Armée Pakistanaise / Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF)

Rappel du premier message :

Encore un contrat de perdu pour la France

Citation :

Pakistan Selects German Submarines


Pakistan to buy German subs, ignore French



KARACHI: In a departure from the past practice of acquiring submarines from France, Pakistan will buy three German Type 214 submarines.

Walter Freitag, the chief executive officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world, told The News on Tuesday in an exclusive interview at the IDEAS 2008 here that his company had finalised technical specifications with the navy to build three Type 214 submarines in Pakistan.

The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 per cent, he said, hoping the final contract in this regard will be signed soon. This is the first time that a clear picture of the billion-dollar deal that the Pakistan Navy is expected to sign in coming months has emerged. Earlier, during mid-90s, the navy had selected three French Agosta 90-B submarines, which were in addition to the two acquired earlier. The deal had generated a lot of controversy at that time.

This time French firm Armaris had offered to supply Pakistan three updated single-hulled, diesel-electric submarines all-French version of the Franco-Spanish Scorpene boat equipped with air-independent propulsion, a deal totalling about $1.2 billion.

However, Walter Freitag said he did not see that kind of controversy enveloping this project perceived during the 90s. The Pakistan Navy understands submarines and ours are the best, he said, rejecting claims of competitors that the Greek Navy had rejected Type 214.

In the Hellenic Navys case, a neutral surveyor was appointed, who decided that the submarine was technically OK and ready for commissioning, he said. The HDW CEO said the Type 214 was technologically more advanced than those of competitors. We use higher grade steel material, which allows greater diving depth, he said. Also, we have fuel cell AIPs and can integrate Harpoons with the Type 214.

The first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan Navy in 64 months after signing of the contract while the rest would be completed successively in 12 months. Walter Freitag stated that they would be using facilities at the Karachi Shipyard for building Type 214 and minimal upgrade would be required. He added that the Type 214 was 100 per cent German and there was no chance of embargo on it in any case.

Meanwhile, authoritative sources told The News that the decision to acquire Type 214 over the French submarine was made not only because the submarine was more advanced than the French Marlin, but also because many countries had deployed the Type 214 submarines, so there would be no issue of spares.

They said Turkey would be acquiring six Type 214s, South Korea had ordered six more in addition to three ordered earlier, Portugal had bought two, besides several bought by the German Navy. As such, supportability for the Type 214 for the next 30-35 years would not be a major concern.

http://www.thenews.com.pk

Il y a 10 ans …. Rien de tout cela était réel ! Comme quoi le travail paie

La coopération militaire Turco-Pakistanaise continue..

Le Sea Sultan...

Citation :

Iraq intends to buy 12 JF-17 from Pakistan

Defense Aviation News September 2021 aerospace air force industry

POSTED ON MONDAY, 27 SEPTEMBER 2021 13:18


The Iraqi government is planning to acquire 12 JF-17A Block III fighter jets from Pakistan, local media reported on September 26.


Iraq intends to buy 12 JF 17 from PakistanJF-17 Thunder of the Pakistan Air Force (Picture source: Shimin Gu)

The PAC JF-17 Thunder, or CAC FC-1 Xiaolong, is a lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China. It was designed to replace the A-5C, F-7P/PG, Mirage III, and Mirage V combat aircraft in the Pakistan Air Force. The JF-17 can be used for multiple roles, including interception, ground attack, anti-ship, and aerial reconnaissance. Its designation "JF-17" by Pakistan is short for "Joint Fighter-17", while the designation and name "FC-1 Xiaolong" by China means "Fighter China-1 Fierce Dragon".

The JF-17 can deploy diverse ordnance, including air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, and a 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel automatic cannon. Powered by a Guizhou WS-13 or Klimov RD-93 afterburning turbofan, it has a top speed of Mach 1.8. The JF-17 is to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), complementing the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon at half the cost.[5] The PAF inducted its first JF-17 squadron in February 2010. In 2015 Pakistan produced 16 JF-17s. In 2016, Pakistan was believed to have the capacity to produce 25 JF-17 per year. 58% of the airframe is Pakistani and 42% Chinese/Russian-origin.

The JF-17 Block III is single-seat variant that features new avionics including helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) system, a new single panel multi-functional display (MFD), an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar paired with an infrared search and track (IRST) system, and a cockpit with a flight-control stick on the side, an NRIET KLJ-7A AESA radar.

https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/september/7679-iraq-intends-to-buy-12-jf-17-from-pakistan.html

Le Pakistan pourrait être le prochain client du drone turc TB2...

