Forces armées grecques/Hellenic Armed Forces

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Tskfanatik a écrit:

Spartan a écrit:

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Que la Turquie ? la grece voit aussi son voisin la Macédoine comme une ennemie, je peux rajouter dans le panier un troisième voisin : l'Albanie.

De l'autre côté on peut aussi ajouter l'arménie et l'azerbaidjan

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au détriment du développement économique du pays. Contrairement à la Turquie, la Grèce à trés peu d'activité industrielle et son industrie de défense est quasi inexistante. La Turquie commence désormais a produire des armes de très hautes qualités exportables et répondants aux besoin de l'armée turque (par ex MILGEM,ANKA-A,Otokar Cobra, T-129, Futur char Altay, futur Type26, futur fregate TF100, futur ANKA-B peut être futur avions de combat TFX et j'en passe, sans oublier les différent missiles nationaux) Pour être très bref, tout simplement, que la militarisation de la Grece (basée uniquement sur des achats) ruine le pays, tandis que celle de la Turquie (basée de plus en plus sur un développement et une production nationale)contribue à sa grandeur militaire à ses ambitions.

Il n'y a rien qui est fait au détriment du développement économique. Jusqu'à preuve du contraire, le PIB par habitant en Grèce est 2,5fois plus élevé qu'en Turquie, "industrie" de défense incluse, sans parler des énormes disparités au niveau social en turquie.
Vous oubliez trop souvent que vous êtes 80 millions... toujours à parler de grandeur, d'ambition de puissance, heureusement que vous n'êtes pas 1,5 milliards à coup sûr vous seriez hégémonique mais Dieu merci.
C'est bien beau de nous sortir un catalogue d'armes turques pas encore construites, mais c'est pas le bon thread, on est pas intéressé on préfère la qualité européenne ou américaine
De plus on a rien à vous envier, on a construit aussi des frégates, des tanks, des véhicules blindés etc... on fait avec nos moyens ! chacun fait avec ses moyens !

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La situation est incomparable. Les moyens déployés sont très différents. De plus la stratégie de l'armée grecque est de type défensive, tandis que celle de la Turquie est plus de l'ordre de l'offensive.

Violer l'espace aérien d'un pays, ferait donc partie d'une doctrine défensive ? joke of the year

Le pib par habitant ne permet pas de juger de la capacité militaire d' un pays. la Turquie est 94° , la russie 71° et la chine 125° ... la gréce 41°... Tu voudrais dire que la grèce balayerais la Russie, la Chine et la TUrquie ???

Loin derrière la Grèce. Et pourtant la grèce ne fait partie du top 20 des economies mondiales. Si le pib par habitant voulait dire quelquechose pour l' industrie militaire ou autre, le luxembourg aurait la meilleur armée du monde avec son presue 150 000 $ par habitant.

Il faut regarder le PIB tout court. Seul le pib permet de mesurer le niveau economique d'un pays. D'ailleurs le calcul de la croissance se fait sur le PIB seul. Pas ramené à l' habitant.


Oser comparer l' industrie militaire grec inéxistante avec l' industrie militaire turc en pleine expansion, qui vise le 100 % autonome, c'est du pure fantasme de collégien... La masturbation quoi..

Oui on est 80 000 0000 .... comparé aux 9 millions de grecs, y' a pas photos.
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edit:le reste est provocation seulement

Grosso modo ce que tu dit est vrai sauf que ce n est pas la quantite qui compte mais la qualite.ne jamais perdre de vue ce point la .

Israel a livré des armes et du materiel aux gardes cotes grecques.

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Israel offering equipment to the Hellenic Coast Guard

Israel recently offered weapons, ammunition, technical support and other material assistance, to the Hellenic Coast Guard (HCG).

The multilevel assistance provided by the Greek government to Israel, during the flotilla bound for Gaza incident, was not left without a response.

The Israeli side requested to express its gratitude to the HCG, which faces shortages of weapons, tools and technical support (spare parts) because of the economic crisis. The Greeks officials – to their credit – refused any offer in cash, but instead asked the Israelis, who insisted on expressing their gratitude, to provide some equipment. With rapid procedures they drafted a wish list and the Israelis began fulfilling the Greek requests.
The list included: a) a significant number of anti-ballistic bullet proof vests of high standards, b) Jericho pistols with the required spare parts and ammunition c) supplies and parts for electronic devices and sensors for the boats of the HCG d) technical assistance and support equipment for the boats of the HCG as well as other ‘undisclosed’ assistance in accordance with the requests set by the Greek side.
Thanks to the immediate and decisive reaction of the Hellenic Coast Guard and its leadership, the Israelis had the chance to express without delay their gratitude and friendliness in a practical way.

