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Citation :: Pakistan Selects German Submarines

Pakistan to buy German subs, ignore French

KARACHI: In a departure from the past practice of acquiring submarines from France, Pakistan will buy three German Type 214 submarines.

Walter Freitag, the chief executive officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world, told The News on Tuesday in an exclusive interview at the IDEAS 2008 here that his company had finalised technical specifications with the navy to build three Type 214 submarines in Pakistan.

The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 per cent, he said, hoping the final contract in this regard will be signed soon. This is the first time that a clear picture of the billion-dollar deal that the Pakistan Navy is expected to sign in coming months has emerged. Earlier, during mid-90s, the navy had selected three French Agosta 90-B submarines, which were in addition to the two acquired earlier. The deal had generated a lot of controversy at that time.

This time French firm Armaris had offered to supply Pakistan three updated single-hulled, diesel-electric submarines all-French version of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene boat equipped with air-independent propulsion, a deal totalling about $1.2 billion.

However, Walter Freitag said he did not see that kind of controversy enveloping this project perceived during the 90s. The Pakistan Navy understands submarines and ours are the best, he said, rejecting claims of competitors that the Greek Navy had rejected Type 214.

In the Hellenic Navys case, a neutral surveyor was appointed, who decided that the submarine was technically OK and ready for commissioning, he said. The HDW CEO said the Type 214 was technologically more advanced than those of competitors. We use higher grade steel material, which allows greater diving depth, he said. Also, we have fuel cell AIPs and can integrate Harpoons with the Type 214.

The first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan Navy in 64 months after signing of the contract while the rest would be completed successively in 12 months. Walter Freitag stated that they would be using facilities at the Karachi Shipyard for building Type 214 and minimal upgrade would be required. He added that the Type 214 was 100 per cent German and there was no chance of embargo on it in any case.

Meanwhile, authoritative sources told The News that the decision to acquire Type 214 over the French submarine was made not only because the submarine was more advanced than the French Marlin, but also because many countries had deployed the Type 214 submarines, so there would be no issue of spares.

They said Turkey would be acquiring six Type 214s, South Korea had ordered six more in addition to three ordered earlier, Portugal had bought two, besides several bought by the German Navy. As such, supportability for the Type 214 for the next 30-35 years would not be a major concern.

http://www.thenews.com.pk

Citation :: PAF jet crashes near Jhang

JHANG: A pilot survived Tuesday when a Pakistan Air Force fighter jet crashed near Jhang in the central Province of Punjab. The aircraft crashed at Muza Jannan, in Kot Shakir, near Jhang.
The jet, which took off at Rafiqi airbase, was on operational training exercise at Thal when it crashed. On the other hand, the statement issued by Pakistan Air Force said that a Mirage fighter aircraft, while on a routine operational training mission, crashed near Thal.
The Pilot of the aircraft Amad ejected safely, no loss of civilian life or property has been reported on ground.
A board of inquiry has been ordered by Air Headquarters to determine the cause of accident. Sources informed Online technical fault was the reason behind the crash of jet fighter

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Citation :: SOURCE:Flight International
Pakistan requests aircraft spares from USA
By Greg Waldron

Pakistan has requested a Foreign Military Sales deal to acquire spare parts for a number of its air force types, including the Lockheed Martin C-130 transport, F-16 fighter and T-33 trainer, as well as the Cessna T-37 trainer.

A notice issued by the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency on 12 May notified Congress of a possible $62 million sale, but made no mention as to when Pakistan made the request.

Relations between Islamabad and Washington have been strained following the US special forces raid that killed al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden in the Pakistani city of Abottabad on 2 May.

Earlier this year the Pakistani air force inducted 17 new F-16 Block 52+ fighters into 5 Sqn, part of an 18-aircraft deal signed in 2006. Pakistan's 34 F-16A/B Block 15 aircraft are also undergoing mid-life upgrades.

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Citation :: China to provide Pakistan 50 Thunder jets, talks for stealth on

Beijing: China has agreed to immediately provide Pakistan 50 new JF-17 Thunder multi-role jets under a co-production agreement even as talks are on for more fighter aircraft including those with stealth technology.

China will immediately provide 50 JF-17 Thunder aircraft to Pakistan, an unnamed official was quoted as saying by the Dawn daily.

"We will get these planes in weeks," he said, adding that a formal agreement to that effect was likely to be signed today.

