Armée Saoudienne / Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia

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http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/saudi_arabia.htm

15 Tornado
20 F-15

YASSINE a écrit:

avec tout ca un geste comme il viennent de faire avec 30millard ne peut que les rendre plus favorable pour la politique Saoudienne et en plus si ca peut aider l'indutrie USA a sortir la tete de l'eau
NB: y a pas que les saoude qui ont de tel somme investi au USA les Isra aussi ont des investissement non négligeable et dans des domaines tres sensible, et puis c'est pas le souk on retire pas sont argent comme ca d'un pays encore moins de la plus grande puissance, si non les iranien l'aurai fais depuis des lustres

Retirer non, mais investir ailleurs, en chine par exemple, ça suffit à alerter et à faire réfléchir. Regarde nous, on achète des mbt chinois pour que les européens et les américains comprennent qu'il y a d'autres fournisseurs fiable et qu'il faudra dorénavant apprendre à négocier les prix.

On vous vend l’avion mais sans les systèmes d'armes à longue portée décidément c israel qui gouverne le monde sans doute

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Report: U.S. Plans F-15 Jets Sale to Saudi Arabia
WASHINGTON - The United States is considering selling 84 advanced F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia but without long-range weapons systems objected to by Israel, The Wall Street Journal reported late Aug. 8.

Citing unnamed diplomats and officials, the newspaper said the proposed $30 billion, 10-year package has been under negotiation for months and has generated a lot of tensions
Israeli officials have been concerned that the administration of President Obama risked undermining Israel's regional military advantage, the report said.
But U.S. officials said they had provided "clarifications" about the deal to help address Israel's concern, the paper said.
Two officials close to the negotiations said Israel still had some reservations, but was not expected to challenge the sale by lobbying Congress, The Journal noted.
Under the proposed sale, the 84 F-15s for Saudi Arabia will have onboard targeting systems similar to those offered to other foreign governments, the paper said.
But to assuage Israel's concerns, the Obama administration has decided not to offer Saudi Arabia so-called standoff systems, which are advanced long-range weapons that can be attached to F-15s for use in offensive operations against land- and sea-based targets, The Journal noted

defensenews

MAATAWI a écrit:

On vous vend l’avion mais sans les systèmes d'armes à longue portée décidément c israel qui gouverne le monde sans doute

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Report: U.S. Plans F-15 Jets Sale to Saudi Arabia
WASHINGTON - The United States is considering selling 84 advanced F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia but without long-range weapons systems objected to by Israel, The Wall Street Journal reported late Aug. 8.

Citing unnamed diplomats and officials, the newspaper said the proposed $30 billion, 10-year package has been under negotiation for months and has generated a lot of tensions
Israeli officials have been concerned that the administration of President Obama risked undermining Israel's regional military advantage, the report said.
But U.S. officials said they had provided "clarifications" about the deal to help address Israel's concern, the paper said.
Two officials close to the negotiations said Israel still had some reservations, but was not expected to challenge the sale by lobbying Congress, The Journal noted.
Under the proposed sale, the 84 F-15s for Saudi Arabia will have onboard targeting systems similar to those offered to other foreign governments, the paper said.
But to assuage Israel's concerns, the Obama administration has decided not to offer Saudi Arabia so-called standoff systems, which are advanced long-range weapons that can be attached to F-15s for use in offensive operations against land- and sea-based targets, The Journal noted

defensenews

Ce genre de pratiques sont insupportable! Donc, les saoudiens paient, au prix fort, ces f15 dernière génération, mais sans système d'arme à longue portée? En gros ils paient le prix fort juste pour les avoir! mdr

Je le répète, ils sont bête les saoudiens, ils pourraient faire pression, ne serait ce que par leur pouvoir: l'or noir et les investissements qui se chiffrent en centaines de milliards de dollars, dans le sol américains!

U.S. Weapons Sale to Saudi Arabia Said to Reach $60 Billion

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A proposed U.S. weapons sale to Saudi Arabia of Boeing Co. F-15 fighter jets also includes as many as 132 Boeing Apache attack helicopters and United Technologies Corp. UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters that bring the total value of the package to around $60 billion, according to a government official familiar with the plan.

The Pentagon and State Department about two weeks ago informally notified congressional committees that handle arms sales of the planned transaction, the official said.

“I think it would be the largest ever,” said William Hartung, director of the New York City-based New America Foundation’s Arms and Security Initiative.

“Other deals that used to be considered large,” like the $9 billion sale of 72 F-15s to the Saudis in 1992-93 or the kingdom’s $9 billion acquisition of U.S. AWACS surveillance aircraft in 1981, “aren’t even in the ballpark, even allowing for inflation,” Hartung said.

