Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder

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Official designation: Fighter China-1 (FC-1) Xiaolong
PAF designation: Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder
Function: Air-superiority; Ground attack
Designer: Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute)
Manufacturer: Chengdu Aircraft Industry (Group) Corporation Ltd. (CAC)
Maiden flight: 25 August 2003
Operator: Pakistani Air Force
Estimated cost: US$15~20 million
The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Sino-Pakistani development programme that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost. Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China is the prime contractor for aircraft development and manufacture, while Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is the main partner responsible for post-sale service and maintenance, as well as the production of some parts for the aircraft in Pakistan. The aircraft was designed by Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute). Russia supplied its Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine for the aircraft.
The initial order was from the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) for eight aircraft, which were delivered in 2007~08. A further order for 42 aircraft worth about US$800 million was signed in March 2009. The aircraft is currently being built by CAC at a rate of 15 aircraft per annum, and this will increase to 30 aircraft per annum later. The total number required by the PAF could be as many as 250, worth US$3~5 billion.
Several other countries also showed interest in the aircraft. Despite previous reports suggesting that the FC-1 would also be equipped by the PLAAF, no order has been reported so far.
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/fc1.asp
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French authorities have given approval for industry to offer a Thales RC 400 airborne fire control radar and MBDA Mica air-to-air missiles to Pakistan, to be fitted on the JF-17 jet fighter built under license from China, a Pakistani official said.
“They are cleared for export negotiation,” the official said.
The sale has raised concerns of a potential breach of the EU military embargo on China.
Pakistan and France have drawn up a memorandum of understanding in which Islamabad promises not to release technology to China, the Pakistani official said. French industry submitted prices about a year and a half ago for the gear and these were no longer valid. With export clearance, commercial negotiations can take place.
The Délégation Générale pour l’Armement arms agency, MBDA and Thales declined comment.
Source: DefenseNews.com
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Serial production of JF-17 aircraft to start soon, NA body told
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) would soon start serial production of JF-17 Thunder in collaboration with China, Standing Committee of the National Assembly on Defence Production was informed on Thursday.
The committee, headed by Sheikh Aftab Ahmad, visited the PAC and was given a detailed briefing on the ongoing projects. PAC Chairman Air Marshal Khalid Chaudhry gave a detailed briefing on the projects, informing them that the PAC has set up the factory for initiating the serial aircraft’s production. He said PAC had the capability to manufacture 75 percent of avionics and 58 percent of air-frame of the fighter aircraft.
About other projects being carried out by PAC, he said facility had been overhauling around 180 engines of various fighter jets and 60 aircraft a year. He also said the Mirage Rebuild Factory, which is a part of PAC has been rebuilding 35-year old Mirage aircraft, which were bought as scrap from various countries.
The chairman as well as members of the committee appreciated the work being carried out at PAC. They assured their full support to the management of PAC. app
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\01\02\story_2-1-2009_pg7_26
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French arms deal with Pakistan risks US ire
By Federico Bordonaro
The news last month that Pakistan is likely to get French air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and radar for its JF-17 fighter aircraft has raised some eyebrows in the US.
The reason is that MICA AAMs produced by MBDA and RC-400 multimission radar built by Thales may enrich China's rapidly growing military capabilities if sold to Pakistan, since Islamabad is developing its fighter plane jointly with Beijing. The JF-17 is a lightweight multi-role fighter co-developed by Pakistan

Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation under a joint venture of China and Pakistan.
Thus, some observers say, the widely debated European Union arm systems ban against China may finally be circumvented, in such a way that it could damage US efforts to keep Beijing's air power at disadvantage vis-a-vis Taiwan. As some Indian and Pakistani sources have pointed out, French-built Mirage fighters owned by Taiwan are actually equipped with such missiles and radar.
Taiwan and India are obviously concerned with China's military build-up. If China gets the chance to closely look at French advanced technology in possession of Taipei, Beijing could theoretically become capable of countering it effectively.
However, it must be noted that the issue of military technology transfer is fairly complicated, and that Pakistan's acquisition of French systems is not automatically a dramatic reinforcement of Chinese capabilities, unlike some reports suggest.
In fact, if French companies sell radar and missiles to Pakistan, they don't sell the know-how necessary to build such systems from scratch. Clearly, bits of the source code needed to integrate the components into the JF-17 will be transferred by the French to the Pakistanis. Missile-radar integration and avionics will be developed by France and Pakistan, with the Chinese contribution focused on hardware.
This means that if Pakistan transfers such code to Beijing, China could actually become capable of integrating the two systems into its fighter jets (like the J-10), although it will not include the JF-17 in its air force. But it does not mean that Beijing will be able to produce such systems.
Therefore, the key variable here is how many MICAs and RC-400s France sells to Pakistan. Of course, if Islamabad buys new series of them after the first acquisition, it is conceivable that China could get its hand on them in the future, independently of the JF-17 development.
Rumors of the deaL
It is certainly no secret that France has eyed Indian and Pakistani defense markets as a great opportunity to expand its strong military-industrial sector. For years, French companies have provided weapons and systems to both Delhi and Islamabad. However, the deal regarding the JF-17 has been a difficult one, mainly for political-diplomatic reasons. This explains the lack of information from France and the extreme cautiousness in all aspects of the current arrangements.
After some leading British and US publications highlighted the danger of sensitive military technology transfer to China via Pakistan, officials from MBDA and Thales refused to comment on the deal. France's Defense Minister Herve Morin subtly conveyed the Paris position nonetheless, as he replied to Associated Press journalists that "to my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan".
Back in September 2004, Jane's Defence Weekly's special correspondent Robert Sae-Liu reported that the choice of a multimode pulse-Doppler radar for the JF-17 fighter was reported in 2003 as "involving a competition between Phazotron of Russia with the Kopyo system, Galileo (FIAR) of Italy with the Grifo S-7, and Thales of France with the RC 400".
Hence, a short history of the JF-17 project unveils Thales' interest. The simple fact that two French companies are involved in the issue worries the US. Paris has long lobbied within the EU for lifting of the arms embargo against Beijing imposed by Europe after the 1989 Tienanmen incident.
Most French Gaullists and Socialists have pushed for a lifting of the ban. The reason is twofold. On one hand, the French defense industry is aggressively seeking expansion in Asia's markets, and China is arguably the most interesting of them. On the other hand, Paris cultivates the geopolitical ambition of creating a multipolar world in which the EU will progressively acquire strategic autonomy from the United States.
However, President Nicolas Sarkozy's election in May 2007 has started an apparently rapid and powerful rapprochement between Paris and Washington on a number of issues. Interestingly, some French analysts who deal with so-called "economic warfare" dynamics have recently criticized France's pro-China orientation. They have even lambasted civilian air industry deals with Beijing made by Airbus, reasoning that French companies that only seek market opportunities will eventually jeopardize European technological superiority over China.
Up until this year, though, Washington has successfully counter-lobbied France's efforts to persuade its EU partners about the anachronism of the embargo, and the ban is still valid despite numerous predictions of its imminent demise. Now, Sino-Pakistani military cooperation, which is likely to remain strong also in light of the growing US-Indian strategic partnership, could complicate the situation even more.
Washington furious?
While on the surface the Franco-American reconciliation is fully underway, the reality is slightly more complicated. Paris' hard, pro-US stance on Iran's nuclear issue is one thing; another matter is how France and the US perceive the international system and balance of power.
Sarkozy's position on the arms ban against Beijing will possibly become clearer after the French president visits Beijing later this year, but it is unlikely that France will completely abandon its dream of a more assertive and autonomous Europe when it comes to security and defense policy.
Quoted by the Pakistani daily Dawn on September 14, British defense analyst and Asia specialist Alexander Neill said that Washington may have a "quite vicious" reaction if France does not reconsider selling such systems to Islamabad.
However, according to various sources, France and Pakistan will likely reach an agreement on the missiles and radar. It is thus possible that China will be able to exploit yet another fault line in French and American diplomacy.
Whether or not the development of the JF-17 will allow China to acquire military systems and technology that will boost its power in relation to Taiwan, as the US fears, such a program will likely cause a dilemma for France: by proceeding with enhanced cooperation with Pakistan, Paris risks not only triggering Washington's ire, but also upsetting India and Taiwan - thereby complicating its future defense marketing with two important buyers.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IJ10Df01.html

c'est sur qu'une participation marocaine à ce programme ne serait pas de refus,c'est un chasseur parfait pour nos besoins,en plus pas cher 15M $ l'unité

pas mal l'électronique de bord d'allieurs tout le monde sous estime cet avions il a l'air pas mal comme intercepteur ...