The official said Pakistan and China were already jointly producing the JF-17 aircraft, but these 50 planes would be equipped with more sophisticated avionics.

He said the war planes to be fully funded by China would help bolster Pakistan's defence and add to tactical capability of its air force.

The News daily reported that it is likely that these planes will be supplied by June next year.

It added that the two countries are also discussing the supply of Chinese J-20 stealth jets and Xiaolong/FC-1 multi-purpose light fighter aircraft to Pakistan.

They are discussing the mode of payment and the number of planes to be provided to Pakistan, the report said. With the supply of the new fighters, Pakistan Air Force will now have a total of 260 Chinese jets, making them the mainstay of the force.

Meanwhile, in a sign of greater cooperation between the two countries, China will also launch a satellite for Pakistan on August 14.

The satellite will supply "multifarious data" to Pakistan, the report said.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was on a visit to China, said both sides had agreed to increase defence cooperation and China had assured Pakistan of help in enhancing the capacity of its armed forces.

www.ndtv.com

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Citation :: Pakistan Asks China to Build Naval Base in Nation

Pakistan wants China to build a naval base at a deep-sea port in southwestern Baluchistan province, its defense minister said May 22, while also inferring that Washington was a fair-weather friend.

"However, we would be more grateful to the Chinese government if a naval base was being constructed at the site of Gwader for Pakistan," Mukhtar said in a statement.

la suite : http://geneva-globaldefence.blogspot.com/2011/05/pakistan-asks-china-to-build-naval-base.html

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Citation :: SOURCE:Flight International
Taliban destroy two Pakistan navy P-3Cs
Two Pakistan navy Lockheed Martin P-3C Orion maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft have been destroyed on the ground during a raid by Pakistani Taliban militants.

Ten to 15 militants infiltrated the PNS Mehran base near Karachi late in the evening of 22 May and occupied it. During the assault they reportedly launched rocket-propelled grenades that set the Orions ablaze.

Pakistani forces eventually regained full control of the base after 15h of fighting. They killed or arrested some of the attackers, while others reportedly committed suicide. Five naval personnel were also killed and 18 injured.

An official in the Pakistani military has confirmed that two P-3Cs were destroyed. Pakistan media reports suggest that other P-3Cs could have been damaged. One image showed a P-3C as a burnt-out hulk, with only its port wing left intact.

The loss of two P-3Cs and possible damage to others will come as a major blow as the type is the mainstay of the Pakistan naval air arm. Under a 2006 contract with the US government's Foreign Military Sales framework, Pakistan purchased seven former US Navy P-3Cs. The aircraft were fully refurbished by Lockheed with upgraded mission equipment.

"The aircraft support anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare missions and will enhance Pakistan's ability to conduct maritime surveillance in littoral and deep-water environments," Lockheed said in early 2010.

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un petit dessin vaut mieux qu'un long discours scratch

ce pays ne m´inspire plus confiance,il prend lentement forme d´un failed state,un etat non stable qui echoue et devient carte de jeu entre differents clans militaires du pays(tiens un deja vu pas loin..),mais le grand probleme c´est que son asenal nucleaire est dans les mains de ces memes pakis qui ne peuvent garder meme leurs bases

dommage pour les Orion refurbishés Mad

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Citation :: Pakistan to ask US for two more Orion planes

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will ask the United States to supply it two additional PC-3 Orion planes for its Navy to make up the deficiency of the loss of two planes which were destroyed by the terrorists on Sunday evening at Mehran Air Base Karachi in an act of terrorism.

Pakistan being an ally of the US in the so-called war on terrorism reserves the right for making such demand. The Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) that will discuss various aspects of the matter in its meeting on Wednesday could take a position about the demand.

Pakistan’s plea has strong backing in view of the act of terrorism that caused the destruction of the two planes. Pakistan Naval Aviation is an important arm of the Pakistan Navy and assists in the surface and submarine flights to guarantee the safety of Pakistan sea borders. The loss of the planes could weaken the capacity of the Navy in actions against the terror activities across the sea. The US is supposed to provide two such planes by the end of the year according to earlier agreed schedule.

Well placed sources told The News here Monday evening that Prime Minister Gilani has asked Defence Secretary Lt Gen (r) Syed Athar Ali to proceed to Karachi to make an assessment on ground at the Mehran Base so that he should put up detailed preliminary report about the gory incident at the DCC. General Athar who is uncle in relationship of late Lieutenant Yasser Abbas who laid down his life in fighting with the terrorists at Mehran Base, has gone to Lahore to receive the dead-body of the martyred and he will be proceeding to Karachi from Lahore after attending his Namaz-e-Janaza.

The deceased was six feet and two inches tall young man whose father Dr Jaffar Abbas belonged to Medical Corps of the Army and retired as colonel. Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Noman Bashir who spent his whole night at the Naval Headquarters here after the initiation of the act of terror on Sunday night at Mehran Base, got in touch with the local command in Karachi and kept on guiding it regularly. He left for Karachi in the following morning from the Naval Headquarters.

The headquarters remained on its toes the whole night. The CNS will submit detailed technical report about the whole terrible episode in the DCC, the sources said. The sources pointed out that Pakistan Navy’s aviation force currently consists of three Westland Lynx - anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters, six Westland Sea King Mk45 - Anti Submarine/ Anti Surface Warfare helicopters (Based at Karachi), eight Aerospatiale SA-319B Alouette III - transport/anti-ship helicopters, seven Lockheed P-3C Orion - maritime surveillance/ anti-submarine warfare aircraft/airborne early warning. Future supply of seven more under an agreement with Lockheed Martin signed in 2006; two upgraded P-3C Orion delivered on 7th Jan 2010 while one was delivered in Nov 2009. Another two advanced P-3C Orion aircraft to be delivered soon (Two of the upgraded version have been destroyed overnight terrorism action), seven Fokker F27-200 Friendship - maritime surveillance aircraft, four Hawker 850 - VIP transport aircraft, two Breguet Atlantique, one maritime surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft, thirty two Dassault Mirage V - anti-ship attack aircraft flown by PAF which are based at PAF base Masroor in Karachi, (operated by the PAF), Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, twelve Harbin Z-9EC anti-submarine warfare helicopters equipped with a surface-search radar, low frequency dipping sonar, radar warning receiver, Doppler navigation system and armed with torpedoes.

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Citation :: SOURCE:Flight International
Taliban destroy two Pakistan navy P-3Cs
Two Pakistan navy Lockheed Martin P-3C Orion maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft have been destroyed on the ground during a raid by Pakistani Taliban militants.

Ten to 15 militants infiltrated the PNS Mehran base near Karachi late in the evening of 22 May and occupied it. During the assault they reportedly launched rocket-propelled grenades that set the Orions ablaze.

Pakistani forces eventually regained full control of the base after 15h of fighting. They killed or arrested some of the attackers, while others reportedly committed suicide. Five naval personnel were also killed and 18 injured.

An official in the Pakistani military has confirmed that two P-3Cs were destroyed. Pakistan media reports suggest that other P-3Cs could have been damaged. One image showed a P-3C as a burnt-out hulk, with only its port wing left intact.

The loss of two P-3Cs and possible damage to others will come as a major blow as the type is the mainstay of the Pakistan naval air arm. Under a 2006 contract with the US government's Foreign Military Sales framework, Pakistan purchased seven former US Navy P-3Cs. The aircraft were fully refurbished by Lockheed with upgraded mission equipment.

"The aircraft support anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare missions and will enhance Pakistan's ability to conduct maritime surveillance in littoral and deep-water environments," Lockheed said in early 2010.

Citation :: Pakistani soldiers walk past the wreckage of a P-3C Orion aircraft at a major Pakistani naval air base a day after militants attack in Karachi on May 24, 2011. Pakistan is investigating a brazen assault on a naval base in Karachi, raking over clues in a bid to identify the attackers who carried out the siege, two of whom may have escaped. It was the worst assault on a military base since the army headquarters was besieged in October 2009, piling further embarrassment on the armed forces three weeks after Osama bin Laden was found living under their noses.

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Citation :: China to Provide Additional Fighter Jets to Pakistan

Pakistan is to receive an additional 50 FC-1 Xiaolong fighter jets from China in a deal agreed during the recent visit of Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to Beijing, China.
Details regarding the value of the deal have not been disclosed, however, the cost of each plane is between $20m and $25m.
The planes are cost-efficient replacements for aging aircraft such as the MiG-21 and Northrop F-5 Tiger, according to the Associated Press.
Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar said delivery of the JF-17 Thunder jets is likely to take place within six months.
The JF-17 Thunder is a single-engine multirole fighter that has been developed in cooperation between China and Pakistan.

