Industrie militaire turque

Rappel du premier message :

j'ai toujours eu des doutes sur la qualitée des armes turques mais quand je suis tombé la dessus....

mes préjugés ont été balayer d'un coup !!
Ces armes ont l'air vraiment bien fini, un exemple à suivre pour nous je pense
Mes félicitations à l'industrie de l'arment turque.

PS: j'ai un petit faible pour le "CM9 SIYAH black"

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FAMAS a écrit:

maitrisé par plusieurs pays mais à des CEP variable tout de même ça va de 1mètre jusqu'à 100mètre selon le progrès du pays en question

Famas un guidage GPS/INS ne peut pas avoir un ecart circulaire probable variant entre 1 m et 100 m,ce genre de guidage que tu decrit correspond plus a un genre de guidage type inchallah

GlaivedeSion a écrit:

,ce genre de guidage que tu decrit correspond plus a un genre de guidage type inchallah

Excellente celle là

bah si prends la CEP du Scud A ou B, environs 100mètres, les russes s'améliorent avec leur Iskander CEP 10m
les français 1m pour le Scalp....

FAMAS a écrit:

bah si prends la CEP du Scud A ou B, environs 100mètres, les russes s'améliorent avec leur Iskander CEP 10m
les français 1m pour le Scalp....

Les Scud ont-ils un guidage GPS /INS enfin l'équivalent russe pour le satellite ?

Il me semble que l'on parle là juste du guidage GPS/INS avec un CEP de 100m

Le SCUD c'est du inertiel, un guidage dans le genre je lance une pierre dans une direction mais je pas où exactement elle tombera.

FAMAS a écrit:

bah si prends la CEP du Scud A ou B, environs 100mètres, les russes s'améliorent avec leur Iskander CEP 10m
les français 1m pour le Scalp....

Mon ami,un guidage GPS/INS ne peut avoir un CEP de l'ordre de 100 metres,cela vous dire qu'il dispose seulement d'un guidage inertiel et de tres mauvaise qualité.

Les scuds A/B n'ont pas de guidage GPS/glonass,c'est pour cela qu'il son employe uniquement dans des frappes anti-cités dans le but de tuer un maximum de civiles,mais en terme militaire c'est de la daube.


Quand tu voie un missile ou une roquette avec un CEP surperieur a 10 ou 15 metre,on ne peux pas parler de guidage GPS,ou alors seulement pendant la phase de vol,la phase d'attaque fera appel a l'INS.

L'évolution du Milgem..

Milgem (99m) / Navire F-511 ; F-512:



Milgem-S (109m) 4 navires - Class TF-100:



Milgem-F (121m) 4 navires - Class TF-200:

Le projet d'un avion de guerre furtif de la Turquie en 1948 (Projet THK-13), dans un premier temps, ils ont penser à un planeur furtif et dans un long terme l'objectif était de développer les moteurs.. Projet annulé suite au plan Marshall.. Plus jamais ça. L'industrie militaire doit se renforcer.. Le gouvernement rétrograde gauchiste avait décidé de transformer les usines aéronautique en usine de tracteur. Les ingénieurs:

Le T-129 armé, ici à Milan, si tout va bien, les premiers T-129 A seront livré en Juin de cette année

La suite..

Baybars, je crois que ta photo c'est un A129 car les pilotes sont actuellement formés en Italie

J'ai trouvé cette vidéo récente

Le 8e et dernier LCT a été mis à l'eau le 11 mai dernier :

Citation :

Lockheed Martin sole bidder left for frigates
Özgür Ekşi May 21 2012
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News

Lockheed Martin is the only serious contender left for Turkey’s naval frigate project after the Turkish navy rejected BAE Systems’ proposal. The project, however, could still be shelved for technical reasons

U.S. defense industry giant Lockheed Martin has been left as the only bidder in the $3 billion project for the joint manufacture of six (4) frigates for the Turkish navy after Ankara rejected the remaining contender BAE Systems’ proposal.

The project, however, may still not be awarded to Lockheed Martin if an agreement cannot be reached on the technical aspects of missile integration. Such an eventuality would cause the project to be shelved and then reshaped.

The long-delayed project envisions the TF-2000 frigate as a regional anti-air warfare vessel that would respond to aerial threats and also provide support functions such as command control, communication, reconnaissance and early warning. It would be bigger, heavier and more efficient in terms of war capacity than the vessels the navy has today.

The Defense Ministry last month sent a letter informing their British counterparts that Turkey was “no longer interested” in BAE Systems’ offer, an official familiar with the tender told the Hürriyet Daily News.

BAE is currently working on a new type of frigate, Type 26, which is internationally known as the Global Combat Ship (GCS). “BAE has already started the project. It was late to join. Our needs would have increased the cost. Or we would have had to review our requirements in accordance with the British Navy, but our requirements are different. BAE had also asked for a ‘license fee.’ The partnership offer would have become a model in which Turkey was financing BAE’s project,” the source told the Daily News.