Source: defence-point.gr

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Greece still splashes out billions on defence




Greek air force officers at Tanagra military airport, north of Athens.
AFP/Aris Messinis


Frigates, tanks and submarines: Greece may be teetering on the brink, but the bite of austerity hasn’t come near its military. And Germany is profiting from it. Excerpts.
Claas Tatje

The man who goes in and out of Greece's Defence Ministry has the ministry’s wish list in his head: up to 60 fighter aircraft of the Eurofighter class, for perhaps €3.9 billion. French frigates for over €4 billion, patrol boats for €400 million.

Such is the price of the much-needed modernisation of the existing Greek navy. But we still have to include some ammunition for the Leopard tanks, and besides that, two American Apache helicopters need replacing. Oh, and they would like to buy some German U-boats, for €2 billion.

What the man reveals in an Athens café sounds absurd. A state on the edge of bankruptcy, propped up by billions of euros from the European Union, wants to buy up armaments wholesale? The man in the café is frequently seen in photos next to the Minister of Defence or army generals, and he’s often on to the phone to them too.

He’s a man who knows his way around. In his own opinion, the arms purchases currently can’t be done. But that could soon change, he says. "If Greece gets the next tranche of the bailout in March, expected to be €80 billion, there is a real opportunity to sign some new arms contracts."

It’s truly incredible. Whether Greece stays in the eurozone or goes back to the drachma will be decided this spring. On the morning when internal matters are being spoken of so frankly in the café, doctors in Athens hospitals are handling only emergencies, bus drivers are on strike, schools are still short of textbooks and thousands of state employees are demonstrating against their dismissal.

Merkel and Sarkozy ask Greece to sign new arms orders


The new austerity programme that Greece's government has announced leaves hardly a Greek unscathed. Unless, that is, he works for the military or for the armaments industry.

In 2010 Greece’s budget for the military was almost seven billion euros. That is about three percent of its economic output, a figure surpassed among NATO countries only by the United States. The Ministry of Defence did, however, cut its arms procurement in 2011 by €500 million. But all this will mean, believes an arms trade expert, is that future needs will be all the higher.

Among Greece's EU partners, only a few are calling publicly for the Greek rearmament programme to stop at once and for a long time into the future. One is Daniel Cohn-Bendit, leader of the Greens in the European Parliament. Europe’s hesitation, he believes, masks well-entrenched economic interests.

The main beneficiary of the Greek armament programme in Europe turns out to be its savings champion, Germany. According to the just-released Rüstungsexportbericht 2010 (2010 Arms Exports Report) the Greeks are, after the Portuguese – another state teetering on the verge of bankruptcy – the biggest customers for German armaments.

Spanish and Greek newspapers even spread a rumour that Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy reminded former Prime Minister of Greece George Papandreou during a summit meeting at the end of October to honour existing arms orders, and even sign new ones.

Greek military sector promises security and jobs


How does that square up? Not in the least, says defence expert Hilmar Linnenkamp. "It is totally irresponsible, in the midst of Greece's severe economic crisis, to bring up the the Eurofighter issue [an order of 90 Eurofighters placed in 1999]." But it's not just about the Eurofighter. The latest Arms Export Report reveals that in 2010 Greece imported exactly 223 howitzers and a submarine from Germany. The total value of the arms sales was €403 million, which contributed greatly to the explosion of Greece's public debt.

Dimitris Droutsas is one of the few Greeks who speak openly about these figures. Until June 2011 he was Greece’s foreign minister. "We didn’t spend so much money on defence for the fun of it," he says. Greece’s external borders must be strengthened against the waves of migration from North Africa and Asia, and almost daily there are conflicts with Turkey. "As Foreign Minister I got a message every afternoon from the Defence Department listing Turkish violations of our airspace."

Greece has also been watching with some concern the increasing activity of the Turkish navy in the Aegean Sea. 35 years ago, they watched the Turks invade Cyprus. Since then, Greece has lived in a state of anxiety. “Whether we like it or not, Greece is forced to have a strong military.”

Greeks like Droutsas need fear no resistance from Greece’s own population. The Greek military sector promises the people security – and jobs. In a country with no significant industry of its own, that is worth a great deal. German defence companies recognised this early on and have grown tightly intertwined with Greek companies.