pour un début il n'est pas du tout mal, le programme "joint fighter" ne s'arretera pas là il y aura certainnement des JF18 JF19, j'imagine le savoir-faire qui sera transféré au Pakistan, c'est vraiment bien réflechi de leurs part il faut pas s'attendre à une telle générosité d'une grande puissance

c'est tout à fait normal qu'un pays comme le Pakistan se lance dans l'acquisition de technologie avancée pour construire son avion de chasse, ils ont déjà vécu une mauvaise expérience avec les USA 2fois " la 1ere après la guerre de 1965 contre l'inde, la 2éme lors de la guerre d'Afghanistan " faut utiliser les ressources locales et ne plus dépendre d'autres pays...

c'est un chasseur polyvalent, bon marché, il peut rivaliser avec le MIG-29, sous condition d'eviter l'avionics chinoix :-), les pakistanais optent pour le moment pour un avionics occidental " italien FIAR Grifo Radar ", ce qui implique une compatibilité avec les missiles NATO : Sparoxw, Amraam, AIM-9...etc sans oublier l'arsenal francais MICA, R550II...

on peut la comparer à un F-16 Bk 40 koi...

d'accord avec toi amraamski, c'était l'avis de plusieurs experts en plus, ce chasseur rappel les premières version du Falcon

Exellent chasseur pour des pays non encore doté de chasseur..(mauritanie,senegal...)

excellent aussi pour la chine qui pourra enfin remplacer ses centaine de vieille machine (FANTAN/MIG21/mig19 etc etc )!!!

mais je pense qu il est inferieur au F1ASTRAC

sauf si le client peu choisir le radar et les missile qu il souhaite voire sur l avion (par exemple au lieu de prendre lavion avec radar et missile chinois...., prendre l avion avec ELTA/ou radarfrancais et missile MICA ou DERBY etc etc)!!!

Tout a fait d'accord

En effet pour remplacé tout leur feraille (F8IIM,F6/7...)cet appareil conviendré tout a fait dans leur arsenal..

De tte facon c'est ce qu'ils sont entraint de faire,ils veulent ca: (JF-17/J-10/SU-27/30) et surement en 2nd ligne des JH-7.

En tout cas y'a pas photo vaut mieux nettement l'ASTRAC ou le Blk-40..

Alloudi a écrit:

mais je pense qu il est inferieur au F1ASTRAC

la france avait déjà proposé e RC400 pour le programme FJ-17, ça veux dire qu'il est capable d'être aussi performant que le f1 astrac ou M2000-5 s'il se décide une fois pour toute mettre une bonne avionique.
il a aussi l'avantage d'être un avion neuf donc il a une cellule qui n'a pas enciore subit la fatigue et l'usure.

celulle fc1 et mica et RC4 il est claire qu il jouerait dans la meme cour que nos astrac,mais en l etat actuelle des chose(avionique et armement chinois), le l ASTRAC me semble plus solide

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DATE:01/07/09
SOURCE:Flight International
Pakistan begins domestic final assembly of JF-17
By Siva Govindasamy

Pakistan has begun the final assembly of the first Chengdu Aircraft/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 fighter to be produced in the country, and aims to have the first flight by end-2009.

Islamabad collaborated with China in the design and development, and received its first two JF-17s in March 2007. It has since taken delivery of around a dozen JF-17s, which China has designated as the FC-1, says the Pakistani air force.

While PAC had work-share in the earlier examples and tried some limited assembly at its facilities in Kamra, Chengdu Aircraft was responsible for most of the production. The Pakistani company has now entered the full production phase with the aircraft and aims to deliver four to six JF-17s to the PAF before end-2009.

