de la Turquie aux militants d'Al-Qaïda en Irak et un soutien des Etats-Unis aux rebelles kurdes du Parti des travailleurs du Kurdistan (PKK), réfugiés en Irak.
Le ministre turc des Affaires étrangères, Ahmet Davutoglu, a ensuite jugé qu'il serait "hors de question" de tolérer des actes terroristes "ayant la Turquie pour origine et visant un pays voisin". Il a aussi insisté sur "la coopération étroite" entre Washington et Ankara face au PKK.
Des responsables en Grande-Bretagne, Norvège et Danemark ont aussi indiqué que leurs pays avaient été informés par les Etats-Unis. _________________ | |
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Date: 2009-11-18 16:58:00 Origin: 09JEDDAH443 Source: Consulate Jeddah Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: 09JEDDAH292 09JEDDAH79 Destination: VZCZCXRO1684 RR RUEHDE RUEHDH RUEHDIR RUEHROV DE RUEHJI #0443/01 3221658 ZNY CCCCC ZZH R 181658Z NOV 09 FM AMCONSUL JEDDAH TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 1602 INFO RUEHXK/ARAB ISRAELI COLLECTIVE RUEHZM/GULF COOPERATION COUNCIL COLLECTIVE RUEHRH/AMEMBASSY RIYADH 8582 RUEHDH/AMCONSUL DHAHRAN 0157 RHEHAAA/NSC WASHDC RUEAIIA/CIA WASHDC
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 JEDDAH 000443
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/31/2014 TAGS: SA, SCUL, SOCI, ZR, KISL SUBJECT: UNDERGROUND PARTY SCENE IN JEDDAH: SAUDI YOUTH FROLIC UNDER "PRINCELY PROTECTION"
REF: A. JEDDAH 0292 B. JEDDAH 0079
JEDDAH 00000443 001.2 OF 002
Classified By: Consul General Martin R. Quinn for reasons 1.4 (b) and ( d)
1. (C) Summary: Behind the facade of Wahabi conservatism in the streets, the underground nightlife for Jeddah's elite youth is thriving and throbbing. The full range of worldly temptations and vices are available -- alcohol, drugs, sex -- but strictly behind closed doors. This freedom to indulge carnal pursuits is possible merely because the religious police keep their distance when parties include the presence or patronage of a Saudi royal and his circle of loyal attendants, such as a Halloween event attended by ConGenOffs on October 29. Over the past few years, the increased conservatism of Saudi Arabia's external society has pushed the nightlife and party scene in Jeddah even further underground. End summary.
Elite party like the rest of the world, --------------------------------------- just underground -----------------
2. (C) Along with over 150 young Saudis (men and women mostly in their 20's and early 30's), ConGenOffs accepted invitations to an underground Halloween party at Prince XXXXXXXXXXXX residence in Jeddah on October 29. Inside the gates, past the Nigerian security guards and after the abaya coat-check, the scene resembled a nightclub anywhere outside the Kingdom: plentiful alcohol, young couples dancing, a DJ at the turntables, and everyone in costume. Funding for the party came from a corporate sponsor, Kizz-Me, a U.S.-based energy-drink company that now distributes out of Saudi Arabia, as well as from the princely host himself.
Royalty, attended by "khawi," keep religious police at bay --------------------------------------------- -------------
3. (C) Religious police/CPVPV (Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice) were nowhere to be seen and while admission was controlled through a strictly-enforced guest list, the partygoers were otherwise not shy about publicizing the affair. According to a young Saudi from a prominent Jeddah merchant family, the Saudis try to throw parties at princes' houses or with princes in attendance, which serves as sufficient deterrent to interference by the CPVPV. There are over 10,000 princes in the Kingdom, albeit at various levels and gradations -- "Royal Highnesses" ("Saheb Al Sumou Al Maliki") signified by direct descent from King Abdulaziz, and mere "Highnesses" ("Saheb Al Sumou") from less direct branches of the Al Saud ruling family. Our host that evening, XXXXXXXXXXXX, traces his roots to Thunayan, a brother of Mohammad, Amir of Diriyyah and Nejd (1725-65), King Abdullah's direct ancestor, six generations back. Although XXXXXXXXXXXX is considered a second-tier "Cadet" prince, not in line for the throne, he still enjoys the perks of a mansion, luxury car, lifetime stipend, and security entourage. (Note: Most of the prince's security forces were young Nigerian men. It is common practice for Saudi princes to grow up with hired bodyguards from Nigeria or other African nations who are of similar age and who remain with the prince well into adulthood. They are called "khawi," derived from the Arabic word "akh," meaning "brother." The lifetime spent together creates an intense bond of loyalty. End note.)
Availability of black market alcohol, prostitutes, and drugs --------------------------------------------- ---------------
4. (C) Alcohol, though strictly prohibited by Saudi law and custom, was plentiful at the party's well-stocked bar, well-patronized by Halloween revellers. The hired Filipino bartenders served a cocktail punch using "sadiqi," a locally-made "moonshine." While top-shelf liquor bottles were on display throughout the bar area, the original contents were reportedly already consumed and replaced by sadiqi. On the black market, a bottle of Smirnoff can cost 1,500 riyals when available, compared to 100 riyals for the locally-made vodka. It was also learned through word-of-mouth that a number of the guests were in fact "working girls," not uncommon for such parties.
JEDDAH 00000443 002.2 OF 002
Additionally, though not witnessed directly at this event, cocaine and hashish use is common in these social circles and has been seen on other occasions.
5. (C) Comment: Saudi youth get to enjoy relative social freedom and indulge fleshly pursuits, but only behind closed doors -- and only the rich. Parties of this nature and scale are believed to be a relatively recent phenomenon in Jeddah. One contact, a young Saudi male, explained that up to a few years ago, the only weekend activity was "dating" inside the homes of the affluent in small groups. It is not uncommon in Jeddah for the more lavish private residences to include elaborate basement bars, discos, entertainment centers and clubs. As one high society Saudi remarked, "The increased conservatism of our society over these past years has only moved social interaction to the inside of people's homes." End comment. QUINN | |
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- WikiLeaks : les ombres d'une campagne saoudienne
Le Monde | 07.12.10 | 22h31
Pendant près de cinquante jours, du 5 novembre au 22 décembre 2009, l'Arabie saoudite est engagée dans une courte guerre avec la rébellion yéménite houthiste (du nom de son initiateur Abdel Malek Al-Houthi) retranchée dans le nord du pays et qui s'était déployée au-delà de la frontière entre les deux pays.
Pour un royaume habitué au "soft power" et qui a longtemps sous-traité sa sécurité aux Etats-Unis, ce qui ressemble au départ à une escarmouche se transforme très vite en épreuve. Elle est suivie de très près par les Américains, appelés à la rescousse pour ravitailler l'armée saoudienne.
"Il s'agit de l'engagement le plus significatif depuis qu'Abdel Aziz a combattu pour établir le royaume saoudien", il y a plus d'un siècle, écrit en décembre l'ambassade américaine à Riyad, selon un télégramme obtenu par WikiLeaks et révélé par Le Monde.
Mais le bilan dressé par les Américains des bombardements saoudiens jugés "disproportionnés", aussi massifs qu'imprécis dans un théâtre d'opération montagneux, est particulièrement sévère, même si au final les Saoudiens assurent avoir repoussé les rebelles.
Au point que lors d'une rencontre avec le vice-ministre saoudien de la défense qui a dirigé les opérations, le prince Khaled Bin Sultan, quelques semaines plus tard, l'ambassadeur américain s'inquiète du bon usage fait par l'aviation saoudienne des images prises par satellite transmises par les Etats-Unis.
CINQ VÉHICULES ET HUIT PNEUS
L'ambassadeur présente au prince la photo d'un bâtiment bombardé qui, selon les Etats-Unis, est un hôpital. "Cela me dit quelque chose", remarque le prince, avant d'ajouter: "Si nous avions eu des Predator, peut-être que nous n'aurions pas eu ce genre de problème." Et le prince de mettre en cause la qualité des informations données par les Yéménites.
Selon cette note, datée du 7 février, les Saoudiens auraient ainsi reçu les coordonnés d'un site correspondant au quartier général du commandant de la région nord du Yémen, le général Ali Mohsen Al-Ahmar, "qui est considéré comme un opposant politique au président [Ali Abdallah] Saleh", précise la note.
Des critiques, les Saoudiens en ont également à faire valoir aux Etats-Unis. Sur la qualité des armes fournies tout d'abord notamment les bombes GBU-10 à guidage laser, dont des dizaines n'auraient pas explosé.
Les Saoudiens reprochent également les procédures américaines qui ont, selon eux, freiné le ravitaillement en munitions aux moments les plus critiques. C'est "comme lorsqu'une maison brûle et que les voisins disent qu'ils vont intervenir mais qu'ils ne le font pas", se plaint un général saoudien.
Le même responsable compare alors les Etats-Unis à un vendeur de voiture qui cèderait "cinq véhicules mais avec seulement huit pneus". Une guerre brève, donc, mais avec quelques dégâts collatéraux.
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- Le pari syrien de M. Sarkozy laisse les Américains sceptiques
Le Monde | 07.12.10 | 22h30 • Mis à jour le 07.12.10 | 22h57
La politique d'ouverture de Nicolas Sarkozy au régime du président syrien Bachar Al-Assad aura suscité beaucoup de scepticisme côté américain. Washington aurait préféré une approche moins précipitée et plus clairement soumise à conditions, considérant que Damas demeure une source majeure de problèmes (transferts d'armes au Hezbollah libanais, soutien au Hamas, ingérences en Irak.
Dans les télégrammes américains obtenus par WikiLeaks et consultés par Le Monde, l'approche du président français est décrite comme "un gros pari" comportant des "risques". Certains câbles expriment une "consternation" face à l'attitude de l'Elysée, et notent des différences avec le Quai d'Orsay, perçu comme plus strict à l'égard de Damas.
"La présidence française a appris sa leçon depuis ses tentatives ratées l'an dernier de travailler avec la Syrie", écrit ainsi un diplomate américain à Paris, en mai 2008. Un autre télégramme semble ironiser, en juin 2008, sur le fait que "les émissaires de l'Elysée considèrent leur visite à Damas comme un succès".
Les Américains avaient bien relevé qu'au début de sa présidence, M. Sarkozy avait envoyé un signal de continuité avec la ligne de Jacques Chirac, qui coopérait étroitement avec Washington depuis 2004 sur la Syrie, et boycottait Bachar Al-Assad depuis l'assassinat à Beyrouth de l'ancien premier ministre libanais, Rafic Hariri. Le 10 mai 2007, M. Chirac organisait une rencontre à l'Elysée entre Saad Hariri, le fils de l'homme politique assassiné (aujourd'hui premier ministre du Liban), et M. Sarkozy, qui "assura qu'il garderait le cap" à propos du Tribunal spécial pour le Liban, selon un télégramme américain. Le passage de relais semblait assuré.
Par la suite, la diplomatie de George Bush s'interroge, en particulier à propos des déplacements à Damas de Claude Guéant, le secrétaire général de l'Elysée. Après une pause début 2008, l'Elysée renoue de plus belle avec Bachar Al-Assad pour préparer le sommet à Paris de l'Union pour la Méditerranée, projet phare de M. Sarkozy pour le monde arabe.
Bachar Al-Assad est invité à la tribune d'honneur, lors du défilé du 14 Juillet. Lui qui "n'a pas été invité dans une capitale occidentale depuis des années", note un câble, sort "de son isolement". "Les Syriens se considèrent en position de force", ajoute le document. "Etre reçu à Paris représente pour Al-Assad, à défaut d'autre chose, un gain en “relations publiques”".
"ARGUMENT SPECIEUX"
L'Elysée ne fait qu'une petite tentative, vite abandonnée, sur les droits de l'homme. Le président Assad a rejeté de la manière la plus sèche la suggestion française qu'il libère des prisonniers politiques avant sa venue à Paris. "Les Syriens ont adroitement dévié ce message en suggérant que la France passe par le Qatar pour les demandes liées aux droits de l'homme, afin de “ne pas donner l'impression que la Syrie succombe à des pressions occidentales”", écrit un diplomate américain. "Les Français semblent avoir avalé cet argument spécieux".
En septembre 2008, M. Sarkozy se rend à Damas. Un déplacement "prématuré" selon les Américains, car "il semble récompenser Assad pour de vagues promesses restées sans effet". L'objectif français est d'amener la Syrie à devenir plus constructive sur le Liban, et d'essayer de la détourner de son alliance avec l'Iran. M. Sarkozy est "un pragmatique", explique Boris Boillon, un conseiller de l'Elysée, à un diplomate américain. "Si les Syriens se comportent mal, tant pis pour eux".
La France prétend traiter en toute fermeté avec la Syrie, qui "n'est pas un partenaire commercial important". "Le plan français sur la Syrie" poursuit Boris Boillon, prévoit comme date butoir la fin de l'année 2008, pour l'envoi d'un ambassadeur syrien à Beyrouth. Il ajoute que "Sarkozy a réussi à peser sur l'approche d'Assad sur la question du nucléaire iranienne". "Nous sommes quelque peu sceptiques sur ce moment d'épiphanie", observe un télégramme américain.
Début 2009, les tergiversations syriennes n'ont pas cessé. Un ambassadeur est nommé, mais pas encore envoyé à Beyrouth. En mars, un diplomate américain à Paris rend compte d'une conversation avec le diplomate français Jean-Claude Cousseran, salué comme "l'arabisant le plus distingué de sa génération". En "changeant de ton à l'égard des Occidentaux", la Syrie a opéré un "changement tactique, plutôt que stratégique", analyse M.Cousseran. "Ecarter la Syrie de l'Iran est une bonne idée, mais cela ne marchera jamais".
M.Cousseran "note que les Syriens sont maîtres dans l'art d'éviter de réelles concessions. Ils savent envelopper leurs interlocuteurs dans une atmosphère merveilleuse et des conversations réjouissantes, avant de les renvoyer les mains vides", poursuit le câble.
AMBITIONS FRANÇAISES FRUSTRÉES
Le président syrien joue la montre. Devant l'élu américain, John Kerry, le 21 février 2009, il déclare qu'il ne cédera à aucune "pression pour envoyer rapidement un ambassadeur syrien à Beyrouth". C'est une "question de souveraineté", dit-il, ajoutant que "les Français [lui] ont imposé contre sa volonté" la date butoir de décembre 2008.
L'ambassadeur présentera finalement ses lettres de créances le 21 mars 2009. "Bien que Sarkozy soit contrarié" par ce retard, note un câble américain, "lui et ses conseillers ont choisi de minimiser, et demeurent convaincus que le dialogue avec la Syrie a apporté des dividendes".
Fin novembre 2009, la diplomatie de Barack Obama se penche sur les résultats d'un nouveau déplacement à Paris du président Assad. La France espère un rôle de médiation entre la Syrie et Israël. "On ne voit pas clairement, écrit un diplomate américain à Damas, comment Paris analyse la façon dont, selon beaucoup d'observateurs ici, Bachar Al-Assad instrumentalise les ambitions de Sarkozy".
Plus tard, l'ambassade américaine à Paris commente que "les ambitions françaises au Moyen- Orient" sont "frustrées". "Les officiels français sont convaincus que la main tendue de Sarkozy à la Syrie a fait du président Al-Assad un partenaire plus productif pour la résolution des problèmes dans la région – bien qu'ils aient du mal à fournir des exemples concrets de ce changement".
