Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia

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WASHINGTON, November 28, 2012 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress November 26 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for technical services to recertify the functional shelf life of up to 300 PATRIOT Advanced Capability-2 (PAC-2) (MIM-104D) Guidance Enhanced Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training nd logistical support for an estimated cost of $130 million.
The Government of Saudi Arabia has requested a possible sale of technical services to recertify the functional shelf life of up to 300 PATRIOT Advanced Capability-2 (PAC-2) (MIM-104D) Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM), modernization of existing equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, U.S. Government and contractor representatives logistics, engineering, and technical support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $130 million.
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of an important partner which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East.
The proposed recertification program will allow the Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces to extend the shelf life of the PAC-2 missiles in its inventory for an additional twelve years.
The proposed recertification program will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Raytheon Corporation in Andover, Massachusetts. The recertification process will be performed by Letterkenny Army Depot in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale
Implementation of this proposed sale will require one contractor representative to travel to the Missile Assembly Disassembly Facility in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on an extended basis for missile assembly/disassembly support, system checkout, training and technical and logistics support.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2012/Saudi_Arabia_12-65.pdf

bizarre…. Seulement recertification program ?
Après les commandes des voisins et surtout la dernière commande d’avant hier pour le C4I je m’attendais plutôt à une commande THAAD ou PAC3…bizarre

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Boeing today rolled out the F-15SA


ST. LOUIS, April 30, 2013 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] today rolled out the F-15SA, ushering in a new era in fighter aircraft capability and affordability for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

The F-15SA, the newest variant of the combat-proven F-15, provides improved performance and increased survivability at a lower life-cycle cost. The aircraft has two additional wing stations for increased payload and capability.

"We look forward to receiving the advanced capabilities of the F-15SA aircraft to continue to protect the security and stability of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia," said Lt. Gen. Mohammed Bin Abdullah Al-Ayeesh, commander, Royal Saudi Air Force. "Our relationship with the U.S. Air Force and The Boeing Company has helped to ensure the Royal Saudi Air Force remains among the best-equipped air forces in the world."

Flight testing began this year on the F-15SA. The Royal Saudi Air Force has operated F-15S fighters since the 1990s.

"The Kingdom and Boeing have been partners for 65 years and our partnership goes beyond the innovative products and services we provide," said Dennis Muilenburg, Boeing Defense, Space & Security president and CEO. "Equally as important are the excellent collaborations between Boeing and Saudi educational and industrial organizations."

Boeing established many of the offset companies in Saudi Arabia, including Alsalam Aircraft Company, in which Boeing currently holds the largest stake. Boeing also co-founded Alfaisal University, the first private university in Saudi Arabia, as well as the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology Industrial Collaboration Program. Boeing is also developing educational and training projects with the King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology and the Technical & Vocational Training Corporation.

"The F-15SA will enhance the national security objectives of both the United States and the Kingdom with improved interoperability and common training and support well into the 21st century," said Lt. Gen. C.D. Moore, the U.S. Air Force's decision authority for the F-15SA program.

A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is one of the world's largest defense, space and security businesses specializing in innovative and capabilities-driven customer solutions, and the world's largest and most versatile manufacturer of military aircraft. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is a $33 billion business with 59,000 employees worldwide. Follow us on Twitter: @BoeingDefense.

boeing.mediaroom.com

Des Ceasar Saoudiens sur châssi Unimog .. je pense qu'on en a jamais parlé de ce deal

si cet article de charly en parlait

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Pour la Garde nationale saoudienne utilise un Unimog U5000 Daimler châssis avec cabine Soframe

https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/t3542p45-industrie-de-defense-francaise

pekhhh

Tornado IDS

ils sortent d'un upgrade ?

c'est le dernier Tornado de la RSAF upgradé

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Royal Saudi Air Force Tornado IDS flying as part of the Tornado sustainment programme from BAE Warton and is due to return back to Saudi shortly. BAE systems have upgraded all the RSAF Tornados, this is the final one getting ready for a shake down flight prior to delivery back to Saudi Arabia

airlines

thanks Amiral

mais les photos des tornado n’appartiennent pas aux RSAF

après vérification je retire ce que j'ai dit

www.ukserials.com/prodlists.php?type=1100

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DCNS en Arabie Saoudite ne peuvent pas jouer sur deux tableaux

Nervosité sur ce que le megakontrakta signant la mise à niveau des frégates Al Medinah constamment retardée, DCNS s'intéresse à de nouveaux marchés en Arabie Saoudite. En Mars, président du groupe Patrick Boissier (Patrick Boissier) a visité Riyad afin de présenter le système de patrouiller les eaux territoriales. Initialement, le système faisait partie du contrat pour l'achat de navires de patrouille Miksa, les offres pour lesquelles ont été envoyés en 2009, cependant, après un an, le contrat a été annulé, selon la version officielle, en raison de la non-conformité de l'offre. Le volume de ce marché est estimé à 1,2 milliards d'euros, ce qui est comparable avec le contrat pour la modernisation de la frégate, qui vainement pour battre DCNS. En Arabie saoudite, DCNS a travaillé avec Pierre Pulizakom (Pierre Poulizac), qui est responsable de la direction navale de ODAS - structure d'entreprise de l'industrie de défense française dans le pays.

Sur le marché des eaux territoriales de patrouille saoudiennes ont vu le Lürssen du chantier naval allemand. L'été dernier, à l'initiative de l'Ambassadeur d'Allemagne Lürssen, qui a pris part aux appels d'offres, entamé des négociations exclusives avec le marché du pays pour les navires de patrouille. Mais ils étaient de nature générale et aucun accord n'a été atteint.

DCNS prévoit de soumettre une offre publique d'achat pour les navires utilisant sa joint-venture avec le chantier naval Piriou (ville de Concarneau), qui se spécialise dans la construction de navires de patrouille.

http://periscope2.ru/2013/05/06/7398/

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The Boeing Co., Mesa, Ariz., was awarded a $26,067,485 modification (P00007), to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price, foreign military sales (FMS) contract W58RGZ-12-C-0089, for training and support of the Apache Block III helicopter program. This FMS contract is in support of Saudi Arabia. The cumulative total face value of this contract is $216,229,550. Fiscal 2013 Procurement funds are being obligated on this award. The Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity.

defense.gov

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BAE resumes Typhoon deliveries to Saudi Arabia

BAE Systems has resumed Eurofighter Typhoon deliveries to Saudi Arabia, despite the company having yet to conclude long-running price negotiations with Riyadh for part of the 72-aircraft acquisition.

"Discussions continue with the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia relating to the formalisation of price escalation on the Salam Typhoon programme," BAE says in an interim management statement issued on 8 May. However, it reveals "aircraft deliveries on the programme re-commenced in April".

The Royal Saudi Air Force received 24 Typhoons from BAE between 2008 and 2011, including six two-seat trainers, says Flightglobal's MiliCAS database. Its remaining 48 aircraft are also to be completed at the company's Warton site in Lancashire, with a contract modification signed in 2012 having enabled final assembly activities to resume. Continuing price discussions are focused on the addition of new capabilities to the service's final 24 examples.

Photographs posted on the internet since early this year have shown several new Typhoon trainers being flown from Warton and operating in UK low-level training areas with Saudi markings and tail registrations including 318, 321 and 322.

BAE declines to comment further on the recent deliveries, but one other source suggests that two new aircraft have been handed over so far.

Elsewhere in its statement, BAE says it has secured fresh orders valued at £2.3 billion ($3.5 billion) from customers outside the UK and the USA so far this calendar year. This included a £600 million contract received in May to provide undisclosed weapons via the Saudi British Defence Co-operation Programme.

The company says it expects modest growth in underlying earnings per share during 2013, despite the potential risks posed by US defence spending cuts and the ongoing Typhoon price discussions with Riyadh.

/www.flightglobal.com

L'Arabie saoudite aurait acheté des chars Altay pour des tests.. Pas de confirmation officielle.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20130508.aspx

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L'Arabie saoudite aurait acheté des chars Altay.. Pas de confirmation officielle.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20130508.aspx

Quelle est la réputation de ce site ?