It then plans to produce 12 aircraft in 2010, 15-16 aircraft annually from 2011, and up to 25 a year eventually, says the service. Under the terms of its contract with Chengdu Aircraft, Pakistan will buy 150 domestically produced JF-17s. This could eventually go up to 300 fighters.

The JF-17s will replace the PAF's ageing fleet of Nanchang A-5s, Chengdu F-7s and Dassault Mirage III and Mirage Vs. The service says that they will be capable of carrying variety of conventional and precision guided bombs, and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles of both short and beyond visual ranges.

"The weapon carrying capabilities of the aircraft would enable its employment in day and night multi-role tasks on land, sea and air. The aircraft would add to the PAF's operational capability manifold and help retain the much needed balance in air power in the sub-continent," Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, the PAF's chief of air staff, said at the inauguration ceremony.

While the Pakistani-built aircraft will have Chinese components, Islamabad had planned to raise the indigenous content to 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics by 2010. It has also been in touch with western radar, avionics, engines and missiles suppliers.

The first 50 JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese KLJ-10 radars and SD-10 and PL-8 missiles. But Pakistan is keen to acquire advanced AESA radars and had contacted France's Thales about its RC400. It also held talks with MBDA about Mica air-to-air missiles. The Klimov RD-93 turbofan will power the aircraft, but Pakistan has been sourcing for an alternative and the Snecma M53-P2 was touted as a possibility.

He said that the JF-17 programme had made "significant progress" towards meeting its twin objectives of strengthening Pakistan's national security and acquiring indigenous capability to manufacture fighter aircraft. He added that Pakistan and China were also hoping to secure third party sales "in big numbers".

Islamabad has also been negotiating the purchase of 36 Chengdu J-10 fighters from China. The aircraft will be designated as the FC-20 in Pakistan, and they will be upgraded versions of the fighter that officially entered into service with the Chinese air force in early 2007. Deliveries to Pakistan are likely to begin from 2014-2015, and the country is unlikely to have any work-share in this programme.

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French JF-17 Deal Could Anger India

Feb 18, 2010
By Michael A. Taverna
Paris



Politics could yet derail French industry aspirations to upgrade Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft, even as the two sides near conclusion of a deal for the program.

While the project is supported by the administration of French President ­Nicolas Sarkozy, reactions in New Delhi and Washington will also influence its fate . The U.S. is concerned about technology leakage to China, and India is already a lucrative market for French industry. Enthusiasm for the JF-17 upgrade could be tempered if there were signals that this might jeopardize business in India.

The Pakistan air force wants to develop a “Westernized” version of its Chinese-made JF-17, fitted with European avionics, fire-control radar and weapons systems. The upgraded aircraft is intended not only for domestic service, but also for export.

A team led by ATE—a Paris-based company specializing in integrating systems and weapons onto military aircraft airframes of different origin—is tipped to develop and market the upgraded version of the JF-17 Thunder. The aircraft was developed by China in cooperation with Pakistan.

Other partners, according to sources close to the deal, include Thales, Sagem and missile-manufacturer MBDA. Among the losing bidders, they say, are Astrac, a Thales-Sagem joint venture also specialized in retrofits, and Finmeccanica. The winning team would not comment on the selection, which has not been officially announced.

Industry executives say the project has strong backing from the French government, which has adopted a more focused and muscular arms trade policy under the Sarkozy administration .

Pakistan has a large fleet of French Mirage III and V fighters which the JF‑17 is supposed to replace. However, the deal must still run a gauntlet of threats before it can become reality, and how long this will take is anybody’s guess.

Cash-strapped Pakistan may have trouble funding the deal, and it could also face pressure from its Chinese partners—who want to supply the aircraft with domestic systems and weapons—and the U.S., which is already supplying F-16s to the Pakistani air force.

But the biggest hurdle, the industry executive suggests, is any Indian pressure regarding the proposed deal.