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- WikiLeaks : les diplomates américains pointent le régime "sclérosé" de Ben Ali en Tunisie
Le Monde | 07.12.10 | 22h31
La Tunisie n'a pas grand-chose à se reprocher en matière de droits de l'homme. Il y a bien eu "quelques problèmes", mais le gouvernement y remédie, puisque "des dizaines" d'officiers de police ont été jugés pour "corruption ou autres délits". Malheureusement, "certaines ambassades", à Tunis, et "des organisations de défense des droits de l'homme" ont pris prétexte de la lutte antiterroriste menée par le gouvernement pour multiplier les critiques. Ça n'est pas une "attitude amicale"… Le télégramme américain qui résume la rencontre, au printemps 2008 à Tunis, entre le président Zine El-Abidine Ben Ali et le sous-secrétaire d'Etat américain chargé des affaires du Proche-Orient et de l'Afrique du Nord, David Welch, ne dit rien de la réponse du diplomate.
Mais d'autres mémos, obtenus par WikiLeaks et révélés par Le Monde, permettent de se faire une idée précise du régime tunisien vu par les diplomates américains. Dans un câble daté de juin 2008, sous le titre "Ce qui est à vous est à moi", l'ambassade décrit la corruption organisée par l'entourage familial du chef de l'Etat -"la Famille"- qualifié de "quasi-mafia".
Plus d'une dizaine d'exemples sont cités. Ici, c'est l'épouse du président qui se voit accorder gratuitement par l'Etat un terrain, qui sera viabilisé tout aussi gratuitement, pour construire un établissement scolaire privé, revendu depuis. Là c'est un gendre qui récupère "un immense manoir tape-à-l'œil" construit sur un terrain exproprié par l'Etat, officiellement pour les besoins de l'Agence de l'eau.
Plus loin, c'est un autre gendre qui acquiert 17% de la Banque du Sud à la veille de sa privatisation, et qui revendra ses actions "avec un confortable bénéfice" à un consortium bancaire hispano-marocain, lui assurant ainsi le contrôle majoritaire qu'elle souhaitait…
"LE PRÉSIDENT PREND DE L'ÂGE"
A l'été 2009, un autre mémo élargit le champ de vision et, non sans avoir salué la robuste croissance économique (5% en moyenne depuis dix ans) et le statut avancé de la femme, recense les "gros problèmes" du pays. "Le président Ben Ali prend de l'âge, son régime est sclérosé, et il n'y a pas de successeur avéré, peut-on lire. Beaucoup de Tunisiens sont frustrés par le manque de liberté politique et en colère contre la corruption de la famille de la première dame, le taux de chômage élevé et les disparités régionales. L'extrémisme reste une menace. Confronté à ces problèmes, le gouvernement n'accepte ni critique ni conseil, qu'il vienne de l'intérieur ou de l'extérieur. A l'inverse, il ne cherche qu'à imposer un contrôle plus strict, souvent en s'appuyant sur la police. Résultat : la Tunisie est à la peine et notre relation [avec elle] également."
Pour les diplomates, travailler en Tunisie est devenu très difficile. Les contrôles, "mis en place par le ministre des affaires étrangères", les contraignent à avoir une permission écrite avant tout contact avec un officiel. Une demande de réunion doit être accompagnée d'une note diplomatique. "Beaucoup restent sans réponse", précise un mémo.
PRIVILÉGIER LA DISCRÉTION
Maintenir des contacts avec les militants de la société civile est une gageure. Et les Tunisiens invités à des réceptions par l'ambassade font l'objet d'intimidations par des policiers en civil postés à proximité.
Quelle devrait être la politique de l'administration Obama en Tunisie ? Poursuivre les contacts avec l'opposition et la société civile. Continuer à critiquer "l'absence de démocratie et le peu de respect pour les droits de l'homme", le faire "de façon très claire, le plus souvent possible, et à très haut niveau", mais, à rebours de l'administration Bush, en privilégiant la discrétion.
Les Etats-Unis, ajoute le télégramme, devraient aussi demander aux pays européens d'intensifier leurs efforts pour "persuader le gouvernement tunisien d'accélérer les réformes politiques".
L'Allemagne et la Grande-Bretagne sont acquis à cette idée, mais "des pays-clés comme la France et l'Italie hésitent à faire pression" sur la Tunisie.
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- WikiLeaks : la Syrie ne bougera pas en cas de conflit entre l'Iran et Israël
Selon des révélations WikiLeaks, la Syrie a rejeté, fin 2009, la demande de l'Iran de se joindre à ses côtés si les installations nucléaires de la République islamique étaient attaquées ou bien même en cas de guerre entre Israël et le Hezbollah. Des diplomates syriens auraient également déclaré : "que les Iraniens ne comptent pas sur nous ou sur le Hezbollah ou le Hamas pour faire leur guerre (aux Iraniens) , nous sommes trop faibles, quant aux Iraniens, ils sont suffisamment puissants puisqu'ils ont les moyens de développer un programme nucléaire." Guysen.com - Citation :
- WikiLeaks : les Saoudiens ont proposé une force arabe commune contre…le Hezbollah
Selon d'étonnantes révélations WikiLeaks, l'Arabie Saoudite a suggéré aux Américains, en 2008, la mise sur pied d'une force arabe commune afin de détruire le Hezbollah. Le ministre saoudien des Affaires étrangères avait fait cette proposition pour mettre fin à la main mise du Hezbollah et de l'Iran sur le Liban.
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La Libye a menacé, l'an dernier, la Grande-Bretagne de conséquences "extrêmes" si l'auteur libyen de l'attentat de Lockerbie, malade, décédait en prison, révèlent des télégrammes diplomatiques américains dévoilés par WikiLeaks. Les menaces incluaient la fermeture de toutes les activités commerciales britanniques en Libye, des manifestations contre les représentations britanniques et des allusions menaçantes pour les sujets britanniques dans ce pays. Et si Washington manifestait publiquement son opposition à la libération du Libyen, "l'ambassade américaine et les citoyens américains en Libye pourraient s'exposer à des conséquences similaires", selon ces télégrammes. Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi a été libéré pour des "raisons humanitaires" en août 2009 de sa prison en Ecosse
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| ------------------------------------- Maghreb: Resolving the Western Sahara -------------------------------------
¶13. (S) On the Maghreb, Ben Ali suggested extremism is a real and growing problem. Morocco, he said, was at the "beginning of the beginning" of its problem. It had ignored, he added, the issue for too long and former King Hassan II had refused to discuss it. Nevertheless, Morocco was a strategic partner for Tunisia and the GOT was working to strengthen cooperation. On Algeria, Ben Ali, said the problem was a "little better" and may be at the beginning of the end. Ben Ali said Tunisia has strong and direct cooperation on counter-terrorism with Algeria. Welch noted that Morocco and Algeria trust Tunisia more than they trust each other. Welch agreed that there is a terrorism problem in Morocco.
¶14. (S) On the Western Sahara, Ben Ali said the Algerians are responsible for the ongoing impasse. Welch agreed, saying the issue was blocking progress in the region. He said the Algerians need to accept that there is not going to be an independent state in the Western Sahara. Ben Ali said the problem is complex, and will take years to resolve. He added it cannot be settled through the UN Security Council. He noted Tunisia had tried to convene a Maghreb meeting on it in Tunis. While Morocco and Libya had agreed to attend, Algeria refused, saying there was nothing to discuss. | |
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/28/2018 TAGS: PREL PTER PHUM PGOV KPAL KDRG KDEM TS SUBJECT: PRESIDENT BEN ALI MEETS WITH A/S WELCH: PROGRESS ON COUNTER-TERRORISM COOPERATION, REGIONAL CHALLENGES
Classified By: Ambassador Robert F. Godec for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
------- Summary -------
¶1. (S/NF) President Ben Ali and NEA Assistant Secretary David Welch discussed regional and bilateral issues in a wide-ranging, warm and open meeting on Thursday, February 28. In response to A/S Welch's remarks and requests, President Ben Ali:
-- promised counter-terrorism cooperation "without reservation," including US access to a terrorist in Tunisian custody; -- said the GOT would accept the ten remaining Tunisian detainees in Guantanamo on the basis of the constitution; -- welcomed the Annapolis peace process, adding that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is "optimistic" a deal will be concluded and plans to visit Tunis in March; and, -- said there is "no reason" for an Arab League Summit in Damascus unless there is a Lebanese president and opined that the meeting might be postponed or representation downgraded.
¶2. (S/NF) Welch and Ben Ali also covered US-Libyan relations, relations between Morocco and Algeria, the situation in Iraq and the challenge of Iran. The constructive session underscored again that Tunisia is prepared to play a moderate, but not a leadership, role on regional problems. Overall, Ben Ali was clearly pleased with Welch's visit and it received wide media coverage. End Summary.
-------------------- Meeting: The Setting --------------------
¶3. (S/NF) During his February 27 - 29 visit, NEA A/S David Welch met with President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali for one hour 45 minutes at the Presidential Palace in Carthage on Thursday, February 28. Foreign Minister Abdelwaheb Abdallah and Ambassador Godec were also present. The Director of Tunisia's External Communications Agency (ATCE), Oussama Romdhani, was the interpreter.
--------------------------------------------- ------------ Bilateral Relations: CT Cooperation "Without Reservation" --------------------------------------------- ------------
¶4. (S/NF) Ben Ali began by emphasizing the excellent, "strategic" relations between the United States and Tunisia. He continued, however, that he understood the United States had concerns about cooperation on counter-terrorism. Ben Ali said he had ordered Minister of Interior Rafik Belhaj Kacem and other senior officials to cooperate with the United States "without reservation" on counter-terrorism.
¶5. (S/NF) The President stressed that Tunisia cooperated with the United States on terrorism out of conviction, and said broader, deeper international cooperation is essential. Many countries, he said, have suffered as the result of terrorism. He expressed regret, however, over the human rights criticism Tunisia has faced as the result of its efforts to combat terrorism. Some governments have a "double standard," he said, on the issue. He added "some embassies" in Tunis and human rights groups had taken positions that were "not friendly" over such cases such as the imprisonment of activist Mohammed Abbou and of the "Zarzis group." (NB. The "Zarzis group" refers to six Tunisians detained in 2003 for allegedly preparing to commit terrorist attacks. The six were pardoned by Ben Ali in 2006 following international pressure.) Ben Ali acknowledged that there had been some problems with human rights in Tunisia, but stressed the GOT is addressing them. For example, he said, "tens" of police officers have been tried for corruption and other abuses. He said he would welcome the US Embassy receiving further information. He stressed that the GOT is committed to freedom and human rights, but no one is above the law.
¶6. (S/NF) A/S Welch thanked Ben Ali and expressed appreciation for his commitment to cooperation on counter-terrorism. He said he had two specific requests: 1) access for US officials to interview Tunisian terrorist
Noureddine Taam and 2) a commitment to accept the Tunisian detainees in Guantanamo on the basis of earlier assurances on treatment. Ben Ali responded that the United States would have immediate access to Taam. (NB. Additional details reported in GRPO channels.) He continued that the GOT would accept the detainees and do so on the basis of the Tunisian constitution. (NB. The Tunisian constitution offers guarantees on human rights, humane treatment and respect for international commitments.) Ben Ali emphasized again that on counter-terrorism and intelligence Tunisia would "cooperate with the United States without inhibitions" and the cooperation would be "total."
------------------------------------- Libya: Trying to Improve US Relations -------------------------------------
¶7. (S/NF) A/S Welch said the United States is improving relations with Libya, but from time to time has difficulties with leader Muammar Qadhafi. Welch asked that Ben Ali communicate to Qadhafi that the United States wants to continue to improve relations. Ben Ali replied that Qadhafi also wants better relations, but there remain "anti-American radicals" in the government. Qadhafi plans, according to Ben Ali, a cabinet reshuffle that would address the problem and we should see how the situation evolves. Qadhafi, Ben Ali opined, is "not a normal person" and had experienced disappointments over the failure of Arab and African unity. Ben Ali promised to raise the US interest in improving relations with Qadhafi in person or by phone.
-------------------------------------------- Middle East: The Peace Process Needs Support --------------------------------------------
¶8. (S) Welch stressed that President Bush's highest priority this year is progress toward two states, Palestine and Israel, living side-by-side in peace. While Palestinian Authority President Abbas and Prime Minister Olmert genuinely want peace, some of the Palestinian and Israeli people and leaders are skeptical. Welch stressed that all countries interested in peace need to make every effort to help move the process forward.
¶9. (S) Ben Ali agreed on the importance of the Annapolis process, adding he had spoken with Abbas who is "optimistic" an agreement will be reached by the end of the year. Nevertheless, progress will remain very difficult. Ben Ali stressed Fatah and Hamas must try to reach an understanding. He noted that Abbas will visit Tunisia in March and there is a proposal for a Fatah-Hamas meeting in Tunis. Ben Ali said he will wait to hear Abbas' views before proceeding on the proposal.
--------------------------------------------- ------- Arab League Summit: Not Without A Lebanese President --------------------------------------------- -------
¶10. (S) Welch asked Ben Ali about his views of Syria and the proposed Arab League Summit. Ben Ali responded that Syria is a source of concern. He said Syria is acting for Iran and the latter is fueling regional problems. He said he had met (on February 18) with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Mu'allim who handed over an invitation from President Bashar Asad to attend the summit in Damascus. He said he told Mu'allim that Syria should help resolve the problems in Lebanon. Ben Ali emphasized the complexity of the situation in Lebanon, noting the unhelpful involvement of many regional actors. He added that there was some support for inviting Iran to the Damascus Summit. Ben Ali said, however, that he saw no reason for the summit unless there is a Lebanese president in attendance. Welch agreed. Ben Ali continued the summit may be postponed, or representation downgraded from the Chief of State level. He noted other states in the region, including Morocco, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia agreed. In any event, Ben Ali said he would not attend such a summit.
--------------------- Iraq: Bleak Situation ---------------------
¶11. (S/NF) Ben Ali said the situation in Iraq is "bleak," but we must face it. The only party benefiting currently is Iran, and suggested that Turkey's current actions against the PKK are making matters worse. Welch noted there is some progress on the security situation and the political front in Iraq.
------------------- Region: "Explosive" -------------------
¶12. (S) Looking more broadly, Ben Ali noted that Tunisia was happy it was part of the Maghreb, and not part of Levant or Gulf. He opined that the situation in Egypt is "explosive," adding that sooner or later the Muslim Brotherhood would take over. He added that Yemen and Saudi Arabia are also facing real problems. Overall, the region is "explosive."
------------------------------------- Maghreb: Resolving the Western Sahara -------------------------------------
¶13. (S) On the Maghreb, Ben Ali suggested extremism is a real and growing problem. Morocco, he said, was at the "beginning of the beginning" of its problem. It had ignored, he added, the issue for too long and former King Hassan II had refused to discuss it. Nevertheless, Morocco was a strategic partner for Tunisia and the GOT was working to strengthen cooperation. On Algeria, Ben Ali, said the problem was a "little better" and may be at the beginning of the end. Ben Ali said Tunisia has strong and direct cooperation on counter-terrorism with Algeria. Welch noted that Morocco and Algeria trust Tunisia more than they trust each other. Welch agreed that there is a terrorism problem in Morocco.
¶14. (S) On the Western Sahara, Ben Ali said the Algerians are responsible for the ongoing impasse. Welch agreed, saying the issue was blocking progress in the region. He said the Algerians need to accept that there is not going to be an independent state in the Western Sahara. Ben Ali said the problem is complex, and will take years to resolve. He added it cannot be settled through the UN Security Council. He noted Tunisia had tried to convene a Maghreb meeting on it in Tunis. While Morocco and Libya had agreed to attend, Algeria refused, saying there was nothing to discuss.
-------------- Iran: A Threat --------------
¶15. (S) Welch noted that President Bush considered Iran a threat "yesterday, today and tomorrow." Noting the recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, Welch underscored that while the Iranians "may have put the gun in the closet, they are still trying to make the bullet." Nevertheless, he added, there are signs economic pressure is working. Ben Ali concurred. Welch said the chances of a third Security Council resolution are good and President Bush wants a diplomatic option.
¶16. (S/NF) Ben Ali replied this is "quite wise" of President Bush. He stressed he opposed the use of force, and that "a second front is not needed." Economic pressure on Iran will take longer, but it is working. Ben Ali added that he "does not trust" the Shia.