Ce que je trouve bizarre c'est qu'ils disent "pour remplacer urgemment les AMX-30", remplacer avec un char toujours en phase de tests de prototype

Ces infos sur Altay, Firtina, ANKA, circulent depuis quelques semaines pour l'AS, ils disent que les généraux ont une enveloppe de 2 milliards $ à claquer avec la Turquie.

Un site Turc qui en parle déjà en avril dernier ...

http://haber.gazetevatan.com/anka-ve-altaya-surpriz-talip/532031/1/gundem

Prenons tout ça avec des pincettes

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Défense : Safran et MBDA vont armer les avions de combat saoudiens Tornado
Michel Cabirol | 14/05/2013

BAE Systems a signé un nouveau contrat évalué à 3 à 4 milliards de livres avec Ryad pour l'armement de ses vieux avions de combat Tornado. Le groupe britannique fait monter à bord de ces appareils MBDA (missiles Brimstone, Storm Shadow), Safran (bombe guidée AASM) et Diehl BGT Defence (IRIS-T).


C'est une bonne nouvelle pour MBDA et Sagem (groupe Safran) qui vont équiper les avions de combat saoudiens Tornado dans le cadre de la troisième tranche de modernisation du programme TSP (Tornado Sustainment Programme) négociée par BAE Systems avec Ryad, selon des sources concordantes. Cette tranche concerne l'armement tactique des avions de combat saoudien Tornado, à l'exception d'un lot complémentaire de missiles de croisière. Le missilier européen, toujours en attente d'un contrat majeur notamment en Inde (le missile sol-air SRSAM ou armement du Rafale) fournira à l'armée de l'air saoudienne le missile air-sol britannique le Dual-Mode Brimstone, fabriqué pour la Royal Air Force. Il est équipé d'un guidage laser et d'un radar millimétrique, ceci afin de le rendre plus efficace contre des cibles mobiles. Pour le moment, il n'est intégré que sur Tornado GR4 et a été utilisé en Irak (opération Telic), en Afghanistan (opération Herrick) et en Libye. En outre, MBDA fournira à l'armée de l'air saoudienne un lot supplémentaire de missiles de croisière Storm Shadow. Soit environ une commande évaluée pour MBDA à 500 millions d'euros.

Des missiles pour Dhiel BGT Defence

La filiale défense de Safran, Sagem, livrera quant à elle la bombe guidée laser AASM (Armement air-sol modulaire), qui permet de détruire des cibles statiques ou mobiles (chars, navires...) avec une précision inférieure à un mètre. Pour cette commande, Sagem n'est pas passé par MBDA, avec qui pourtant elle est liée commercialement sur la vente de ces missiles. La Direction générale de l'armement (DGA) a prononcé la qualification de l'AASM en version à guidage terminal laser le 3 avril 2013. L'AASM est constitué d'un kit de guidage et d'un kit d'augmentation de portée se montant sur des corps de bombe standard. Cet ensemble permet de tirer à distance de sécurité de la cible (plus de 50 km) hors de portée des défenses sol-air adverses, dans toutes les conditions météorologiques, de jour comme de nuit. La DGA a commandé 380 exemplaires de l'AASM laser à Sagem. Enfin, l'Arabie saoudite a commandé des missiles air-air courte portée à guidage infrarouge IRIS-T à Diehl BGT Defence. Au total, le contrat devrait s'élever pour BAE Systems entre 3 et 4 milliards de livres (3,5 et 4,7 milliards d'euros).

Une série de contrats lucratifs

Cette nouvelle commande a été conclue dans le cadre de l'accord général baptisé Saudi British defence Cooperation Programme, qui lie les deux capitales Londres et Ryad depuis le 21 décembre 2005. Depuis la signature de ce partenariat, BAE Systems a signé de nombreux contrats. En septembre 2006, le groupe britannique a modernisé à mi-vie les Tornado (2,5 milliards de livres, 2,94 milliards d'euros), livré pour 1 milliard de livres d'armement (1,17 milliard d'euros) d'armement (TSP) à l'été 2009, signé un contrat de support (Salam Support Solutions) pour 500 millions de livres (590 millions d'euros) à l'automne 2009, avec une extension de 6 mois, trois ans plus tard. En outre, BAE Systems a vendu des avions d'entraînement Hawk AJT et des Pilatus PC-21 pour 1,6 milliard de livres (1,88 milliard d'euros) en mai 2012, et surtout dans le cadre du contrat Al Salam (la paix) a obtenu une commande de 72 Typhoon (4,5 milliards de livres, 5,3 milliards d'euros, en septembre 2007. Ces Tornado devraient voler jusqu'en 2020-2025.

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/20130513trib000764268/defense-safran-et-mbda-vont-armer-les-avions-de-combat-saoudiens-tornado.html

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Saudi Arabia buying South African Denel armed drone




Saudi Arabia is buying an armed drone from South Africa after the Obama administration declined to sell the oil-rich kingdom U.S. Predator or Reaper missile-firing unmanned aircraft.

The state-owned South African company Denel Dynamics is working covertly with the Saudis to develop the Seeker 400 drone into an armed combat system for the Saudi military, the Paris-based newsletter Intelligence Online reported March 27.

The Seeker 400 is an advanced version of the company’s Seeker II unarmed surveillance aircraft.

The newsletter stated that the Saudi military would be the first customer to purchase the Seeker 400 armed drone and engineers from Denel are in the kingdom as part of the secret program.

If completed, the sale would allow Saudi Arabia to join the growing number of militaries that operate missile-firing drones—the most advanced weapon currently in use to launch precision strikes on terrorists.

Drone warfare has become the hallmark of the CIA, which is aggressively pursuing terrorists with drone missiles in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s frontier region, Yemen, the Horn of Africa, and elsewhere.

The new drone will be equipped with South Africa’s Mokopa air-to-ground missiles that are currently deployed on Algerian helicopters. The drone also can be outfitted with Impi laser-guided missiles with a range of 10 kilometers.

The drones are believed to be sought by the Saudis for use against the terrorist group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which is currently operating in Yemen and has conducted international operations against the United States.

Riyadh has been trying to purchase missile-firing drones from the United States but so far the requests have been denied.

The United Arab Emirates is purchasing an unarmed export version of the Predator called the Predator XP, produced by General Atomics.

According to the newsletter, the Saudis have sought armed drones for several years and want the weapons to counter Iran’s unmanned combat vehicles known as the Karrar and the Shahed 129, which are fitted with Shahid-1 missiles.

“Because it could not procure drones from China, which is allied to Iran, nor from Israel, Riyadh turned to South Africa,” the newsletter stated.

However, Saudi Arabia lacks the infrastructure needed to operate drones. The systems require satellite communications that permit remote video and communications that allow drones to be piloted.

The Seeker 400 can fly for 16 hours and has a range of 250 kilometers with a 100-kilogram payload.

Saudi Arabia’s Prince Sultan Advanced Technologies Research Institute (PSATRI), a joint project of the Saudi air force and the King Fahd University, is also developing surveillance drones for use along the southern Saudi border, the newsletter stated.

Spokesmen for Denel and the Saudi Embassy could not be reached for comment.

News reports in February revealed that Saudi Arabia is hosting a U.S. attack drone base in the southern part of the country that was revealed in satellite imagery.

These satellite images show a remote airstrip deep in the desert of Saudi Arabia. It may or may not be the secret U.S. drone base revealed by reporters earlier this week.

However, the base’s hangars bear a remarkable resemblance to similar structures found on other American drone outposts. And its remote location—dozens of miles from the nearest highway, and farther still to the nearest town—suggests that this may be more than the average civilian airstrip.

The base had been kept secret for two years until disclosed in reports by the Washington Post and New York Times in February.

