Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder

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Official designation: Fighter China-1 (FC-1) Xiaolong
PAF designation: Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder
Function: Air-superiority; Ground attack
Designer: Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute)
Manufacturer: Chengdu Aircraft Industry (Group) Corporation Ltd. (CAC)
Maiden flight: 25 August 2003
Operator: Pakistani Air Force
Estimated cost: US$15~20 million
The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Sino-Pakistani development programme that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost. Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China is the prime contractor for aircraft development and manufacture, while Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is the main partner responsible for post-sale service and maintenance, as well as the production of some parts for the aircraft in Pakistan. The aircraft was designed by Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute). Russia supplied its Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine for the aircraft.
The initial order was from the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) for eight aircraft, which were delivered in 2007~08. A further order for 42 aircraft worth about US$800 million was signed in March 2009. The aircraft is currently being built by CAC at a rate of 15 aircraft per annum, and this will increase to 30 aircraft per annum later. The total number required by the PAF could be as many as 250, worth US$3~5 billion.
Several other countries also showed interest in the aircraft. Despite previous reports suggesting that the FC-1 would also be equipped by the PLAAF, no order has been reported so far.
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/fc1.asp
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French authorities have given approval for industry to offer a Thales RC 400 airborne fire control radar and MBDA Mica air-to-air missiles to Pakistan, to be fitted on the JF-17 jet fighter built under license from China, a Pakistani official said.
“They are cleared for export negotiation,” the official said.
The sale has raised concerns of a potential breach of the EU military embargo on China.
Pakistan and France have drawn up a memorandum of understanding in which Islamabad promises not to release technology to China, the Pakistani official said. French industry submitted prices about a year and a half ago for the gear and these were no longer valid. With export clearance, commercial negotiations can take place.
The Délégation Générale pour l’Armement arms agency, MBDA and Thales declined comment.
Source: DefenseNews.com
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Serial production of JF-17 aircraft to start soon, NA body told
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) would soon start serial production of JF-17 Thunder in collaboration with China, Standing Committee of the National Assembly on Defence Production was informed on Thursday.
The committee, headed by Sheikh Aftab Ahmad, visited the PAC and was given a detailed briefing on the ongoing projects. PAC Chairman Air Marshal Khalid Chaudhry gave a detailed briefing on the projects, informing them that the PAC has set up the factory for initiating the serial aircraft’s production. He said PAC had the capability to manufacture 75 percent of avionics and 58 percent of air-frame of the fighter aircraft.
About other projects being carried out by PAC, he said facility had been overhauling around 180 engines of various fighter jets and 60 aircraft a year. He also said the Mirage Rebuild Factory, which is a part of PAC has been rebuilding 35-year old Mirage aircraft, which were bought as scrap from various countries.
The chairman as well as members of the committee appreciated the work being carried out at PAC. They assured their full support to the management of PAC. app
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\01\02\story_2-1-2009_pg7_26
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French arms deal with Pakistan risks US ire
By Federico Bordonaro
The news last month that Pakistan is likely to get French air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and radar for its JF-17 fighter aircraft has raised some eyebrows in the US.
The reason is that MICA AAMs produced by MBDA and RC-400 multimission radar built by Thales may enrich China's rapidly growing military capabilities if sold to Pakistan, since Islamabad is developing its fighter plane jointly with Beijing. The JF-17 is a lightweight multi-role fighter co-developed by Pakistan

Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation under a joint venture of China and Pakistan.
Thus, some observers say, the widely debated European Union arm systems ban against China may finally be circumvented, in such a way that it could damage US efforts to keep Beijing's air power at disadvantage vis-a-vis Taiwan. As some Indian and Pakistani sources have pointed out, French-built Mirage fighters owned by Taiwan are actually equipped with such missiles and radar.
Taiwan and India are obviously concerned with China's military build-up. If China gets the chance to closely look at French advanced technology in possession of Taipei, Beijing could theoretically become capable of countering it effectively.
However, it must be noted that the issue of military technology transfer is fairly complicated, and that Pakistan's acquisition of French systems is not automatically a dramatic reinforcement of Chinese capabilities, unlike some reports suggest.
In fact, if French companies sell radar and missiles to Pakistan, they don't sell the know-how necessary to build such systems from scratch. Clearly, bits of the source code needed to integrate the components into the JF-17 will be transferred by the French to the Pakistanis. Missile-radar integration and avionics will be developed by France and Pakistan, with the Chinese contribution focused on hardware.
This means that if Pakistan transfers such code to Beijing, China could actually become capable of integrating the two systems into its fighter jets (like the J-10), although it will not include the JF-17 in its air force. But it does not mean that Beijing will be able to produce such systems.
Therefore, the key variable here is how many MICAs and RC-400s France sells to Pakistan. Of course, if Islamabad buys new series of them after the first acquisition, it is conceivable that China could get its hand on them in the future, independently of the JF-17 development.
Rumors of the deaL
It is certainly no secret that France has eyed Indian and Pakistani defense markets as a great opportunity to expand its strong military-industrial sector. For years, French companies have provided weapons and systems to both Delhi and Islamabad. However, the deal regarding the JF-17 has been a difficult one, mainly for political-diplomatic reasons. This explains the lack of information from France and the extreme cautiousness in all aspects of the current arrangements.
After some leading British and US publications highlighted the danger of sensitive military technology transfer to China via Pakistan, officials from MBDA and Thales refused to comment on the deal. France's Defense Minister Herve Morin subtly conveyed the Paris position nonetheless, as he replied to Associated Press journalists that "to my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan".
Back in September 2004, Jane's Defence Weekly's special correspondent Robert Sae-Liu reported that the choice of a multimode pulse-Doppler radar for the JF-17 fighter was reported in 2003 as "involving a competition between Phazotron of Russia with the Kopyo system, Galileo (FIAR) of Italy with the Grifo S-7, and Thales of France with the RC 400".
Hence, a short history of the JF-17 project unveils Thales' interest. The simple fact that two French companies are involved in the issue worries the US. Paris has long lobbied within the EU for lifting of the arms embargo against Beijing imposed by Europe after the 1989 Tienanmen incident.
Most French Gaullists and Socialists have pushed for a lifting of the ban. The reason is twofold. On one hand, the French defense industry is aggressively seeking expansion in Asia's markets, and China is arguably the most interesting of them. On the other hand, Paris cultivates the geopolitical ambition of creating a multipolar world in which the EU will progressively acquire strategic autonomy from the United States.
However, President Nicolas Sarkozy's election in May 2007 has started an apparently rapid and powerful rapprochement between Paris and Washington on a number of issues. Interestingly, some French analysts who deal with so-called "economic warfare" dynamics have recently criticized France's pro-China orientation. They have even lambasted civilian air industry deals with Beijing made by Airbus, reasoning that French companies that only seek market opportunities will eventually jeopardize European technological superiority over China.
Up until this year, though, Washington has successfully counter-lobbied France's efforts to persuade its EU partners about the anachronism of the embargo, and the ban is still valid despite numerous predictions of its imminent demise. Now, Sino-Pakistani military cooperation, which is likely to remain strong also in light of the growing US-Indian strategic partnership, could complicate the situation even more.
Washington furious?
While on the surface the Franco-American reconciliation is fully underway, the reality is slightly more complicated. Paris' hard, pro-US stance on Iran's nuclear issue is one thing; another matter is how France and the US perceive the international system and balance of power.
Sarkozy's position on the arms ban against Beijing will possibly become clearer after the French president visits Beijing later this year, but it is unlikely that France will completely abandon its dream of a more assertive and autonomous Europe when it comes to security and defense policy.
Quoted by the Pakistani daily Dawn on September 14, British defense analyst and Asia specialist Alexander Neill said that Washington may have a "quite vicious" reaction if France does not reconsider selling such systems to Islamabad.
However, according to various sources, France and Pakistan will likely reach an agreement on the missiles and radar. It is thus possible that China will be able to exploit yet another fault line in French and American diplomacy.
Whether or not the development of the JF-17 will allow China to acquire military systems and technology that will boost its power in relation to Taiwan, as the US fears, such a program will likely cause a dilemma for France: by proceeding with enhanced cooperation with Pakistan, Paris risks not only triggering Washington's ire, but also upsetting India and Taiwan - thereby complicating its future defense marketing with two important buyers.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IJ10Df01.html