---------------------------------- Invitation: President Bush Welcome ----------------------------------
¶17. (S) President Ben Ali closed the meeting stressing his open invitation to President Bush to visit Tunisia before or after his time in office. Welch expressed his appreciation to Ben Ali for the meeting.
------------------------------ Comment: Warm and Open Ben Ali ------------------------------
¶18. (S/NF) Throughout the meeting, President Ben Ali was warm, open, and occasionally animated (at which point he sometimes slipped into Tunisian dialect). His quick and strong assurances on counter-terrorism cooperation were welcome, and may be an important step forward on what has been a troubling issue. Significantly, the President's promise was followed within hours by action from GOT officials. The key test will be whether cooperation continues and is both broad and deep. Similarly, the President's commitment on Guantanamo detainees was welcome.
¶19. (S/NF) On regional issues, Ben Ali showed again that he
is a moderate. While the Tunisians will not take the lead on foreign policy challenges, they will help where they can (e.g., support for the Annapolis process). Finally, President Ben Ali was clearly very pleased to see A/S Welch and to exchange views with him. The meeting and visit got broad, major media coverage in Tunisia. End Comment.
¶20. (SBU) A/S Welch did not have a chance to clear this cable. GODEC http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/03/08TUNIS193.html
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Date: 2008-06-20 06:26:00 Origin: 08MADRID685 Source: Embassy Madrid Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: 08MADRID678 Destination: VZCZCXYZ0000 RR RUEHWEB
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/18/2018 TAGS: PREL, MARR, AF, SP
SUBJECT: JUNE 8-11 VISIT TO SPAIN OF COMMANDER, U.S. AFRICA COMMAND
REF: MADRID 678
Classified By: DEPUTY CHIEF OF MISSION HUGO LLORENS, REASONS 1.4(B) AND (D).
1. (C) Summary: General William E. "Kip" Ward, Commander U.S. Africa Command, visited Spain June 8-11 for meetings with Spanish officials regarding AFRICOM. The primary purpose of the visit was to meet with Spanish leaders to discuss AFRICOM as well as listen and learn from their experiences on the continent and island nations. General Ward met with Chief of Defense General Felix Sanz, Secretary General of the Presidency Bernardino Leon, MFA Secretary of State for Foreign Policy Angel Lossada, and MOD Secretary General for Defense Policy Luis Cuesta. He also gave an interview to leading Spanish daily El Pais. Throughout, General Ward stressed that AFRICOM represented not the "militarization" of Africa but a serious and important effort by the U.S. to make its engagement with the nations of Africa security and humanitarian issues more effective. He solicited Spanish views and heard that, while Spain's historical interest in North Africa has not diminished, its interest sub-Saharan Africa is growing rapidly. The Spanish response to General Ward's briefings on AFRICOM was very positive and indicated a strong willingness to work cooperatively with the new command. End summary.
What AFRICOM Is and Is Not --------------------------
2. (C) In all of his meetings, General Ward stressed that AFRICOM was not about the militarization of Africa. Security assistance activities with many African nations were already underway and had been for some time. There were already Offices of Security Cooperation in many African countries. The U.S. was heavily engaged in humanitarian and development efforts on the continent. AFRICOM's role was to bring greater focus to existing security assistance programs and enhance the ability of the U.S. military to support USG efforts across the board in Africa. He explained that AFRICOM would be combining functions presently performed by EUCOM, CENTCOM, and PACOM. The change was less in what the U.S. did than in how it was done. AFRICOM had a construct that was inclusive of a large number of civilian agencies (including the Departments of Treasury and Commerce and USAID) and this would increase the command's awareness and understanding of what other agencies were doing to execute U.S. policy in Africa. The large number of civilians assigned to AFRICOM were not simply liaison officers, but integral members of the command. AFRICOM's role was not to take over those activities but to support them effectively. General Ward noted that AFRICOM had two deputy commanders, a flag officer for military operations and a Department of State former ambassador to handle civil and humanitarian affairs.
3. (C) General Ward stressed to all his Spanish interlocutors that AFRICOM wanted to avoid conflicting with other international actors and donors. General Ward said AFRICOM also wanted to reinforce positive European engagement with Africa, not replace it. AFRICOM wanted to support and complement what others were doing. AFRICOM meant Africa would be getting added focus from the U.S. and over time that would make a positive difference to Africa and foster stability on the continent. General Ward stressed his interest in Spanish views and the importance of Spanish cooperation. He asked that Spain continue the dialogue with the U.S. on Africa.
4. (C) General Ward said the terrorism threat in Africa was very real. Al Qaida made no secret of its aims against the west. He noted AFRICOM would play an important role in helping the states of the Sahel develop the capacity to face these threats. He explained that AFRICOM had a multi-disciplinary construct that would facilitate coordination with other USG agencies as well as international partners working in Africa. General Ward commended Spain for the participation of its naval personnel in Africa Partnership Station activities. He noted the Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans-Sahara components of the
Trans-Sahara Counterterrorism Partnership would pass from EUCOM to AFRICOM. General Ward noted U.S. interest in tracking the movements of foreign fighters via the Sahel.
5. (C) The Spanish were interested in the basing issue, but General Ward made clear that his priority is standing up his headquarters and his command. The question of AFRICOM's permanent home was one for the future.
Chief of Defense ----------------
6. (C) Spanish Chief of Defense General Felix Sanz was quick to tell Ambassador Aguirre and General Ward that he needed no convincing: he was already a strong supporter of AFRICOM. He said he had confidence in U.S. undertakings and valued his long association with the U.S. military. Sanz said AFRICOM's success would be Spain's success. He noted an appreciation for the comprehensive approach AFRICOM was taking, beyond the strictly military to military, and the strong civilian component within the command.
7. (C) Sanz said he was trying to educate the political levels of the government and welcomed any information AFRICOM could provide to assist him in that effort. He said he would report on General Ward's visit, using that as yet another opportunity to remind senior civilian leaders of what AFRICOM meant for Spain. He urged General Ward to stay in close contact. He said the Spanish military would be there for AFRICOM, subject of course to the policy direction of the political leadership. Sanz noted Spain's long historical association with North Africa (he recounted that a few years ago three of the four members of Spain's Joint Chiefs of Staff were born in Africa), but he also stressed Spain's growing interest in Africa as a whole, triggered in part by illegal immigration to the Canary Islands. Sanz said no other area of the world affected Spanish interests more than Africa.
8. (C) Sanz urged General Ward to be stubborn in building an understanding of and support for AFRICOM's mission. He noted there were political factors that could not be ignored, but insisted the key was to be persistent and keep explaining the positive goals of AFRICOM. He predicted those in Spain who understood the problems of Africa would be supportive. Sanz also suggested stressing to political interlocutors the benefits to Spain of AFRICOM. He suggested that in terms of Spanish involvement, a modest start would give people a chance to become accustomed to the idea.
Secretary General of the Presidency -----------------------------------
9. (C) Secretary General of the Presidency Bernardino Leon spent nearly 90 minutes with General Ward and talked extensively about Spanish views on Africa. Leon said Spain worked closely with Algeria and Morocco and, like the U.S., was very concerned about the movement of foreign fighters in the Maghreb. Leon said although the date had not been announced, President Zapatero would travel to Morocco July 7.
10. (C) On Western Sahara, Leon said Algeria had rebuffed a Moroccan proposal to open the border. The excuse was concern over Western Sahara but Leon doubted this. He suspected Algeria remained unhappy over what they regarded as Morocco's unhelpful attitude during Algeria's civil war. Leon said it was time for Algeria to accept Morocco's apology and open the border. He said Spain had proposed a joint energy project which Algeria had not yet opposed although Leon noted an Algerian tendency to raise objections at the last moment and to use Western Sahara as an excuse. Leon said Algeria was aware Morocco would never leave Western Sahara. Algeria was simply trying to make things more complicated for Morocco and use the issue as leverage on other matters. Leon noted five percent of Morocco's GDP was tied up in Western Sahara. He predicted current talks would fail but said he did not expect a military response from Polisario.
11. (C) Leon noted sub-Saharan Africa was becoming a very
important of Spain's national security concerns and presented multiple complex challenges. He said Spain was especially concerned about the Sahel which he described as a line running from troubled states such as Somalia and Sudan all the way across to the Canary Islands. He noted Spain had recently opened new embassies in Mali, Niger, and Sudan. Leon stated Spain was working on an updated (2008-2012) version of its Plan Africa for the sub-Sahara. He also said the Foreign Ministry was elevating sub-Saharan Africa to a full director generalship (until recently it had been handled by a sub-DG under a DG also responsible for North Africa and the Middle East) and that Spanish aid for the region had multiplied five times since 2004 (approaching one billion euros).
12. (C) Leon predicted President Zapatero would travel often to sub-Saharan Africa in his second term. He also noted Spain planned to organize a summit with the Western African states and would be open to U.S. participation or observation. Leon said his personal experience in Africa went back over many years and included postings in Liberia and Zaire. He mentioned Spain's deployment of troops to the UN mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the current deployment of two cargo aircraft and support personnel to the EU mission in Chad. Leon said Spain was trying to organize a framework for cooperation in West Africa to help those countries confront the threat from organized crime. He said states such as Guinea-Bissau were weak and vulnerable to drug, arms, and alien traffickers. Leon noted Sudan was very complicated with the north-south problem unresolved and Darfur getting even more complicated. He opined that the current system of sanctions was ineffective given the attitude of China.
13. (C) Leon mentioned he had recently visited Chad. He said it was important to work with the AU, but he was pessimistic. He did not expect anything from the Libyans, and he suggested a need to find some way to work with the Chinese in Africa. He noted they were widely present on the continent but did not see many of the troublesome regimes as the West saw them.
14. (C) Leon predicted Mali and Niger could do well with the support of the international community. He noted Spain was trying to help and that the Ministry of Interior was engaging with counterparts there. He noted Spain had embassies and developmnt offices in both countries and was setting up a language institute in Bamako. He suggested the U.S. and Spain look at donor coordination and information sharing. Leon was optimistic about Ivory Coast, opining that Gbagbo was very intelligent and that the Ivory Coast was important to stability in the region. Leon said Spain was interested in helping in the region. He said Conakry Guinea had a good president but suffered from corruption. He noted Spain had seen a problem with merchant vessels leaving Conakry headed for the Canary Islands, and Spanish intelligence services were trying to keep an eye on the situation. He was even more critical of Guinea Bissau. He said he had visited and urged the president to fire the MOI, which he did, but Leon said everyone in the government was tainted to some degree by corruption. He noted the islands operated almost as independent states (he cited a French hotel with its own airstrip which operated without regard to the country's customs and immigration authorities). He said some of the islands had airstrips which were being used by South American drug traffickers. Spain was considering providing some job training, repairing a road to improve access to the main harbor and perhaps sending a patrol boat to be jointly manned by Spanish and local officials.
15. (C) Turning to Senegal, Mauritania, and the Gambia, Leon said Spain was working to improve their capacity. He said law enforcement cooperation with Senegal was good and noted Spain had helped set up a small command center connected to the Spanish authorities in the Canary Islands. Leon said the government in Mauritania was weak, and he worried terrorists might attempt to destabilize the country. He said Spain would probably send some security assistance trainers.
16. (C) With regard to Liberia and Sierra Leon, Leon noted
Liberia used to produce rice for the entire region and the destruction of other crops more recently introduced might present an opportunity to reintroduce rice. He said Spain was studying an ECOWAS electricity project that would consist of funding a feasibility study for electric integration in West Africa aimed at the rural population. He said the study would cost $10 to $11 million. He also mentioned some sub regional infrastructure projects such as repair of the Dakar-Bamako railway and the Bamako-Conakry road. He noted these projects would be very expensive and were not things Spain could do alone.
17. (C) Leon said Spain had developed good relations with Angola and Mozambique in the wake of Portugal's withdrawal. He noted Spain's interest in Equatorial Guinea, which he said had a good chance for progress thanks to its natural resources. He noted the last elections were a missed opportunity to create more space for the opposition. He said Spain was trying to convince the government of the need for reform and mentioned they had given the government of list of 27 political prisoners who should be released, most of whom had been set free. He noted the good cooperation between the U.S. and Spanish Embassies in Equatorial Guinea and suggested both countries should deliver a message on democracy.
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs --------------------------------------
18. (C) Angel Lossada, the new number two in the Foreign Ministry, stressed that Africa was no longer a far away place to Spain. Thanks to globalization, terrorism, immigration, and organized crime -- not to mention the proximity of the Canary Islands -- sub-Saharan Africa was now on Spain's doorstep. Engagement and investment was increasing. Lossada noted Spain had opened six new embassies in the region in recent years, mainly in the Sahel. Development assistance was now approaching the one billion euro mark. Plan Africa was being continued out to 2012 and would provide coherency to Spain's activities in sub-Saharan Africa.
19. (C) Lossada stressed the porosity of borders in Africa and the threat from Al Qaida in the Maghreb. He noted the engagement by the Ministry of Interior on law enforcement and security issues (e.g. Frontex, joint maritime patrols with some West African countries, etc.). Lossada identified lack of economic opportunity and good governance as key challenges and said Spain was trying to help address these problems. Lossada said Spain was trying to stem illegal immigration not only by improving the law enforcement response but by working with source countries on creating more opportunity at home, directing remittances towards productive economy activity, etc. Lossada noted Spain's recent contribution of two military transport aircraft and support personnel to the EU effort in Chad. Echoing what Leon had said, Lossada stressed that the Sahel was in effect a lateral highway into the Middle East.
20. (C) Keying off General Ward's remarks on the Africa Partnership Station, Lossada said he could see many avenues for cooperation in Africa. Lossada said he was certain the U.S. and Spain could find ways to mutually reinforce each other's work in Africa.
Secretary General for Defense Policy ------------------------------------
21. (C) Secretary General for Defense Policy Luis Cuesta commended the comprehensive approach of AFRICOM and said Spain likewise was trying to take a broad vision of the continent. Cuesta likened AFRICOM to a provincial reconstruction team for Africa. He noted the objectives of AFRICOM meshed well with Spain's own interests in counter-terrorism and fighting drug trafficking and illegal immigration. As did all General Ward's interlocutors, Cuesta stressed that Africa had become a priority for Spain. Cuesta said the objectives of AFRICOM were favorable to Spain's interests in the region. He noted the increased Spanish diplomatic presence and increased aid.
22. (C) Cuesta noted the rise in illegal immigration to Spain
from Africa and Spain's efforts to stem that, in part by increasing security engagement with West Africa (Frontex, Operation Noble Sentinel, joint patrols, etc.). Cuesta also pointed to Spain's efforts to support economic development in the source countries, including job training both to encourage people to stay home and to ensure those coming to Spain via legal channels had the skills they needed to succeed. Cuesta mentioned technical assistance and training to police in Niger and Mali. He said Spain had offered military training in 18 African countries and had eight bilateral agreements on defense and was negotiating another six. Cuesta also noted Spain's involvement in EU and UN operations in Africa (e.g., Chad, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, etc.). Cuesta mentioned Spain was leading an EU mission on security sector reform in Guinea Bissau. He noted Spain was offering training via its center for international demining.
23. (C) Cuesta said the Spanish view of AFRICOM would to a great extent be shaped by the views of the African countries with which Spain had close relations. He said Spanish observers in AFRICOM exercises and training evolutions would be a positive step. Cuesta suggested there might be an increase in operational tempo at Rota and Moron due to AFRICOM and assured General Ward that Spain was ready to support that in accordance with the bilateral Agreement on Defense Cooperation, although he noted it would be difficult for Spain to participate in or support direct action missions in Africa without some stamp of international legitimacy such as the consent of the country in question or a UNSCR.