The upgrade would involve 50 aircraft, plus another 50 on option, that would go into production in 2013, following delivery of the first batch of Pakistani air force JF-17s. The project could be worth up to €1 billion ($1.36 billion), more than double the $500 million that the JF-17 development reputedly cost.

The principal target markets for export are in Central Asia and Africa. Any sale would require case-by-case approval by the French government. Up to 400 JF-17s may ultimately be built.

While the exact makeup of the modernization package is not known, it is thought to include Thales RC400 fire- control radar and the MBDA Mica medium-range family of air-to-air missiles, as well as air-to-surface weaponry.

Paris is insisting on a complete package approach to try to protect against leakage of design secrets to China or other unauthorized users. However, Islamabad is also known to be discussing the separate supply of specific additional items, such as South Africa’s A-Darter short-range imaging infrared-guided air-to-air missile. ATE was previously headquartered in South Africa and most of its 400 employees are still based there.

China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corp. developed the JF-17 with support from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). The aircraft first flew in 2003 and has been in small-batch production at Chengdu since 2006. The first JF-17 to undergo final assembly at a purpose-built PAC facility was handed over to the air force in October of last year.

The first 50 aircraft for the Pakistani air force are expected to be delivered by the end of 2012. These aircraft will be fitted with Chinese avionics and radar, as well as radar- and infrared-guided short- and long-range air-to-air missiles and antiship weapons. China’s PL-12 radar-guided beyond-visual-range missile may be part of the package.

This capable missile is now in series production for the Chinese air force and it is not clear why Pakistan would want the Mica, whose range is inferior. Industry officials suggest the Chinese fire-control radar intended for the JF‑17 is unable to exploit the PL-12’s full capability.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2010/02/15/AW_02_15_2010_p34-203443.xml&headline=French%20JF-17%20Deal%20Could%20Anger%20India&channel=defense

JF-17 fighter Multifonctionnel Thunder est le premier de la coopération militaire entre le Pakistan et la Chine afin de produire plusieurs avions de combat rôle et la plupart du développement de l'entreprise en Chine Chengdu, mais les coûts ont été répartis équitablement entre les deux pays.

Le Bureau du Mikoyan Russie conçoit une certaine aide à la production et le développement de l'avion, qui a débuté en 1999.

Premier vol de l'avion était en 2003.


La désignation officielle de la chasse est une Chine-1 ou le FC-1.

Livré les premiers lots de l'avion pour le Pakistan en 2007-2008 et un certain nombre de demandes d'un autre aéronef 42 a été signé en 2009, que les besoins de l'avion la force aérienne pakistanaise de 250 avions.


Cet avion a plus d'avions au candidat de travailler dans les pays en développement en raison de l'absence de coût pour le remplacement de l'ancien combattant de savoir où l'Azerbaïdjan a demandé 26 appareils de ce type.

Les avions ont un design extérieur traditionnel et équipé d'un Rossi-type Klimov RD-93 Mazuz Aq plus tard dont 150 ont été remis au Pakistan, la Chine a préféré soit copier le rétro-ingénierie du moteur et ajouter quelques modifications pour devenir le WS-13 (Tianshan-21).

Les avions équipés de radars de type italien Grifo S-7 multi-statistiques crédibles peuvent lancer et en regardant vers le bas avec la possibilité d'autres Balradarat remplacé complètement.

Aéronef conçu principalement pour des fins de défense aérienne et attaque au sol.

L'avion est équipé de canons de type GSh-23 ou GSh-30 à deux coups.

Charge maximale de 3,7 tonnes d'armes est à 5 points de suspension et de points de commenter les parties.

Les armes transportées par avion sont d'un type ou PL-12/SD-10 moyenne portée chinois PL-7, PL-8, PL-9 à court terme de la Chine, ni le but-9p court US terme, et peut transporter plusieurs bombes but, guidées par laser.

Avion n'a pas la possibilité de ravitaillement en vol

fusionné
ouvre les yeux cher ami

ça a l'air d'une traduction google ça donne la nausée
pauvre Molière dans sa tombe...

pour une fois qu´ils nous lachent les baskets enfin

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DATE:19/07/10
SOURCE:Flight Daily News
FARNBOROUGH: Pakistan and China eye export JF-17 customers
By Siva Govindasamy

China and Pakistan are eyeing international customers for their Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 fighter, which is making its Western air show debut at Farnborough.