Turkey’s defense procurement agency, the Undersecretary of Defense Industries (SSM), has come close to formally selecting Lockheed Martin, but it needs to hear the Turkish Navy’s decision on the choice of missile systems, which is the most critical part of the project. The ship will be designed according to the missile systems, because of their enormous weight.

Missile issue

Selecting the Lockheed SM2 missile system would simplify everything, as it is not heavy. The SM3 system would mean more negotiations on many aspects. It has a wider range, which means that the system would overlap with some of the Air Forces’ air defense duty. Missile integration is another subject to be solved.

Lockheed uses AN/SPY1 radar, while Turkish company Aselsan has started working on a smaller system called Multifunctional Phased Array Radar project (ÇAFRAD). Lockheed Martin has a Ship Integrated War Administration System called Aegis, which includes the AN/SPY1 radar, but Turkish Havelsan has already manufactured a smaller version called Genesis. Turkey wants ÇAFRAD to be inserted into AN/SPY1, Genesis to replace Aegis, and this combination to be integrated with the SM3 system.

If the two sides fail to resolve the missile integration question, then a second option will be considered. Turkey has successfully manufactured a corvette under the so-called Milgem project.

Milgem would be re-designed to manufacture a light frigate for air defense warfare and would be named TF100. “We have to develop something based on Milgem or we will waste all our know-how,” an industry source said. /q

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/lockheed-martin-sole-bidder-left-for-frigates.aspx?pageID=238&nID=21199&NewsCatID=345

Made in Turkey.

La construction du navire (SNR-MOSHIP) pour la Marine Turque destiné au sauvetage de sous-marin à débuté il y a 15 jours, Istanbul Shipyard est en charge du projet qui devrait s'achever dans 3 ans :

Des infos

http://www.istanbulshipyard.com/frmNavalVessels.aspx?tbNewBuilding_ID=10

Le chef du SSM Murad Bayar a précisé dans une interviews que 4 T-129 seraient livré à l'Armée Turque cette année.

Il a précisé également que les Heron étaient très bien entretenus par TAI/TUSAS

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=tr&tl=fr&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabah.com.tr%2FEkonomi%2F2012%2F05%2F22%2Fhavadan-10-milyar-dolar-gelebilir&act=url

Projet ATAK - Night training :

Sniper rifle JNG-90 Bora :



Pour les gamer, il est dans l'inventaire de Battlefield 3 (focus à 2.13)

Le T-129 en compet' en Corée

Citation :

South Korea includes Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Italian AgustaWestland joint venture into three possible makers of its up to 50 helicopters. This is a major success, says a Korean source. The competition to be finalized in October is a hard one as the remaining two rivals are US-based defense giants Boeing and Bell

South Korea has shortlisted a Turkish-Italian defense group consisting of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and AgustaWestland, together with two U.S. companies, as the potential makers of up to 50 attack helicopters for the nation’s military, a South Korean official said over the weekend.

TAI-AgustaWestland has been building 59 T-129 helicopters for Turkey’s military, and deliveries will start toward the end of the year. TAI-Agusta Westland has been shortlisted together with the U.S.

companies Boeing, maker of AH-64D Apache gunships for the U.S. Army, and Bell Helicopter Textron, maker of the Cobra family of helicopters for the U.S. Marine Corps, in the South Korean contest worth billions of dollars, the Korean official said.

“It is a major success for TAI and AgustaWestland to be shortlisted even before their product entered service in the Turkish military,” the official said.

TAI-Agusta Westland is due to deliver nine T-129s to the Turkish Army before the end of this year. The T-129 is a Turkish version of the Italian company’s A-129 Mangusta International attack
helicopter. One Turkish procurement official confirmed that South Korean officials will attend the tests for the T-129, scheduled to be held in July. South Korea’s decision on its gunship fleet is expected to come in October.

Apache the main rival

“The competition is mainly between Boeing, the long time-maker of the Apaches, which can be considered the best attack helicopter maker in the world, and TAI-AgustaWestland,” said one defense analyst. “The South Korean military fervently wants the Apache for their service. And TAI-AgustaWestland definitely needs to cut its price considerably to support its bid.”

Turkey wants top promote the T-129, so is willing to do that. “As for the Italians, they are in a deep economic crisis, and also want this sale very much,” the analyst said. He added that South Koreas bid to buy between 35 and 50 gunships is presently one of the world’s biggest programs.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said recently that Turkey’s while bilateral trade volume with South Korea amounts to seven billion dollars, Turkey’s exports to the country amount to only $500 million, and has called for moves to correct this imbalance. The two countries have recently signed a free trade agreement, with the South Korean side pledging to lessen the trade imbalance.

In addition, Turkey is soon expected to announce the winner of its program to build a nuclear power plant worth at least $10 billion in the country’s north, and South Korea’s Kepco is among the most-favored contenders. Kepco is up against the Japanese, the Chinese and the Canadians in the nuclear tender. Defense analysts say that although the two programs are not linked to each other officially, South Korea’s attack helicopter program is a good opportunity to correct the trade imbalance.
South Korea is mainly expected to use its attack helicopters to prevent North Korea’s use of small
patrol boats operating in the Yellow Sea, to the west of the two countries.