c'est sur qu'une participation marocaine à ce programme ne serait pas de refus,c'est un chasseur parfait pour nos besoins,en plus pas cher 15M $ l'unité

il suffit de lire la 1ère page ! un peu d'effort voyons, lisez l'historique que vos camarades ont cumulé avant de poser des questions évidentes !

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Un contrat militaire avec le Pakistan bloqué par Paris

L'avion de chasse pakistano-chinois JF 17 Thunder aux couleurs des deux pays exposé au centre aéronautique de Kamra au Pakistan.
AFP/Aamir Qureshi
Par RFI

Selon le quotidien Le Monde, Paris a décidé de bloquer un important contrat d'équipement de défense destiné au Pakistan, de l'électronique, et des missiles qui étaient destinés à équiper l'avion de chasse pakistanais JF 17 fabriqué avec la Chine. Un contrat dont la première tranche s'élève à 1 milliard 200 millions d'euros –sur un total de 6 milliards-, qui pourrait donc tomber à l'eau, pour ne pas fâcher l'Inde, mais aussi peut-être pour protéger l'industrie aéronautique française.

L'augmentation des ventes d'armes touche davantage les régions en conflit.
15/03/2010 - Commerce / Armement / SIPRI
Les ventes d'armes explosent dans le monde y compris dans les pays en développement
Le petit chasseur sino-pakistanais JF-17 entre en service en 2007, mais très vite, les militaires pakistanais ne sont pas satisfaits de l'électronique chinoise. Ils décident alors de rééquiper leurs avions avec des systèmes européens. Les sociétés Thales et MBDA sont sélectionnées.

Selon Le Monde, en 2008, la Commission interministérielle d'étude des exportations de matériel de guerre donne un avis favorable mais, toujours selon le quotidien français, à trois semaines de la visite à Paris du Premier ministre pakistanais Youssouf Raza Gilani, Paris aurait fait volte-face. Le chef du gouvernement pakistanais est attendu le 19 avril à Paris pour une visite officielle.

Le Pakistan ne donnerait pas assez de garanties, notamment relativement à la protection de la technologie française. Des radars et des missiles dernier cri pourraient se retrouver aux mains des Chinois, maîtres d'oeuvre du programme JF-17 (Thunder).

Aux questions techniques s'ajoutent des enjeux diplomatiques et commerciaux , car la France est également en discussion pour vendre du matériel de guerre à New Delhi. Il ne faudrait donc pas froisser le voisin indien.

Enfin, si la France veut exporter son Rafale aux Emirats arabes unis, elle doit trouver un repreneur pour les Mirages 2000 de l'armée émirati. Or, ces avions pourraient être revendus au Pakistan. Mais si les JF 17 sont modernisés, l'armée pakistanaise n'aura plus besoin de ces Mirages d'occasion…
http://www.rfi.fr/contenu/20100403-contrat-militaire-le-pakistan-bloque-paris

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Publié le 18/11/2010 à 12:58 AFP



Le Pakistan va armer ses avions de combat de missiles chinois

Le Pakistan, allié traditionnel de Pékin, va acheter à la Chine des missiles et des systèmes de navigation pour équiper ses 250 avions de chasse JF-17, a rapporté jeudi la presse officielle chinoise.