24. (C) Cuesta said transparency would be a key element for success in terms of securing Spanish support for AFRICOM's activities. General Ward noted the Africa Partnership Station experience with Spain had been positive. He also mentioned involving Spain in Flintlock. General Ward said as AFRICOM becomes fully operational Spain should not expect changes except in the sense of more information and greater willingness to include Spain. General Ward said observers were welcomed but participants from Spain would be even better. He noted the Spanish who had participated in the Africa Partnership Station had contributed a great deal.
25. (C) Asked about what concerns he had heard expressed about AFRICOM, Cuesta said Spain had heard skepticism from the Sudanese and South Africans. Nevertheless, Cuesta said security force reform, security assistance, development aid, etc. was music to Spain's ears and that was why General Ward's visit was so important. Cuesta noted Africa was only 12 kilometers from Spain and said Spain had long watched the Maghreb closely but was now paying more attention to sub-Saharan Africa.
Spain Eager to Send Liaison Officer -----------------------------------
26. (C) Both General Sanz and Luis Cuesta expressed strong interest in sending a liaison officer to AFRICOM. Cuesta said he had mentioned this idea to the MOD (Note: As detailed in reftel, the MOD in turn mentioned the idea to Ambassador Aguirre during a June 10 breakfast. She also told the Ambassador Spanish public opinion would be critical in determining the level of GOS engagement with AFRICOM and said that while the GOS was interested in being a part of efforts in Africa, much work remained to be done. She asked that the USG coordinate closely with Spain on next steps. End note). General Ward explained he would be very open to the possibility of a Spanish military liaison officer at AFRICOM once the command was prepared to receive liaison officers.
Somali Pirates --------------
27. (C) Leon, Lossada, and Cuesta all stressed the problem of piracy off Somalia and cited the recent capture of a Spanish fishing vessel in April (and repeated that Spain was grateful for U.S. assistance in that instance). They indicated Spain was taking a serious look at a possible multinational response. Leon mentioned he had just returned from Washington where he had discussed the idea with the NATO SYG.
Leon hoped that with UNSCR 1816 it would be possible to organize an international response. Cuesta said Spain might be organizing a meeting for the defense and foreign ministries of the countries that had supported UNSCR 1816 to see what concrete action might be taken. Cuesta added that Spain might also try and work this issue via the EU. General Ward agreed piracy was a common threat. He noted the passage of the UNSCR 1816 had been a positive step. He acknowledge there could be opportunities for cooperative action but made clear that decisions regarding anti-piracy operations would be made on a political level. Press -----
28. (U) General Ward was interviewed by a journalist from leading Spanish daily El Pais and had the opportunity to make many of the same points he had made in his private meetings regarding the purpose of AFRICOM and its benefits to Spain and other countries with interests in the region. The article that resulted was straightforward, and we are sure will help demystify AFRICOM for many Spaniards.
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29. (C) General Ward's visit to Spain was a resounding success from our point of view. He was able to meet with senior Spanish officials and reassure them about the purpose and vision of AFRICOM. In each case, he encountered a very serious and thoughtful response as well as a clear disposition to work with AFRICOM. General Ward conveyed very effectively a genuine interest in Spain's views and a disposition to work cooperatively with our Spanish allies. We are convinced this visit and General Ward's deft handling of his Spanish interlocutors will pay enormous dividends down the road as we try to coordinate or even combine U.S. and Spanish efforts in Africa or if we ever decide to base some portion of AFRICOM in Spain. We are extremely grateful that General Ward committed so much time and effort here and look forward to a return visit at his earliest opportunity. AGUIRRE | |
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/04/2018 TAGS: PREL, MARR, AF, SP SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR JUNE 8-11 VISIT TO SPAIN OF COMMANDER, U.S. AFRICA COMMAND
Classified By: AMBASSADOR EDUARDO AGUIRRE, JR., REASONS 1.4(B),(D).
1. (SBU) Summary: We warmly welcome your visit. We are convinced there is much Spain can do to support the AFRICOM mission, so this will be a key opportunity. The challenge will be to engage them constructively on what the U.S. is trying to accomplish with this new and innovative command. We have a strong military to military relationship upon which to build and a number of common interests in Africa. Our Spanish interlocutors will be very interested in what you have to say, and we strongly encourage you to solicit their views on Africa, particularly the Maghreb and Sahel, where they have significant experience. End summary.
Military Cooperation --------------------
2. (C) Spanish military cooperation is important to the USG. The bases of Rota and Moron are strategic hubs, midway between the U.S. and Afghanistan and Iraq. U.S. planes and ships account for over 4,000 flights and 250 port calls a year in Spain. The Spanish military, particularly the Navy, is pro-U.S. and pro-NATO. The Navy employs the AEGIS system in its frigates, is eager to acquire Tomahawk, and is interested in the Joint Strike Fighter. Spanish defense industry is a supplier to the U.S. Although the Zapatero government has imposed a ceiling of 3,000 on troop deployments, Spain has troops in Lebanon (1,100), Afghanistan (750), Kosovo (500), Bosnia (260), and a smattering of others in various UN & EU observer missions (including the Democratic Republic of the Congo). This month Spain approved plans to send two cargo aircraft and 100 support personnel to the EU mission in Chad.
3. (C) Last August, we raised with the GOS the possibility of basing at Rota an AFRICOM component (the Joint Intelligence Operations Center). FM Moratinos later told the Ambassador that both President Zapatero and then-Defense Minister Alonso had said Spain would enthusiastically like to be considered for the project. Both Moratinos and Alonso thought this could be a great opportunity for increased bilateral cooperation in Africa, a region of great long-term importance to Spain and growing importance to the U.S. We also have been advised informally by OSD and JCS that Rota may be one of several locations under consideration for locating your headquarters. We think the Spanish will be receptive to whatever concrete proposal we make (although clearly hosting the headquarters presents more domestic political issues for Spain). The key will be making it clear AFRICOM wants to work closely with Spain and respects Spanish views on Africa, hence the importance of your visit. We should discuss carefully the timing and content of any requests we make to the Spanish in this regard.
4. (C) Our U.S. Navy colleagues have discussed with us the possibility of adding Tarragona and Las Palmas to the list of ports where we can take nuclear powered warships (presently the list is Cartagena, Palma de Mallorca, and Rota). We are very supportive of this effort, particularly in light of the potential benefit to AFRICOM of adding Las Palmas. However, the preliminary signals from the Spanish military have been that there will be resistance to this request at the political level. We need to proceed carefully. We will discuss this issue further with Admiral Fitzgerald during his June 4-6 visit and look forward to discussing it with you. Timing of the formal request will be critical.
Spanish Policy Towards Africa -----------------------------
5. (U) Because of history, proximity, immigration, terrorism, and the presence of Spanish enclaves in Ceuta and Melilla, North Africa is strategic for Spain. At the outset of his second term, President Zapatero said that in the Mediterranean, Spain would work to guarantee security, fight terrorism, and increase law enforcement cooperation. He reportedly recently tasked FM Moratinos with reinvigorating engagement with North Africa, particularly with regard to immigration and security cooperation. The Ministers of Interior of Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Malta, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, and Tunisia agreed May 22 to strengthen counter-terrorism information exchange.
6. (C) In the case of Western Sahara, there are press reports indicating Zapatero plans to intensify efforts to promote a political solution. It is not yet clear how Spain proposes to do this. Spanish diplomats have told us Spain's primary concern is for regional stability through a negotiated
solution that leads to a just, lasting outcome. While they note an independent Western Sahara is not a realistic option, they are concerned that excessive pressure on the Polisario to accept Morocco's proposals for some form of autonomy under Moroccan sovereignty will lead to a total breakdown in the process.
7. (U) Sub-Saharan Africa has not traditionally been a Spanish priority, but that may be changing. In 2006 Spain launched Plan Africa (2006-2008) which provided for increased diplomatic and development assistance with sub-Saharan Africa. Zapatero, who promised at the beginning of his second term to make sub-Saharan Africa a top priority, has reportedly approved a new version for 2008-2012. Nigeria (which supplies 25% of Spain's oil) and South Africa are likely to be priorities within sub-Saharan Africa. Spain has been increasing its diplomatic presence with new embassies (Sudan, Mali, and Guinea Bissau are the latest) and new development offices (Niger, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Kenya). There are reportedly plans afoot to open several more development offices. The Spanish equivalent of USAID has a budget of about 700 million euros for Africa. Spain also maintains political and economic interests in its former colony of Equatorial Guinea.
8. (C) You may hear about the April 20-26 incident in which a Spanish fishing vessel (the "Playa de Bakio") was taken by Somali pirates. In their May 19 meeting FM Moratinos thanked Secretary Rice for the intelligence and military support the U.S. provided during the incident. Moratinos stressed continued Spanish concern with pirates off Somalia given that Spain has dozens of vessels in the area and no way to protect them. He noted that Spain strongly supported U.S. efforts to get an anti-piracy resolution adopted in the UNSC. Testifying before the Spanish Congress May 22, Moratinos said Spain would be willing to take its turn leading an anti-piracy force off Somalia if there was UN backing for the mission (he ducked questions about whether Spain had paid a ransom to free the Playa de Bakio crew).
Counter-Terrorism, Narcotics, and Illegal Immigration --------------------------------------------- --------
9. (C) Spain is an al-Qaeda target and a critical player in U.S.-EU counter-terrorism efforts due to its proximity to the Maghreb and a population that includes more than one million Muslims, mostly immigrants. Al-Qaeda has called for attacks to recapture the medieval "Al Andalus." Ceuta and Melilla are a fixation for some extremists. In 2004 Madrid suffered bloody train bombings perpetrated by Islamic extremists. The Spanish Government considers the threat from Islamic terrorism to be one of its top national security priorities and has identified numerous Islamic extremist groups operating within its borders. The Spanish are actively pursuing Islamic extremism terrorism-related investigations and have scores of suspects in jail. Public opinion polling shows nearly three quarters of Spaniards worried about the threat of Islamic fundamentalism, more than in the U.S. or Europe as a whole.
10. (C) Bilateral cooperation is strong. Spain pursues an aggressive agenda in law enforcement, judicial, and information-sharing efforts with us. One example is the HSPD-6 agreement we signed in 2007 to facilitate the sharing of information between our national counter-terrorism authorities. Spain participates in the Container Security Initiative (in the ports of Algeciras, Barcelona, and Valencia) and the Megaports Initiative to detect radioactive cargo (in the port of Algeciras with anticipated expansion to Barcelona and Valencia in the upcoming year). Spain also participates in the Proliferation Security Initiative. Stovepipes within the Spanish system and interagency rivalries are a continuing challenge both for them and us. In addition to the threat from Islamic extremists, Spain has been fighting the domestic terrorists of the Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) for four decades.
11. (C) The Spanish Government ranks drug trafficking as one of its most important law enforcement concerns and maintains excellent relations with U.S. law enforcement. Spain remains the principal entry, transshipment, and consumption zone for the large quantities of South American cocaine and Moroccan cannabis destined for European consumer markets, and is also a major source and transit location for drug proceeds returning to South and Central America. There is mounting evidence that West Africa is beginning to play an increasingly important role in this trafficking. Spain also faces a sustained flow of hashish from its southern
neighbors, Morocco and Algeria, which makes maritime smuggling across the Mediterranean a large-scale business. Seizures of multi-ton loads of Moroccan hashish are not uncommon, some of it brought into Spain by illegal immigrants. Spanish authorities cooperate closely with the DEA Madrid Country Office. In May 2007, Spain hosted the International Drug Enforcement Conference (IDEC) in Madrid, the first time IDEC had been held outside of the Western Hemisphere. Also in 2007, Spain and six other EU countries deepened their counter-narcotics cooperation by signing an international agreement creating the Maritime Analysis and Operations Center (MAOC), headquartered in Lisbon.
12. (C) The premier Spanish law enforcement agencies are the National Police and the Civil Guard, both of which fall under the Ministry of Interior. Their jurisdictions overlap to a significant degree, although historically the Civil Guard has a stronger presence in rural areas and small towns. Both agencies have investigative jurisdiction over all types of crimes including alien smuggling, human trafficking, terrorism and terrorist financing, and narcotics. The National Police also have jurisdiction over documentation for nationals and foreigners (passports, residence cards, and national identity documents). The Civil Guard's authorities include contraband and customs control. The Spanish Customs Service, under the Ministry of the Treasury, also carries a mandate to enforce anti-drug legislation at Spain's borders and in Spanish waters. Spain's Organized Crime Intelligence Center (CICO) coordinates (with varying degrees of success) counter-narcotics operations among various government agencies, including the National Police, Civil Guard, and Customs Service. Although it does not have a domestic law enforcement function, the Spanish Navy acts on the high seas and also has assets operating in coastal waters. Protecting Spain from threats such as terrorism, narcotics trafficking, and alien smuggling requires joint and multi-agency action, and it is strongly in the U.S. interest to deepen cooperation with both MOD and MOI on maritime threats.
13. (U) Historically Spain received few immigrants, but the rapidly increasing prosperity of recent decades has changed that. Immigrants now account for about ten percent of the population. There are over three million registered immigrants, many from Latin America and Romania. However, the single largest nationality is Moroccan (about 600,000). There is also a significant Pakistani community. The number of sub-Saharan African immigrants in Spain is only about two percent of the total. In general, Spain has been welcoming to immigrants, but a souring economy may change that. Spain is also awakening to the danger illegal immigration represents in terms of terrorism and organized crime. Reports of illegal immigrants arriving from Africa via mother ships receive significant press play as do frequent arrivals of boatloads of illegal immigrants in the Canaries. The Civil Guard has responsibility for policing as well as social and humanitarian functions with respect to illegal immigration. Of the three routes for illegal immigration (air, land, and maritime), the maritime flow has expanded most significantly with the appearance of small boats (pateras or cayucos). During the Summer of 2006 these small boats carried over 30,000 illegal immigrants to the Canaries. The Civil Guard manages a coordination and communications center in Las Palmas. From this center, Spanish and EU air and sea operations are directed against maritime alien smuggling. The center's objectives are deterrence, interdiction, and rescue. The center has brought about a significant reduction in illegal immigration to the Canary Islands. Members of the National Police and Civil Guard are also deployed in Africa (Morocco, Cape Verde, Senegal, and Mauritania) in Project Sea Horse. This includes liaison, equipment, and training. Numerous other projects are underway to work in concert with other countries to stem the flow of illegal immigration (e.g., joint projects with Morocco related to Ceuta and Melilla, FRONTEX, and the Euro-Africa Conference).
Political and Economic Climate ------------------------------
14. (C) President Zapatero's center left Spanish Socialist Workers, Party (PSOE) was the victor in the March 9 general election. The principal opposition party remains the center right Popular Party (PP). The Spanish public is skeptical of U.S. foreign policy but supportive of good bilateral relations. Spain has enjoyed one of the fastest growing economies in Europe, but growth is slowing significantly. A housing boom that had contributed greatly to growth for several years ended abruptly last year and prices are
stagnating, construction slowing, and unemployment and inflation rising. The rapid increase in unemployment may make Spain a somewhat less welcoming destination for African immigrants. U.S. investment has long been important to the economy (more so than bilateral trade), but the tables have turned. In 2007, Spain was the fourth largest foreign investor in the U.S., with particular emphasis in banking, construction, and renewable energy.
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15. (C) Again, we are looking forward to your visit. We are firmly convinced AFRICOM's mission and Spain's strategic interests coincide in many important respects and that there is much the U.S. and Spain can do together. Aguirre | |
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/25/2020 TAGS: PREL, SP SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR SOLOMONT'S JANUARY 22, 2010 MEETING WITH SPANISH PRESIDENT ZAPATERO
Classified By: Ambassador Alan D. Solomont, Reasons 1.4(b),(d).