Turkey and South Korea have enjoyed very close political ties since the Korean War of the 1950s, when Turkey was part of the United Nations forces fighting against North Korea and China. The two countries have also recently forged good defense ties.

Defense ties

Under a $1 billion dollar license agreement, Turkey has been building South Korean howitzers since the 1990s. Korean Aerospace Industries is now building, together with TAI, a $450 million program to build 50 basic trainers at the TAI plant, and the deal is coming to an end. Hyundai Rotem, under a $500 million agreement, is helping the Turkish armored vehicles maker Otokar to build four prototypes of Turkey’s first indigenous tank, the Altay, which will be completed around 2017. TAI also views the Koreans as a potential a partner in a multibillion-dollar program to build an indigenous fighter aircraft after 2020.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-italian-group-on-south-korean-copter-shortlist.aspx?pageID=238&nID=21713&NewsCatID=344

TAI Hurkus (cérémonie de sortie d'usine prévu en Juin)

Citation :

Two top Turkish shipyards, RMK Makina and Dearsan, are in the running to build the last five corvettes for Turkey’s multibillion Milgem program for $1.5 billion.

The Defense Industry Executive Committee is expected to meet early next month to choose between two top Turkish shipyards, RMK Makina and Dearsan A.S., to build the last six corvettes in the multibillion dollar program to build eight new corvettes, dubbed the Milgem, a senior procurement official said over the weekend.

Members of Turkey’s top decision-making body on defense procurement include Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Defense Minister İsmet Yılmaz, Chief of General Staff Gen. Necdet Özel and the committee’s secretary, Murad Bayar, the head of the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries. The committee usually meets three times a year on major procurement programs.

The first and second ships under Turkey’s Milgem program have already been built by military shipyards, and the rest of the ships will be constructed by a private shipyard. The TCG Heybeliada, the first of the Milgem ships, has entered service in the Navy and the TSC Büyükada, the second, has been put to sea.

The private shipyard to be selected at the meeting, believed to be set for July 4 if no change is made to the schedule, is due to build the rest of the corvettes for nearly $1.5 billion.

The Milgem program is the first national project for Turkey to construct warships. Corvettes are the smallest warships, while the largest warships in the inventory of the Turkish Navy are frigates.

After the Milgem project is finished, Turkey is due to design, develop and construct its first national frigate, the TF2000 in the 2020s.

“The Milgem has been very useful from the point of design, development and construction of a national ship, and we are going to build on this experience to obtain the capability to build bigger warships,” the procurement official said.

The Milgem program will end at eight ships and later the TF2000 will be launched.

Turkey also will hold talks next week with Qatar on constructing a corvette for the Gulf country.

“We can produce 70 or 80 percent of all the needs in the Navy. The sole exception is submarines and engines, and we are moving with concrete steps on that,” the official said.

Turkey presently can also produce a New Type Patrol Boat, Coast Guard Research and Rescue Boat and Tank Landing Ships, the procurement official said.

Separately, a submarine deal worth 2 billion euros between SSM and Germany’s HDW shipyards for the joint manufacture of six modern U-214 diesel platforms for the Turkish Navy formally took effect in July 2010. “This will be the last submarine we will be building with someone else,” the procurement official said.

In a less orthodox project, Ankara has plans to a buy a landing platform dock, or LPD, a vessel that looks like a helicopter carrier and can transport up to a battalion-sized unit (more than 1,000 soldiers) long distances. Turkey plans to use this ship for NATO-related missions to carry troops or refugees.

According to the size and capabilities, the Turkish LPD will cost between $500 million and $1 billion.

Presently, the Turkish Navy has nearly 49,000 personnel and 75 aircraft, 17 frigates, seven corvettes, 14 submarines and 27 fast missile boats.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/six-corvettes-to-cost-15-billions.aspx?pageID=238&nID=22366&NewsCatID=345

La Turquie a choisit Saab pour le développement du futur avion furtif. Les deux pays développement conjointement les projets TF et FX..

Un vue d'ensemble du futur avion Turco-suédois:

alors peut être le Gripen dans Tuaf alors ?

Viper a écrit:

alors peut être le Gripen dans Tuaf alors ?

Je crois pas, la Turaf souhaite un chasseur. Le projet FX/TFX est un projet d'un avion assez lourd, furtif, multi-rôle. On peut le comparer au F-35, un excellent remplaçons du F-16.

Baybars a écrit:

La Turquie a choisit Saab pour le développement du futur avion furtif. Les deux pays développement conjointement les projets TF et FX..

Un vue d'ensemble du futur avion Turco-suédois:

C'est le mêmes projet proposé aux coréens en 2009 et décliné par ces derniers
regarde par ici Baybaros, le 6ème message:

https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/t2040-korea-aerospace-industries-kfx

Spoiler: