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| Sujet: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 29 Nov 2012 - 14:37 | |
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- WASHINGTON, November 28, 2012 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress November 26 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for technical services to recertify the functional shelf life of up to 300 PATRIOT Advanced Capability-2 (PAC-2) (MIM-104D) Guidance Enhanced Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training nd logistical support for an estimated cost of $130 million.
The Government of Saudi Arabia has requested a possible sale of technical services to recertify the functional shelf life of up to 300 PATRIOT Advanced Capability-2 (PAC-2) (MIM-104D) Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM), modernization of existing equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, U.S. Government and contractor representatives logistics, engineering, and technical support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $130 million. This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of an important partner which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East. The proposed recertification program will allow the Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces to extend the shelf life of the PAC-2 missiles in its inventory for an additional twelve years. The proposed recertification program will not alter the basic military balance in the region. The principal contractor will be Raytheon Corporation in Andover, Massachusetts. The recertification process will be performed by Letterkenny Army Depot in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale Implementation of this proposed sale will require one contractor representative to travel to the Missile Assembly Disassembly Facility in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on an extended basis for missile assembly/disassembly support, system checkout, training and technical and logistics support. There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2012/Saudi_Arabia_12-65.pdf bizarre…. Seulement recertification program ? Après les commandes des voisins et surtout la dernière commande d’avant hier pour le C4I je m’attendais plutôt à une commande THAAD ou PAC3…bizarre | |
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annabi Général de corps d'armée (ANP)
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Lun 27 Jan 2014 - 21:20 | |
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- Pak-Saudi Defense Cooperation To Expand, But Questions Arise
ISLAMABAD — The recent visit of the Saudi Arabian deputy defense minister to Pakistan included discussions of improving defense and security ties, although what direction that would take is unclear, analysts said. Also an issue: whether there will be any linkage with Saudi Arabia’s standoff with Iran and its involvement in the Syrian civil war. Prince Salman Bin Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud visited Islamabad last week, where he met Federal Defence Minister Khawaja Mohammad Asif, chief of Army Staff Gen. Raheel Sharif, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, Gen. Rashad Mahmood. During the meeting between Sharif and Salman, a press release by the military stated, “matters of mutual interest, regional security and enhanced bilateral defence collaboration, including [a] training exchange program, were discussed.” This was followed by delegation-level bilateral talks. It is hoped that establishment of military cooperation committees will boost defense cooperation. But thus far there is no specific role for these committees, and analysts are uncertain what shape improved relations might take. “There is not much more can be done to expand current levels of military cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan,” said Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad. Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan military consortium think tank said there is already a good degree of cooperation. “All three military branches have training and exercises with the Saudis,” he said, and also highlighted that Pakistan already trains many Saudi military officers. “Usually, Saudi cadets come to Risalpur for Air Force, Pakistan Military Academy for Army, and Manora for naval training. Some of the Saudis attend regular staff and war studies courses.” Another potential area is submarine training, he said. “The Saudis are planning to buy submarines and it would be OK to say they’ll send their officers and sailors to Pakistan for training,” he said. Pakistan is already reportedly training Burma’s first submariners as that country prepares to induct submarines, and Pakistan helped train the first generation of Saudi naval officers and sailors. The chances of helping the Saudis establish a submarine arm are therefore high. Cloughley said that Pakistan may be looking for other benefits from increased defense cooperation. “What Pakistan really wants is for the Saudis to buy military equipment,” he said, “but the chances of that seem to be slim, as the Saudis are already locked into Western suppliers. “It’s not impossible, of course, and there might be some arrangement about ammunition, for example, but it is unlikely to amount to very much in cash terms,” he added. So far, Khan said, Pakistan’s efforts to sell defense equipment to the Saudis have been largely frustrated. “[Pakistan Aeronautical Complex] has sold Mushaq basic trainers to Saudi Arabia, and tried to sell the K-8 basic/intermediate jet and Al-Khalid MBT, but to no avail. I had previously thought the Saudis [were] hoping to buy the JF-17 to replace their F-5s, but they bought more F-15s, upgraded their Tornados, and now have bought Typhoon,” he said. He does see a “possible sale of newer versions of the [Pakistan Ordnance Factories] G-3 battle rifle, along with mortars and other ammunition, and free-fall dumb bombs.” The possible sale of small arms and ammunition — the staple of Pakistan’s defense exports so far — should be treated with some degree of caution, he said, as some Pakistani-produced 106mm recoilless rifles and RPG-7s sold to Saudi Arabia have resurfaced in Syria in the hands of the Free Syrian Army. Still, Cloughley said the Saudis may have an additional motive for turning to Pakistan. “Naturally, the Saudis are anxious to obtain and maintain Sunni support against Iran and for their efforts in Syria,” he said. “It is even possible that Pakistan could be asked to provide weapons for the Syrian rebels on behalf of Saudi. This would be a good way of achieving Saudi objectives in the Middle East while keeping Pakistan happy. “Western nations would turn a blind eye to any such arrangement,” he said. Training the Syrian rebels, as has been suggested in some quarters (such as Foreign Policy journal), is according to Cloughley out of the question for Pakistan however.
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140127/DEFREG03/301270031/Pak-Saudi-Defense-Cooperation-Expand-Questions-Arise?odyssey=mod_sectionstories
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 9:16 | |
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- Exclusive: CIA Helped Saudis in Secret Chinese Missile Deal
Saudi Arabia has long been a backroom player in the Middle East's nuclear game of thrones, apparently content to bankroll the ambitions of Pakistan and Iraq (under Saddam Hussein) to counter the rise of its mortal enemy, Iran.
But as the West and Iran have moved closer to a nuclear accommodation, signs are emerging that the monarchy is ready to give the world a peek at a new missile strike force of its own - which has been upgraded with Washington's careful connivance.
According to a well-placed intelligence source, Saudi Arabia bought ballistic missiles from China in 2007 in a hitherto unreported deal that won Washington's quiet approval on the condition that CIA technical experts could verify they were not designed to carry nuclear warheads.
The solid-fueled, medium-range DF-21 East Wind missiles are an improvement over the DF-3s the Saudis clandestinely acquired from China in 1988, experts say, although they differ on how much of an upgrade they were.
The newer missiles, known as CSS-5s in NATO parlance, have a shorter range but greater accuracy, making them more useful against "high-value targets in Tehran, like presidential palaces or supreme-leader palaces," Jeffrey Lewis, director of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, tells Newsweek. They can also be fired much more quickly.
The poor accuracy of the old DF-3s rendered them impotent during the first Gulf War as a counterstrike to Saddam Hussein's Scuds, according to Desert Warrior, a 1996 memoir by Saudi Prince Khaled bin Sultan, then-commander of the Riyadh's Air Defense Forces. King Fahd declined to fling them at Iraq because the likely result would have been mass civilian casualties, and "the coalition's air campaign being waged against Iraq was sufficient retaliation," Khaled wrote.
When that war ended, the Saudis went looking for something better. In China, they likely found it. But unlike in 1988, when they royally annoyed Washington with their secret acquisition of DF-3s, this time they decided to play nice. And the CIA was their assigned playmate.
CIA and Saudi air force officers hammered out the ways and means for acquiring the new Chinese missiles during a series of secretive meetings at the spy agency's Langley, Va., headquarters and over dinners at restaurants in northern Virginia during the spring and summer of 2007, a well-informed source tells Newsweek. The arrangements were so sensitive that then-deputy CIA director Stephen Kappes ordered the CIA's logistical costs, estimated at $600,000 to $700,000 buried under a vague "ops support" heading in internal budget documents - prompting loud complaints from the head of the agency's support staff.
Aside from technical personnel, among the few CIA officials let in on the deal were the agency's then-number three, Associate Deputy Director Michael Morrell, a longtime Asia hand; John Kringen, then-head of the agency's intelligence directorate; and the CIA's Riyadh station chief, who Newsweek is not identifying because he remains undercover. Two analysts subsequently traveled to Saudi Arabia, inspected the crates and returned satisfied that the missiles were not designed to carry nukes, says the source, who asked for anonymity in exchange for discussing the still-secret deal.
The CIA declined to comment, as did current and former White House officials. The Chinese and Saudi embassies in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.
Reports that the Saudis have upgraded their missile fleet, however, are not new. Former CIA analyst Jonathan Scherck, for example, who managed intelligence reports on Saudi Arabia as a contractor from 2005 to 2007, claimed in Patriot Lost, an unauthorized 2010 book, that China began supplying a "turnkey nuclear ballistic missile system" to the kingdom with the covert approval of the George W. Bush administration, "no later than December 2003."
Lewis discounts Scherck's "nuclear" claim, which Scherck says he based on reports he saw from CIA spies and technical collection systems.
Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA and White House National Security Council expert on the Middle East, also dismisses Scherck's nuclear scenario, as well as recent claims by the BBC and Time magazine - citing a former head of Israeli military intelligence - that the Saudis had placed Pakistani nuclear warheads "on order."
"Nonsense and disinformation," he told Newsweek.
But Lewis says that other small but important details in Patriot Lost checked out. "One can raise a number of questions about the logic in Scherck's book - particularly when he starts imagining Pakistani warheads on those Chinese missiles or accusing Bush administration officials of various crimes," Lewis explains, "but when Scherck sticks to the details about monitoring foreign missile shipments and deployments, he's believable."
An engineer on a U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser before joining the CIA, Scherck was fired in 2008 for pursuing details out of channels at the National Geospatial Agency, the satellite imagery service helmed then by James Clapper, now director of National Intelligence. Then the Justice Department pounced on Scherck, seizing the modest revenues from his self-published book and prohibiting him from writing or talking further about the matter. Now 39, Scherck works as a night manager of a hotel in Southern California while he works on a screenplay.
Meanwhile, the Saudis have been acting like they want people to take notice of their previously furtive missile program.
"Over the past few years, Saudi Arabia has started talking a lot about its Strategic Missile Force," Lewis writes in the draft of an upcoming piece for Foreign Policy that he showed Newsweek. "And, in the course of doing so, Riyadh seems to be hinting that it has bought at least two new types of ballistic missiles."
"For example," Lewis writes, "in 2010, Khaled - by then deputy defense minister - cut the ribbon on a new headquarters building in Riyadh for the Strategic Missile Force. They released a number of images of the building, both inside and out. Moreover, since about 2007, the Saudi press has covered graduation ceremonies from the Strategic Missile Force school in Wadi ad-Dawasir - especially if the commencement speaker is a person of importance.
"The process of recruiting Saudis has also resulted in fair amount of information appearing in print, right down to the pay schedule," he added. "For a while, the Strategic Missile Force even had a website, although it is no longer active."
The most intriguing photo to appear so far, showed "Khaled's replacement - the recently removed deputy minister of defense Prince Fahd - visiting the Strategic Missile Force headquarters in Riyadh," Lewis writes. Instead of gifting him with the usual "solid-gold falcon in a glass case... the stuff dreams are made of," Lewis cracks, officials are shown posing with a glass-enclosed case of three missile models.
"The missile on the far left is, obviously, a DF-3 of the sort that Saudi Arabia purchased from China in the late 1980s," Lewis writes. "But the other two? They could any one of Chinese or Pakistani missiles. All the missiles Lewis mentions are nuclear-capable.
Again, the unprecedented missiles-and-pony show could be a deception. In any case, the Saudis are banging the drums around their missile bases - without any apparent notice here, Lewis says, probably because it's all in Arabic.
The local Saudi press has been covering blood drives and disaster relief efforts by personnel at known missile bases, Lewis tells Newsweek. And while officials have been secretive about another missile base, he's discovered that "people on Arabic bulletin boards have big mouths.
"Turns out, if you're a Saudi assigned to a launch unit," he says, "the most natural thing in the world is to announce on a bulletin board, 'Hi, I work for the Saudi missile force, and I've been assigned to this place, and where can I get an apartment?' And people openly talk about their deployments in a way that Saudi officials would freak if they realized it."
Maybe. But you can't scare people if nobody knows what you got. Maybe the Saudis are suddenly trying to get attention. They've faced the deterrence dilemma before.
In late 1988, Khaled recalled in his memoir, he worried that nobody had detected the deployment of the secretly acquired Chinese DF-3s. What good was having them if nobody was afraid of them? He suggested leaking their existence, "as the object of acquiring the weapon would not have been achieved" unless the world (read: Iranians and Israelis) knew about it. "As it happened," he wrote in Desert Warrior, "we had no need to do so, because the Americans broke the news first." And they were in a king's rage about it.
But what about the 2007 Chinese missile deal Newsweek was told about? No one seems to have noticed that, either.
But they may now.
Important note: Those DF-21s - or whatever they are - don't dramatically tilt the Middle East map in the Saudis' favor.
"Even if it is the case that Saudi Arabia received DF-21 missiles, unless they also received nuclear warheads for the missiles, it has little meaning for the regional military balance," Pollack told Newsweek.
"Saudi Arabia has had Chinese ballistic missiles since the 1980s, and the DF-21 has a shorter range than the CSS-2s they originally bought. A conventional warhead on the DF-21 would be too small to cause the kind of damage that would have a strategic impact. Even if the Chinese had sold Saudis the mod-4 warhead for the DF-21 - which theoretically can cripple an aircraft carrier - the Saudis lack the sensor technology to find an aircraft carrier, except when one is docked at Port Jebel Ali in the UAE, Saudi Arabia's close ally."
Lewis agrees - with caveats. When you're talking nukes and missiles, you always have to factor in the weird stuff, like Kissinger whispering to Hanoi that Nixon was bonkers over Vietnam and would slap the armageddon button if pushed too far - the so-called "madman theory."