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DCNS va livrer le second MESMA destiné aux sous-marins pakistanais

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Le module MESMA est intégré à un tronçon de coque
crédits : DCNS

01/06/2011

Le site DCNS d'Indret, près de Nantes, vient d'achever les essais du second Module d'Energie Sous-Marine Anaérobie (MESMA) commandé par le Pakistan pour équiper ses sous-marins du type Agosta 90B. L'ensemble sera prochainement transféré par barge, jusqu'au terminal de Montoir de Bretagne, dans l'estuaire de la Loire, avant de rejoindre par cargo le Pakistan. De là, le MESMA, contenu dans un tronçon de coque, sera ajouté par jumboïsation sur le sous-marin pour lequel il est destiné. En fait, la coque du bâtiment sera découpée derrière le kiosque et le module inséré puis soudé aux parties avant et arrière. La longueur du sous-marin passera alors de 67.6 mètres à 76.2 mètres, alors que le déplacement atteindra 1980 tonnes en plongée, contre 1760 actuellement.
Pour l'heure, seul l'un des trois Agosta 90B pakistanais est équipé dès l'origine d'un MESMA. Il s'agit du dernier de la série, l'Hamza, qui a été réceptionné en septembre 2008 par la marine pakistanaise après avoir testé avec succès son système de propulsion anaérobie.

Allers-retours entre Indret et Cherbourg

Spécialisé dans les systèmes propulsifs, le site DCNS d'Indret a développé le MESMA afin d'augmenter l'autonomie en plongée des sous-marins diesels. Suivant le montage industriel retenu, l'établissement ligérien a réalisé le système avant de l'expédier à Cherbourg. Le site normand, qui a d'ailleurs construit le premier des trois Agosta pakistanais (les autres l'ont été en transfert de technologie à l'arsenal de Karachi), intègre ensuite le MESMA à un tronçon de coque, qu'il a réalisé sur place. Une fois le module intégré, le colis, d'un poids d'environ 160 tonnes, est reparti vers Indret pour subir une campagne d'essais, de mesure des performances et de qualification. Cette période, qui a duré 10 mois, devrait être réduite pour le prochain module grâce à l'effet de série. Le troisième MESMA a d'ailleurs débuté sa période d'essais au début du mois de mai. Ces deux modules seront intégrés au Pakistan sur les sous-marins Khalid et Saad au cours d'un grand carénage qui fera également office de refonte.

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MESMA intégré dans un tronçon de coque (© : DCNS)

Augmenter l'autonomie en plongée

Système de propulsion anaérobie, le MESMA a donc pour but d'augmenter significativement l'autonomie des sous-marins conventionnels, contraints d'aller chercher l'air en surface pour recharger leurs batteries. Le système de DCNS fonctionne suivant le même principe que la propulsion nucléaire, la source chaude étant remplacée sur Agosta 90B par de l'éthanol et sur Scorpène par du gasoil. La combustion crée des gaz qui cèdent leurs calories à de l'eau et la transforment en vapeur. Celle-ci se détend dans une turbine, qui fait tourner les alternateurs. Le comburant, ne pouvant être de l'air, est remplacé par de l'oxygène, stocké en bouteille sous forme cryogénique. Afin d'éviter que les gaz d'échappement, rejetés en mer, provoquent une indiscrétion, un système dilue dans l'eau les bulles de CO2. Selon ses concepteurs, le MESMA permet de tripler l'autonomie en plongée, soit trois semaines à faible vitesse. On notera que des recherches sont en cours pour améliorer la puissance des batteries, notamment avec la technologie lithium-ion.

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Principe de fonctionnement du MESMA (© : MER ET MARINE - VINCENT WISNIEWSKI)

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la France aurait décidé de privilégier ses relations avec l'Inde et donc renoncé à vendre des équipements militaires au Pakistan ... quelle serait le sort du 3° MESMA si cela est vrai Rolling Eyes

Citation :: La France suit l’argent et la sécurité

Afin d’obtenir des commandes d’armement de la part de l’Inde, la France a accepté d’arrêter la vente de systèmes importants d’armement au Pakistan. Bien que la France ait vendu il y a quelques années des sous-marins au Pakistan, elle va désormais s’interdire de lui vendre des améliorations couteuses. Cette décision est la suite logique de certaines réalités de base concernant le Pakistan (qui est constamment fauché) et de l’Inde (dont le budget militaire est 7 fois plus élevé que celui du Pakistan et qui le dépense toujours plus dans des armements occidentaux).

La France va continuer de vendre au Pakistan des équipements dont elle (et l’Inde) pense qu’il sera principalement utile pour lutter contre le terrorisme islamique. Cela pourrait comprendre des systèmes d’espionnage électronique, pour surveiller les communications des terroristes, et des armes et du matériel pour les unités pakistanaises de lutte contre le terrorisme.
L’Inde “a aidé” la France à prendre cette décision en bloquant la modification prévue, pour un montant de 2,4 milliards $, des chasseurs Mirage 2000 de l’armée de l’air indienne. Elle a aussi laissé entendre que la France pourrait améliorer ainsi ses chances de remporter le contrat de 11 milliards $ pour des chasseurs comme le Rafale.
Finalement, l’Inde a souligné que la vente d’armes au Pakistan n’avait pas conduit ce pays à coopérer avec la France dans la lutte contre les groupes terroristes islamiques basés au Pakistan. L’Inde lutte aussi contre ces groupes et a cité Israël, la Grande-Bretagne et les Etats-Unis comme exemples montrant que l’Inde est beaucoup utile.
Donc la France suit l’argent et la sécurité.

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j´espere qu´elle n aura pas a se contenter par la moitié du pain Rolling Eyes

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Elle mise tout sur le Rafale, mais si elle échoue elle perdra aussi les gros marchés pakistanais...

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Citation :: Pakistani F-16s Shoot Down RAF Eurofighter Typhoons During Air Combat Exercises In Turkey

Pakistani pilots flying modernised versions of the 1970s-vintage F-16 Falcon fighter have beaten the RAF's brand-new Eurofighter Typhoon superfighters during air combat exercises in Turkey, according to a Pakistani officer.

The RAF Typhoon, formerly known as the Eurofighter, should nonetheless have been vastly superior in air-to-air combat whether BVR or close in within visual range (WVR). The cripplingly expensive, long-delayed Eurofighter was specifically designed to address the defects of its predecessor the Tornado F3 – famously almost useless in close-in, dogfighting-style air combat. The Typhoon was meant to see off such deadly in-close threats as Soviet "Fulcrums" and "Flankers" using short-range missiles fired using helmet-mounted sight systems: such planes were thought well able to beat not just Tornados but F-16s in close fighting, and this expectation was borne out after the Cold War when the Luftwaffe inherited some from the East German air force and tried them out in exercises.

Thus it is that huge emphasis was placed on manoeuvring capability and dogfighting in the design of the Eurofighter. The expensive Euro-jet was initially designed, in fact, as a pure fighter with no ground attack options at all – bomber capability has had to be retrofitted subsequently at still more expense. Despite lacking various modern technologies such as Stealth and thrust-vectoring the resulting Typhoon is generally touted as being one of the best air-to-air combat planes in the world right now. Certainly it is meant to be good in close fighting: it is armed with the Advanced Short Range Air to Air Missile (ASRAAM) which as its name suggests is intended for the close WVR fight.

Perhaps the account above is simply a lie, or anyway a bit of a fighter pilot tall story. But the pilot quoted will be easily identifiable inside his community if not to the outside world, and he could expect a lot of flak for telling a lie on such a matter in public. It seems likelier that the story is the truth as he perceived it: that the RAF's new superfighter was thrashed in the very type of combat it is supposed to be best at by a 1970s-era plane, albeit much modernised.

It's always possible, as the anonymous Pakistani pilot suggests, that the problem was with the crews. It may be that RAF pilots simply don't know how to fight close-in. During the many years when they had no other fighter than the lamentable Tornado F3 (the Typhoon only reached front line service a few years ago) they may have lost the institutional skillset required for dogfighting with short-range missiles.

But in general when the British forces perform badly it isn't because of a lack of skills and training. It's far more normal for them to be let down by their kit. Based on this account, the Typhoon is actually worse than an F-16, and as a result an export Flanker or Fulcrum equipped with Archer missiles would beat it easily in WVR combat.

It would appear that the Eurofighter's last remaining selling point compared to modern US-made stealth fighters which cost the same or less (or for that matter vastly cheaper ordinary non-stealth fighters like the F-16, F-18 Hornet etc) now has something of a question mark over it.

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Hummm c'est pas une très bonne pub sa pour le typhon. Les Indiens sont en train de scruté le moindre rapport d'exercice entre le Rafales vs anything idem pour son homologue britannique.