The package includes 84 F-15s at a cost of $30 billion and helicopter sales totaling about $30 billion that include spare parts, training simulators, long-term logistics support and some munitions.

The Saudis would buy about 72 UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and as many as 60 AH-64D Longbow Apaches, the official said. The Longbow is the U.S. Army’s premier anti-tank helicopter, capable of firing laser-guided or all-weather air-to-ground missiles. The Longbows are in addition to 12 that Congress in 2008 cleared Boeing to sell to the Saudis.

Fits Obama Strategy

The proposal fits the Obama administration’s strategy of buttressing the defense capabilities of Middle East allies to counter Iran’s growing offensive missile might and suspected nuclear weapons program. It would be part of the Gulf Security Dialogue started by the Bush administration.

The Longbow Apache has been sold to Egypt, Israel, Greece, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, the Royal Netherlands Air Force, Singapore and Taiwan. Northrop Grumman Corp. and Lockheed Martin Corp. provide the Apache’s radar and sensors.

The Pentagon intends to formally notify the Senate and House foreign affairs panels by mid-September of the final arms package, the official said.

“In the past, a record-setting deal to a region of tension like the Persian Gulf would have drawn considerable congressional opposition,” Hartung said. “That does not seem to be the case this time around.”

Other Issues Dominate

“Other foreign policy issues from Iraq and Afghanistan to the consideration of the New START treaty, seem to have taken up most if not all of the attention Congress can or will spend on foreign policy matters,” Hartung said. The U.S. Senate is scheduled to consider the new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia when it returns next month from its summer recess.

Saudi Arabia’s last significant U.S. weapons purchase was 72 F-15s in 1992, a transaction valued at as much as $9 billion. The last planes in that contract were delivered in November 1999.

The kingdom spent $36.7 billion worldwide on arms and support activities from 2001 to 2008, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-12/u-s-sale-of-fighter-jets-helicopters-to-saudis-said-to-reach-60-billion.html

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Saudis Want Raytheon AESA Radar On F-15s

A major sticking point on the sale by the U.S. of 84 new F-15S strike-fighters to Saudi Arabia is the degree of sophistication of the long-range aircraft’s radars.

New digital radars with active, electronically scanned array (AESA) antennas can increase surveillance and targeting ranges by three times. They can create ground maps with enough resolution to find small, moving targets. With the right software, they can become impressive electronic warfare devices. And the newest twist is that with the next generation of air-to-air missiles, they can defend against short-range and some medium-range ballistic missiles.

The original request from Saudi Arabia was for the F-15S with a Raytheon-made AESA radar that could increase the sensor’s range for detecting small targets to about 150 mi., depending on the radar cross section of the target, and almost eliminates maintenance costs. The current radar in both the F-15S and Israel’s F-15I is the manually scanned APG-70, which is no longer in production. Israeli pilots say they can see large-airliner-size targets at 150 nm., but tactical-fighter-size targets only register at about 56 nm.

The F-15Ss are part of a proposed $30-billion arms package being promoted by the Obama administration.

“I believe the Saudis want more F-15s to replace some of their older aircraft and because of the long-range [flight] capabilities of the F-15 and the upgraded avionics,” says a senior U.S. aerospace industry official with insight into the program. “They looked at other aircraft but wanted the long-range capability.”

The new AESA radar designs—such as the APG-63(v)3 on upgraded U.S. Air Force F-15Cs and Singapore’s new F-15SGs—can detect much smaller targets. The U.S. variant can find and target small, stealthy cruise missiles at ranges great enough to attack and destroy them.

More importantly, AESA radars the size of those in F-15s can find and target small moving ground targets at long range so they can be struck with standoff weapons beyond the range of antiaircraft weapons.

While Israel and Saudi Arabia carry the same radars in their F-15s, the Israeli air force has fielded long-range unmanned aircraft with precision targeting capabilities that make up for a lack of long-range radar on the manned aircraft. This gives Israel a qualitative advantage for the time being.

South Korean F-15Ks have the APG-63(v)1 (without an AESA antenna but with a digital processing back end). That means the South Koreans can upgrade the fighter’s capabilities when they can afford the advanced antenna arrays.