1. (C) Summary: In a wide-ranging two-hour meeting with the Ambassador January 22, President Zapatero praised USG humanitarian efforts in Haiti, reiterated his personal commitment to resettle as soon as possible five detainees from Guantanamo, pledged Spanish support on Iran and Afghanistan, and endorsed the Ambassador,s efforts to promote job creation both in the U.S. and Spain through enhanced economic ties and investment. Zapatero told the Ambassador that his government considered him special and would open "all doors" to him. He pledged to work towards concrete deliverables leading to a U.S.-EU Summit and said Spain was open to an expanded USG presence at the Rota Naval Base for Africom objectives. Zapatero made a strong case for Spain,s ongoing participation in the G-20, noting that he appreciated D/NSA Froman,s openness to Spain,s possible participation if the EU reduces its institutional membership. Zapatero expressed sincere admiration for President Obama and his belief that the President's election had transformed the U.S. standing and image in the world. He also evinced a deep fascination with the U.S. political system and recent electoral developments, noting his life-long obsession with politics. End Summary.
Bilateral Relations -------------------
2. (C) The Ambassador thanked Zapatero for receiving him so quickly after his arrival in Spain, and for the warm welcome by his cabinet, in particular NSA Leon, Foreign Minister Moratinos, and Interior Minister Rubalcaba. The Ambassador said President Obama, NSA Jones, and the USG appreciated Spain,s expressed desire to work closely and collaboratively with the United States. He welcomed Zapatero,s upcoming visit to Washington to participate in the forthcoming National the Prayer Breakfast as well as King Juan Carlos, mid-February visit to the White House. Despite the negative press Zapatero had received for attending a "religious" event, the Ambassador noted the close connection between religious and political values in promoting the cause of justice, compassion and service to a cause greater than ourselves.
3. (C) The Ambassador said his priorities are to strengthen the GOS-USG partnership; explain USG policies to the Spanish public, particularly on our mutual interests in Afghanistan; and to promote job creation through enhanced investment and economic activity, both in the U.S. and in Spain. He thanked President Zapatero for publicly praising USG humanitarian efforts in Haiti, which are an important expression of American values. Zapatero said not only he but the European Parliament and the whole world recognized that the U.S. is doing an exemplary job in Haiti. He lauded the U.S. military forces, and thanked the Ambassador for his condolences for Spanish casualties in Haiti. The Ambassador also welcomed ongoing law enforcement and counter-terrorism cooperation with Spain and thanked Zapatero for the warm reception DHS Secretary Napolitano had received during her three visits to Spain over the past year.
Guantanamo ----------
4. (C) In view of the mixed signals and confusing messages from Interior Minister Rubalcaba and other GOS senior officials, the Ambassador said he wanted to express clearly and concisely the importance of Spain following through on its commitment to take five detainees at Guantanamo. He welcomed Leon,s clarification that Spain would act quickly, including taking the detainee from Yemen which it had agreed to. Zapatero reiterated his personal commitment. The Ambassador stressed the need for the GOS to follow through and to be consistent in its public messages. Zapatero acknowledged that Spain's desire to be helpful on Guantanamo was in response to its desire to have the USG close the facility, and said he would talk to Minister Rubalcaba to ensure the government was speaking with one voice on this important matter.
Iran ----
5. (C) On Iran, the Ambassador said we appreciated Foreign
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Minister Moratinos, public comments about the importance of sanctions as a diplomatic tool. He briefed on U/S Burns recent meetings with EU Foreign Ministers to lay the ground for a UNSC resolution. While we were not closing the door to dialogue, Iran had not been responsive and the international community must stand together in bringing pressure to bear on Iran. Spain,s leadership in the EU is very important on these key foreign policy challenges.
Economy and Climate Change --------------------------
6. (C) On the economic front, the Ambassador noted the great potential for investments in alternative energy, infrastructure, and banking both in the U.S. and Spain. Spanish companies had benefited from their investments in the United States, receiving significant USG support and tax credits. U.S. companies similarly wanted to compete on a level playing field in Spain, with two companies in particular poised to make hundreds of millions of dollars in renewable energy investments in Spain. Ambassador noted his and Senator Menendez,s plans to reinvigorate the US-Spain Forum, which is an important vehicle for enhancing economic and investment opportunities. He also emphasized our desire to work closely with Spain on climate change, and noted his conversation with Teresa Ribera, Spain,s point person on climate change, and her efforts to achieve Latin American support for a global comprehensive climate change agreement. Zapatero said he was pleased to learn of the Ambassador,s keen interest and direct involvement in promoting enhanced economic ties. He said we needed a model of cooperation to spur investment in both directions, and noted that he had proposed to the White House the establishment of a high level Forum for Trade and Investment to help U.S. and Spanish businesses. The Ambassador noted that there were already a number of vehicles for achieving progress on this front, including the US.-Spain Foundation chaired by Senator Bob Menendez.
U.S.-EU Summit --------------
7. (C) Regarding Spain,s desire for a U.S-EU summit during its EU Presidency, the Ambassador said the matter was under consideration at the highest levels of the U.S. government, but that no commitment had been made. We are hoping for a specific response soon. While it is a White House call, what matters most is coming up with deliverables to ensure the meeting was substantive rather than symbolic. He noted that a prospective E.U.-U.S agreement on data protection and information-sharing would be of great interest to Washington. Zapatero reiterated on several occasions the importance of having a Summit in Madrid, noting that Spain and the U.S. have many common interests and that there are many ways Spain can exert its leadership and influence in the world. He mentioned Latin America, North Africa, and Turkey's accession to the EU as key areas of cooperation. He said he appreciated the U.S. expectation for Summit deliverables, recalling that President Obama during one of their first encounters had observed the cumbersome process of the many U.S.-European organizational architectures. Zapatero agreed that while regular meetings among U.S. and European leaders were important, concrete results needed to emerge from such meetings. He added that NSA Leon was working closely with the NSC on a Summit menu we could find attractive.
8. (C) Zapatero said that he was pleased to finally have the Ambassador in Madrid and promised that the Spanish government would ensure he had a successful tenure. "All doors are open to you. I have told my team that the U.S. Ambassador to Spain and personal representative of President Obama is not just another Ambassador but rather someone special," he said. "We want to reinforce our excellent relationship with the United States and for you to know that my government is one you can count on and trust."
9. (C) On the Middle East, Zapatero said Spain appreciated the imperative of bucking up the Palestinian Authority leadership and getting them back to the negotiating table, notwithstanding Israeli,s unhelpful actions on settlements. The Ambassador briefed on Special Envoy Mitchell,s diplomatic endeavors, in particular his efforts to get the Palestinians to return to the bargaining table. Although critical of Israel's settlements policy, Zapatero noted that
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if any Israeli leader could forge a peace agreement with the Palestinians, it was PM Netanyahu, who had little incentive for returning to power other than achieving a lasting, sustainable peace agreement.
10. (C) Zapatero said he was pleased the U.S., as the world,s leading power, wanted to nurture and strengthen its alliance with Europe. The West would do well to bear in mind our long term strategic mutual interests in dealing with emerging powers such as China and India. Zapatero expressed particular anxiety regarding China, underscoring that it was a huge player and the West should be watchful of its growing influence on the world stage. He hoped the U.S. appreciated Europe's importance. The Ambassador reassured Zapatero the U.S. fully appreciated the importance of Europe as our partner.
11. (C) Zapatero praised President Obama,s leadership and influence throughout the world. The Ambassador agreed that President Obama had positively influenced America,s standing in the eyes of the world. He said the U.S. looks first to a strong, united Europe for assistance, and sees Spain as an essential partner. Europe is the most reliable partner for the United States, which cannot solve the world,s problems alone. As President Obama said, now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.
Afghanistan -----------
12. (C) Zapatero reiterated that Spain would continue its responsibilities in Afghanistan. He lamented that it has not been easy convincing Spanish public opinion about the objectives in Afghanistan, and welcomed the Ambassador,s assistance.
Africom -------
14. (C) In response to the Ambassador,s gratitude for use of Spanish military bases, Zapatero acknowledged the strategic importance of the Rota Naval base, querying if the USG remained interested in basing Africom or one of its components there. Zapatero noted Spain,s continuing concerns about Al Qaeda in the Lands of the Maghreb (AQIM). Ambassador undertook to get a status report, underscoring the importance of the African continent. Zapatero thanked the USG for its intelligence support in Mauritania and Mali with a view to getting Spanish hostages released from AQIM.
G-20 ----
15. (C) Zapatero emphasized Spain,s overriding goal to continue its participation in G-20 meetings. The Ambassador relayed D/NSA Froman,s consideration in principle to accept Spain as the fifth European country if the EU reduces its institutional membership from two to one. He cautioned that this must be done in the context of what the EU is willing to accept and with the understanding that we do not want to open up G-20 membership. The Ambassador said that Froman believes that Spain understands that it cannot be a formal member of the G-20 but might be allowed to be a permanent participant, if the EU agrees. Froman also noted that it was important for Spain to have an effective G-20 Sherpa. Zapatero said he appreciated Froman,s openness to Spain,s participation.
Domestic Politics -----------------
16. (C) Discussion then turned to Spanish and American domestic politics. Zapatero spent considerable time querying the Ambassador on the U.S. political system, including the January 19 Massachusetts senatorial election outcome. The Ambassador described the body politic's mandate for change and the public's impatience. In the U.S. as everywhere the political imperative of addressing everyday struggles people have, with respect to jobs, was paramount. Zapatero agreed, describing himself as a passionate, life-long student of politics who continued to be impressed and fascinated by the American political scene. SOLOMONT
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- Mastercard bloque Julian Assange, le web bloque Mastercard.com
Les décisions de blocages prises par de multiples organismes bancaires à l’encontre de Julian Assange, fondateur de Wikileaks, ne sont pas restées sans effet.
Après plusieurs appels sur Twitter, le site de Mastercard.com est totalement inaccessible. « Le serveur à l'adresse www.mastercard.com met trop de temps à répondre » indique une erreur de délai d’attente dépassé lorsqu’on tente de se rendre sur le site. Le site subit ainsi le même sort que la banque postale suisse qui a fait l’objet d’une attaque par déni de service. Ce genre d’attaques vise à saturer un site en le noyant sous un grand nombre de requêtes. Incapable de répondre aux requêtes légitimes, le serveur renvoie alors un message d’erreur similaire à celui constaté sur Mastercard.com.
L’opération Payback vise à arroser l’arroseur, ou plutôt bloquer le bloqueur. Ultime réaction d’individus qui accordent leurs clics contre les claques assénées contre Julian Assange. Arrêté en Angleterre pour une histoire de rapports sexuels non protégés, après un mandat européen adressé par la Suède, l’intéressé risque d’être extradé à terme vers les États-Unis sur fond de Spy Act.
Pour suivre les différents soubresauts de l’opération Payback, on consultera ce compte Anon_Operation ou la requête #DDOS sous Twitter.
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 13:13 | |
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- Armes russes pour Caracas: Washington a fait pression sur Moscou (WikiLeaks)
Les livraisons d'armes russes au Venezuela ont toujours irrité les autorités américaines qui ont souvent tenté d'exercer des pressions sur Moscou, rapporte le quotidien El Pais, citant des documents dévoilés par WikiLeaks. Selon le journal, la livraison de 100 missiles antiaériens russes Igla (code OTAN: Grouse) a suscité de vives préoccupations de la part de Washington. Cette arme capable d'abattre les hélicoptères et les avions volant à faible altitude a été acquise par Caracas après que le contrat prévoyant l'achat de missiles suédois SAAB eut échoué en raison de la pression des Etats-Unis. Les câbles diplomatiques américains mis en ligne sur le site WikiLeaks attestent que Washington redoutait de voir les missiles sol-air russes tomber entre les mains des Forces armées révolutionnaires de Colombie (FARC), groupe gauchiste inscrit par les Etats-Unis et l'UE sur la liste des organisations terroristes. Lors de la visite à Moscou du président Barack Obama en juin dernier, la livraison des Igla a été évoquée au plus haut niveau, rappelle El Pais, précisant que la Russie a alors déclaré avoir vendu au Venezuela 100 missiles de ce type et 90 rampes de lancement. Comprenant que rien ne pouvait plus être modifié, les Américains ont demandé de ne pas livrer de systèmes portables, mais des modèles conçus pour être installés sur des véhicules. Moscou a répondu par la négative, car Hugo Chavez a insisté sur la livraison de systèmes portables et individuels, affirme une dépêche diplomatique américaine dévoilée par WikiLeaks. La Russie a pour sa part garanti que ces systèmes ne tomberaient en aucune circonstance entre les mains des terroristes. Un autre câble secret indique qu'un ordinateur portable saisi par les services spéciaux colombiens lors d'une opération contre le chef des FARC, Raul Reyes, contenait des informations attestant que des militaires vénézuéliens étaient prêts à livrer des Igla aux rebelles colombiens. Après que les Etats-Unis et l'UE eurent décrété l'interdiction de la vente d'armes au Venezuela, la Russie et la Chine sont restées les seuls fournisseurs de ce pays.
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Ven 10 Déc 2010 - 16:58 | |
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- Armes russes pour Caracas: Washington a fait pression sur Moscou (WikiLeaks)
Les livraisons d'armes russes au Venezuela ont toujours irrité les autorités américaines qui ont souvent tenté d'exercer des pressions sur Moscou, rapporte le quotidien El Pais, citant des documents dévoilés par WikiLeaks. Selon le journal, la livraison de 100 missiles antiaériens russes Igla (code OTAN: Grouse) a suscité de vives préoccupations de la part de Washington. Cette arme capable d'abattre les hélicoptères et les avions volant à faible altitude a été acquise par Caracas après que le contrat prévoyant l'achat de missiles suédois SAAB eut échoué en raison de la pression des Etats-Unis. Les câbles diplomatiques américains mis en ligne sur le site WikiLeaks attestent que Washington redoutait de voir les missiles sol-air russes tomber entre les mains des Forces armées révolutionnaires de Colombie (FARC), groupe gauchiste inscrit par les Etats-Unis et l'UE sur la liste des organisations terroristes. Lors de la visite à Moscou du président Barack Obama en juin dernier, la livraison des Igla a été évoquée au plus haut niveau, rappelle El Pais, précisant que la Russie a alors déclaré avoir vendu au Venezuela 100 missiles de ce type et 90 rampes de lancement. Comprenant que rien ne pouvait plus être modifié, les Américains ont demandé de ne pas livrer de systèmes portables, mais des modèles conçus pour être installés sur des véhicules. Moscou a répondu par la négative, car Hugo Chavez a insisté sur la livraison de systèmes portables et individuels, affirme une dépêche diplomatique américaine dévoilée par WikiLeaks. La Russie a pour sa part garanti que ces systèmes ne tomberaient en aucune circonstance entre les mains des terroristes. Un autre câble secret indique qu'un ordinateur portable saisi par les services spéciaux colombiens lors d'une opération contre le chef des FARC, Raul Reyes, contenait des informations attestant que des militaires vénézuéliens étaient prêts à livrer des Igla aux rebelles colombiens. Après que les Etats-Unis et l'UE eurent décrété l'interdiction de la vente d'armes au Venezuela, la Russie et la Chine sont restées les seuls fournisseurs de ce pays.
RIA Novosti Merci pour l'information. Et dire que pas plus tard que ce matin, je parlais de l'ingérence des états-unis et de l'occident en générale à mes élèves! lol _________________ Ces gifs animés proviennent du mangas "Les chevaliers du zodiaques: the lost canvas". | |
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Sam 11 Déc 2010 - 10:37 | |
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| | | Leo Africanus General de división (FFAA)
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Sam 11 Déc 2010 - 23:10 | |
| Ouvrez bien vos yeux et lisez comment El Pais commence l'analyse de ce cable: - Citation :
- El rey de Marruecos, Mohamed VI, interviene en los procesos electorales, a veces incluso bruscamente (un aspirante a alcalde acabó en coma) con un objetivo: frenar a los islamistas que gozan de un estatuto legal.