"It has its advantages, it definitely has its advantages," Lewis says of the new Saudi missiles deal, if only because some of those missiles could have been modified to carry nuclear warheads after CIA technicians left. "But I don't know if I were an Iranian I would feel fundamentally different about the DF 21s than I did about the DF-3.... "
He adds, "Maybe there's a whole gut, or visceral, thing, where they" - the Iranians - "say, 'Hey, these guys spent a lot of money, they're serious.' So maybe it just conveys the Saudis' will in a way that is unsettling, in a way that the fine old missile system wasn't.
"It's a weird thing. It has its own, strange logic. So yeah, it makes a difference. But it's not a difference-maker."
Newsweek Contributing Editor Jeff Stein writes the SpyTalk column from Washington.
http://www.newsweek.com | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 11:45 | |
| DF21 a la fois la variante D est le carrier-killer qui inquiete les US,mais je doute que les saoudiens en tirent grand avantage _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 13:24 | |
| Oui la D peux couler un Porte avion a plus de 1500 Km et surtout que les chinois ont amélioré le guidage de leur missile balistiques avec le lancement des dernier satellites Yaogan | |
| | | FAMAS Modérateur
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 13:46 | |
| mais comme l'article dit il faut des satellites pour identifier et guider le missile vers le porte-avion l'important c'est qu'ils peuvent viser avec des points névralgiques en Iran tout en réduisant les dommages collatéraux (pertes civiles...) grâce à la CEP réduite
_________________ "La stratégie est comme l'eau qui fuit les hauteurs et qui remplit les creux" SunTzu
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 14:07 | |
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- mais comme l'article dit il faut des satellites pour identifier et guider le missile vers le porte-avion
l'important c'est qu'ils peuvent viser avec des points névralgiques en Iran tout en réduisant les dommages collatéraux (pertes civiles...) grâce à la CEP réduite
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 14:18 | |
| feu vert de langley avant tout achat arsenik tu guide pas ça avec 1 sattelite |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 30 Jan 2014 - 14:29 | |
| les chinois ont amélioré le guidage des Dong Feng 21 avec le lancement de 5 satellites Yaogan | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Lun 3 Fév 2014 - 10:06 | |
| Le gouvernement allemand débloque enfin la vente de 100 patrouilleurs garde-côtes à l'Arabie Saoudite :
http://opexnews.over-blog.com/2014/02/le-gouvernement-allemand-d%C3%A9bloque-enfin-la-vente-de-100-patrouilleurs-garde-c%C3%B4tes-%C3%A0-l-arabie-saoudite.html
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Lun 3 Fév 2014 - 12:51 | |
| voilà l'article en anglai 100 patrouilleurs ça me parais beaucoup - Citation :
- German Shipbuilder Lurssen could deliver more than 100 Patrol Boats to Saudi Arabia
According to German weekly news magazine Der Spiegel, the German government is negotiating with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia the delivery of more than 100 patrol boats for the Ministry of Interior. The conctract is estimated at 1.4 billion euros. According to German weekly news magazine Der Spiegel, the German government is negotiating with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia the delivery of more than 100 patrol boats for the Ministry of Interior. The conctract is estimated at 1.4 billion euros. Lürssen FPB 41 Patrol Boat. The two types of vessels would be custom built to answer Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Interior specific needs and requirements. Picture: Lürssen German shipbuilding company Lürssen will be in charge of assembling and delivering the patrol boats. It is reported that two types of vessels will be order should the contract be signed. No much information is available on the ship: The two types of vessels would be custom built to answer Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Interior specific needs and requirements.
