Industrie militaire turque

Rappel du premier message :

Le SSM travaille sur un mécanisme de crédit de gouvernement à gouvernement pour les exportations.

En gros, un FMS Turc

De la bouche du SSM Murad Bayar :

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The strengths of the Turkish defence industry have been a high-level of cost effectivity, high quality, on time delivery and a very effective after-sales support in all of those regions. We are also working on a new export credit mechanism for Government to Government (G2G) sales of defence products. We believe that Turkish defence products will be also advantageous in terms of finance after establishing this credit mechanism.

http://www.miltechmag.com/2013/02/idex-2013-undersecretariat-for-defence.html

Comme le dit l'article, ils cherchent à coopérer avec des pays qui sont en train de développer leur propre torpille. Nous on coopère avec les Sud Coréens depuis quelques années.

La torpille lourde Akya (533mm) est un programme assez secret (rien ne filtre) , mais si on regarde bien les reportages  

Chez Havelsan, on doit être en phase de test :

Le T-50, version modifiée/upgradée par MKEK du HK33 est en service en Thailande et Philippines.

Nommer l'ancien Chief of General Staff comme ambassadeur, ça veut dire beaucoup de choses ...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-332239-poland-interested-in-boosting-defense-ties-with-turkey.html a écrit:

Poland interested in boosting defense ties with Turkey

As the recent assignment of Poland's former chief of general staff as ambassador to Ankara suggests, Poland is eager to establish closer cooperation with the Turkish defense industry.
I think I'll be very busy with defense issues, and I hope we will achieve more [in cooperation in defense], said Mieczyslaw Cieniuch, the Polish ambassador recently appointed to Ankara, in an exclusive interview with Today's Zaman.

Poland is interested in collaborating with Turkey in the production and modernization of various weapons systems. Among these are helicopters, the production of corvettes, which are small-scale warships, and the modernization of Poland's Perry-class frigates and German-made Leopard 2A4 tanks. Poland, which will domestically produce three corvettes, is interested in learning from the experience of Turkey's first domestically produced corvette with stealth capability, the first of which entered service about two years ago. Turkey has successfully modernized its Perry-class frigates which it obtained from the US, and Poland also seeks cooperation with Turkey in the modernization of its own Perry-class frigates.

A second modernization project with which Poland seeks cooperation is the modernization of its Leopard 2A4 tanks. Turkey's ASELSAN, a defense giant in electronics and weapons systems, successfully modernized Turkey's Leopard 1 and 2 tanks in the past. ASELSAN will join a Polish partner in a tender for the modernization of the tanks, which Poland is soon expected to open for bids. Though noting that in tenders the final result is always hard to guess, Cieniuch, who has been in Turkey since the end of October, commented, They [ASELSAN and the partner company] have a chance to win.

Combat and utility helicopters are another area in which Poland and Turkey can profitably cooperate, the ambassador said, noting that two foreign companies, Sikorsky and AgustaWestland, have production facilities in Poland. Turkey is also in close cooperation with the same companies in its production of helicopters. With technological assistance obtained from AgustaWestland, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has produced the T-129 attack helicopter, Turkey's first domestically produced helicopter. With Sikorsky, Turkey hopes soon to reach an agreement on the production of 109 UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters in Turkey. This means it's natural we can cooperate in the area of helicopters, said the ambassador, who made a point of underlining that cooperation must be profitable for both sides in all areas.

A matter on which the two countries have come close to an agreement is Turkey's production of a truck chassis for Polish howitzer guns, while the turret and command and control systems are produced by Poland under British license.

Discussions are going well, and Turkey and Poland will probably sign an agreement soon, the ambassador said. In the beginning, the Polish army will be the customer for the howitzers, but in the future, production for third countries may also be undertaken.

'Poland's Soviet-made air defense not comparable to Chinese system'

After recently selecting China's bid for Turkey's long-range air defense missile system, Turkey has come under heavy pressure from the US and NATO. Both insistently declared that integration of a Chinese system into NATO's network would not be possible, with the implication that Turkey would not be allowed to integrate the Chinese system into NATO radar on its territory, while Turkish officials replied that Soviet-made air defense systems currently in use by some former members of the Warsaw Pact had been integrated into the NATO system.

Ankara believes Poland is a case in point for Turkey's missile debate. Although the ambassador confirmed that Soviet-made short-range air defense systems employed by the Polish Armed Forces had been integrated with some NATO elements, he strongly underlined that the Soviet-made short-range air defense system in use in Poland and the long-range missile system Turkey is seeking to introduce are not comparable.

