Personnellement je ne compare pas les moyens économiques ni la puissance militaire mais plutôt l'attitude de leurs décideurs et leur état d'esprit combatif, ils n'hésitent pas à démontrer qu'il vont aller jusqu'au bout pour faire ce qu'il faut pour défendre leur sécurité et intérêt, c'est cette esprit offensif qui nous manque vis à vis nous enemies, nous sommes très très passifs et inoffensifs envers nos enemies, notre stratégie et trop Pacifique, alors que nos enemies ne le sont pas, et ne comprennent que le langage de l'intimidation et la force, ils ne comprennent pas le langage du pragmatisme la fraternité et le partenariat Tous sans exception ( l'angerie les espagnols ou les Mauritaniens) nous évoluant dans un contexte très hostile, avec les espagnols on a ouvert notre économie on a donné beaucoup d'avantages contrats à leurs entreprises on a même était très stupide d'espérer organiser la coupe du monde avec eux voir même faire nos courses d'armement chez eux et à la fin on a reçu un ...... Royal de leur par, pour les algechiens je préfère ne pas m'exprimer car je risque de dépasser les ligne rouge car ça fait flipper notre attitude plus que bizarre avec eux et je dirais la même chose avec la Mauritanie, bref je me trempe peut être mais encore une fois ça n'a rien à voir avec l'économie ou les moyens financiers quand on voit qu'on est capable de dépenser plus que 1b $ rien que pour des missiles two, mais c'est question de volonté politique rien de plus. On a pas inclus le développement de la marine royale comme priorité dans notre programme de mise à niveau militaire car nous avons espéré de garder de bonnes relations avec les espagnols et comme d'habitude on a voulu joué le truc de la bonne volonté, maintenant après notre Nième claque on se rencontre que c'est une erreur d'appréciation stratégique heureusement on a d'autres cartes à jouer. cependant à moyen et long terme, avoir une Marine imposante est une obligation voir une fatalité si on veut profiter de notre souveraineté complète sur tout nos territoires
Le classement des priorités se fait en fonction de la dangerosité des menaces, de l état des moyens militaires disponibles pour y faire face et de la marge de manœuvre financière dont on dispose.
En terme de menace c est nos frontières des l Est et du Sud qui présentent le plus de dangerosité. Avec un régime instable et ouvertement hostile a l est et un vrai risque de guerre ouverte . L Espagne est un adversaire très hypothétique mais on a d autres moyens de les contenir. Et surtout ils ne sont pas fous.
Pour répondre à la menace algérienne nous devions absolument renforcer nos moyens aériens et notre armée de terre où ils nous dépassent en nombre (chars et ifv principalement), leur marine n est aucunement une menace pour nous: c est nous qui tenons le détroit.
La stratégie marocaine est tout à fait logique en terme d'allocations des ressources disponibles. Si on veut une stratégie plus agressive il faut plus de ressources..! Ce n est pas question d état d'esprit.
Earlier this week, Egypt's President Al-Sissi accompanied by UAE crown prince Mohamed Bin Zayed inaugurated a new naval base on the northwest coast of Egypt bearing the name of the July 3 Naval Base in the Jargoub area, about 180km far from the Egyptian-Libyan borders. (Written by Mahmoud Gamal, Military Affairs Writer)
Map for Egypt's New Naval Bases (Picture source: Twitter account of Medomee5)
In conjunction with the inauguration, a large-scale military exercise was conducted which included the execution of tactical amphibious assault from the two Egyptian Mistral LHDs, targeting hostile naval vessels represented in decommissioned Egyptian Navy ships with Harpoon &Exocet Anti-ships missiles, DM2A4 Seahake Torpedo from a Type-209/1400 submarine, as well as facing aerial threats by firing MICA-VL Surface-to-air missiles from Gowind corvettes & RIM-116 RAM missiles.