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/10/perfect-storm-pakistan-eyes-bayraktar.html

Jane's a écrit:

Pakistan Army commissions HQ-9/P air-defence system
15 OCTOBER 2021

by Samuel Cranny-Evans & Gabriel Dominguez

A screengrab from footage released by the ISPR on 14 October showing a transporter vehicle carrying spare missiles for the HQ-9/P SAM system during a commissioning ceremony held that same day at Army Air Defence Centre Karachi. (ISPR)

The Pakistan Army's (PA's) Air Defence forces have inducted into service a variant of the Chinese-made HQ-9 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, according to a 14 October press release issued by Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media wing of the Pakistani military.

Referred to in PA service as the HQ-9/P High-to-Medium Air Defence System (HIMADS), the weapon entered service in a ceremony held that same day at Army Air Defence Centre Karachi that was also attended by Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa.

The HQ-9/P can operate as part of an integrated air and missile defence network, meaning that it will be used to “significantly enhance” the ‘Comprehensive Layered Integrated Air Defence (CLIAD)' along Pakistan's frontiers, noted the ISPR.

No information was provided about how many HQ-9/P sets have entered service and whether additional sets are on order.

Source:
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/pakistan-army-commissions-hq-9p-air-defence-system/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lentrepreneur.co/actualites/international/le-pakistan-dit-avoir-detecte-et-bloque-un-sous-marin-indien-19102021/amp

Citation :

Pakistan Navy Commissions 1st Type 054 A/P Frigate ‘PNS TUGHRIL’


PNS TUGHRIL is the lead ship of Type 054 A/P frigates (Photo: Pakistan Navy)

According to a Pakistan Navy Facebook Post, the Pakistan Navy's first Type 054A/P Frigate, PNS TUGHRIL, was commissioned on November 8 at the Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in China.

PNS TUGHRIL is the first of four frigates of Type 054 A/P being built for the Pakistan Navy. She was launched in August 2020, and the Chinese shipyard completed the process in just 14 months. The new frigate is named after “Tugrul the First,” one of the founders of the Seljuk Empire, which governed modern-day Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey between the 11th and 14th centuries. The Type 054A/P will be Pakistan Navy’s most capable warship to date.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/11/pakistan-navy-commissions-1st-type-054-a-p-frigate-pns-tughril/

Citation :

Pakistan Navy holds steel cutting ceremony of submarine PN Hangor

According to a tweet published by Pakistan Strategic Forum on December 9, 2021, Pakistan Navy holds a steel cutting ceremony of the 5th Hangor class (Type 039B) submarine PN Hangor at Karachi Shipyard.

---

Artist rendering of future Chinese made Type 039B (Hangor-class) PN Hangor (Picture source: Radio Pakistan)

Type 039B is the third member of the Type 039A series that looks identical to the earlier Type 039AG from which it is developed. 

The Type 039A submarine (Yuan class) is a class of diesel-electric submarine in China's People's Liberation Army Navy. It is China's first AIP-powered submarine and is presumed to be one of the quietest diesel-electric submarine classes in service.

The Type 039A inherits the tail design of Type 039 (Song class) with four diving planes and a single large shaft. A pair of foreplanes are positioned in the middle of the sail.

The submarine is equipped with an indigenously developed cabin-raft (shock absorbers) system. Additionally, the submarine is covered with rubber anti-sonar protection tiles to reduce the risk of detection.

The Type 039A has six 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes. These can be used to launch indigenous torpedoes such as Yu-6 as well as Russian-made torpedoes.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2021/december/11095-pakistan-navy-holds-steel-cutting-ceremony-of-submarine-pn-hangor.html

L'armée de l'air Pakistanaise devrait se doter de J-10C l'info est confirmé par le ministre de l'intérieur Pakistanais..

Ça serait intéressant de savoir la configuration de l'avion (version export?) avec quel radar et missile...

C'est la réponse du Pakistan au rafale indiens.

Sur le papier c'est un excelent vecteur de 4 générations. Radar AESA et suite de guerre électroniques ainsi qu'une grande panoplie de missiles et doté de moteur chinois. Tout ça reste a verifier.
Mais je ne crois pas qu'il soit l'egale du RAFALE.

Si l'acquisition d'une certain nombre de Chengdu J-10C est une réponse à l’acquisition par l'Inde de Rafale, c'est bien que le Pakistan est convaincu que c'est un achat raisonnable.

Mais qui l'en a convaincu ?