The base was used for the drone strike in September 2011 that killed American-born al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki.

http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=2370&newst=5

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Saudi Special Forces in Tiger 2 exercises

Très intéressant , notre SPH "Firtina" en tests en KSA, les rumeurs ne seraient pas infondées

C'est bien des soldats Turcs, non?

Tu oublie de citer l'obusier Panter..

Selon ce journal, l'Arabie saoudite serait intéressé par le drone Anka, le char Altay et les roquettes Cirit.. On aurait même vendu des Anka à l'Arabie saoudite.

http://www.dunyabulteni.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=260779

Rien de ton coté Inanç?

Ces informations viennent après le traité militaire dans le domaine industriel.

A noté, le commandant des forces aériennes turques ce trouve en Arabie saoudite..

http://www.timeturk.com/tr/2013/05/21/hava-kuvvetleri-komutani-erten-suudi-arabistan-da.html

Comme tu le sais aussi, y a beaucoup de rumeurs concernant l'Arabie Saoudite concernant les Anka, Altay, Firtina essentiellement.

Il me semblait qu'ils avaient conclu un accord avec les SudAf pour des drones armés.

http://www.uasvision.com/2013/04/04/saudi-arabia-to-buy-armed-seeker-from-south-africa/

Ils s'intéressaient aussi au Leo2A7 Allemand pour le MBT.

Le contenu de cet accord de coopération va sans doute fuiter dans la presse spécialisée mais je pense qu'il peut y avoir du lourd car c'est pas signé par des petits bras (le Prince Héritier Salmane et Davutoglu).

Quand je vois les tests de Howitzer, ça montre quand même un intérêt.

Après notre weakness c'est les composants Allemand qui peuvent nous embêter sur ce type de clients.

Faut attendre mais j'ai pas d'éléments.

Après pour le Cirit, c'est likely, Roketsan espère signer un 2e contrat export cette année, reste à savoir avec qui

Tout comme TAI espère signer un 2e contrat export pour l'Anka.

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Après notre weakness c'est les composants Allemand qui peuvent nous embêter sur ce type de clients.

Tu pense au moteur MTU de l'Altay?

A ce propos, j'ai vu en kiosque ce matin une revue militaire avec un numéro spécial sur l'Altay. Je retrouve les références et te les postent.

PGM

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C'est bien des soldats Turcs, non?

Tu oublie de citer l'obusier Panter..

Je sais pas de quand date les tests mais le Panter dans sa version initiale, je les vois mal le prendre.

D'après ce que je sais, le Panter n'est pas très performant, les TSK en ont réceptionné une 40aine ce qui est assez faible, malgré un export aux Pakistanais.

MKEK va upgrader les Panter dans l'inventaire avec Aselsan, si c'est concluant, les TSK devraient repasser une commande.

Peut-être que cette version upgradée sera exportable.

Deux bonnes nouvelles.. Des centaines de chars Altay pour l'Arabie saoudite?

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The German government has put off a decision on a tank sale to Saudi Arabia until after the federal election in September, a defence source said.

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/INTNEWS_235257.html

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Syria war may bring Saudi deal for Altay

Turkish arms makers and defense officials are expecting to win more contracts from the Sunni bloc of countries, spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, as political solidarity with Turkey over the Syrian civil war deepens and could pave the way for “preferential treatment” in defense deals.

“The Sunni bloc now actively engaged in efforts to oust [Syrian President Bashar] al-Assad have been good clients for Turkey’s weapons industry. Now there are indications that their political alliance with Ankara may facilitate bigger contracts,” said one top defense industry official.

An executive from a Turkish armored vehicles manufacturer said that reinforced alliances with some of the Gulf countries over the Syrian crisis have already indicated that new contracts could be in the offing for the Turkish arms industry. “I can say that we are more warmly welcomed in certain [Gulf] capitals than before. Our counterparts have made it clear that almost excellent political relations their countries have with Turkey could soon turn into new business opportunities for Turkish defense companies,” he said.