Also, during the Exercise, the Egyptian Kamov Ka-52 Russian Gunships (Ground-based version) appeared for the first time inside the Mistral Hangars with folded rotors in sign that they were modified at an Egyptian request to be able to operate on the Mistral helicopters carrier permanently as the Ka-52K Katran isn't still available yet.
Egyptian Ka-52 Gunships inside the Mistral LHD hangar
The new 3rd of July Naval Base is one of three new naval bases that Egypt has completely built recently. The new bases are located in three different strategic directions.
3rd July Naval Base is located on the Northwest strategic direction, near Libya. This country is facing an unstable security situation since 2011 and has imposed a direct threat on Egypt's national security, hence Egypt made a huge military build-up over the past few years near the borders with Libya to secure and control it.
The new Egyptian Navy base aims to protect the Egyptian economic interests in Eastern Mediterranean, especially after signing the Egyptian-Greek Exclusive Economic Zone Agreement (EZZ), protecting and securing global shipping lines to Europe and prevent illegal immigration and smuggling attempts. 3rd of July base is also considered as a logistical hub for the Egyptian Navy Northern fleet. Also, 3rd of July base has been built on strategic planning as the Egyptian Northwest coast is currently witnessing rapid urban development and energy expansion by building a nuclear power plant. All these vital targets require more military presence by naval and air force means to insure security and stability. 3rd of July base along the other new military bases established in this region will play a key role in securing these vital targets.
Berenice Naval Base in the southern strategic direction, on the Red Sea coast. It is entrusted with the tasks of securing the Red Sea sector and Egyptian economic waters and preventing infiltration, smuggling and illegal immigration from the African countries through the Red Sea, as it contributes to securing the Egyptian strategic depth in the southern Red Sea to Bab al-Mandab Strait, Berenice Naval Base also serves a permanent logistical hub for the Egyptian Navy Southern Fleet.
East Port Said Naval Base is located on the Northeast strategic direction, on the Mediterranean coast. Its main aim is to secure and protect the Egyptian economic interests, energy resources as Zohr Gas field in Eastern Mediterranean, also to ensure the security of maritime traffic in the Suez Canal, which is considered as one of the most important shipping lanes in the World.
Why is Egypt building new naval bases? (The Common Goal)
Frigate “Toshka” F906
First, Since al Sissi came to power, Egypt has put at the top of its priorities the development and modernization of the capabilities of the Egyptian army in all its forms, including the navy. The development plan targeted the navy and triangulated in three different directions, namely the development of armaments capabilities and the acquisition of advanced and modern naval units that add to Egypt large and unprecedented combat capabilities and expansion within the scope of the naval forces’ operations, the development of the combatant individual and his qualification of training to accommodate the newly purchased naval vessels and follow up with the rapid development processes at all levels.
The main aspect is the development of the infrastructure of the navy by developing the facilities of the navy, building a number of new naval bases to add new capabilities to the armed forces that enable them to accommodate the development process, securing the Egyptian waters and borders, national interests, energy sources, providing logistical support to the Navy on a permanent basis on all Egyptian state strategic directions, be a hub for training, redeployment of naval units to conduct any assigned task or operation, also the new naval bases could help Egypt's allies like Greece, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and UAE in providing logistical support to them during military operations or training missions in the Red Sea or the Mediterranean.
Egyptian Navy modernized
Over the past years, Egypt has comprehensively modernized its navy by introducing new naval vessels. It has been assigned missions of different types, involving two Mistral helicopter carriers and amphibious ships, one French-origin FREMM Aquitaine-class frigate, two Italian-origin FREMM Bergamini-class General Purpose (GP) frigates, four Gowind-2500 corvettes, three of which were manufactured in Egypt by Alexandria shipyard company in cooperation with the French Naval Group, fourUS-made Ambassador Mk III fast missile craft, in addition to four German-built Type-209/1400 diesel-electric submarines, one Tarantul-class missile boat donated by Russia, one Pohang-class corvette gifted from South Korea, ten patrol boats from the German Lürssen group. Germany is also currently building four Meko A200 frigates for the Egyptian Navy, the first of which is scheduled to be delivered by early 2022.
Within the scope of the navy's modernization plan, Egypt is not only seeking to purchase combat naval vessels; it is also working on transferring manufacturing technology to build an industrial platform that would enable it to design and manufacture its own technology in the future.
Egypt started with the Gowind-class corvettes deal, which included buying one corvette from France and transferring the manufacturing technology to build three more in Egypt by the armed forces owned company "Alexandria shipyard".
Egypt is also going to manufacture one Meko A200 frigate locally in Alexandria shipyard in cooperation with the German company ThyssenKrupp. Egypt's ambition is not limited to surface vessels: it was reported that Egypt is seeking to transfer the manufacturing technology of submarines to be built locally in its army-owned shipyards, something that will make a big shift in Egypt's naval industries base.
Egypt's plan to develop its naval forces has not ended yet. It just started, as Egypt wants to be a regional power with influence and control in the Middle East region& Eastern Mediterranean.
Egyptian Type 209/1400 submarine arrives in Alexandria Naval Base
Naval News August 2021 Navy Forces Maritime Defense Industry
POSTED ON MONDAY, 02 AUGUST 2021 13:11
According to a tweet published by Mahmoud Gamal on August 2, 2021, the Egyptian Type 209/1400 submarine arrived in Alexandria Naval base after its departure from Kiel, Germany, in July.
Egyptian Type 209/1400 submarine S44 in Alexandria (Picture source: Egypttoday)
Type 209 is a class of diesel-electric attack submarine developed exclusively for export by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft of Germany. The original variant (Type 209/1100) was designed in the late 1960s. The class is exclusively designed for export market. Despite not being operated by the German Navy, five variants of the class (209/1100, 209/1200, 209/1300, 209/1400 and 209/1500) have been successfully exported to 13 countries, with 61 submarines being built and commissioned between 1971 and 2008.
The average Type 209 has a crew of 30 and displaces 1 594 tons submerged. The type is 62 meters long with a 6.2-meter pressure hull diameter. It can dive to a maximum depth of 250 metres and is armed with eight torpedo tubes with 14 torpedoes.
Egypt’s new Type 209 submarines have a range of 11 000 nautical miles, a top speed of 21 knots, and a displacement of over 1 400 tonnes.
The Type 209/1400 mod series submarines are claimed to be are extremely reliable, can stay submerged for a long time, are fast, and are hard to locate thanks to their low signatures. It is the latest version of the HDW Type 209 “family” with over 60 boats built or under contract.
The Egyptian Type 209/1400 submarines have eight 21-inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes and are able to carry and launch up to 14 missiles and torpedoes, in addition to deploying naval mines. They will be fitted with SeaHake mod 4 torpedoes and UGM-84L Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles (AShM).
Les Egyptiens seraient en discussions avec les US au sujet d'une acquistion des E-2D ...Ce serait juste incroyable ca permettra aux Egyptiens de devenir une sacrée force à prendre en considération en Medor...
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C’est clair que c’est le genre de plateforme qui te ramène dans une autre dimension. Avec les 70 rafales (120 à terme) c’est clair que ils sont pas à prendre à la légère !
Je serai l’EM éthiopien je serai pas tranquille ….
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U.S. Navy explosive ordinance disposal technicians assigned to Task Force 56 and Egyptian Naval Force personnel conduct counter improvised explosive device training at Mohamed Naguib Military Base during BrightStar21,Egypt,sept 11.
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Des rumeurs sur un mecontentement égyptien sur le coût annuel de la MCO des Rafales égyptiens qui équivaut le prix d'un rafale neuf. J'ai lu sur FB qu'ils ont exprimé cela, mais je sais pas si c vrai ou juste de la surenchère: https://www.facebook.com/346555199554788/posts/875295363347433/?sfnsn=mo
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