Le Rafale a eu le dessus sur les Blk 52+ Grecs dernièrement Rolling Eyes

Si les indiens se base uniquement sur les performances des deux appareilles, le rafales a toutes ses chance Twisted Evil

Mais comme je le dis, gare à la perfide Albion

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Ca été juste pour le Rafi face aux Vipers grecs.....

Mais pour cette info venant d'officier pakistanais j'aurais tendance à me méfier de la crédibilité....

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Viper a écrit:: Ca été juste pour le Rafi face aux Vipers grecs.....

Oui mais l'info intéressante c'est celle la:

Citation :: 4 Rafale M(marine) F1(T1) from the CDG aircraft carrier square-off against 4 F-16 blk 52+

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Sois généreux avec nous, Ô toi Dieu et donne nous la Victoire

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Exact Fahed !

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Citation :: US to replace aircraft destroyed in Karachi attack

The United States has decided to supply two new P-3C Orion aircraft to Pakistan to replace the ones destroyed in the naval base attack in Karachi in May, the Dawn News reported. Sources said the US will also supply new F-16 aircraft and spare parts. A 15-hour siege that began on the night of May 22

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. The terrorists destroyed the Navy’s P-3C Orion aircraft with rockets.

The four-engine, all-weather aircraft is designed for operations against underwater submarines and surface vessels. At about 750 km per hour and 4,300 km range, it is rated as the fastest long-range maritime patrol used worldwide.

The aircraft can carry a wide array of weapons such as harpoons, torpedoes, depth charges, mines and rockets.

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Pour renforcer les mesures de confiance après l'épisode OBL .. et au moment ou la France renforce ses relations avec l'Inde qui a rejetté les offres américains pour le programme MMRCA Rolling Eyes

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La 4e et dernière F-22P de la classe ZULFIQAR a été lancée à Karashi. à noter que ses 3 sister-ships ont été construites en Chine ... par ailleurs on annonce une nouvelle classe F-23P, qui serait une amélioration des Zulfiqar ou un nouveau design chinois ... désormais les programmes navales pakistannais avancent mieux que chez les voisins ...

Citation :: Lancement de l'ASLAT à Karachi

La quatrième et dernière frégate de la classe F-22P de la Marine pakistanaise a été lancée le jeudi 16 juin aux chantiers KSEW (Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works) où elle est en cours de construction avec une assistance technique chinoise.

La frégate, baptisée ASLAT, a été mise à l’eau en présence de l’amiral Noman Bashir, chef d’état-major de la Marine Pakistanaise. Sa construction a commencé en décembre 2009. L’ASLAT est prévue rejoindre la flotte en décembre 2012, après avoir reçu tout son armement et ses équipements de détection.

La Marine Pakistanaise aligne déjà trois autres frégates F-22P, toutes construites en Chine : il s’agit des ZULFIQAR, SHAMSHEER et SAIF, qui portent les numéros 251, 252 et 253. L'ASLAT aura le 254.

Lors de la cérémonie, KSEW a annoncé la construction prochaine d’un nouveau bâtiment lance-missiles pour la Marine Pakistanaise. Le lancement de l’ASLAT, qui démontre le savoir-faire récemment acquis de KSEW en matière de construction navale militaire, donne du sens à cette annonce. L'idée a parfois été avancée qu'il s'agirait d'une deuxième série de quatre F-22P, mais il semblerait qu'un nouveau modèle (F-23P) soit en gestation, probablement dérivé d'un modèle de destroyer chinois.

Au cours de son discours officiel, le chef d’état-major de la marine a dit que le lancement d’une F-22P à KSEW marquait le succès de la politique d’indigénisation voulue par le gouvernement, politique qui vise l’autonomie industrielle du Pakistan en termes de matériel naval militaire.

Reconnaissant les efforts consentis par les techniciens pakistanais et chinois pour la construction de cette frégate à Karachi, l’amiral Bashir a félicité la China State Shipbuilding Company (CSCC), la China Shipbuilding and Trading Company (CSTC), l’arsenal Hudong Zhonghua de Shanghai et celui de Karachi pour avoir tenu les délais annoncés, faisant remarquer au passage qu’il s’agissait là d’un nouvel exemple des relations extraordinairement solides qui unissent la Chine et le Pakistan.