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- Le roi du Maroc, Mohamed VI, intervient dans les processus électoraux, parfois même brusquement -un candidat à maire finit dans le coma- avec un objectif: freiner les islamistes même si leur formation est légale.
Article en francais: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Mohamed/VI/intervient/rudement/politique/pour/contrer/les/islamistes/elpepuint/20101211elpepuint_34/Tes Je sais qu'il y a des gens qui ont vu M6 s'arreter sur le feu rouge mais quelqu'un l'a vu t-il la mattraque a la main entrain d'intervenir dans les elections a derb simbriru? - Citation :
- ID: 216679
Date: 2009-07-15 10:38:00 Origin: 09RABAT607 Source: Embassy Rabat Classification: SECRET Dunno: 09RABAT517 Destination: VZCZCXYZ0001 PP RUEHWEB
DE RUEHRB #0607/01 1961038 ZNY SSSSS ZZH P 151038Z JUL 09 FM AMEMBASSY RABAT TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 0419 INFO RUCNMGH/MAGHREB COLLECTIVE
S E C R E T RABAT 000607
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STATE FOR NEA/MAG AND DRL/NESCA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/15/2019 TAGS: PHUM, PGOV, PINS, KDEM, MO SUBJECT: MOROCCO'S MANAGED MAYORAL ELECTIONS MAY STRENGTHEN PJD
REF: RABAT 0517
Classified By: Charge d'Affaires, a.i., Robert P. Jackson for reasons 1 .4 (b) and (d).
------- Summary -------
1. (C) Despite the relative transparency of the recent election of town (or communal) council members across Morocco on June 12, the subsequent election by council members of city and communal council leaders (mayors), may represent a step backward for Moroccan democracy. The high-stakes indirect balloting for mayors has traditionally been a forum for vote buying and pressure. This year, not content with its already impressive and fair electoral performance, the Party of Authenticity and Modernity (PAM) of Fouad Ali El Himma reportedly used extra-political pressure tactics, including invoking the name of King Mohammed VI, to pressure other parties into entering pro-PAM mayoral coalitions and withdrawing from alliances with the Islamist-oriented Party of Justice and Development (PJD). This resulted was non-PJD led coalitions in Casablanca, Tangier (PAM-led), and Sale. Most troubling, the Palace appears to have intervened in several places to keep the PJD from controlling Morocco's major cities, while allowing them to run second-tier cites, such as Kenitra and Tetouan. Palace interference was most blatant in the city of Oujda. There, the Ministry of Interior-appointed local governor blocked a vote that would have produced a PJD-led coalition on June 25, allowing the centrist parties time to pressure coalition allies. National police and intelligence officials reportedly intimidated PJD coalition supporters and beat a local PJD leader into a coma. A former Minister, a French government contact and other sources confirmed Palace complicity in the pro-PAM/anti-PJD effort. The PAM has sullied its reputation as a reformist party and bolstered criticism that it is an instrument of the Palace. The picture as usual is mixed, and palace intervention appears more anti-PJD than pro-PAM. In Laayoune in the Western Sahara, the PAM suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of Istiqlal's Ould er Rachid machine. In total, these machinations may further erode public support for Morocco,s fledgling democratic processes and increase sympathy for the PJD. End Summary.
--------------------- PAM: The Palace Party ---------------------
2. (SBU) For over two weeks, Morocco has witnessed widespread media coverage of political party irregularities, corruption and government interference in the recent city leadership election races. In contrast with the public June 12 elections for communal councils, which saw Moroccans electing town council members in a relatively transparent manner (Ref A), the roughly week-long process for selecting mayors (in large cities) and communal council presidents (in small cities and rural areas) has been characterized by multiple reports of irregularities. Because mayors are selected indirectly from the pool of recently elected communal council members, which come from a myriad of over 30 political parties (six of which dominate Moroccan politics), the process comes down to intense negotiations (with various incentives and disincentives) to establish majority coalitions in each city. The ranking member of the leading party in these coalitions typically becomes the mayor or chief executive. See Paragraph 9 for new mayoral selection results.
3. (C) Several days into this negotiation process, leaders of the self-described Koran-referent PJD began to complain that the PAM had been using extra normal pressure tactics, i.e., outside of the normal petty bribery often associated with the process, to enlist other parties and their members to support PAM-led coalitions and desert PJD-led coalitions in key cities. D/PolCouns attended a political debate on June 29 among party leaders at which PJD leader Benkirane roundly criticized the PAM for using the extra-normal pressure tactic of invoking King Mohammed VI's name to underscore His Majesty's alleged preference for other parties to join PAM-led coalitions and to thwart PJD-led coalitions in cities like Casablanca, Tangier, and Oujda. Because PAM party founder, Fouad Ali El Himma is widely known as "a friend of the King" and the PAM's success has largely hinged on the perception that he "has the monarch,s ear," Benkirane's accusations received thunderous applause from the crowd, even as the local PAM representative deflected the accusations as "sour grapes."
4. XXXXXXXXXXXXX, confirmed Benkirane's accusations. In addition, XXXXXXXXXXXXX said that the PAM also employed malicious and untruthful smear campaigns against individual PJD members, calling some drug dealers, terrorists, and criminals and getting guidance from the security services. This focused on Morocco's largest cities, as the PJD did win elsewhere. "If you look at all of the cities where PJD was permitted to win mayoral slots, e.g., Tetouan, Chefchaouen, Kenitra and Larache, they all have several points in common: they are relatively small, poor, and lacking central government investment," XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
5. (C) A French Embassy source (strictly protect) confided to D/PolCouns July 9 that his contacts in the Moroccan leadership report that King Mohammed VI had indeed ordered that the PJD not be allowed to assume mayoral positions in several Moroccan cities like Tangier and Oujda. PAM's taking the top job in Tangier seems particularly suspicious. With the PJD tying the Rally of National Independents Party (RNI) for the plurality of votes there, the two parties initially formed a coalition with RNI taking the mayor,s slot in exchange for a PJD taking the Vice mayor,s position. However, the coalition dissolved just before it was to be finalized with RNI representatives claiming enigmatically to reporters that "they came under extraordinary pressure" to withdraw from the coalition, without further elaboration. This coalition was replaced with a PAM-led coalition, despite the fact that PAM finished fourth in Tangier.
--------------------------------------------- ------- Oujda Mayor,s Race Marred by Government Intervention --------------------------------------------- -------
6. (C) MOI complicity in supporting PAM, or at least blocking the PJD from securing the mayor,s position in major Moroccan cities, however, appeared most blatant in the city of Oujda where PJD won a plurality of council seats. In the council chambers, MOI officials prevented a PJD-led coalition with members of the Popular Movement Party (MP) and other parties on June 25, declaring an insufficient quorum. In the ensuing days, 13 local council members allied with the PJD, including all six communal council members from the MP, reported harassment from the Renseignements Generaux (RG), i.e., an internal intelligence branch of the National Police, to withdraw their support from a PJD-led coalition. On July 27, one of the MP communal councilors supporting the PJD-led coalition, Fadwa Manouni, posted on YouTube a scathing commentary on the security force,s intimidation tactics, which included lengthy questioning by local police and attempted blackmail by the RG of the 13 communal council members supporting the PJD-led coalition. MP councilors said that party chief Mohand Laenser originally approved the coalition; then only after the PJD mayoralty was blocked, changed his position. Subsequently, Manouni and the five other MP communal council members that had continued to support the PJD were expelled from the MP on July 9. She then reportedly dropped out of sight. On July 11, Manoumi recanted her YouTube speech in another web posting, but has not appeared in public.
7. (SBU) PJD, MP, and other elected council members protested the government's intervention on July 3. Police were called in to break up the protests, according to the press. During an ensuing melee, PJD leader Noureddine Benbakr, who would have been Mayor if the PJD-led coalition had been permitted to stand, suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and fell into a coma as a result of a blow to his head by security personnel. Other elected council members suffered less serious injuries, were detained, and later released. Later that day, a PAM-supported Party Istiqlal (PI)-led coalition secured the mayoral post for the brother of Transport Minister Hejira. PJD parliamentary leader Mustapha Ramid, who had come to support local PJD members in Oujda, was blocked from entering the Oujda municipal center, according to the press reports.
8. (C) A Parliamentary staffer and former MP member confirmed to D/PolCouns on July 13, that the six MP council members in Oujda had come under "intense pressure" from local security authorities and PAM members, through threats and intimidation, to withdraw their support from coalition with the PJD. He said these threats bore the moniker of the Palace, adding, "they (the MP members) were put in a terrible position." He also confirmed that he had heard from his political contacts that the Palace was taking all necessary measures to prevent the PJD from securing the leadership of
any of Morocco,s major cities. He went on to say that he knew of communal council members that came under the same combination of pressure tactics from PAM and government security authorities in the cities of Sale and even Rabat. The media reported that a move to select PJD parliamentary leader Lahcen Daoudi as Mayor of Rabat subsequently collapsed under rumors of government pressure, but the PJD stayed in the coalition to support socialist USFP member and former Finance Minister Oulalalu.
9. (U) Mayors and Their Coalitions follow:
City Mayor Party Coalition ---- ----- ----- --------- Meknes Ahmed Hilal PAM RNI, UC Marrakesh TBD PAM PI, RNI, MP, UC Tangier Samir Abdelmoula PAM RNI, MP Fes Abdelhamid Chabat PI RNI, FFD Oujda Omar Hejira PI PAM, MP Laayoune Hamdi Ould er Rachid PI PI majority Chefchaouen Mohamed Soufiani PJD USFP Tetouan Mohamed Ida Ammar PJD USFP Sale Noureddine Lazrak RNI PI, FFD Agadir Tarik Kabbage USFP PJD, PT Rabat Fathallah Oualalou USFP PJD, PI, RNI, and PPS
Key: Constitutional Union UC Democratic Forces Front FFD Istiqlal Party PI Party of Authenticity and Modernity PAM Party of Justice and Development PJD Popular Movement Party MP Progressive Socialist Party PPS Rally of National Independents RNI Union of Socialist Forces Party USFP Workers Party PT
------------------------------------ Normal Irregularities Are Bad Enough ------------------------------------
10. (C) Even without the extraordinary events described above, the process of selecting city leaders has always been one of the most opaque and corrupt aspects of Morocco's communal elections process. XXXXXXXXXXXXX, the mayoral selection process is heavily influenced through the giving and taking of bribes. She said that while this election was no exception to the rule, increased government scrutiny over government-provided campaign funds had given increased incentive to parties to recruit wealthy individuals into parties to contribute to parties' "slush funds." Tronnes pointed to political "kidnapping," of council members to resort hotels (with their families) for the duration of the selection negotiations, rewards the councilors and denies competitors the opportunity to make counter offers so that, "once a candidate is bought, they stay bought."
11. (C) Former Minister of Human Rights Mohamed Aujjar told Charge that the GOM,s heavy-handed tactics may have backfired and increased support for the PJD. The former Minister also noted that the RNI split with the PAM has certainly deepened. He felt the only positive development from this exercise was the possible entry of the MP and the UC into the Istiqlal-led coalition. Aujjar believed that a looming cabinet reshuffle will be limited in scope, with the PAM remaining in opposition but voting with the Government on most issues.
12. (U) On July 13 and 14, the Ministry of Interior and the PAM, respectively,separately refuted any inappropriate and anti-democratic tactics.
------- Comment -------
13. (C) As usual in Moroccan politics, this is a mixed bag with an unclear bottom line that points to both ongoing evolution and continued monarchical autocracy. Despite the relative transparency and success of the local communal elections on June 12 (Ref A), the subsequent elections of mayors appears to represent at least a partial step backward for Moroccan democracy. For the PAM, despite having secured a plurality of council seats nationwide, elected hundreds of young reformers new to politics, and won leadership of some
major cities, it has tarnished its effort to paint itself as a standard bearer of democratization. The combination of the PAM,s extra-normal pressure tactics and its joint efforts with security officials to block PJD city leadership has largely confirmed previous criticism that it is an instrument of the Palace. But it too suffered several setbacks, as in Western Sahara. While probably still destined for victory in 2012, it will be subject to greater scrutiny.
14. (C) PAM success has been blunted a bit by a large number of legal challenges, at least two of which it has already lost, including its new star, the young women mayor it had gotten elected in Marrakesh, who has been ordered to face a rerun of the election in her district (septel). PAM officials indicate they will be fighting these challenges in court and appealing decisions that have gone against them.
15. (S) One uncertainty in this is the role of the King. He was in the north through much of the unfortunate events in Oujda. Unconfirmed accounts have indicated that it was at his personal order that the PJD was kept out of the large cities. One source claimed that the King was pouring a lot of the government's money into the previously neglected north and particularly into the Oujda region, on Algeria's border, in order to prepare regional infrastructure for a potential reopening. The source said the King did not want the PJD to be able to claim credit for this largesse and the development
it would promote.
16. (C) For the PJD, it may have been kept out of running major cities, both by normal hardball politics and, at least in Oujda by apparently blatant intervention by security and domestic intelligence services, denying it the chance showcase any example of good governance in a high profile city prior to the 2012 general election. Still, the modern Islamists of the PJD now run more cites than ever before and their number of local councilors remains 50 percent above what it scored last time around. In sum, this is enough of a blow to frustrate them, but probably not enough to drive them from the game. The outcome may well erode further public support for Morocco's democratic processes and future voter participation. However, while the political season of cascading regional and upper house elections will continue run until October, and the legal fights will continue, on the local level, the public will turn to see how the new mayors and councils govern. End Comment.
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Sam 11 Déc 2010 - 23:40 | |
| Conversation avec FAH. - Citation :
- ID: 142016
Date: 2008-02-19 17:19:00 Origin: 08RABAT154 Source: Embassy Rabat Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: Destination: VZCZCXYZ0008 PP RUEHWEB
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C O N F I D E N T I A L RABAT 000154
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
STATE FOR NEA/MAG AND DRL/NESCA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/19/2018 TAGS: PGOV, PHUM, KDEM, PINR, MO SUBJECT: MR. EL-HIMMA GOES TO PARLIAMENT: AMBASSADOR'S CALL ON CHAMBER FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE HEAD FOUAD ALI EL-HIMMA
Classified By: Ambassador Thomas T. Riley for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary: In a February 13 meeting, prominent parliamentarian and royal confidante Fouad Ali El-Himma discussed with the Ambassador his efforts to better coordinate local, regional and national governance in the poor constituency he represents. El-Himma asserted that Morocco's legislature has "all the legal authority it needs" and complained bitterly about mismanagement of resources and lack of vision among the parliamentary leadership. Interestingly, El-Himma declined to engage on issues like Western Sahara (in which he was intimately engaged as Deputy Interior Minister) and did not even mention his "All Democrats Movement," an initiative which has prompted clamorous speculation in the domestic media about his political ambitions. End summary.
2. (C) The Ambassador met on February 13 with Fouad Ali El-Himma, Chairman of Parliament's Foreign Affairs, Islamic Affairs, and Defense Committee. El Himma is also leader of the parliamentary bloc with provides lynch-pin support to Prime Minister El-Fassi's minority government. The former Deputy Interior Minister and childhood friend and confidante of King Mohammed VI, is still commonly viewed as perhaps the most influential person in Morocco, after the monarch. In a 90-minute, one-on-one meeting, El-Himma talked at length about his efforts to help Skhour Rhamna, the poor constituency north of Marrakech he was elected to represent in September 2007. El-Himma said he had been leading a continuing dialogue between local officials, NGOs, and private sector leaders to discuss ways to attract investment, generate employment, and upgrade economic development activities in the district.
3. (C) El-Himma claimed that Skhour Rhamna was the poorest district in Morocco and lamented that it had not been selected as a beneficiary for Millennium Challenge Account projects, the first of which are being launched in early 2008. El-Himma urged that the USG look closely at Skhour Rhamna as it planned future assistance activities, pledging that he would make sure the USG received the full cooperation of all levels of the GOM in such an endeavor. If you invest in Skhour Rhamna, "we will give you your success story," he asserted. One potential asset he mentioned was the air base at Ben Guerir, the former NASA alternate landing site.