"Une possibilité que nous évoquions déjà en juin dernier, crainte confirmée en juillet dernier, le Pakistan et la Turquie ayant profité de l'exercice Aigle d'Analtolie avec le Qatar pour obtenir de nombreuses informations sur les performances du Rafale, quatre avions y ayant été déployés."

https://www.air-cosmos.com/article/des-rafales-qataris-bass-en-turquie-pour-pouvoir-les-analyser-les-termes-de-laccord-rvls-25743

@Ssi Fahed, nous avons notre réponse : 25 J-10C, avec du PL-15 notamment, je trouve que c'est pas mauvais comme configuration, pour le nombre de jets j'aurais pensé qu'ils auraient pris un peu plus

Erratum: The first information I handled was of 1 squadron and 25 units acquired. But the minister’s correct quote would have been «»25 J-10 will participate in the parade. The first squadron will be in Pakistan (by then).» I thank the kindness of AEROSINT Division PSF who contacted me to bring me more precise data.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/12/pakistan-buys-a-squadron-of-chengdu-j-10-from-china/

rafi a écrit:

Si l'acquisition d'une certain nombre de Chengdu J-10C est une réponse à l’acquisition par l'Inde de Rafale, c'est bien que le Pakistan est convaincu que c'est un achat raisonnable.

Mais qui l'en a convaincu ?

"Une possibilité que nous évoquions déjà en juin dernier, crainte confirmée en juillet dernier, le Pakistan et la Turquie ayant profité de l'exercice Aigle d'Analtolie avec le Qatar pour obtenir de nombreuses informations sur les performances du Rafale, quatre avions y ayant été déployés."

https://www.air-cosmos.com/article/des-rafales-qataris-bass-en-turquie-pour-pouvoir-les-analyser-les-termes-de-laccord-rvls-25743

Donc si ça se trouve, les données du bloc moteur du Rafale (ou le moteur lui même) se trouvent déjà au banc d'essai quelque part en Chine, c'est une occasion sans précédent pour corriger les défauts ou limites de la motorisation chinoise/russe.
C'est de la toute faute de macron qui est aller trop loin dans son jeux de mômes avec la Turquie et Eurdogan personnellement. Maintenant il faut attendre les retombés politiques et stratégiques de cette affaire

Impossible pour eux d'avoir des vecteurs occidentaux . Embargo US sur le reste des 77 F16 commander et la france reve du marché indien. Il n'ont aucune option a part la chine leur seul veritable allié.

J10 vs Rafale ils ne jouent pas dans la même catégorie......

+1 Anzaran 

Le choc logique aurait été le F16V mais Washington aurait dit Niet.

Les USA ont poussé le Pakistan dans les bras chinois et les chinois ont besoin du Pakistan pour des raison évidente (accès au mer chaude proche du MO containment de l'Inde etc etc)...

Le couplé aesa + pl15 est très decent et à ne pas sous estimer cependant je doute que niveau électronique (spectra sur rafale) le j10 soit "au niveau" du rafale.

À voir ce que Valle les différents pod chinois (EW, auto protection, jamer, ECM etc) mais ça limite d'emblée les configuration de l'appareil.

Les Pakistanais n'avaient juste pas le choix d'autant plus que le jf17 et son smoky engine sont d'emblée dépassés.

A mon avis (ne m'attaque pas) les chinois ne sont pas ou plus nés de la dernière pluie, ils ont réussi à subtiliser les données sensibles US, russes et autres grâce à des opérations d'intelligence de haut niveau.
Avec tous les données combinés et avec l'investissement nécessaire pour les décoder et les remodeler ils vont pouvoir faire plein de surprises.
Ils vont déjà commencer par garder les version ultimes pour leur propre armée et les version hybrides export pour les autres. A la façon occidentale.

Oui Fox one mais sont t'ils prêts à les "donner" aux pakistanais ?

Fahed64 a écrit:

Oui Fox one mais sont t'ils prêts à les "donner" aux pakistanais ?

Impossible, je spécule qu'ils auront le J10C standard, peut être avec quelque touch supp, mais pas plus.

Comme à dit ATE dans sa récente vidéo, l'effet psychologique face au rafale est déjà eleminer, et c'est ça qui est le plus important pour un pilote.

https://youtu.be/iInNSp8LxQ8

La rumeur enflait depuis cet été, le Pakistan a bel et bien passé commande à la Chine d’avions de combat CAC J-10C « Dragon Véloce » pour 36 appareils. Les livraisons devraient débuter très prochainement...

http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2021/12/30/le-pakistan-recevra-des-cac-j-10c-%C2%A0dragon-veloce%C2%A0-%C2%A0-872280.html

Cet article assez complet est à lire absolument.