The negotiations and manufacturing capabilities still in place at Raytheon indicate the candidate radar for Saudi Arabia would be the APG-63(v)1 or 3. Since the Israeli air force is planning to buy about 22 AESA-radar-equipped F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, the purchase of an advanced radar by the Saudis may become a moot issue. It could also soften any onus associated with introducing a stealth fighter to the Middle East.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2010/08/16/AW_08_16_2010_p23-247194.xml&headline=Saudis%20Want%20Raytheon%20AESA%20Radar%20On%20F-15s&channel=awst

84 F15AESA+60 Apache Longbow
on dirait l´apocalypse se prepare,ils ont deja des longbow pourquoi autant?
ils calmeront Israel donc avec 22 JSF

Yakuza a écrit:

84 F15AESA+60 Apache Longbow
on dirait l´apocalypse se prepare,ils ont deja des longbow pourquoi autant?
ils calmeront Israel donc avec 22 JSF

je verrai bien quelques un de leur vieux hélico de combat chez nous, tu en panse quoi?

Yakuza a écrit:

84 F15AESA+60 Apache Longbow
on dirait l´apocalypse se prepare,ils ont deja des longbow pourquoi autant?
ils calmeront Israel donc avec 22 JSF

Tout se prépare à une grande guerre du coté du Moyen-Orient..

YASSINE a écrit:

Yakuza a écrit:

84 F15AESA+60 Apache Longbow
on dirait l´apocalypse se prepare,ils ont deja des longbow pourquoi autant?
ils calmeront Israel donc avec 22 JSF

je verrai bien quelques un de leur vieux hélico de combat chez nous, tu en panse quoi?

ca devait se faire deja en 2002,dommage que ce n´etait que des articles..

Yakuza a écrit:

YASSINE a écrit:

Yakuza a écrit:

84 F15AESA+60 Apache Longbow
on dirait l´apocalypse se prepare,ils ont deja des longbow pourquoi autant?
ils calmeront Israel donc avec 22 JSF

je verrai bien quelques un de leur vieux hélico de combat chez nous, tu en panse quoi?

ca devait se faire deja en 2002,dommage que ce n´etait que des articles..

QUI sait avec l'arrivé du nouveau matos?

Malgré leur Milliards et les dernières armes et équipements, les Saoudiens ne disposent pas du principal : les hommes capables de mener la bataille !

ready a écrit:

Malgré leur Milliards et les dernières armes et équipements, les Saoudiens ne disposent pas du principal : les hommes capables de mener la bataille !

il faut jamais dire des choses du genre, car c'est frustrant et outrageux mon ami, ils ont des hommes cabale aussi sauf que les combats, les escarmouches et la guerre sont des mots qui ont plus de Signification plus profonde chez nous que chez eux car on a beaucoup d’expérience dans ce domaine par le passé, je parle de tout notre passé car le Maroc durent toute son existence a été toujours convoiter, mais avant on était comme nos frères saoude et on a payer des tribus lourd dans le passé, et on a appris de nos erreurs, aussi nos brave solda se sont aguerrie durant les dernières années suite aux entraînement, manœuvres inter et itra-armées, je veux bien que nos frère et amis saoude n’ai pas l’expérience de notre fierté qui est notre armée, mais ils ont aussi des hommes qui font de leur mieux pour défendre leur patrie

ready a écrit:

Malgré leur Milliards et les dernières armes et équipements, les Saoudiens ne disposent pas du principal : les hommes capables de mener la bataille !

Où est ce que tu as connu des hommes saoudiens pour les qualifier d'incompétents? Les saouds sont des gens braves.
C'est un peuple qui a fait un saut rapide entre de la vie bédouine à la vie moderne sans période de transition, d'où le manque d'expérience qu'ils ont dans beaucoup de domaine pas seulement dans le militaire.

Cette idée de ''saouds laches et incompétents'' nous l'avons hérité de la période de la guerre du golf où tous les marocains (peuple et non pas gouvernement) souhaitaient voir Saddam triompher contre les arabes du golf et les écraser, on s'est réjouit des premières victoires contre le koweit et l'AS, et ça a renforcé chez nous l'image du ''peuple irakien civilisé qui écrase les bédouins du désert''.. C'est subjectif.

Le peuple marocain ne porte pas les saoudiens dans son coeur, ça c'est une certitude, heureusement que notre gouvernement n'est pas aussi naîf que nous.

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U.S pilots serve as instructors in Saudi Arabia
NELLIS AFB, Nev. | Six pilots with the United States Military Training Mission Air Force Division here embedded at several Royal Saudi Air Force bases to train, advise and assist Saudi Arabian pilots in their operations, all to support the common interest of both nations. The Airmen say some knowledge of Arabic is hugely beneficial.

"It helps to develop friendships; it builds respect between us," said Capt. Reggie Ramsey, an F-15 Strike Eagle adviser for the 55th Fighter Squadron at Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia.

These operations have taken five of the USMTM pilots and their Saudi Arabian counterparts to Nellis Air Force Base for 40 days as they participate in the Red Flag 10-4 and Green Flag 10-9 training missions. While this is the third Red Flag exercise for the RSAF, this will be their first participation in a Green Flag exercise.