4. (C) Asked about his perspective as a new parliamentarian, El-Himma complained bitterly about the mismanagement of staff resources at the institution. Upon arrival, El-Himma discovered, to his dismay, that he could not hire even one staff member of his own choosing. Parliament's entire human resources budget was already tapped out, with 600 persons on the staff payroll, of whom "maybe 30 or 40 actually do something," he complained. He directly criticized former lower house speaker Abdelouahed Radi (now Minister of Justice) for having allocated jobs as political party favors and paybacks rather than on merit. El-Himma also clearly implied that his relations with Radi's successor, speaker Mustapha Mansouri, were chilly. (Comment: We had heard this from independent sources.)
5. (C) El-Himma challenged the widely held view that parliament was a weak institution because its powers were circumscribed by the constitution. The existing legal framework provides all the power it needs to effect change, he argued. The problem has been the myopic vision of the political parties in the parliament, he contended. If parliament got together and presented effective legislation based on strong consensus, the GOM could not and would not say no, he argued.
6. (C) Returning to the theme of helping his district, El-Himma told the Ambassador he had decided to step down from his post as Minister-Delegate for the Interior (i.e. Deputy Minister) to go back to a quieter life in his home town and focus on his family and his community. Once there, he decided he needed not to rest but to work hard to improve his community, concluding that he could best do so by representing his district in parliament.
7. (C) Comment: As Deputy Minister of the Interior from 2002 to the summer of 2007, he overshadowed the actual Minister (Chakib Benmoussa) and was widely considered, mainly
because of his proximity to the King, to be the second most influential man in Morocco. Many still believe this is the case. It is hard not to think him disingenuous in claiming that he stepped down from his ministerial post in the summer of 2007, not to enter parliament but to return to his dusty and rural hometown to spend time with his family.
8. (C) Comment continued: Perhaps most significant in the conversation was what El-Himma did not say. He ignored the Ambassador's question on Western Sahara, an issue on which he worked in the Interior Ministry and as a leader of numerous diplomatic missions to press Morocco's case in world capitals and the first Manhasset meeting. El-Himma also declined to say anything about his leadership of the "All Democrats Movement" (reftel), an initiative which has provoked clamorous speculation in the domestic media about his possible plans to form a new political party that would seem well placed to steamroll its rivals and transform the political landscape. Instead, with the Ambassador, El-Himma clung to his pose as a newly minted parliamentarian who has come to the capital determined to do something good for his district.
9. (C) Comment continued: This is doubtful, at least in part. El-Himma's proximity to the King has apparently not been diminished. In fact, we have heard that he was called to join the King on his early February skiing vacation in France. We think more plausible the commonly held view that El-Himma has been tasked by the King with going into parliament, seeing why it doesn't work well, and ultimately fixing it. Perhaps by forming a dominant new party, or perhaps through more indirect approaches. We are reminded of the 1980 Robert Redford film "Brubaker," in which the newly appointed warden enters a corrupt and brutal prison disguised as an inmate, to see for himself what the problems are from the ground level. El-Himma watching will continue to be a major sport for observers of Morocco's domestic political scene and will likely yield interesting results in the months to come. End comment.
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| Sujet: Re: Wikileaks,fuites et révélations Sam 11 Déc 2010 - 23:49 | |
| On peut voir que les americains controlent de tres tres pres les agissements d'Al Adl wal Ihssan. - Citation :
- ID: 183807
Date: 2008-12-18 17:26:00 Origin: 08RABAT1169 Source: Embassy Rabat Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: 07RABAT1838 08RABAT462 Destination: VZCZCXRO9909 OO RUEHBC RUEHDE RUEHKUK RUEHLH RUEHPW RUEHROV RUEHTRO DE RUEHRB #1169/01 3531726 ZNY CCCCC ZZH O 181726Z DEC 08 FM AMEMBASSY RABAT TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9453 INFO RUCNISL/ISLAMIC COLLECTIVE PRIORITY RUCNMGH/MAGHREB COLLECTIVE PRIORITY RUEHRL/AMEMBASSY BERLIN PRIORITY 0688 RUEHRO/AMEMBASSY ROME PRIORITY 1619 RUEHTC/AMEMBASSY THE HAGUE PRIORITY 0895 RUEHTRO/AMEMBASSY TRIPOLI PRIORITY 0387 RUEHLA/AMCONSUL BARCELONA PRIORITY 0007 RUEHMIL/AMCONSUL MILAN PRIORITY 0054 RHMFISS/DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WASHINGTON DC PRIORITY RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHDC PRIORITY RUEHGV/USMISSION GENEVA PRIORITY 1100 RHMFISS/HQ USAFRICOM STUTTGART GE PRIORITY
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 04 RABAT 001169
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STATE FOR NEA/MAG, NEA/PI, DRL/IRF AND DRL/NESCA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/18/2023 TAGS: PHUM, PGOV, PTER, PINR, KISL, IT, MO SUBJECT: AL ADL WA IHSAN: MOROCCO'S ISLAMIST DISSIDENTS GOING LEGIT?
REF: A. RABAT 462 B. 07 RABAT 1838
RABAT 00001169 001.2 OF 004
Classified By: Ambassador Thomas T. Riley for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary: The banned Islamist religio-political organization Al Adl wal-Ihsan (Adl) (more commonly known as the Justice and Charity or Justice and Good Works Organization) may be moving toward political participation, perhaps as a legal political party. Adl spokesman Fatallah Arsalane highlighted Adl's political project to PolCouns December 11. Noting stability is Adl's key goal, he denounced terrorism and violence, while protesting ongoing repression. Democratic politics was meaningless, he said, given the powerlessness of Parliament and royal absolutism, but he did not challenge the legitimacy of the monarchy. Arsalane echoed Adl's charismatic Sufi leader Abdelsallam Yassine's public disavowal last summer of Adl's historic call for a Caliphate, reinforced by the Sheikh's suspension of outreach, reported December 15. In their often symbolic dialogue, the authorities transmitted some positive signals of their own, while still holding some Adl members in jail. Were Adl to accept the monarchy and become legal, it could enhance stability but it could also increase Islamic influence on Moroccan politics. Arsalane closed by extending a hand to the new U.S. administration, urging changes in policies toward the region. End summary.
2. (C) Al Adl wal-Ihsan (Adl) spokesman and executive committee (Majlis al Shura) member Fatallah Arsalane and Hassab Bennajeh, the director of Adl's public relations office, met with PolCouns and Casablanca PolOff (notetaker) at Arsalane's home in Rabat on December 11. Arsalane was welcoming and spoke openly and at length about Adl's political aspirations and its difficult relationship with the GOM.
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3. (C) Arsalane began discussing the organization by stressing, "Our first goal, above all others, is the stability of Morocco." Both left and right have failed, leaving only Islam as a model. Within Islam there are moderates and extremists and, "we have chosen moderation." He said Adl wanted to work with other groups and political parties to help pull Morocco out of the political, social and economic crises it now faces.
4. (C) Adl is best known for its grassroots organizational abilities and for its social welfare programs among the poor urban Moroccans. Arsalane admitted that Adl's social programs were a source of its popularity, which was based more on Adl's message and ideas. The government ban on Adl's offering these services has only increased Adl's popularity. (Note: We have heard many of these efforts continue under the guise of Adl-related independent NGOs. Adl also has focused on youth; it gained control of the student unions of most Moroccan universities and the national organization of students. Its activists on campus continue to harass more secular students.)
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5. (C) Arsalane reported that GOM repression of Adl is widespread and includes bans on all public activities as well as all publications. In recent years police have raided private meetings in homes, but many of activities are tolerated. His own house was kept under surveillance and he was confident that his phones were tapped, but was unconcerned, noting, "We have nothing to hide." (Note: As we departed, an apparent surveillance team of three made a choreographed exit of their vehicle, parked just behind our embassy car, making sure we noticed. End note.)
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6. (C) Arsalane acknowledged that Adl had over the years maintained informal communication with the Moroccan regime. This was only rarely direct, and more often one-way and symbolic. He contended that the "undemocratic regime" was unwilling to engage in a more open and formal dialogue, maintained political red lines and imposed conditions on allowing Adl greater scope for activity. "In Morocco we have the motto: 'God, Nation, King' but in fact the only thing that matters here is the King."
7. (C) When asked about the historic support of Adl for a Caliphate or Islamic state, Arsalane said this was not Adl's position, claiming legitimacy and authority comes from the people and the Ulema. He thus substantiated the major but largely unremarked turnaround on this basic question by Sheikh Yassine during an interview this summer with the Arabic satellite TV channel Hiwar that opened the door to Adl's potential acceptance of the monarchy -- albeit not in its current state.
------------------------------ Condemning the Use of Violence ------------------------------
8. (C) Arsalane insisted that Adl was a political organization, and opposition to violence was a key principle. Adl also demanded that its members reject violence and expelled those who did not. He acknowledged that one participant in a failed bombing of a tour bus in Meknes in 2007 had once been a member, but claimed that the bomber had been out of Adl for a long time before the incident. Unprompted, Arsalane raised the detention and subsequent release, at the end of November, of 11 Moroccan immigrants in Italy, including members of Adl. Arsalane strongly rejected that these members were involved in terrorism and charged the Italian police were well aware of their activities. He contended that the arrests took place at the instigation of the Moroccan government, which unable to prove any wrongdoing, falsely continued to try to paint Adl members as terrorists. Arsalane contrasted Adl to Salafist groups truly bent on terrorist violence. "We reject these extremists ... they are against us and call us 'kufar' (non-believers)." He insisted that Adl regularly condemned terrorist attacks.
9. (C) PolCouns urged that Adl be more vocal in its condemnation of terrorist attacks, such as the 2007 suicide attacks against the U.S. Consulate General and other sites in Casablanca, and other terrorist attacks around the world. Arsalane responded that Adl in fact had denounced the 2003 Casablanca attacks, all terrorist attacks in Morocco and many elsewhere.
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10. (C) Arsalane noted that there is a constant dialogue within Adl about the extent to which the movement should participate in elections or the political process. He recounted that in 1981 Adl had asked to become a political party, but the GOM refused. In the lead up to the 2007 parliamentary elections, Adl decided not to participate because it believed that the Parliament does not have any real power to effect change. "It does not matter which party is in power, even the Party of Justice and Development (PJD)." If the GOM were now to allow Adl to become a political party, Arsalane averred they would accept.
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11. (C) Arsalane characterized Adl's relationship with PJD as respectful but denied that there is any active political cooperation except on Arab/international issues, such as Palestine and Iraq, as in their recent joint demonstrations in Tangier against a visit by senior Israeli officials. (Comment: It is unclear just how much the undeclared Adl
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boycott of the 2007 parliamentary elections contributed to the abysmally low turnout. If Adl members had voted for the PJD, the PJD might have fulfilled the many predictions that it would emerge as the largest party, and would have been in a position to form the government. So in the convoluted logic of Moroccan politics, this boycott served the regime's purpose. End comment.)
---------------------------- Succession of Sheikh Yassine ----------------------------
12. (C) We asked about what would happen after the death of Adl's charismatic leader, "Sheikh" Ahmed Yassine, reportedly 80 and poor health. Arsalane said that Adl has internal rules governing succession, which would be decided by an election of its executive committee (Majlis Ash-Shura).
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13. (C) Like virtually all our Moroccan interlocutors, Arsalane expressed interest in the incoming U.S. administration and asked that we convey a message to it. First, he said, the USG should stop supporting dictatorial regimes in the region and encourage them to be more democratic. The USG, in his view, has spoken much about principles of freedom and democracy but has observed them only when there was no conflict with U.S. regional interests. Second, he urged that the incoming administration devote its energy from outset to helping solve the Palestinian issue which would help solve many of the other problems in the region. Finally, he noted that prior to 9/11 many in the Islamic world aspired to visit the United States. Since then, however, many across the region, particularly moderate Islamists, are afraid to visit, because they believe that USG will falsely accuse and imprison them at behest of their repressive home governments. He also hoped some intervention could be made on behalf of party members he claimed were falsely convicted of homicide in Morocco and have gone a long way towards serving their 20-year sentences.
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14. (C) For its part, the authorities have responded with some positive signals to Adl,s overtures. While the newspaper remains banned, there appears to be less tampering with the well-constructed Adl website (www.aljamaa.net in French and Arabic). Arrests continue but appear to be diminishing in both frequency and scope. The prosecution of Nadia Yassine, the Sheikh,s daughter, for verbal assault on the monarchy continues to be delayed. (Note: Arsalane described this as equivalent to judicial supervision.) In another step, earlier in the week Minister of Endowments and Islamic Affairs Ahmed Toufiq paid a condolence call on the family of a recently deceased Adl Board member and close companion of Yassine, whom Toufiq knew long ago in a common Sufi brotherhood, a visit that likely required palace assent.
15. (U) On December 15, media reported that Sheikh Yassine decreed that the organization would suspend all public activity, assemblies, meetings, etc., apparently to avoid any confrontation with the authorities. (Note: This is in context of, and may be an attempt to insulate Adl from, a current GOM crackdown against Islamic extremists.)
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16. (C) Arsalane represents an apparently growing tendency within Adl that is eager to engage more actively in the political life of the country. In contrast to past expressions of religio-political identity, he clearly acknowledged its principally political nature and
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aspirations, pointedly making little or no reference to it being a religious body. It is unclear to what extent Sheikh Yassine's own epiphany is behind this evolution of the movement, or whether he is reflecting the wishes of the politicized next generation, be it Arsalane and his politicized cohort or the sheikh's daughter Nadia Yassine -- who appear to be rivals. There has been widespread speculation that after the sheikh's death there will be a split in the organization. It now seems clear that either way the politicos will dominate, with the religious element possibly becoming a parallel organization, as is the case with the PJD and its religious counterpart the Movement for Unity and Reform (MUR).
17. (C) Although Arsalane was adamant that the GOM/Palace has not engaged in a formal dialogue with Adl, it is clear that an understanding is developing between them. The GOM has tolerated the activities of Adl so long as it did not press the question of the king's legitimacy or take steps to mobilize its followers against regime. Some analysts believe that Adl has played a critical role as a release valve for social and political tensions through a non-violent organization. Certainly, Adl exploited these frustrations to swell its ranks. The GOM periodically alleges Adl involvement in violent or terrorist activities, as it apparently did in Italy, but has presented no evidence for this. All indications appear to substantiate Adl's commitment to avoid violence.
18. (C) Adl's potential buy-in to the system could have an important effect on enhancing stability in Morocco, just at a time when it is under pressure due to the global economic downturn. It would also, however, increase Islamic influence on politics, adding to the leverage of the PJD, but even together, Islamists would almost certainly remain a minority. Like most politics here, this potential "conversion" to legitimacy will remain for some time obscure, and play out only over time. End comment.
19. (C) Note A: The last time mission has had contact with Arsalane was before 9/11/2001, and the government protested. We have heard no such protest so far. We have avoided contact with Nadia Yassine since her indictment, and have been in touch only at a lower level.
20. (SBU) Note B: Al Adl wal-Ihsan has frequently been translated as the Justice and Charity Organization, with the familiar acronym JCO. In fact, the organization itself prefers the translation Justice and Spirituality. While perhaps the best translation of the Islamic concept of Ihsan would be "good works," the term encompasses that notion as well as charity and the performance of spiritual acts. Following local press usage, we plan to continue to use Adl (Justice). End Notes.
21. (U) This cable was drafted by Casablanca PolOff and has been cleared with the Consulate General.
22. (U) Tripoli minimize considered.
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| - Leo Africanus a écrit:
Je sais qu'il y a des gens qui ont vu M6 s'arreter sur le feu rouge mais quelqu'un l'a vu t-il la mattraque a la main entrain d'intervenir dans les elections a derb simbriru?
