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Pakistan Selects German Submarines


Pakistan to buy German subs, ignore French



KARACHI: In a departure from the past practice of acquiring submarines from France, Pakistan will buy three German Type 214 submarines.

Walter Freitag, the chief executive officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world, told The News on Tuesday in an exclusive interview at the IDEAS 2008 here that his company had finalised technical specifications with the navy to build three Type 214 submarines in Pakistan.

The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 per cent, he said, hoping the final contract in this regard will be signed soon. This is the first time that a clear picture of the billion-dollar deal that the Pakistan Navy is expected to sign in coming months has emerged. Earlier, during mid-90s, the navy had selected three French Agosta 90-B submarines, which were in addition to the two acquired earlier. The deal had generated a lot of controversy at that time.

This time French firm Armaris had offered to supply Pakistan three updated single-hulled, diesel-electric submarines all-French version of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene boat equipped with air-independent propulsion, a deal totalling about $1.2 billion.

However, Walter Freitag said he did not see that kind of controversy enveloping this project perceived during the 90s. The Pakistan Navy understands submarines and ours are the best, he said, rejecting claims of competitors that the Greek Navy had rejected Type 214.

In the Hellenic Navys case, a neutral surveyor was appointed, who decided that the submarine was technically OK and ready for commissioning, he said. The HDW CEO said the Type 214 was technologically more advanced than those of competitors. We use higher grade steel material, which allows greater diving depth, he said. Also, we have fuel cell AIPs and can integrate Harpoons with the Type 214.

The first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan Navy in 64 months after signing of the contract while the rest would be completed successively in 12 months. Walter Freitag stated that they would be using facilities at the Karachi Shipyard for building Type 214 and minimal upgrade would be required. He added that the Type 214 was 100 per cent German and there was no chance of embargo on it in any case.

Meanwhile, authoritative sources told The News that the decision to acquire Type 214 over the French submarine was made not only because the submarine was more advanced than the French Marlin, but also because many countries had deployed the Type 214 submarines, so there would be no issue of spares.

They said Turkey would be acquiring six Type 214s, South Korea had ordered six more in addition to three ordered earlier, Portugal had bought two, besides several bought by the German Navy. As such, supportability for the Type 214 for the next 30-35 years would not be a major concern.

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oui Baybars vous pourrez surement leur faciliter le financement de 15 T,mais quoi apres?
l´inde concretisera son super deal de 22 Apache,et comme on connais ce pays,ils resteront pas sur ce nombre,ca ne sera que l´entrée,disons qu´ils atteindront facilement les 50 Apache voir plus..

le pak sera obligé de suivre 15 c´est rien,les credits se multiplieront et un jour ca sera impossible de payer...je sais pas faut penser long terme si c´est benefique avec ce pays scratch

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Yakuza a écrit:
oui Baybars vous pourrez surement leur faciliter le financement de 15 T,mais quoi apres?
l´inde concretisera son super deal de 22 Apache,et comme on connais ce pays,ils resteront pas sur ce nombre,ca ne sera que l´entrée,disons qu´ils atteindront facilement les 50 Apache voir plus..

le pak sera obligé de suivre 15 c´est rien,les credits se multiplieront et un jour ca sera impossible de payer...je sais pas faut penser long terme si c´est benefique avec ce pays scratch

Oui, cela est possible sur le long terme. Mais je crois que le Pakistan ne voudra pas forcer son économie..

Le financement ne sera pas un soucis, je pense que le Pakistan n'est pas le Mali et les autres pays Africains pour ne pas sortir de dépense militaire de quelques milliards $ par an.

Ziya Ul-Haq ou quelqu'un d'autre disait: "On mangera des herbes, mais on développera notre arsenal nucléaire militaire", c'est cela la philosophie du Pakistan, la sécurité avant tout. De plus, faut pas oublier l'aide des Khaliji et surtout de l'Arabie Saoudite.

Par ailleurs, la Turquie et la Chine se sont engagés dans un combat pour vendre le plus d'armes au Pakistan..