L’amiral a présenté ce lancement comme une étape capitale dans l’acquisition par le Pakistan d’une véritable capacité de défense maritime, étape qui a donné corps et consistance à soixante années de coopération réussie entre la Chine et le Pakistan.

Le chef d’état-major dit avoir apprécié le détachement auprès de KSEW des équipes de l’arsenal de Karachi, détachement plusieurs fois renouvelé par rotation et qui a permis à KSEW de relever le défi que constitue la construction de navires de guerre. Notons que l'ASLAT a été construite en un temps relativement bref. L’amiral a exprimé le vœu que les ateliers relevant du ministère de la défense continuent à l’avenir à accompagner KSEW dans sa voie vers le progrès.

Changeant de registre, l’amiral Bashir a ensuite rappelé pourquoi le Pakistan a besoin de se doter d’une marine forte pour défendre ses intérêts maritimes : selon lui, son pays ne nourrit aucun dessein agressif « mais ses voies maritimes, sa vaste Zone Economique Exclusive (ZEE) et les voies maritimes de transit pétrolier et gazier qui passent au ras de ses côtes doivent être protégées non seulement dans l’intérêt du Pakistan mais aussi dans celui de toute la communauté internationale. »

Pour ces raisons, a poursuivi l’amiral, « la Marine Pakistanaise continuera à faire tout son possible pour maintenir la paix et la stabilité dans son secteur de responsabilité ». D'aucuns auront noté que l'influence chinoise au Pakistan se fait aussi sentir dans les discours des autorités...

Les frégates type F-22P, longues de 123m hors tout et larges de 13,80m, ont une vitesse maximale de 29nd et une autonomie de 4000 Nautiques.

Quand il sera terminé, l’ASLAT sera équipé d’un radar de veille, de radars de conduite de tir, d’un système intégré anti-sous-marin, d’un système de guerre électronique et d’un détecteur d’illuminateur laser. Pour ce qui est de l’armement, les F-22P sont dotées de missiles antinavires C-802, de missiles surface-air FM-90N, de roquettes anti-sous-marines CY, de torpilles ET-52 et d’artillerie légère antiaérienne de 76 et 30mm. Tous ces systèmes sont de conception chinoise, parfois copiés ou dérivés de matériels occidentaux ou russes. La frégate embarquera également un hélicoptère Z9EC de fabrication chinoise, hélicoptère qui est une version anti-sous-marine de la copie chinoise du Dauphin de la société Eurocopter.

Les missions des trois premières F-22P, construites en Chine, comprennent la lutte anti-sous-marine, la protection aérienne rapprochée d’une force navale ou d’un convoi, les missions d’interdiction, de patrouille, de surveillance et de protection de la ZEE, de projection de puissance, de recherche et de sauvetage, de participation à la sécurité internationale via les opérations de maintien de la paix sous l’égide des Nations-Unies, les missions de représentation et de diplomatie maritime.

Maintenant qu’elle commence à être dotée de navires et de matériels relativement modernes, la Marine Pakistanaise va devoir relever d’autres défis : la formation et le maintien de qualification de ses équipages, et le maintien en conditions opérationnelles de ses unités. Sans quoi les efforts déployés par KSEW et ses divers partenaires n’auront été qu’un coup d’épée dans l’eau.

Dom Bosco

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Armée Pakistanaise / Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF) - Page 11 Marche12

Citation :: Second Mesma AIP ready for shipment to Pakistan

Nantes-Indret | DCNS is ready to ship the second of three Mesma air-independent propulsion modules ordered by the Pakistan Navy for its DCNS-designed Agosta 90B submarines. This module will be installed as part of a scheduled major refit for one of two Agosta 90Bs in active service.

The self-contained hull module will be integrated with the host submarine over the next few months with DCNS technical assistance. A ‘cut-and-plug’ operation will see the 8.7-metre-long ‘plug’ inserted into the boat’s hull. The first Mesma module was integrated directly during the construction of third-of-class Agosta 90B submarine PNS Hamza which entered active service in 2008.

Following the ‘cut-and-plug’, the boat will have a length of 76.2 metres for a submerged displacement of 1980 tonnes. The Mesma module will enable the submarine to remain submerged for weeks at a time.

Following a qualification campaign lasting seven months and tests totalling 5,200 hours, the AIP module was prepared for shipment as a 160-tonne package. The main aims of the tests conducted by teams at DCNS’s Indret centre were to ensure that the module worked as designed and met its performance specifications. More specifically, DCNS engineers and technicians checked the AIP’s output power, endurance and range. These tests were followed by acceptance tests in the presence of customer representatives in March.