Des radars et des missiles autoguidés SD-10 chinois vont être installés sur les chasseurs-bombardiers JF-17, que la Chine et le Pakistan ont développé en commun, a précisé au quotidien Global Times Rao Qamar Suleman, qui commande l'armée de l'air pakistanaise.

"L'armée de l'air pakistanaise ne prévoit pas d'installer pour l'instant des armes et des systèmes occidentaux sur cet avion", a déclaré le haut-gradé, en marge du salon de l'aéronautique chinois de Zhuhai (sud).

Le Pakistan envisage par ailleurs d'acheter à la Chine des missiles sol-air, a déclaré Rao Qamar Suleman dans une interview distincte au journal China Daily.

Islamabad avait dans un premier temps prévu d'attribuer l'important contrat concernant ses chasseurs JF-17 à une société française, ATE, qui devait monter sur les appareils pakistanais des équipements du groupe Thales et du missilier européen MBDA.

Mais le dossier avait été gelé, avait annoncé le 2 avril dernier l'Elysée, en évoquant une affaire "pas prête du tout côté pakistanais".

Le journal Le Monde, qui avait révélé le gel de ce contrat de 1,2 milliard d'euros, avait expliqué que la décision avait été motivée notamment par le désir de la France de ménager l'Inde, le grand rival du Pakistan.

La Chine est le principal fournisseur d'armes du Pakistan. Pékin entretient des relations étroites avec le Pakistan, qu'il considère comme un important contre-poids face à l'Inde, autre poids lourd asiatique.

Le comble serait que la France ne remporte pas le MMRCA

un tient vaut mieu que deux tu aura ...

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Pakistan to build radar for JF-17 'Thunder' fighter
By Farhan Bokhari
24 December 2010

Pakistan is to build a Chinese-designed radar for the JF-17 'Thunder' fighter, according to the chief of the Pakistan Air Force. (IHS Jane's/Patrick Allen)

The chief of staff of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has told Jane's that Pakistan has built its first facility to manufacture radars for fighter aircraft.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said the indigenously produced radar, built with China's assistance at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), in Kamra, north of Islamabad, would equip the JF-17 'Thunder' fighter aircraft jointly produced by the two countries.

"This is a major step forward. This will be the first such [radar manufacturing] facility in Pakistan," ACM Suleman said in an interview on 21 December at PAF headquarters in Islamabad. He confirmed that the radar would be fitted on the JF-17, which, along with US-supplied F-16 Fighting Falcons, is set to be the PAF's front-line combat aircraft.

Previous reports suggest that the radar to be manufactured will be the Chinese-built CETC/NRIET KLJ-7 radar set. At the 2010 Farnborough Air Show, at which two JF-17s made their debut in the West, Jane's reported that the KLJ-7 had received full marks from the JF-17's designers at PAC.

A PAC programme officer told Jane's : "I have flown with this radar and with other models that we have looked at fitting to this aircraft, such as the Thales RC400, and the Chinese radar is every bit as capable as its contemporary analogs."

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http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw101224_1_n.shtml

nos frère pakistanais , ont fais une grande pas vers la nationalisation d une industrie militaire respectable et le jf 17 tunther n' est que le début d'un programme ambitieux ,
je rêve que notre cher pays participe a ce programme on achetons une belle centaine on peut nous aussi commencer dans le métier , comme l'Égypte .... mais hélas personne ne ponce de la nationalisation industrielle nous sommes en 2011 est on a rien inventer même un fusil je me souviens dans le primaire , le prof nos a dit que pendons la guerre historique avec les portugais nos ancêtre fabrique l un des grands artillerie a l époque ,mais maintenant on est loin de nos ancêtre

Edit Fahed 64: Poste HS. Attention, si tu as rien d'autre à dire mieux vaut pour toi que tu n'écrives pas

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Chinese export edition FC-1 ( JF-17 "Thunder") fighter, Where to find a cheap 3rd fighter only cost 10~20mil dollars?
"2011 Turkey Air Show"

JF-17 Thunder chinoix équipé de 2 BVRAAMs SD-10/PL-12

Quand je vois la tête du train d'atterrissage avant de l'appareil j'ai de gros doute sur sa fiabilité

Fahed64 a écrit:

Quand je vois la tête du train d'atterrissage avant de l'appareil j'ai de gros doute sur sa fiabilité

De fabrication chinoise très largement inspiré de celui du J 20...

Pictures Of JF-17 Thunder

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prototype 4

It uses western standard MIL-STD-1760 to allow for integration of western weapons and can also get hooked on with Russian weapons.

It can receive datalink info from ground or AWACS.

Prototype 04's EW suite also has a ECM pod

Prototype 04's can Track 10 targets from 40 scanned targets and handle 2 concurrent BVR engagement. The range vs 3 m^2 targets is larger than 75KM and look down
Weapon controlling computer directly connects to MFD's structure. It uses information from each system to display on the 1 HUD and 3MFDs.

04 uses all digital integrated electronic display. all computers/electronics uses 2 STD-MTL-1553B databus combined, curren info shared repository and shared data repository. According to demand, it also divides into weapons w/commands, radar, EW, communication, electronic control, payload control, FBW and so on. This avionics system's core lies in 2 advanced weapons controlling computer. these two computers do something... Each computer controls 1 double thick 1553B databus?

04 uses a hotas controller

This HUD has 24 degree in sight. It can add infrared signal? and supply flying, navigation, liftoff and landing info, it can also display target details and shooting detail. It can also communicate, navigate using the GUI There is a camera located above the HUD. It records HUD and external sights. The JF-17 HUD uses a lot of digital processing and information integration information. For example, radar information, fight command info. HUD's controller has the ability to change display.

Il figure parmi l'ensemble des équipements du JF17 pakistanais

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WMD-7
Suspended container screening and targeting with infrared, laser sensors, and television.
It is designed to search, recognize and identify targets day or night using infrared sensors, and television. It enables automatic target tracking, provides information about the distance and direction to the target shooting system for carriers. It is equipped with a laser designator and objectives to guide laser guided munitions. It provides visual information to assess the state of destination.


Length: 2.700 m
Score: 0.390 m
Weight: 280 kg

Operating range (target 12m x 12m x 10m):
ID: finding targets over 20 km, the identification of over 15 km
TV: Check the destination of over 22 km, the identification of over 17 km
Max. distance for a laser designator marking targets: over 13km

Electrical interface: MIL-STD-1760


Source:
According to the manufacturer's Farnborough 2010th

http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/101931

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DUBAI: JF-17 makes Dubai debut
By: Greg Waldron Dubai
07:06 13 Nov 2011
Source: flightglobal

The Chengdu JF-17 is making its debut at Dubai this year with three aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force. Jointly developed by China and Pakistan, the JF-17 is pitched at developing nations that need a relatively cheap multi-role fighter to replace aircraft such as the Northrop F-5 and Mikoyan Gurevich MiG-21.

ca ressemble a un Rafale paki

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DUBAI: China, Pakistan tout affordability of JF-17
By: Greg Waldron Dubai
16 hours ago
Source: flightglobal

Five countries in the Middle East are evaluating the JF-17 as an affordable replacement fighter alongside China's Peoples Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

The sales opportunities for the programme were described by the head of the Pakistan air force, Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar Suleman. He was speaking at a press briefing hosted by the PAF and the China Aviation Technology/Import-Export Corporation (CATIC), the government-owned company responsible for Beijing's aerospace defence exports.

He added that the five countries could send pilots to Pakistan to evaluate the single-engine fighter.

He also said he visited the PLAAF in China recently, where he discussed the programme with his Chinese counterparts.