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121110/DEFREG04/311100003/China-Turkey-battle-sales-Pakistani-arms-fair?odyssey=nav%7Chead
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Ils peuvent pas tenir tête à l'Inde dans une course aux armements, ils en auront pas les moyens à long terme.

Ils peuvent juste limiter la casse ...

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Ils peuvent pas tenir tête à l'Inde dans une course aux armements, ils en auront pas les moyens à long terme.

Ils peuvent juste limiter la casse ...

(en toute objectivité)

Voilà, ils vont faire le maximum pour tenir tête à l'Inde, ils n'ont pas les moyens sauf s'ils annexent l'Afghanistan et ces richesses.. bounce
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les Chinois vont certainement leur faire une offre imbattable avec leur WZ-10...

La course à l'armement n'a plus d'intérêt maintenant, car il s'agit de 2 puissances nucléaires...chacun sait que l'autre à les moyens de l'anéantir ...

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c´etait bhutto en 70s pas zya´a le dictateur,Baybars
c´est la cause de leurs problemes sociaux mtn..

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On verra bien avec ce contrat. Mais le choix à l'air d'être fait. Manque juste le financement, j'espère qu'on agira pas comme les français.. Armée Pakistanaise / Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF) - Page 20 Icon_mrg
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Les pakis sont très conscients de leur contrainte économique, c'est pour quoi je pense ils cherchent leur salut dans l'industrie militaire (auto suffisance), pour cette raison je pense que si les chinois leurs font une offre sur AH avec ToT, ils vont accepter. Le ToT a le mérite de garantir une certaine autonomie qui limite l'avantage financier des indiens et évite au pakistan de se réapprovisionner encore et encore pour les mêmes armes, grâce au ToT, toute arme acquise devient désormais pakistanaise, ou prèsque... Comme c'est le cas avec le JF-17.
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Si les pakistanais d'habitude si friand de matos chinois, ne prennent pas l'hélicoptère d'attaque WZ-10 c'est vraiment qu'il doit être mauvais Question

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Si les pakistanais d'habitude si friand de matos chinois, ne prennent pas l'hélicoptère d'attaque WZ-10 c'est vraiment qu'il doit être mauvais Question

Il est pratique pour la guerre asymétrique, le WZ-10 ? scratch

J'ai toujours cru avec ce que j'ai lu qu'il était plus pratique pour la guerre conventionnelle, un tank killer...

Le T-129 est très pratique pour la guerre asymétrique en montagne, je pense très pratique dans la topographie Pak, dans le Waziristan.

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Par ailleurs, ça fait des années que les Pakistanais voulaient des frégates OHP US, ils en ont eu qu'1, je crois qu'ils en voulaient 6.

Vous savez ce que ça a donné ?

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A défaut de T-129 pour l'instant, la coopération sur d'autres domaines continue Cool

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Turkey’s Havelsan software and systems integration company yesterday signed a memorandum of understanding with the Pakistan Armed Forces regarding simulation and training, at the International Defence Exhibition and Conference in Karachi.

Sadik Yamac, General Manager, CEO of Havelsan, told defenceWeb that three agreements are in play. These cover research and development, the Pakistan Armed Force’s C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computers, and Intelligence) and simulators for the Pakistan Air Force and Army, including flight, driving and possibly artillery simulators.

Projects that will benefit from the agreements include the JF-17 Thunder, F-16 Fighting Falcon, C-130 Hercules, Mil Mi-17 and Super Mushak. Pakistan’s Military Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (MVRDE) in particular will benefit from the agreements. The latter has developed a tank artillery simulator, which was on display at IDEAS.

Yamac said that Havelsan did not want to simply sell weapons to Pakistan but wanted to work together with the country. “We are a bridge in the centre of Asia and Europe. We are opening the door to both sides.”

Havelsan has performed work for the Pakistan Armed Forces, having delivered Artillery Forward Observer Simulators, an Electronic Warfare Test and Training Range and battle management and information systems. Havelsan has received an order for its Genesis combat management system for the Pakistan Navy’s Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, PNS Alamgir.