"This is not their first time coming to the United States, but we are here to guide them along in how the United States Air Force does business," said Lt. Col. Brett Provinsky, an F-15 S adviser for the 6th Squadron in Khamis Mushayt. "They're here to learn from the variety of international players and integrate as much as they can."
Prior to the Red Flag mission, the 92nd Operational Squadron in Dharan, Saudi Arabia, the lead F-15 S squadron, completed a two-week practice exercise, replicating the Red Flag schedule in order to prepare for the official exercise at Nellis Air Force Base.

The Airmen have augmented the Red Flag and Green Flag missions with other lessons. In between exercises, they taught the RSAF pilots the U.S. air traffic control system and conducted independent low-altitude training missions above Utah, Arizona and California. The pilots' year-long tenure in Saudi Arabia has also served as a learning experience for the pilots of USMTM.

"Working and interacting with a foreign air force has definitely been eye-opening," said Maj. Anson Stephens, an F-15 S adviser for the 92nd Operational Squadron in Dharan. "The language barrier is a challenge, but it helps make you a better instructor."

The USMTM Airmen and the RSAF are scheduled to return to Saudi Arabia Aug. 20.

defpro

je n'y vois rien de drôle

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BAE Systems solidifies plans for aircraft assembly plant in Saudi Arabia
By Keri Wagstaff-Smith
18 August 2010

BAE Systems is to set up a military aircraft assembly plant in Saudi Arabia under the GBP4 billion (USD6.2 billion) 'al-Salam' Eurofighter Typhoon deal with the state, a BAE spokesman confirmed to Jane's on 16 August.

Citing reasons of commercial confidentiality, John Neilson, BAE Systems' vice-president of communications - international and business development, declined to provide further details of the plans, although he noted that "the Saudi government makes no secret of the fact it is looking to diversify its oil-based economy through the development of industrial capability in a number of sectors".

93 of 354 words

Janes

Citation :

DATE:24/08/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Saudi pilot killed as Eurofighter crashes in Spain
By Niall O’Keeffe

A Eurofighter aircraft has crashed at Spain's Morón air base with one fatality, the Spanish ministry of defence has confirmed.

The combat aircraft, which was on a regular training flight, crashed into the ground "moments after take-off" from the base near Seville, according to the ministry's statement.

It was being piloted under dual control by a lieutenant colonel from the Saudi Arabian air force, who was killed, and a Spanish air force commander, who ejected before the crash.

The ministry says the Spanish pilot is "well" and required only a "basic" level of medical attention.

CITAAM, the Spanish body responsible for investigating military aircraft accidents, has despatched a team to Morón to identify the causes of the incident.

The Saudi lieutenant colonel was at the Spanish base after the two nations signed a Eurofighter training contract.

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DATE:24/08/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Saudi pilot killed as Eurofighter crashes in Spain
By Niall O’Keeffe

A Eurofighter aircraft has crashed at Spain's Morón air base with one fatality, the Spanish ministry of defence has confirmed.

The combat aircraft, which was on a regular training flight, crashed into the ground "moments after take-off" from the base near Seville, according to the ministry's statement.

It was being piloted under dual control by a lieutenant colonel from the Saudi Arabian air force, who was killed, and a Spanish air force commander, who ejected before the crash.

The ministry says the Spanish pilot is "well" and required only a "basic" level of medical attention.

CITAAM, the Spanish body responsible for investigating military aircraft accidents, has despatched a team to Morón to identify the causes of the incident.

The Saudi lieutenant colonel was at the Spanish base after the two nations signed a Eurofighter training contract.

Je presume que l'appareil était espagnol puisque c'est le ministere de la defense espagnole qui le confirme ...
Je me demande bien ce qui a pu clocher :s heureux que l'espagnol n'y soit pas resté, mais encore plus triste pour la mort du frere saoudien allah yrehmou

FAMAS a écrit:

je n'y vois rien de drôle

+100, il y en a qui n'ont pas d'humour..

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L'apparence ne fait pas le combattant.

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A report said the Royal Saudi Air Force could not train sufficient numbers of pilots and support personnel for its planned purchase of fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft from the United States. The Institute for National Security Studies said the Air Force would be forced to rely on Western contractors to operate the platforms.

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"This would require the preparation of manpower in considerable quantities, even on the assumption that as in the past the Saudis will rely on maintenance and training that is almost entirely based on foreign workers employed by foreign contractors," the report said.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/me_gulf0812_08_24.asp

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L'apparence ne fait pas le combattant.

that's what fat guys always say

C'est le Ramadan, mais ce n'est pas une raison pour se laisser aller Allons, Messieurs, retour au sujet : L'Armée saoudienne