It has long been known that the PLAAF has followed the JF-17 programme closely, but most industry observers have shared the view that it prefers to focus on replacing older aircraft with the J-10A, J-10B and Shenyang J-11.

ACM Suleman and the other presenters placed great emphasis on their claims about the JF-17's affordability. They claim the aircraft is two to three times cheaper than rivals on a flyaway basis, and that the aircraft is also inexpensive to support.

Separately, PAF Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, deputy chief project director (operations) for the JF-17 programme, said there is a potential market of around 4,000-5,000 aircraft as air forces seek to replace Mikoyan MiG-21s, MiG-23s, MiG-29s and Northrop F-5s.

"There is no plane that gives this much capability at this cost," added Air Cdre Mahmood.

He said that in PAF service the aircraft has completed 10,000 sorties. The PAF has two active squadrons of 16-18 aircraft each, with the third squadron to be activated in the coming months. The PAF has confirmed it will buy 150 aircraft, but this could run to 250.

He said about half of the airframe and more than half of the avionics are produced in Pakistan.

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Pakistan offers cut-price fighter jet



(Reuters) - Pakistan is pitching its new JF17 Thunder fighter jet, developed jointly with China, at an aggressive discount to dominant Western rivals, the country's defense minister said on Sunday.

"You can buy three of our aircraft for one F-16," Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar told Reuters at the Dubai Air Show, where the aircraft is being displayed.

He said that the producer, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, was not able to keep pace with the requirements of the air force.

"Three squadrons are already flying the aircraft in Pakistan and one squadron in China," he added.

Analysts expect the aircraft, which Mukhtar said was priced at $25-30 million, to be focused on emerging markets in Asia and Africa.

"Going to the (European) market is not very easy because you are cutting the profits of some other people," Mukhtar said.

He said the development of the aircraft was not targeted at archrival India.

"India need not worry -- it's not India-specific. We are building very close relations with India."

(Reporting by Sitaraman Shankar and Mahmoud Habboush; Editing by David Cowell)

On commence à beaucoup en parler dans les médias chinois ..

Pour résumer la vidéo on peut dire que le "JF 17 is very friendly"

Fremo a écrit:

Impressionant quand meme pour un avion a petit budget

ya la version aesa et materiaux absorbant qui est en cours je croit.

Très instructif

(père noël si tu es là... lkhbar frassek...)

Le dragon se réveille, va falloir étudier un peu l'industrie chinoise pour être up to date

munitions stand-off on a mieux
BVRAAM on a mieux
missile anti-radiation on a mieux
antiship missile: ça reste volonté politique on peut avoir mieux

seul le air launched cruise missile RA'AD que je trouve fort intéressant et qu'on risque pas d'avoir facilement de l'occident
je ne sais pas si la PAF l'adapterait aux F16 un peu comme les turques envisagent de faire pour leur SOM

FAMAS a écrit:

je ne sais pas si la PAF l'adapterait aux F16 un peu comme les turques envisagent de faire pour leur SOM

Les codes sources, la PAF les obtiendra comment? Les turques upgradent leur F16 en partenariat avec les USA via ToT et après feu vert politique, leur partenariat avec LM va au delà du F16 et concerne aussi le F35... Tandis que le pakistan c'est la chine... C'est comme coopérer avec la chine

Ce qui est étonnant dans le cas JF17 c'est pas qu'on a pas ces munitions, on a l'équivalent bien sur, ce qui est étonnant ce sont toutes les possibilités qu'il offre pour un prix d'acquisition très abordable... Après on peut débattre de la lucidité ou non de la décision d'acquérir un avion chinois, ce n'est pas une science exacte et les avis peuvent diverger, mais ça ne change rien du fait que l'avion soit étonnant !!

rapport qualité prix en avions neuf doit etre imbattable (BVR,CDVE,munition guidés air sol air mer, pods...)

un bon remplacant pour les Mig-21/F-5.... qui malgré upgrad arrive a bout de souffle dans beaucoup d armées