The first rumors about the possibility of a mega-deal for the supply of patrol boats to Saudi Arabia was published by German newspaper Bild am Sonntag in February 2013. http://www.navyrecognition.com | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Lun 3 Fév 2014 - 13:58 | |
| plus que 100 meme hysterie quand tu nous tiens les essaims iraniens leur font peur _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Lun 3 Fév 2014 - 15:47 | |
| omg ils sont entrain de devenir une super puissance .... _________________ Pro rege, saepe, pro patria semper اقسم بالله العظيم ان اكون مخلصا لله و لملكي و ان اتفانى في خدمة وطني و دفع كل خطر يهدده و ان انفد اوامرقائدي الاعلى صاحب الجلالة | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Sam 8 Fév 2014 - 13:42 | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Sam 8 Fév 2014 - 14:19 | |
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- Lürssen : des précisions sur le projet de méga contrat de patrouilleurs pour l’Arabie saoudite
Le gouvernement allemand apportera sa garantie à la vente par le chantier Lürssen de Brême d’une centaine de patrouilleurs à l’Arabie saoudite. L’information a été donnée par le journal Der Spiegel sur son site internet le dimanche 2 février. Le contrat est évalué à 1,4 milliard d’euros. Selon Der Spiegel, le secrétaire d’État parlementaire au ministère fédéral des Finances, Steffen Kampeter, a adressé une lettre confidentielle en ce sens le 21 janvier à la commission du budget du Parlement fédéral. Dans ce courrier, le ministre souligne notamment « la grande importance pour l’emploi » de ce dossier. En février 2013, le journal allemand Bild am Sonntag indiquait déjà que le Conseil national de sécurité allemand avait donné son accord préliminaire à ce contrat. À l’époque, l’opposition avait fortement critiqué le projet. Cet obstacle politique est aujourd’hui levé, les sociaux-démocrates étant entrés dans le gouvernement de grande coalition de la chancelière Merkel. L’exportation d’armes demeure une question politiquement sensible en Allemagne compte tenu de son passé. Surtout si elles se font en direction de l’Arabie saoudite, pays qui n’a pas reconnu l’existence de l’État d’Israël. Les patrouilleurs sont destinés aux gardes frontières saoudiens. Un appel d’offres avait été lancé par le ministère de l’Intérieur saoudien voici quatre ans. Deux groupements français, l’un mené par Piriou, l’autre par Ocea, y avaient répondu. Par souci de ne pas présenter une offre exclusivement française, Piriou s’était associé à des fournisseurs américains. Mais les choses en sont restées là. En avril, le site Intelligence Online affirmait que DCNS envisageait de soumettre une offre pour ce marché des patrouilleurs à travers Kership, sa nouvelle joint-venture avec Piriou. Interrogée, la direction de DCNS nous a répondu : « Ni Kership ni DCNS n’ont à voir quelque chose là-dedans. » Ce marché de patrouilleurs se rattachait initialement au méga contrat Miksa destiné à sécuriser les frontières du royaume. Longtemps promis à la France, représentée par Thales, celui-ci avait finalement échu en 2009 au candidat de l’Allemagne, Cassidian (EADS). La volonté saoudienne de diversifier ses partenariats stratégiques pourrait aussi jouer dans l’attribution du marché des patrouilleurs. Olivier MÉLENNEC (Le Marin)
Source : le marin
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Mer 12 Fév 2014 - 13:36 | |
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- L’Arabie saoudite veut-elle l’arme nucléaire ?
L’Arabie saoudite souhaite disposer de l’arme nucléaire du Pakistan « en cas de nécessité absolue », a révélé la BBC, se référant à plusieurs sources haut placées du gouvernement américain et du commandement de l’Otan. L’une de ces sources, Gary Samore, ancien conseiller d’Obama pour la non-prolifération de l’arme nucléaire, a notamment déclaré que « Riyad est convaincu qu’il existe un accord avec le Pakistan prévoyant la mise à disposition de l’arme nucléaire pour les Saoudiens en cas de nécessité. Une autre source, cette fois anonyme et proche du commandement de l’Otan, affirme que selon les services de renseignements les ogives nucléaires pakistanaises seraient déjà prêtes à être envoyées en Arabie saoudite. Selon Roudik Iskoujine, expert du Moyen-Orient, les services de renseignement saoudiens et pakistanais travaillent en étroite collaboration depuis plusieurs décennies et le riche État arabe aurait très certainement pu financer le programme nucléaire d’Islamabad. « L’Arabie saoudite pourrait être impliquée dans la fabrication par le Pakistan de sa propre bombe nucléaire, de même qu’elle a participé au développement d’armements modernes dans beaucoup d’autres pays du monde arabe. Cet argent était, pour les Saoudiens, une sorte d’investissement dans la lutte contre Israël’, analyse Roudik Iskoujine. Et peu importe si Islamabad a développé son programme nucléaire en l’orientant avant tout sur l’Inde. Une arme aussi redoutable, entre les mains du Pakistan, serait de toute façon une « bombe de châtiment islamique » si elle était utilisée. Aujourd’hui pour l’Arabie saoudite, Israël a cédé sa place d’ennemi numéro 1 à l’Iran qui, selon certaines informations, poursuit le développement de sa propre arme nucléaire malgré la pression internationale. Selon certains chercheurs, notamment du respectable Institut américain pour la science et la sécurité internationale, Téhéran dispose déjà de toutes les technologies nécessaires et d’une quantité suffisante d’uranium enrichi pour terminer la fabrication de la bombe nucléaire. Le programme nucléaire de l’Iran chiite a tenu en haleine les sunnites saoudiens pendant des années. L’an dernier le roi saoudien Abdallah aurait même annoncé que son pays chercherait les moyens de se doter de l’arme nucléaire si l’Iran arrivait à fabriquer sa propre bombe, selon les diplomates américains. « Le Pakistan [tout comme Israël] n’a pas signé le Traité de non-prolifération de l’arme nucléaire : rien ne l’empêche d’envoyer ses ogives en Arabie saoudite. De plus, le pays dispose de ses propres missiles de moyenne portée, qui pourraient également être livrés à Riyad », estime l’expert militaire russe Dmitri Litovkine. D’après les sources ouvertes des renseignements israéliens, depuis la fin des années 1980 l’Arabie saoudite a activement travaillé sur la création de son propre matériel balistique d’une portée de 300 km. Par conséquent, il se pourrait qu’Islamabad n’ait à fournir que des ogives pour les vecteurs saoudiens. Il est à noter que Riyad prône un « Moyen-Orient non nucléaire » – c’est pourquoi il avait renoncé au développement de son propre programme nucléaire.