Current defence spending up 18.2 percent


The pressure from beyond Greece’s borders to wrap up the rearmament programme only materialised recently, which is why the defence budget has hardly been touched by the austerity measures overseen by the troika of experts from the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and the EU Commission.

In 2010 the military spending budget should have been cut by only 0.2 percent of economic output, or by €457 million. That sounds like a lot, but the same document proposed to cut back on social spending by €1.8 billion. In 2011, according to the EU Commission, Greece was to strive for “cutbacks in defence spending”. The Commission, though, didn’t make it explicit.

The Greek Parliament was quick to exploit this freedom. The 2012 budget proposes cuts to the social budget of another nine percent, or about €2 billion. The contributions to NATO, on the other hand, are expected to rise by 50 percent, to €60 million, and current defence spending by up to €200 million, to €1.3 billion – an increase of 18.2 percent.

And the German Federal Government’s stance? According to a spokesman, responding to an enquiry, the German government supports "the policy of consolidation of the Greek Prime Minister Papademos. The government’s guiding assumption is that the Greek government will, on its own responsibility, contemplate meaningful cuts in military spending.” At the same time, however, the spokesperson alludes to defaults on arms deals. “The federal government has expressed its fundamental expectation that contracts will be fulfilled."

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05-11-11 : Exercice naval "Astrapi"

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M2000

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F-16 Accident Averted At Larissa Air Base


An accident that would have probably resulted in fatalities and serious damage was averted Thursday morning at the NATO Larissa Air Base, when the landing gear of a F-16D Blk 52 from the 110 Combat Wing did not function properly and the aircraft skipped down the runway.

The two Greek pilots aboard managed to eventually halt the aircraft before emergency personnel and rescue teams rushed to the scene to help the pilots and make sure no further damage would be imposed.

Due to a general investigation ordered by the Greek Air Force leadership to determine the cause of the accident, all F-16 aircraft must stay on ground, and those absent in training or on patrol will be checked after their return.

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PGM a écrit:

325 M$, soit 5% du budget defense, ça reste peu au regard du niveau de réduction des autres budgets. En tout cas je ne les vois pas réduire le nombre de FREMM et Typhoon, ce qui est une abérration ! il ont beau jeu Merkosy de ne mettre la pression que là ou ça ne touche pas leurs interets
un monde de vautours j'vous dis !

PGM

une réduction de ce niveau n´est que le debut de l´avalanche,donc aucune acquisition ne peut etre prise en consideration,a mon avis

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The government official said that the 300 million euros would come from cuts in defense spending and other areas but did not give any other details.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_09/02/2012_426942

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Super Puma de l'armée de l'air grecque sauvant de riches occupants d'un yacht français


http://vimeo.com/36961557

Le yacht luxueux de Stéphane Courbit "Yogi", long de 60 m, a pris l'eau en mère Égée, entre les îles Skyros et Psara. Tous les passagers et membres d'équipage (8 Français), hélitreuillés par un Super Puma de l'armée de l'air grecque, sont sains et saufs. Tout un symbole...Certains y verront un petit coup de colère de Poséidon...

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The Chief of Hellenic National Defence General Staff, General Mikhail Kostarakos visited an Army Aviation Unit at Megara Athens

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Le pétrolier ravitailleur HS Prometheus ( A374 ) est l'un des 3 principaux unités de la flotte de ravitaillement et soutien de la marine grecque. Les 2 autres sont des unités sont 2 AO reprises des allemands, il s'agit de 2 unités type 701C ( un navire de ce type est en service chez les égyptiens pour rappel ).

Le A374 est dérivé de la classe Etna italienne, il concerve les mêmes caractèristiques et capacités de sa variante italienne en fait. Il a été construit localement sur la base des plans italiens. Il mesure 146m de long, un déplacement en plein charge de 13400T, une vitesse qui dépasse un peu les 20nds et une portée de 7600mn à 18nds.

Le HS Prometheus peut transporter 5400T du diesel, 1500m3 de JP5, 160T d'eau fraîche, 12 conteneurs de vivres et 20t piéces de rechanges.

chkoun maka i7chemch/qui n´a pas froid aux yeux

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Greece to receive ex-German command post vehicles
Plans for the Hellenic Army to acquire 12 M577A1 command post vehicles from German surplus stock were approved by the Greek government on 20 february..
27-Feb-2012

Janes

p.s: on recoit gratis des M577A2 EDA,et eux se les achetent en A1 des allemands,allez comprendre (eurobonds oblige)

LaikTurkiye a écrit:

La Grèce en crise se retire de l'opération anti-piraterie de l'UE

La Grèce a décidé de se retirer de manière anticipée de l'opération anti-piraterie "Atalante" menée dans l'océan Indien par l'Union européenne pour faire des économies dans la période de crise qu'elle traverse, ont annoncé lundi des médias officiels grecs.
La frégate Hydra prendra le chemin du retour vers la Grèce mercredi 7 mars, soit un mois plus tôt que prévu, ce qui permettra au gouvernement d'économiser 2,5 millions d'euros, a rapporté la télévision d'Etat NET.
De plus, aucun navire militaire grec ne participera au prochain tour d'opérations de deux mois dans l'océan Indien, ce qui fera économiser 5 millions d'euros à Athènes, selon l'agence de presse ANA.
Il n'a pas été possible d'obtenir immédiatement un commentaire du ministère grec de la Défense.
La Grèce a dû s'engager à effectuer des coupes massives dans ses dépenses en échange de prêts de l'UE et du Fonds monétaire international (FMI) destinés à l'aider à sortir de la grave crise de la dette dans laquelle elle est plongée.
L'UE a lancé en 2008 l'opération "Atalante" au large de la Somalie et dans l'océan Indien pour lutter contre les pirates somaliens qui infestent ces eaux et constituent un grave danger pour la navigation internationale.
Depuis ce lancement, les militaires d'"Atalante" ont arrêté et déféré à la justice 117 pirates présumés. Pour la seule année 2011, ils ont mis fin aux activités de 27 groupes de pirates.
En février, les ministres des Affaires étrangères des pays de l'UE ont prolongé "Atalante" jusqu'en décembre 2014.

http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/finance-marches/actu/afp_00431026-la-grece-en-crise-se-retire-de-l-operation-anti-piraterie-de-l-ue-298346.php

LaikTurkiye a écrit:

Greek crisis to hurt Hellenic Air Force

Greece’s most devestating financial crisis in modern times and the growing possibility of a default on its loans have not only progressed its rating from Germany-level credit to average, on to junk, below junk and now to likely default, but also have begun to dramatically limit and even reduce its military capabilities. The damage is especially stark among the ranks of the Hellenic Air Force (HAF).

Here’s a brief list of probable changes to HAF:

Vintage A-7E and TA-7C s are all to be retired before 2013 due to high maintenance costs.
Two squadrons of F-4E AUPs will be merged into one squadron.
RF-4E recon aircraft are to be withdrawn in late 2012 while 6 will be kept for use with the 3 Thales ASTAC SIGINT pods. Recon ops to be transferred to the F-16 Block 52+’s with the 2 Goodrich DB-110 pods.
Mirage 2000s face possible operational cuts due to small size of fleet.
T-2 Buckeyes are very likely to be withdrawn in 2 yrs due to lack of spare parts.
Many T-6A Texan IIs have been placed in long-term storage due to shortages in operational budgets.
NH-90 helicopter acquisition delayed due to major design flaws along with higher costs of operation relative to the Blackhawk. Acquisition will probably not be finished before 2015.
EMB145H AWACS assets face possibility of reduction of the fleet from 4 to 2 aircraft.


HAF airbases planned for downsizing and/or outright closure include:

In Larisa AFB on Crete, the F-16 Block 52s will go to Araxos following the retirement of A-7s.
Aircraft storage and maintenance facilities in Agrinion face budgetary cuts.
Similar cuts hame things difficult in Santorini (QRA detachment)
Tympaki (location of S-300 air defence missiles) is burdened by lower budgets.
CL-415 water bombers in Thessaloniki will go to Elefsis.

http://www.trdefence.com/2012/03/01/greek-crisis-to-hurt-hellenic-air-force/

mon RWR sonne quand j´entend les sold

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EMB145H AWACS assets face possibility of reduction of the fleet from 4 to 2 aircraft.

Son radar suédois va posé problème à mon avis.
mais c'est vrai qu'il va y avoir pas mal de matos second-hand sur le marché

pas du tout,aucun probleme,ils ont en vendus aux pakis,thailandis,saoudiens..faut seulement avoir un programme plané,une volonté et de l audace(+chwia flouss,pas bcp)

Chez les nôtres ils sont du genre frileux avec ce genre de matos, ils prendrons pas de risque.
je vois Boutaleb regardé plus côté US...

Yakuza a écrit:

mon RWR sonne quand j´entend les sold

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EMB145H AWACS assets face possibility of reduction of the fleet from 4 to 2 aircraft.

Damn, j'ai pense exactement le meme chose