The earlier three-month-long phase-one campaign progressively powered up this advanced-technology system comprising some 250 components and 2.5 kilometres of electrical cable.

Once the campaigns had been completed, the AIP was disconnected from the test equipment and packed for shipment by barge to the nearby port of Saint-Nazaire where it will be loaded onto a ship chartered by the customer. The voyage to the shipyard in Pakistan will take three to four weeks.

“We have the benefit of some economies of scale,” explains Delphine Bréhéret, the Mesma programme manager at DCNS’s Nantes-Indret centre. “The first module was delivered in June 2002. Knowledge sharing and lessons learned have played an important part. We have now started testing module n° 3. This time, the test teams will include Pakistan Navy engineers.”

The first of the series of Agosta 90B submarines for Pakistan was built at DCNS’s Cherbourg shipyard and commissioned in 1999. The second and third boats were built in Karachi under a technology transfer programme; the third including a Mesma module from the outset. After deciding to equip the other two boats with AIP modules as they came due for major refits, the Navy placed the corresponding orders. The third module is undergoing qualification testing at the Indret centre.

Mesma, an innovative AIP

AIP systems enable conventional diesel-electric submarines to remain submerged for weeks at a time. Without AIP, diesel-electric submarines have to come up to snorkelling depth or surface at shorter intervals so that the diesel engines can recharge their batteries. This significantly increases the risk of detection. (A submarine’s diesel engines can only be started once the snorkel has cleared the surface to take in fresh air. Snorkelling depth is about the same as periscope depth.) AIP significantly improves stealth because it enables a submarine to generate electricity while completely submerged.

A Mesma AIP plug can be added to a conventional-propulsion submarine at the design stage or as part of a refit.

Technical data for Mesma hull plug:
• diameter: same a submarine’s hull
• length: < 10 m
• output power: 200 kW

A Mesma AIP increases a submarine’s submerged endurance three to four fold.

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Armée Pakistanaise / Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF) - Page 11 Star3

Le Prophéte (saw) a dit: Les Hommes Les meilleurs sont ceux qui sont les plus utiles aux autres Armée Pakistanaise / Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF) - Page 11 Star3

Viper a écrit:: Ca été juste pour le Rafi face aux Vipers grecs.....

Mais pour cette info venant d'officier pakistanais j'aurais tendance à me méfier de la crédibilité....

si elle est juste,et elle a enragé les forumistes indiens,j´ai lu l´interview...derniere fois j´ai parlé de 2 victoires differentes de F16 danois et pakis contre EF Wink

l´autre contre Rafale,les F16 grecs etaient encore sans ECM(pas encore installé) donc ne voiyaient rien venir,et encore..

les pilotes pakis sont des plus chevronnés quand ca vient au WVR,car c´est tout ce qu´ils avaient pour casser le gap du BVR indien,s´approcher le plus.
c´est pourquoi ils sont tres demandés comme instructeurs ou pilotes d´echanges dans les pays du golf et meme en Turquie

Fremo a écrit:: Pour renforcer les mesures de confiance après l'épisode OBL .. et au moment ou la France renforce ses relations avec l'Inde qui a rejetté les offres américains pour le programme MMRCA

bien vu Fremo,compensation(diya) des morts "dronisés" et aussi une petite mesure de retorsion contre l´inde,et je crois que cette retorsion n´a pas encore bien commencé..

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MINA SALMAN, Bahrain (June 15, 2011) Chief Navy Diver Ryan Oakley, right, assigned to Commander, Task Group (CTG) 56.1, and a Pakistan Navy diver give an OK signal before conducting a scuba dive operation as part of a diving and salvage exchange. The divers conducted scuba operations, anti-terrorism force-protection training dives, underwater search techniques and diving fundamentals during the exchange. CTG 56.1 provides maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Martin L. Carey/Released)

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NAVAL SUPPORT ACTIVITY, Bahrain (June 12, 2011) U.S. Navy divers, assigned to Commander, Task Group (CTG) 56.1, and Pakistani divers train on diving fundamentals as part of a diving and salvage exchange. The divers conducted scuba operations, anti-terrorism force-protection training dives, and practiced underwater search techniques, and diving fundamentals during the exchange. CTG-56.1 provides maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Martin L. Carey/Released)

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