The countries jointly developed the aircraft, with the Pakistani air force receiving its first Chinese-manufactured examples in 2009. PAC also began indigenous assembly of the aircraft last year, and could incorporate western avionics, radars and other systems into the fighter from 2012.

Pakistan could have around 28 JF-17s in service by year-end, and eventually induct up to 250.

Both Pakistan and China are keen to export the fighter, which they tout as a low-cost alternative replace aged Northrop F-5s and Lockheed Martin F-16s. China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corp, which markets Chinese-made military aviation products globally, is in talks with around six potential customers, while the Pakistani government has also held initial discussions with others.

"China wants to use the JF-17 as part of its plan to become a significant player in the global military aviation market, while Pakistan is keen for exports that will help it to reduce its unit cost at its indigenous assembly plants," says an industry source. "Negotiations have been ongoing for a while now and they will continue at Farnborough, which is a great opportunity to show off what the aircraft can do."

Industry sources add that China has held talks with countries including the Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Venezuela, while Pakistani officials have held discussions with Egypt and Turkey.

A customer that commits to a "significant number of aircraft" could get help to set up an indigenous assembly plant if it is keen to help its domestic industry, say officials. This is similar to the arrangement with Pakistan for the JF-17 and a Chinese deal with Egypt for the Hongdu K-8 trainer and light attack aircraft several years ago.

Getting a suitable engine could be a potential hurdle, however, with Russia unwilling to allow China to use the Klimov RD-93 engine beyond the aircraft's current buyers. China's Guizhou Aircraft has been developing the WS-13 Taishan for the fighter for the past 10 years, and a JF-17 reportedly made a test flight using the new powerplant in March 2010. However, industry sources say the company is still not ready for mass production of the engine.

l histoire de l assemblage sur place n est pas mal pour qui veut faire son premier pas dans l industrie militaire

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Azerbaijan interested in purchase of JF-17 Thunder fighters

Pakistani fighter Catic JF-17 Thunder has been demonstrated at an airshow in Farnborough.

It has attracted the interest of a number of countries including Azerbaijan.

JF-17 Thunder fighter was initially developed by Chinese engineers for the needs of the Pakistani army. First fighters JF-17 Thunder (Chinese FC-1 Saolun) were supplied to the Pakistani armed forces in 2007.

Now the project is entering a new level and the Chinese-Pakistani producers are searching ways to the international market.

Among potential customers who demonstrated interest to the innovation are Azerbaijan, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, Venezuela and a number of other countries.

Earlier, the press spread information about an agreement with Azerbaijan regarding the purchase of at least 24 JF-17 fighters estimated at about $17m each, which envisions the volumes of supply at about $500,000,000.

The JF-17 fighter is 14 m in length, the wing span is 8.5 m and it is equipped with RD-93 engine.

The capacity of the plane is 3720 kg, the battle radius at the fighter version is 1200 km, maximal flight range is 3000 km. It can be equipped with different types of air-air and air-land rockets, as well as air bombs.

http://news.az/articles/20583

Le JF-17 n'est vraiment pas mal à ce prix, il est vrai que le JF-17 est un avion de ''gamme moyenne'', mais à ce prix c'est une très bonne affaire.

Décidement l'adzrébaidjan se prépare pour quelque chose Les aziris prennent la modernisation de leur armée très au sérieux, à l'image des derniers achats et des dernières manoeuvres qui simulent une attaque interarmée de grande envergure. En revanche je constate que l'arménie ne fait pas grand chose et se repose sur ses lauriers.

justement raptor ! c'est une cellule neuve et un avion totalement personnalisable, on peut y mettre tout ce qu'on veut...
à ce prix là 4 escadrons pour 1 milliard $ ça donne des idées

Il est vrai qu'il est pas pas mal cet avion y compris ses capacité je crois qu'ils nous en ont proposé avec des K-8 mais ca a du etre gentillement refusé..

Cet avions est chinois ou pakistanais ?