Pakistan enjoys strong ties with Turkey, which is the biggest foreign exhibitor at IDEAS 2012. Turkey has trained Pakistani officers and supplied a wide variety of military hardware, including Onuk MRTP-33 fast attack craft, AH-1 Cobra helicopter parts and artillery simulators. Turkish Aerospace Industries has also upgraded Pakistan’s F-16A/B Block 15s and is promoting its T-129 attack helicopter as an AH-1F Cobra replacement.
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PAKISTAN is secretly racing to develop its own armed drones, frustrated with US refusals to provide the aircraft, but is struggling in its initial tests with a lack of precision munitions and advanced targeting technology.


One of Islamabad's closest allies and Washington's biggest rivals, China, has offered to help by selling Pakistan armed drones it developed. But industry experts say there is still uncertainty about the capabilities of the Chinese aircraft.

The development of unmanned combat aircraft is especially sensitive in Pakistan because of the widespread unpopularity of the hundreds of US drone strikes against Taliban and al-Qa'ida militants in the country's rugged tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government denounces the CIA strikes as a violation of the country's sovereignty, though senior civilian and military leaders are known to have supported at least some of the attacks in the past. Pakistani officials also call the strikes unproductive, saying they kill many civilians and fuel anger that helps militants recruit additional fighters - allegations denied by the US.









Pakistan has demanded the US provide it with armed drones, claiming it could more effectively carry out attacks against militants. Washington has refused because of the sensitive nature of the technology and doubts that Pakistan would reliably target US enemies. The US has held talks with Pakistan about providing unarmed surveillance drones, but Islamabad already has several types of these aircraft in operation, and the discussions have gone nowhere.

Inaugurating a defence exhibition in the southern city of Karachi last week, Pakistani Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf indicated Islamabad would look for help from Beijing in response to US intransigence.

“Pakistan can also benefit from China in defence collaboration, offsetting the undeclared technological apartheid,” said Mr Ashraf.

Pakistan has also been working to develop armed drones on its own, said Pakistani military officials and civilians involved in the domestic drone industry, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the work.

Pakistan first began weapons tests seven or eight months ago with the Falco, an Italian drone used by the Pakistani air force for surveillance that has been modified to carry rockets, said a civilian with knowledge of the secret program. The military is also conducting similar tests with the country's newest drone, the Shahpur, he said. An unarmed version of the Shahpur was unveiled for the first time at the Karachi exhibition.

The weapons tests have been limited to a handful of aircraft, and no strikes have been carried out in combat, said the civilian.

Pakistan lacks laser-guided missiles like the Hellfire used on US Predator and Reaper drones and the advanced targeting system that goes with it, so the military has been using unguided rockets that are much less accurate.

While Hellfire missiles are said to have pinpoint accuracy, the rockets used by Pakistan have a margin of error of about 30 metres at best, and an unexpected gust of wind could take them 300 metres from their intended target, said the civilian. Even if Pakistan possessed Hellfires and the guidance system to use them, the missile's weight and drag would be a challenge for the small drones produced by the country.

Pakistan's largest drone, the Shahpur, has a wingspan of about seven metres and can carry 50 kilograms. The US Predator, which can be equipped with two Hellfire missiles, has a wingspan more than twice that and a payload capacity over four times as great.

Pakistani drones also have much more limited range than those produced in the US because they are operated based on “line of sight” using radio waves, rather than military satellites. The Shahpur has a maximum range of 250 kilometres, while the Predator can fly over five times that distance.

The British newspaper The Guardian reported that Pakistan was working on an armed drone but did not provide details.

The market for drones has exploded in Pakistan and other countries around the world in recent years, as shown by the array of aircraft on display at the defense exhibition in Karachi. Hoping to tap into a worldwide market worth billions of dollars a year, public and private companies wheeled out over a dozen drones that ranged in size from hand-held models meant to be carried in a backpack to larger aircraft like the Shahpur.

All the Pakistani drones on display were advertised as unarmed and meant for surveillance only. One private company, Integrated Dynamics, even promotes its aircraft under the slogan “Drones for Peace.” But several models developed by the Chinese government were marketed as capable of carrying precision missiles and bombs.

The Chinese government has offered to sell Pakistan an armed drone it has produced, the CH-3, which can carry two laser-guided missiles or bombs, industry insiders said.

Also being offered to Pakistan is a more advanced drone, the CH-4, which closely resembles a US Reaper and can carry four laser-guided missiles or bombs, according to Li Xiaoli, a representative of the Chinese state-owned company that produces both the CH-3 and CH-4, Aerospace Long-march International Trade Co., Ltd.

Pakistan has yet to purchase any armed Chinese drones because their capabilities have yet to be proven, but is likely to do so in the future, said the civilian with knowledge of the Pakistani military's drone program.

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Pakistan today successfully conducted the training launch of Medium Range Ballistic Missile Hatf V (Ghauri).

The launch was conducted by a Strategic Missile Group of the Army Strategic Force Command on the culmination of a field training exercise that was aimed at testing the operational readiness of the Army Strategic Force Command. Ghauri ballistic missile is a liquid fuel missile which can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads over a distance of 1300 kms.

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- In a significant development, the United States has expressed willingness to provide Pakistan with another three to four maritime surveillance aircraft, P3C Orion, for the aviation fleet of Pakistani Navy, it has been reliably learnt.
Pakistan has been seeking for more Orion aircraft from US since the destruction of two such aircraft in the terrorist attack on Mehran naval base in Karachi last year.
The US authorities expressed their willingness to oblige Pakistan on this count during the 21st meeting of the US-Pakistan Defence Consultative Group (DCG), which was held in Rawalpindi on December 3-4.
The DCG last met in May 2011 in Washington but its meetings were since not held owing to serious hiccups in bilateral relations that included unilateral raid to kill former al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and the NATO attack on Pakistani border post in Mohmand Agency.
The two nations’ delegations in DCG were respectively led by Lt Gen (r) Asif Yasin Malik, secretary for Defence, and Dr James N Miller, US under secretary of defence for policy.
The DCG is the primary Pakistan-US forum for exchanging views and coordinating defence policy with the goal of strengthening cooperation to support each country’s security interests.
“The talks between the senior defence officials were focused on provision of military hardware to Pakistan by the US, especially the requirements in this regard of Pakistani Navy,” an official source privy to the two-day talks said.
He said the US officials had been positive in their response to Pakistan’s demand for the supply of three to four P3C Orion aircraft in the next couple of years, which would boost the country’s naval defence.
Pakistan has currently four P3C Orion aircraft in its naval fleet that include two such planes given to it by the US after the attack on Mehran naval base.
P3C Orion aircraft is designed for surface and underwater reconnaissance and anti-submarine and anti-surface vessel operations. It is rated as the fastest turbo-prop long-range maritime patrol (LRMP) platform used worldwide and is also called the airborne destroyer.
“The provision of three or four more such aircraft would also help increase the counterterrorism capacity of Pakistani Navy,” the source said.
He said another important issue that was discussed during the talks was that of provision of a frigate from the United States for the navy. “This would be an old frigate like the one already provided by the US,” he said.
He said Pakistan was acquiring new naval frigates from China but since that process would take some years to culminate, the frigates from US would cover that time period. A joint statement issued by the Defence Ministry said, “Both delegations welcomed the resumption of bilateral security cooperation and agreed that relations between the two countries should be based on the principles of strategic desirability, political sustainability, trust and mutual respect.”
Both delegations acknowledged that bilateral counterterrorism cooperation had been critical to weakening violent extremists and underscored the importance of continuing cooperation to complete the defeat of al Qaeda and its affiliates in the region, it said.
The two sides affirmed their mutual commitment to a strong defence relationship, which they believed should focus on achieving common objectives. During plenary session, the DCG participants shared their respective assessments of the bilateral relationship and discussed each country’s strategic priorities and agreed on areas for future defence cooperation. Both delegations concluded that the discussions to reopen the NATO-led coalition’s ground supply lines and the resumption of bilateral consultations on regional security were significant achievements over the last six months. The Pakistani delegation provided an update on its military campaign along its western border and the US side detailed the International Security Assistance Force’s (ISAF) activities in Afghanistan, including efforts to transition the lead for security to Afghan forces. “In light of the tragic November 2011 cross-border incident, both sides expressed appreciation for the efforts by their respective militaries to improve operational coordination,” the statement said. “They both expressed their deep appreciation for the sacrifices of all military personnel and civilians in the common fight,” it said. The United States and Pakistan also discussed the importance of the Coalition Support Fund and Security Assistance Programmes and agreed continued consultations on the way forward
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ISLAMABAD (AP) — Over a dozen Pakistani air force planes have crashed in roughly the past 18 months, raising concerns about the health of an aging fleet that officials are struggling to upgrade because of a lack of funds.