As it's [Poland's system] not a defense system against missiles, it's a different system from the one Turkey is buying. The two should not be compared, Cieniuch said. Although he notes that Poland now usually procures its military equipment from NATO countries, the ambassador said each country has the right to decide for itself.

Poland watched developments in Turkey's long-range air defense missile system tender closely, as it has been planning a similar project. Explaining that integration into the NATO network will be a major criterion in Poland's choice of system, the ambassador said, It's not good when we build separate islands in a missile defense system, because that will not be effective. However, he also added, Technology transfer, coproduction and price are also important for us.

Turkey's booming defense industry has attracted increasing foreign attention in recent years, but relations with Poland, which has offered Turkey strong support for its European Union membership bid, are also expected to develop substantially in various areas, especially economic ties. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoan paid a visit, the main focus of which was economic ties, to Poland in early November. Erdoan was accompanied by a number of ministers including Minister of Economy Zafer Çalayan, Minister of Energy and Natural Resources Taner Yldz and Minister of Transportation, Maritime Affairs and Communications Binali Yldrm.

The two countries aim to increase their bilateral trade volume, which is currently around $5 billion, to $10 billion in a short time. We have the chance to build strategic ties, especially regarding the economy and cooperation in NATO, the ambassador said.

Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski will be visiting Turkey in March of next year, which also marks the 600th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic ties between Turkey and Poland. Several agreements in various fields, including the economy and defense, are planned to be signed during the president's visit to Ankara.

Arma 6x6 avec canon MIZRAK (30mm) et L-UMTAS :



Arma 8x8 avec canon de BPM-3 :

EAU?

Je pense oui, ils ont ouvert un gros bid de 600 APC 8x8 y a quelques temps déjà, le Arma 8x8 est en course, je pense qu'ils veulent intégrer la tourelle du BMP-3 qu'ils apprécient.

Ils ont invité la crème pour choisir pour ça que ça dure si longtemps je pense.

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Merrill Lynch refuses to serve Turkish defense firm

U.S.-based financial management and advisory company Merrill Lynch has refused Turkish defense firm Aselsan’s request for it to advise and underwrite Aselsan’s second public offering, citing the missile deal inked by Turkey with a Chinese company currently under U.S. sanctions.

“If it is possible that you will work with the Chinese company, CPMIEC, we would not work with you,” said Merrill Lynch in a letter sent to Aselsan.

Western reactions appear to be increasing after Turkey’s selection of the Chinese firm to co-produce a long-range air and missile defense system. The U.S.-based Merrill Lynch cited the decision as a reason in itself to deny Aselsan’s request to work with it in Aselsan’s second public offering.

Questioned by daily Hürriyet, Merrill Lynch confirmed that it had refused Aselsan’s offer due to Turkey’s missile deal with China, but declined to give further details of the letter claimed to have been sent to Aselsan.

CPMIEC is under U.S. sanctions for violations of the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act. Merrill Lynch reminded that CPMIEC was on the U.S.’s blacklist.

Fifteen percent of Aselsan has so far been offered to the public, and the company has been talking with several international consultancy firms ahead of its second public offering, including Merrill Lynch. The details of the public offering of Aselsan, with a market cap of 4.2 billion Turkish Liras, will be elaborated with an international advisory and underwriting firm, such as Merrill Lynch.

According to sources, Merrill Lynch prepared the letter in coordination with the U.S. administration, after Washington expressed “serious concerns” over Turkey’s missile decision.

Whether Aselsan will be able to find a reputable advisory firm and underwriter for its planned public offering is now a big question, as most such firms are Western.

Difficult times ahead for Turkish defense firms

Turkish defense firms look set to face several difficulties in the future due to the deal with China.

Sevil Erkuş reported for the Hürriyet Daily News on Nov. 4 that the U.S. was examining the possible legal outcomes of Turkey’s deal with the sanctioned Chinese company.

These concerns were high on the agenda of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Jim Miller, who held talks at the end of October with representatives from the Turkish Defense and Foreign Ministries, as well as the General Staff.

In his meetings in Ankara, Miller discussed possible problems that may arise if the government decides to enter into a contract with a U.S.-sanctioned company, stressing that the Chinese system would not be interoperable with NATO systems or collective defense capabilities, Erkuş reported.

Miller also mentioned the possibility of a Turkish deal with a U.S.-sanctioned company hampering ongoing and upcoming contracts involving the joint manufacture of U.S. military components in Turkey, due to legal restrictions.

The U.S. government has been examining what legal ramifications may arise from joint production with Turkish defense companies such as Aselsan, if the latter enters into joint production with a sanctioned Chinese company and shares its facilities.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com

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“If it is possible that you will work with the Chinese company, CPMIEC, we would not work with you,” said Merrill Lynch in a letter sent to Aselsan.

Je rajouterai ...

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US blocks company from exporting UAV tech to Turkey

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=1E0EC756017B6E8724BC5CFB59A40F74?newsId=333142

Par ailleurs, le SSM Bayar a déclaré récemment par rapport à ce risque d'embargo à cause du choix du HQ-9 :

"Notre volonté de bâtir notre industrie militaire vient d'un embargo (après l'intervention à Chypre), ce genre de gestes ne fera que déterminer notre volonté de nationalisation et nous mettra devant le fait accompli pour voir nos vrais lacunes".

(He has some balls )

On a pas besoin des Américains, qu'ils aillent voir ailleurs, on doit fermer Incirlik et les virer..

Je suis content d'être dans la même position que le SSM sur la compétitivité internationale concernant le domaine maritime.

Aujourd'hui, il y 7 chantiers navals qui se disputent les offres de la Marine, c'est beaucoup trop.

On doit favoriser les fusions avec max 2 chantiers navals qui peuvent concurrencer sur l'international.

On doit créer notre propre Navantia, Fincantieri ou DCNS.

CBU par Tubitak Sage ...

type SFW ou normal ?

Inanç a écrit:

Je rajouterai ...

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US blocks company from exporting UAV tech to Turkey

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=1E0EC756017B6E8724BC5CFB59A40F74?newsId=333142

Par ailleurs, le SSM Bayar a déclaré récemment par rapport à ce risque d'embargo à cause du choix du HQ-9 :

"Notre volonté de bâtir notre industrie militaire vient d'un embargo (après l'intervention à Chypre), ce genre de gestes ne fera que déterminer notre volonté de nationalisation et nous mettra devant le fait accompli pour voir nos vrais lacunes".

(He has some balls )

Dans le dernier DSI, ils affirment que le refus de vendre des predator a Ankara est consecutif aux échanges avec l'Iran et a la divulgation des noms d'agents du mossad a teheran. Pas sûre que Fidan ait eu du nez sur ce coup là.

PGM

@Yakuza

Ce programme date de 2005-2006, il a été lancé après le refus dans les années 90 par les USA de nous livrer des CBU-87, on n'a pas d'images d'impact pour juger.

Aselsan inaugure son usine au Kazakhstan demain (10 décembre).

Production de systèmes électro-optique.

Focus sur le système de visée thermique pour BTR.





Le Mindef Ismet Yilmaz assistera à la cérémonie.

http://www.haber3.com/savunma-bakani-yilmaz-kazakistanda-haberi-2358187h.htm

+ Otokar a fait aussi des investissements au Kazakhstan, ils vont produire des Cobra sous licence, quand l'usine est ouverte, on peut rêver de tout (Arma, Tulpar même Altay).

L'usine a été ouverte au Kazakhstan, quelques infos :

- Investissements de 44 millions de $.
- 50 employés, tous Kazakhs.
- Objectif d'1 milliards de $ de ventes en 10 ans au Kazakhstan & pays de la région (ex-URSS).
- 9 types de systèmes électro-optiques seront produits (caméra, viseur)

Il y a également intention pour Aselsan de moderniser les T-72, hélicoptères et autres véhicules blindés dans l'inventaire Kazakh.

Aujourd'hui, 8 000 m² d'installations qui peuvent être augmentées à 25 000 selon l'évolution du marché.



Source en Turque : http://www.trthaber.com/haber/ekonomi/aselsan-kazakistanda-fabrika-acti-111741.html

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FNSS vient de signer un contrat de 360 millions de $ pour la modernisation de M113 avec un client du MO non cité (peut-être un 2e contrat avec KSA) :

On aura des infos complémentaires dans les prochains temps. C'est le Twitter officiel d'un magasine Turc de Défense, c'est fiable.

Ok là c'est très likely KSA (~90% sûr), on savait que FNSS avait l'ambition de signer des contrats multiples pour moderniser les M113, ça se concrétise.

http://www.c4defence.com/en/news/new-export-success-from-record-breaker a écrit:

New export success from record breaker

FNSS Savunma Sistemleri A.Ş. has signed an export agreement with a Middle Eastern Country, worth of $360 million. Country name is kept confidential. The deal includes modernisation of M113 armoured combat vehicles. FNSS manufactures armoured vehicles and modernises vehicles for same country and this deal is its sixth agreement. FNSS made a written statement and declared M113 vehicles that will be modernised by FNSS will perform better than already modernised other M113 vehicles in other countries. With this agreement, FNSS’ exports to Middle Easter countries overpasses $ 1 bn and FNSS gets one step closer to its $ 500 million yearly income target.

tres bon contrat,une idée sur quelle sorte d´upgrade?

Yakuza a écrit:

tres bon contrat,une idée sur quelle sorte d´upgrade?

Lucky bro, FNSS a refondu son site web

  

http://www.fnss.com.tr/en/product/m113-modernization

FNSS a des facilities en KSA, Baybars avait posté une vidéo quelque part dans le forum (topic Armée Saoudienne je crois).

Des déclarations du CEO d'Aselsan :

- La JV avec KDBB en Jordanie va ouvrir début 2014.

- Pour être dans le marché US, il faut absolument une société sur place car obligation de produire là bas, on peut acheter une société aux US éventuellement.

- Les travaux pour ouvrir la ligne de production de radio logicielle continuent en Indonésie.

- Nous avons acheté la ligne de production d'une société spécialisée dans l'electro-optique qui était en difficulté financière en Afrique du Sud (je croyais juste une agence/bureau)

Source en Turque : http://www.spothaber.com/ekonomi/aselsan-genel-muduru-ergeneman-105707.html

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Turkish-Made Drone Anka Crashes

ANKARA — The cause of the Dec. 6 crash in southeastern Turkey of an Anka UAV — the first unmanned aircraft designed and built in the country — remains under investigation, military officials here said.

The UAV went down during a day flight , the officials said. The Anka has been undergoing operational test flights at a military base in Batman, southeastern Turkey.

In a written statement, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), maker of the Anka, said that a technical investigation into the crash was progressing, with no results so far. In 2012, the Anka made two crash landings during flight tests.

Last month, the Turkish government ordered an initial batch of 10 Ankas and their ground stations from TAI. Under the deal, the first serial production deliveries will take place between 2016 and 2018.

Turkey has also decided to add satellite communications capabilities to the Anka, and has said the UAV’s design would evolve over time after consultations with the Air Force about what modification or additions might be needed.

The Anka passed acceptance tests late in January. The final, decisive tests on Jan. 20-21 involved a full-endurance, 18-hour flight, successful auto landing, data-link performance at a distance of 200 kilometers under winds up to 45 knots, and night takeoffs and landings. The Anka has completed more than 150 flight hours.

The Anka is a medium-altitude, long-endurance drone. Such UAVs usually can operate for 24 hours at an altitude of 10,000 feet.

http://www.defensenews.com

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Turkey produces first F-35 center fuselage


ANKARA, Turkey, Dec. 12 (UPI) -- The first Turkish-made center fuselage for the F-35 Lightning II has been delivered to Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman by Turkish Aerospace Industries.

TAI said the center fuselage was delivered Wednesday at a ceremony at its manufacturing facility in Ankara and will be installed onto the aircraft by Lockheed in Texas.

"Delivery of the first F-35 center fuselage is a major step by TAI to demonstrate its commitment to adding value to the (F-35) program," said Muharrem Dortkasli, president and chief executive officer of TAI. "TAI invested in brand new, state-of-the-art facilities, machinery, equipment and tooling to manufacture the most advanced and complex assembly of the F-35, fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

"It is now time to begin delivering world-class TAI center fuselages to the final production line at an increasing rate every year."

TAI is producing center fuselages for the F-35 as a sub-contractor to Northrop Grumman. It also produces center fuselage metallic assemblies for the F-35A, selected composite components for all F-35 variants, composite air inlet ducts for F-35A, and air-to-ground alternate mission pylons for all F-35 variants.

It said once the F-35 program reaches full rate production, it will ship three center fuselages a month to assembly lines in the United States and Italy.

"This is a great achievement for the Northrop Grumman-TAI team," said Brian Chappel, vice president of the F-35 program at Northrop Grumman Aerospace Systems. "We worked hand-in-hand to manufacture the first center fuselage, following established processes implemented by Northrop Grumman on our own assembly line in California. Together, we are driving down costs and raising efficiencies to help the F-35 program meet its affordability goals."

http://www.upi.com