Moi je l'ai déjà croisé à l'autoroute et à la plage et il était sans matraque ! Sinon, pour le choix des maires, je ne sais pas comment ça s'est déroulé à tanger et oujda, mais à Rabat il s'agissait simplement de solder quelques affaires personnels je peux t'en dire plus en MP. | |
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- WikiLeaks. Etats-Unis - Maghreb
Une coopération militaire sur un pied d’égalité
le 13.12.10 | 03h00 Réagissez
Les Etats-Unis tiennent à coopérer d’une manière égale avec les armées du Maghreb et du Sahel. L’idée est exprimée par le général William Ward, chef du commandement militaire pour l’Afrique (Africom), lors d’une visite à Rabat, fin décembre 2009, et cité par un câble de l’ambassade américaine à Rabat, daté du 4 janvier 2010.
«Au Maroc, le général Ward a exprimé sa satisfaction après ses récentes visites en Algérie, en Libye et au Mali. Il a montré qu’un traitement égal est réservé aux armées de la région», est-il noté. Le chef de l’Africom a précisé que ce traitement égal n’a pas pour but de bâtir une coopération militaire régionale. Donc, ce que les Etats-Unis soutiennent sur le plan économique, avec la réactivation de l’initiative Eizenstat qui défend le projet d’un marché maghrébin global, ne cadre pas forcément avec la coopération militaire et sécuritaire. Cependant, le général Ward a pris soin, et d’après le même câble, de souligner que l’Africom a également pour objectif la stimulation de la coopération économique.
Cela donne au commandement, qui est basé actuellement à Stuttggart en Allemagne, une autre dimension qui va, probablement, être plus claire plus tard. A Rabat, le général Ward, qui a eu des entretiens avec l’Inspecteur général des forces armées royales (FAR) marocaines, le général de corps d’armée Abdelaziz Bennani, a signé un accord pour la livraison au Maroc, à partir de juillet 2011, des avions de combat F16. Il a également paraphé un Protocole d’accord sur interopérabilité des communications et de la sécurité entre les Etats-Unis et le Maroc. Ce protocole permettra aux militaires marocains d’accéder à la dernière technologie en matière de cryptographie (traçage des mails par exemple) et de verrouillage de communication (isolement de systèmes téléphoniques mobiles). Rabat et Washington envisagent de signer un autre important accord, l’ACSA (Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement).
Signé avec 76 pays, dont tous les Etats membres de l’OTAN, l’ACSA est principalement destiné aux nations alliées des Etats-Unis. Il permet un échange d’équipements, de carburants, de produits alimentaires et de munitions en toutes circonstances. «L’année prochaine (2011) verra la mise en place d’un programme complet de coopération dans le domaine sécuritaire entre les armées des deux pays», est-il relevé. Le général Abdelaziz Bennani a estimé que les FAR sont prêtes à participer dans le futur à des opérations combinées avec l’armée américaine. Par ailleurs, la Libye, selon un télégramme de l’ambassade US à Tripoli, daté du 11 février 2010, a accusé les Etats-Unis de l’avoir empêchée de continuer le programme de destruction de missile Scud. Le général Ahmed Azwaï, en charge de ce programme, a indiqué que son pays était à la recherche de systèmes alternatifs. Et, il a indiqué que la Libye était intéressée par l’achat de missiles russes Iskander.
«Azwai n’a fait aucune mention du missile français Scalp ou des autres alternatives proposées pendant la réunion», est-il indiqué. Mieux : il est relevé que le général Azwaï a suggéré que l’option Scalp, qui est un missile de croisière, soit une initiative personnelle de Seif Al Islam El Gueddafi, fils du leader libyen. Cela peut donc souligner que des divergences d’ordre stratégique existent entre Mouamar El Gueddafi et ses propres fils. Le général Azwaï a également affirmé que la Libye souhaite un appui des Etats-Unis pour adhérer au MTCR (régime de contrôle de la technologie des missiles). Le MTCR est un regroupement informel de trente-quatre pays qui veulent lutter contre la prolifération des missiles non pilotés d’armes de destruction massive (ADM) mais également qui œuvrent à contrôler «les transferts d’équipements, de matériels et de technologies relatifs aux missiles qui sont utilisables dans des systèmes capables de transporter des ADM». Aucun pays arabe n’est membre de ce système. La Turquie est le seul pays musulman à y siéger alors que l’Afrique du Sud est le seul Etat africain à en être membre. Fayçal Métaoui El watan |
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- ID: 58606
Date: 2006-03-29 14:46:00 Origin: 06RABAT557 Source: Embassy Rabat Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: 06RABAT539 Destination: VZCZCXYZ0000 OO RUEHWEB
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/30/2010 TAGS: MO, PGOV, PREL, SNAR SUBJECT: SPANISH AMBASSADOR ON WESTERN SAHARA, MIGRATION, ISLAMISTS
REF: A. RABAT 539
B. RABAT 308 C. RABAT 484
Classified By: Ambassador Thomas T. Riley for Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (C) Summary: Over lunch March 20, Spanish Ambassador Planas Puchades told Ambassador Riley that Spain continued to encourage Morocco to produce a credible autonomy plan for the Western Sahara. He dismissed alleged splits within the Polisario, suggesting the recently emerged faction "Line of Martyrs" seemed to be made up of disgruntled or former Polisario members living in the Canary Islands, and "it is not significant." Planas pointedly did not reiterate Spanish concern about Van Walsum's remarks on pulling the Security Council back from the Sahara dispute or US interest in downsizing MINURSO. On migration, Planas expressed disappointment with Algeria's apparent decision not to participate in the July regional conference in Rabat, which Planas said enjoyed EU buy-in. Planas was interested in a recent International Republican Institute (IRI) poll that appeared in the March 18 issue of Moroccan weekly Le Journal, which indicated strong support for Morocco's Islamist party. The conversation touched briefly on the upcoming NATO High-level event in Rabat, Spanish investment in Morocco, and narcotics. End Summary.
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2. (C) Continuing a series of reciprocal lunches, Spanish Ambassador Planas Puchades hosted Ambassador Riley and Polcouns to lunch at the Spanish residence on March 20. Planas was accompanied by his new DCM and previously Spanish Ambassador in Nigeria, Alfonso Portabales, who had arrived in Morocco the previous week.
3. (C) Planas said the GOS was following with great interest the King's much-anticipated visit to Western Sahara (March 20-25; see ref A). Ambassador Riley noted we were also following the visit with interest. Planas said Spain's primary message to Morocco at this point was one he believed we shared: Morocco should present a credible autonomy plan. Planas said Spain would need to review the plan before taking a position on it, but in the meantime the GOS was providing "comfort and support" to the GOM to produce a serious plan. Planas was somewhat dismissive of the consultation process with Moroccan political parties, saying he understood the parties' meetings with Palace advisor Mohamed Moatassim were "not really an exchange." He said, nevertheless, that conferences such as that held by the PJD and FC several weeks ago (Ref B) "were okay." Planas said the Spanish have been clear with Morocco that the autonomy plan must be concrete and not conservative. Ambassador Riley said this was a key US message as well.
4. (C) Planas said the reported split within the Polisario (the so-called Ligne de Martyrs, or Line of Martyrs) was not significant. These were mostly individuals based in the Canary Islands. While the split itself was not significant, Planas believed there was growing frustration in Tindouf, but it might not be related solely to pressure for negotiation. Planas noted that the Polisario cause continued to resonate with Spaniards, who visited Tindouf in large numbers every year as families back in Spain opened their doors to 5000-10,000 Sahrawis for home stays.
5. (C) Planas did not echo GOS concern about the possible backing off of the Western Sahara conflict by the Security Council as advocated by UN Envoy Van Walsum; nor he did express concern about a possible MINURSO drawdown.
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6. (C) Planas said there continued to be good cooperation between Morocco and Spain on migration issues, especially after the unfortunate deaths on the frontiers of the Spanish enclaves last fall. Planas said the GOS was pleased Morocco
had announced it was holding a regional conference on migration in Rabat in July, but he regretted that Algeria had apparently decided not to participate (he actually said Algeria's non-participation was "dangerous.") on the ground that the AU was already organizing migration conferences. The Rabat conference, Planas said, enjoyed solid support from France and the EU, as well as Spain. He was concerned about the growth of trafficking networks in the region, noting that some migrants bought "travel packs" (a package of movements -- by road, car, ship, with a series of handlers at each phase -- to get one to the desired destination), which from his information cost thousands of dollars, with no certainty that one would ever reach the destination.
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7. (C) Planas had read with interest recent coverage in Moroccan weekly Le Journal of an "American poll" on Moroccan political attitudes (the poll was conducted by the International Republican Institute but was not intended to be shared with the press; according to IRI, one of political parties that had helped with the poll likely leaked it. Full details and embassy analysis of the results can be found in Ref C). Planas said the results, purporting to forecast a likely PJD victory in the 2007 parliamentary elections, were very interesting. Planas said even if it won many seats the PJD probably would not be able to govern without a coalition. Other political parties are being slow to democratize, Planas said; their leaders are old and there is little dynamism in the ranks. The PJD seems to be following the Erdogan path, he added (see Ref C).
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8. (C) Planas raised Morocco's hosting of the upcoming NATO High-Level Event (April 6-7 in Rabat) and said it was an important event for Morocco, especially as it followed the meeting of NATO and Med Dialogue Defense Ministers in Taormina in February. Planas added that the upcoming 50th anniversary of the Moroccan Armed Forces was also a showcase event for Morocco, and he hoped the US would participate robustly. (Comment: we are firming up a robust US participation in the 50th Anniversary of the FAR celebrations and have tentatively secured a DV embarkation onboard a U.S. aircraft carrier as part of the event. End Comment). Ambassador Riley thanked Planas for Spanish support for the recent planning conference for an upcoming exercise, Phoenix Express, which brought together Moroccan, Algerian, and Spanish naval officers for a week in Rabat.
Spanish Investment ------------------
9. (C) Ambassador Riley noted Spain's announcement in February of a 200 million Euro plan to facilitate small and medium-sized enterprises in Morocco. (Spain is Morocco,s second largest investor). Planas said he hoped the plan would assist Spanish enterprises but said Morocco remained a challenging place to do business given lack of transparency. In terms of providing aid to Morocco Ambassador Riley said there ought to be better coordination among donors and suggested small meetings for donors for specific regions in Morocco, not for all programs in the whole country, especially given the MCA activities. Planas agreed and pointed out that two thirds of Spanish aid to Morocco went to the northern part of the country.
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10. (SBU) Planas noted that Spain was developing plans to promote tobacco production in Larache province (between Rabat and Tangiers) as a way of promoting alternatives to narcotics cultivation in northern Morocco. ****************************************** Visit Embassy Rabat's Classified Website; http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/nea/rabat
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Date: 2006-11-02 16:23:00 Origin: 06MADRID2809 Source: Embassy Madrid Classification: CONFIDENTIAL Dunno: 06STATE150118 Destination: VZCZCXRO7785 PP RUEHDBU RUEHFL RUEHKW RUEHLA RUEHROV RUEHSR DE RUEHMD #2809/01 3061623 ZNY CCCCC ZZH P 021623Z NOV 06 FM AMEMBASSY MADRID TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 1229 INFO RUEHZL/EUROPEAN POLITICAL COLLECTIVE PRIORITY RUEHAS/AMEMBASSY ALGIERS PRIORITY 3902 RUEHNK/AMEMBASSY NOUAKCHOTT PRIORITY 1121 RUEHRB/AMEMBASSY RABAT PRIORITY 5978 RUEHLA/AMCONSUL BARCELONA PRIORITY 2206 RUCNDT/USMISSION USUN NEW YORK PRIORITY 0246
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/02/2016 TAGS: PREL, SP SUBJECT: SPANISH SEEK INCLUSION IN WESTERN SAHARA STRATEGY
REF: A. STATE 150118
B. NEA READ OUT: A/S WELCH-SPANISH DG IRANZO MEETING
MADRID 00002809 001.2 OF 002
Classified By: A/DCM Josie Shumake for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (C) SUMMARY: One month after the UNGA meeting between Assistant Secretary Welch and MFA DG for Middle East/Africa Alvaro Iranzo, Iranzo paid a call on the Ambassador October 26, saying he had sought the meeting at FM Moratinos' request, to reiterate that Spain wishes to play a role in U.S. strategic planning on Western Sahara. Iranzo asked whether the GOS could anticipate a response to the non-paper which he presented to A/S Welch at their UNGA meeting. Foreign Minister Moratinos stuck to boilerplate language on Western Sahara in recent testimony before the Spanish Congress, and he denied a media report that Spain is assisting Morocco in crafting their autonomy plan. Post requests guidance on how to respond to MFA's non-paper. END SUMMARY.
2. (C) MFA DG for Middle East/Africa Alvaro Iranzo called on the Ambassador on October 26 to discuss Western Sahara. He said his visit to the Embassy was at the request of Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, and he repeated the plea made to NEA A/S Welch at their September meeting in New York for greater US-Spain coordination on Western Sahara. Iranzo suggested that Spain and the U.S. coordinate prior to bringing in other interested parties including the UK and France. Iranzo said Spain welcomed the plan for a "technical rollover" of the MINURSO mandate at the end of October but wished it had some reference to a broader political framework or negotiating strategy. In that respect, he mentioned the non-paper he presented to A/S Welch in New York and asked whether Spain would receive a response, as A/S Welch had indicated. The Ambassador told Iranzo he would relay the request to Washington. Iranzo asked for Ambassador Aguirre,s support in pressing Washington for greater coordination with Spain on this issue and said he had appreciated the meeting with A/S Welch.
3. (C) Apart from this meeting, Iranzo called in PolCouns on October 16 to convey the same message. PolCouns noted that the U.S. had put forward a framework that included pressure on Morocco to produce a credible autonomy plan and negotiate directly with the Polisario as soon as possible - with the continued threat that MINURSO rollovers would no longer be a matter of course.
4. (U) On October 24, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos told the Congress of Deputies that the relevant parties in the Western Sahara dispute must continue negotiating and bring solution to the conflict. He said that the Zapatero government "has tried, continues to try, and will continue trying to find a definitive solution to the Sahara problem that is just, politically and mutually acceptable, and that permits the exercise of free self-determination for the Sahrawi people." Moratinos said he was sure that a consensus could be reached in New York if the parties could agree on a plan. "What is missing is that the parties need to find the will to negotiate a solution within the structure of the United Nations and its principles and resolutions." At a joint press conference on October 31, Moratinos denied a report published in Moroccan magazine "Le Journal Hebdomadaire" which claimed that Spanish jurists are assisting Morocco in drafting its autonomy plan for Western Sahara.
5. (U) Spanish interest in Western Sahara starts at the top. The King and Queen will visit Algeria in early 2007, and the King recently met with Morocco's King Mohamed VI. The Polisario Front sent a letter to King Juan Carlos on October 12 asking him to intervene on their behalf with the Moroccan monarch. Mauritanian President Ely Ould Mohamed Vall just made his first visit to Spain, along with a host of ministers. His visit coincided with that of Algerian Foreign Minister Mohamed Bedjaoui, though post is unaware of any connection.
6. (C) COMMENT: The Spanish non-paper declares the "unfeasibility" of any regionally acceptable solution while Algeria and Morocco remain at each other's throats. It is also clearly colored by and suggests a solution similar to the approach which Spain has taken with its own region of Catalonia. That is, abandoning "decolonization" vocabulary such as sovereignty and independence in favor of "globalization" vocabulary such as regionalization, autonomy, and self-rule (page 9). Spain's reliance on Algerian natural
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gas and on Moroccan labor, trade and CT cooperation puts it in the awkward position of having to maintain good relations with both nations. Spain's national interest clearly lies with resolving this dispute, opening the Morocco-Algeria border, and engaging a regionally integrated North African economy. END COMMENT.
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