http://info-aviation.com/?p=15895
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Sam 15 Fév 2014 - 20:44 | |
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- February 15, 2014
GDLS Canada to Deliver Armored Vehicles Worth $10 Billion To Saudi-Arabia
General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) Canada has won a major arms procurement contract from Saudi Arabia, for the procurement of armored vehicles worth over $10 billion. The vehicles will follow a new design to be built at GDLS Canada plant at London, Ontario.
Two vehicle families are currently built at the plant – the Piranha based Light Armored Vehicle (LAV) and Ocelot originally designed by Force Protection Inc. The first vehicles will roll off the production line in 2016. The number of vehicles included in the deal has not been disclosed. The package includes training in Canada and Saudi Arabia, as well as logistical support.
The Saudi government has been shopping for light, fast and off-road maneuverable armored vehicles from different manufacturers since 2009.
Responding to criticism about selling arms to a country that have systematically violated human rights, the Canadian Government defended the deal saying that the Saudi deal will create and sustain more than 3,000 jobs a year for 14 years and will benefit 500 Canadian companies. “Canada won these jobs over rival bids from our western allies Germany and France. We supported this agreement to bring these jobs to Canada.” Trade Minister Ed Fast said, adding that the value of the deal could climb to nearly $14 billion if all options are exercised.
The contract with the Saudis follows an agreement last year that saw General Dynamics win a $65.3-million US contract with the Colombian government for the acquisition of 24 light armored vehicles. General Dynamics continues to bid for other international orders, including one from Morocco.
In contrast, last December the Canadian Ministry of Defense cancelled the procurement of 108 ‘Close Combat Vehicles’ (CCV) in a deal that would have worth $2 billions. GDLS Canada, the French Nexter and KMW of Germany were all competing for this program. http://defense-update.com/20140215_gdls-canada-saudi-arabia.html GDLS is currently producing the upgrade kits for the Canadian LAV III vehicles (LAV UP) for the Canadian Army. Photo: GDLS CanadaGDLS Canada is currently producing at London, Ontario the Ocelot light armored vehicle and the Piranha based LAV 8×8 vehicle. Photo: DLS Canada. _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Dim 16 Fév 2014 - 1:11 | |
| 10B quand meme, sa promet une sacré flotte, à moin que cela soit encore un contrat gag.
les contrat khaliji, me donne le tournis
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Jeu 20 Fév 2014 - 14:26 | |
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- BAE Agrees on Saudi Jet Order Pricing
LONDON—BAE Systems PLC said Wednesday that it had completed long-running talks about the repricing of a multibillion-dollar deal to sell Typhoon fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, providing a boost for the U.K.'s biggest defense company amid deep spending cuts in the U.S., its largest market.
BAE said the newly agreed pricing, which it didn't specify, would keep its 2013 results broadly in line with previous guidance for double-digit growth in underlying earnings for the full year. The company is to report results Thursday.
The agreement brings to an end the repricing negotiations with Saudi Arabia on a contract agreed to in 2007 for 72 Eurofighter Typhoon jets. At the time, the deal was worth about £4.5 billion ($7.5 billion), according to industry research.
BAE expects the pact to trigger a follow-up order for 48 more Typhoon jets by the end of 2014 or in 2015.
Christophe Menard , an analyst at Kepler Cheuvreux, said the agreement lifted "one of the long-lasting concerns on the stock" which might now lead to an acceleratiion of the company's share-buyback program. BAE's shares rose more than 3% in early London trading but were up 0.9% to 441 pence at midday.
BAE faces stiff competition in export markets and needed the Saudi business to help offset cuts in military spending in the U.S. and Europe.