A significant number of the air force's combat aircraft are nearly half a century old and have been called on in recent years to help the army fight a domestic Taliban insurgency that has killed thousands of people. This has added to the strain on a force that has historically focused on countering the threat from Pakistan's neighbor and archenemy, India.

Pakistan has turned to the U.S. and China for help in modernizing its air force, but economic woes have strained the government's budget, even for the country's powerful military. Tension with the U.S. over a host of issues, including the covert raid that killed Osama bin Laden last year, also hasn't helped.

Shahzad Chaudhry, a former senior Pakistani air force officer, said the number of planes that have crashed "would be worrying for any air force."

"If I were air force chief, I certainly wouldn't want to see over a dozen airplanes being lost," said Chaudhry. "Obviously we need to bring those numbers down."

At least 13 planes have crashed since May 2011, many because of technical problems, according to a record maintained by The Associated Press. The air force did not respond to request for comment on the crashes.

The most recent accident occurred on Nov. 22, when a Dassault Mirage fighter jet crashed on a routine night training mission in central Punjab province, killing the pilot. The air force said at the time that it was investigating the cause of the crash, but eyewitnesses said the plane caught fire before it fell out of the sky.

Nearly half the planes that have crashed were decades-old Mirage fighters. They make up at least a quarter of the force's fleet of about 400 combat aircraft, according to the website GlobalSecurity.org. Many were built nearly 50 years ago and acquired from foreign militaries that had already retired them.

"We bought them at almost throw-away prices, brought them over, overhauled them and continue to operate them," said former Pakistani air force chief Tanvir Mahmood. "This was our compulsion because of the financial constraints that we had."

Chaudhry, the former senior air force officer, said the Mirage was a "very sturdy platform" that shouldn't fail easily.

"But when you have the intensity of an operational combat environment, problems tend to be there," said Chaudhry.

The crashes raise questions not only about the age of the aircraft, but also flight maintenance practices, said Sajad Haider, a celebrated former air force pilot who has written a book about the service.

Other planes that have gone down include the Chengdu F-7 fighter jet bought from China, the JF-17 Thunder fighter jet jointly developed with China and Pakistan's Mushshak trainer, a propeller plane.

The most advanced fighter jet operated by the Pakistani air force is the F-16 Fighting Falcon, over 60 of which were purchased in various batches from the U.S. over the past three decades.

U.S. military support came to a halt in the 1990s because of sanctions imposed on Pakistan over its nuclear program, but resumed in 2001 when Washington needed Islamabad's support to fight al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Military assistance largely dried up once again over the past two years because of renewed tensions between the two countries, although the U.S. did deliver more than a dozen new F-16s purchased by Pakistan.

One of the reasons Pakistan turned to China for help with its air force was the country's troubles with the U.S.

The government has purchased over 100 F-7 fighter jets from China, mostly in the 1980s, and has reportedly ordered more advanced FC-20 fighter jets in recent years. Pakistan is also domestically producing the JF-17 fighter jet, jointly developed with China, but it has not yet entered full service.

"The JF-17 program was pushed through during my tenure of office because we knew we couldn't live with these old Mirages and some of our old Chinese planes for too long," said Mahmood, who served as air force chief from 2006 to 2009.

The current head of the air force, Tahir Rafique Butt, told Pakistan's Senate defense committee at the end of November that the force was struggling to modernize its equipment and technology because of a shortage of funds, said the head of the committee, Mushahid Hussain.

While Pakistani military spending makes up about 20 percent of the government's budget, the air force is lower down the totem pole than the powerful army.

Hussain said the air force was doing the best with what it has, but the recent spate of crashes "was linked to use of technology that is fast becoming outmoded and obsolete."

"That reinforces the argument the air force was making to us about a lack of resources," said Hussain.
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Il devrait se pencher un peu plus se pencher sur le volet economique qui leur aportera des devises pour moderniser leur armée de l'air c'est la clé du futur de leur armée de l'air

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Incorporating a Chinese AESA radar mounted on the Y-8F600 platform, the radar is reported to have a greater range than that of the PAF’s Saab 2000 Erieye AEW+C radar

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Dec. 21, 2012 - 12:27PM | By USMAN ANSARI |

ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Navy has test-fired a new land attack missile in the North Arabian Sea off the coast of Pakistan this week.

According to a Navy news release, the test included “firings of a variety of modern missiles including the maiden Land Attack Missile (LAM)” and the tests “demonstrated lethality, precision and efficacy” of the Navy’s weapon systems as well as the “high state of readiness and professionalism” of the Navy.

The release also stated the test “reaffirms credibility of deterrence at sea.”

A Navy spokesman confirmed “multiple platforms were engaged” in firing missiles. The firings took place on Dec. 19 and 21.

Though the Navy has a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles, the Navy would not confirm the identity of the land-attack missile when asked.

Mansoor Ahmed from Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, who specializes in Pakistan’s national deterrent and delivery program, believes the missile is one of two varieties: either a land attack variant of the Chinese C-802/CSS-N-8 Saccade anti-ship missile in service with a variety of naval platforms; or a variant of the HATF-VII/Vengeance-VII Babur cruise missile.

“Coupled with a miniaturized plutonium warhead, a naval version of the several hundred kilometer-range Babur [land attack cruise missile] or a 120-kilometer range C-802 missile can potentially provide Pakistan with a reliable if not an assured second strike capability and will complete the third leg of Pakistan’s eventual triad-based credible minimum deterrent — of which the naval leg was missing until now,” he said.

A land-attack variant of the C-802 would be able to be fired from existing launchers aboard Pakistani ships.

Ahmed however pointed out that M. Irfan Burney — chairman of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), the research and development body that designed and manufactured the Babur cruise missile — witnessed the test firings. Ahmed believes that supports the notion that the missile was the Babur.

Burney was joined by Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila, onboard the F-22P class frigate Zulfiquar.

The test comes seven months after Pakistan inaugurated the Naval Strategic Force Command. The Babur, once integrated with an operational naval command and control, “will help diversify the options available to counter India’s growing second strike capabilities at sea,” Ahmed said.

He said the Navy will be able to “strike critical counter-value and other strategic targets all along India’s coastline and maintain a semblance of strategic stability in the Arabian Sea.”

“Pakistan’s response in this field was necessary in the face of an exponential increase in Indian strategic capabilities, such as ballistic-missile defenses and the induction of SSBNs [ballistic-missile submarines] and planned $40 billion worth of naval weapons platform acquisitions over the next decade,” he added.

Ahmed said a “nuclear-tipped [land-attack cruise missile] is a readily available and affordable alternative for Pakistan instead of a dedicated SSBN.”

With an economy in chronically poor shape, the question of affordability and meeting the Navy’s expansion requirements in the face of a shortage of funds is a pressing concern.

However, after witnessing the test firings and voicing his appreciation of the operational preparedness of the fleet, Sandila also said the government was “cognizant of PN’s developmental needs and all out efforts are being made to address critical capability gaps.”
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