In 2012, Saudi Arabia was Turkey’s third largest defense industry customer, with Turkish exports valued at $99 million, or 7.8 percent of Turkey’s entire defense and aerospace exports worth $1.262 billion. Turkish defense exports to the United Arab Emirates totaled $101 million, and to the Shia-majority but Sunni-ruled Bahrain $91 million in the same year. The three Gulf countries altogether accounted for nearly a quarter of Turkey’s all defense exports in 2012.

Officials said Turkish armored vehicles maker Otokar, a subsidiary of Koç Holding, could sell to Saudi Arabia hundreds of the Altay, the third generation tank it is currently developing.

A source at the defense procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), said a Saudi order for the Altay in the near future was “quite probable.”

“The Altay is not available for immediate sale, but is potentially a powerful export product when you think of a medium-term deal. Saudis are good customers with available cash, good political ties and their need for new tanks. We are hopeful about a future deal [for the Altay],” the official said.

Saudi Arabia has 320 elderly AMX-30 French tanks in need of replacement. Saudi Arabia and Turkey, along with Qatar, are spearheading efforts to oust Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad. Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar support rebel forces fighting al-Assad’s army in a civil war that has taken nearly 100,000 lives in two years. “Adding a defense industry dimension to their ties would augment the Turkish-Saudi alliance against Iran,” said a western military attaché here.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia reiterated their common understanding on the civil war in Syria, during a visit by Saudi Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz to Ankara May 21. Following his talks with President Abdullah Gul, Salman met with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu May 22. “We fully agree on the urgent need to stop the bloodshed in Syria. We also agree that our efforts for peace there should be coordinated. It was a useful wrap up [meeting] ahead of the Geneva conference,” a Turkish diplomat said.

Koç Holding’s Otokar designed and is producing prototypes of the Altay in a deal to sell in four tranches of 250 units each to the Turkish military. The Turkish Army currently has in its inventory 720 German-made Leopard 1 and 2 tanks, 930 American M-60s and 1,370 M-48s, most of which are Cold War era tanks and need replacement.

Defense industry sources said that Otokar’s rival in any Saudi tank deal could be the French Leclerc. Earlier, France proposed replacing Saudi Arabia’s French-made AMX-30s with the AMX-56 Leclerc. However, sources say the 65-ton Altay would better meet the Saudi requirement than the 55-ton Leclerc. The Altay is similar in many ways to the 400 M1 tanks the Saudis have (in service or on order): both have a 120mm gun, composite armor, and high-end electronics.

Last November, Otokar unveiled the Altay with top government officials promising that the program would be completed “one or two years” ahead of time. In 2008, Otokar signed a $500 million contract with the country’s procurement office, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries. Under the deal, Otokar will finish building four prototypes of the Altay this year, two years ahead of the original schedule. The four prototypes will undergo performance tests throughout 2013.

The SSM selected South Korea’s Hyundai Rotem for the overall technical support. Turkey’s Aselsan was chosen as the Fire Control System and Command, Control and Communications Information system subcontractor. Also the state-owned MKEK was selected as the subcontractor for the 120mm primary weapon and Roketsan was tasked with the job of providing the armor.

Procurement officials say that the serial-production agreement for the Altay would be effective probably in 2017, together with the expected foreign orders.

Otokar also produces several other armored vehicles, the most known of which is Cobra, a 4X4 vehicle, used for reconnaissance and area control purposes by the Turkish security forces and the armies of several other countries. Earlier this month, Otokar revealed its first tracked armored tactical vehicle, the Tulpar.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-war-may-bring-saudi-deal-for-altay.aspx?pageID=238&nID=47485&NewsCatID=483

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Deux bonnes nouvelles.. Des centaines de chars Altay pour l'Arabie saoudite?

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The German government has put off a decision on a tank sale to Saudi Arabia until after the federal election in September, a defence source said.

en quoi bonne nouvelle
au contraire,si Merkel voulait dire NEIN elle l´aurait dit,mais elle reporte ca jusqu´a l´apres elections,donc dans 4 mois seulement,ce qui est un signe qui ne trompe pas..

Bof, Merkel peut dire oui, la décision finale revient au parlement. On verra ce qu'il sera après les élections.