The maker of Challenger tanks and aircraft carriers is the largest foreign supplier to the Pentagon, which accounts for 39% of its sales, topping the U.K., which generates 33% of total revenue. Saudi Arabia and Australia account for 13% and 7% respectively of total revenue.
"This is an equitable outcome for all parties," said BAE Chief Executive Ian King . "I am pleased that we have been able to conclude this negotiation which builds on our long-standing relationship with this much-valued customer."
The Saudi order is the only major contract secured for the Eurofighter planes outside Europe. The Eurofighter consortium includes Airbus Group EADSY -0.88% NV and Italy's Finmeccanica SpA.
The Typhoon has struggled to win export orders beyond the European countries that funded its development. Its exit from a contest to sell jets to the United Arab Emirates in December was a blow for a multibillion-dollar program that could be forced to wind down by 2018 for lack of new business. http://www.marketwatch.com | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Dim 23 Fév 2014 - 2:13 | |
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- the P-8. Although he declined to name names, Boeing officials have previously said that interest has been received from Canada, Italy, Norway, Saudi Arabia, and the UK
http://www.janes.com/article/34419/australia-signs-up-for-poseidon | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Mer 26 Fév 2014 - 11:49 | |
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- India to sign defence pact with S Arabia
NEW DELHI, Feb 24, 2014, DHNS:
India and Saudi Arabia will sign a defence cooperation agreement during the visit of the kingdom’s crown prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud to New Delhi this week.
Al Saud, who is also the deputy prime minister and defence minister of his country, will arrive in New Delhi for a three-day visit. He will call on President Pranab Mukherjee and meet Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. He will also have bilateral talks with Vice-President M Hamid Ansari.
During Singh’s official visit to Riyadh in 2010, India and Saudi Arabia upgraded their bilateral engagement to a “strategic partnership”, covering security, economy, defence and politics. The two countries decided to negotiate a deal to boost bilateral defence cooperation during Defence Minister A K Antony’s visit to Riyadh in February 2012.
“India finds Saudi Arabia a very willing partner in terms of security and defence dialogue. Our cooperation has increased enormously. There has been regular dialogue between India and Saudi Arabia on these matters,” said Mridul Kumar, Joint Secretary (Gulf) to the Ministry of External Affairs.
The agreement, which New Delhi and Riyadh are now set to sign, will explore possibility of cooperation between the defence industries of the two countries http://www.deccanherald.com | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Mer 26 Fév 2014 - 15:35 | |
| Saudi Ballistic Missiles Secretly Upgraded - Citation :
- It was recently revealed that the United States agreed to allow (or at least not try to interfere with) Saudi Arabia replacing its older Chinese DF-3 ballistic missiles with more reliable and accurate Chinese DF-21s. This was done in 2007-8 on condition that the Saudi DF-21s were modified so they could not carry a nuclear warhead and American experts could inspect the missiles to ensure compliance. China bought about a dozen launchers and over a hundred DF-3s in the late 1980s. The DF-3 was liquid fueled and had a guidance system that would land the warhead within 300 meters of the aiming point. This sort of accuracy was OK for a nuclear warhead but seriously lowered effectiveness when the missile was carrying a conventional warhead, which was all the Saudis could use. It was believed the Saudis would use these missiles to attack cities and large military bases, where a two ton explosive warhead or one carry bomblets could do some significant damage despite the poor accuracy. The DF-3 has a range of 3,000 kilometers. The DF-3 weighed over 70 tons, used 1950s technology and entered Chinese service in the 1970s and was gradually retired from service during the last two decades. The DF-3 was based on the Russian SS-5, which entered service in the early 1960s and was retired by 1989. Since the DF-3 was liquid fueled it required several hours to prepare for firing.
The DF-21 is a 15 ton solid fuel missile that is ready to fire in minutes and can hit within 30 meters of the aiming point. It only has a one ton warhead and a range of 1,700 kilometers. The DF-21 is accurate enough to be fired at smaller targets like headquarters, or compounds where senior leaders live. It’s not known how many DF-21s the Saudis bought, but they apparently still have at least a dozen launchers. The DF-21 can also be fired from a mobile launcher, but the Saudis do not appear to have any of these. The Saudi ballistic missiles have always been stationed at tightly guarded bases out in the desert.
Iran is the main target for the Saudi missiles. Iran has several dozen ballistic missiles that could reach the Saudi missile bases, but Iran’s official position is that their ballistic missiles are meant for Israel. The Saudis also indicate that their ballistic missiles are meant for Israel as well as Iran. In 2013 satellite photos of a Saudi Arabian ballistic missile base showed some of the launching pads (for the Chinese ballistic missiles) touched up with arrows painted on the pavement, one pointing towards Israel and the other towards Iran. Mass media picked up on this and began running headlines of Saudi missiles aimed at Israel. That gave a distorted view of current Arab-Israeli relations. While the Saudis would certainly point their missiles at Iran, the arrow pointing towards Israel is probably their more to placate Saudi extremists than as an indication of Saudi military strategy.
For over a decade now, Israel has been building relationships, often in secret, with its neighbors, especially Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE (United Arab Emirates). Although the decades of “hate Israel” propaganda in these countries makes it difficult to openly negotiate, the growing threat of Iranian nuclear weapons has made Israel an attractive ally for the Arab Sunni states threatened by Shia Iran. The U.S. is currently trying to broker a secret military alliance involving Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. This would include giving Israel access to data from Arab and Turkish radar stations near Iran, while also providing these nations with data from the Israeli missile early-warning system. There would also be arrangements on how Israel could participate in defending its new allies if Iran attacked. Finally, there is the fact that Israel is a nuclear power and once this proposed alliance is revealed (or even if it is known but officially denied), Iran would have to worry about Israeli retaliation even if only the Arab Gulf states or Turkey were threatened. Thus, the Saudi missile base arrow pointing at Iran made sense, the arrow towards Israel was a sop to the many Saudis who have not updated their enemies list lately.
While working out the details of this new alliance is the easy part, making it public and implementing it completely could be a problem. Arab governments have officially demonized Israel for so long that a large segment (probably still a majority) of their populations would react violently and be instinctively hostile to formal announcement of an alliance with Israel. Thus some of the diplomats involved are suggesting a secret treaty. This is not a new concept, as such secret deals have been used for thousands of years. But in the age of the Internet and speedy and abundant global media, such deals can have explosive consequences once revealed and are difficult to keep secret. The proposed deal would only be made public when it had to, as during a crisis with Iran. At that point, fear of Iran would calm many Arabs who would otherwise hit the streets to violently protest any deals with Israel.
This sort of deal making is not new. Israel has had official and unofficial arrangements with all these nations over the years. Jordan has been quite open about their security and intelligence arrangements with Israel, which go back over 30 years. The unofficial intelligence sharing has been more common over the last two decades. The reason is the growing threat of Islamic terrorism, although before the 1990s the Arabs were more concerned with secular Moslem terrorists. But these have largely been replaced by the religious fanatics, who still get a lot of unofficial support (cash and sympathizers) from Arabia, where most modern Islamic radicalism has been nurtured and encouraged for centuries. Many educated and entrepreneurial Arabs would also like access to the Israeli market (for goods, technology, and joint ventures). But the Arabs will have to work through their anti-Semitism first. The arrow pointing towards Israel shows that there’s still a ways to go.
In any event the Saudis have expressed more hostility for Iran than Israel over the last few years and given that Israel has ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads, intentionally targeting Israel would be very foolish. If anything the Israeli nuclear missiles help protect Saudi Arabia from Iran because the Iranians know that the Israelis would not hesitate to nuke Iran if the Iranians fired their missiles towards Israel, or Saudi Arabia. To Israeli missile-defense radars a ballistic missile aimed at Saudi Arabia looks just like one aimed at Israel, at least as the missile rose some 500 kilometers into the edge of space and then turned west. http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Saudi-Ballistic-Missiles-Secretly-Upgraded-2-24-2014.asp | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Mer 26 Fév 2014 - 15:54 | |
| the Kohl and Schröder governments now prepared to deliver tanks to Saudi Arabia - Citation :
- "I put Merkel at No 1 because, unlike the Kohl and Schröder governments, she's now prepared to deliver tanks to Saudi Arabia, which was taboo before, and she was quoted as saying [at a political foundation event in 2011] that Germany will in future send fewer soldiers, but more weapons to conflict zones," he said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/25/oberndorf-german-town-armed-world-heckler-kock - Citation :
- The Israelis are concerned too about Merkel's new policy of boosting German arms exports, and its efforts to sell Egypt two Type-209 submarines and hundreds of Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia and other Arab states.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2014/02/25/Despite-political-rift-Germany-boosts-military-aid-to-Israel/UPI-71511393357734/#ixzz2uPjHV6Ws | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Sam 8 Mar 2014 - 8:57 | |
| 06/03/14 Tornad IDS durant British Green Flag 24/02/14 Départ de 2 Typhoon vers l'AS, ils étaient en escale à Malte _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia Mar 11 Mar 2014 - 23:42 | |
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- A prospect for Thales is a sale of the Crotale New Generation missile to Saudi Arabia worth €4 billion, website La Tribune reported.
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140311/DEFREG03/303110022/Indonesia-Looks-Buy-European-Missiles-Through-Foreign-Loans | |
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