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| Sujet: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Jeu 10 Avr - 16:37 | |
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Des videos sur la corvette SIGMA appartenant à la marine de guerre indonésienne
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKq_VvB7GY&feature=related
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ghM_in1iyw&NR=1
la corvette Class SIGMA The "KRI Diponegoro"
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Mar 19 Avr - 11:37 | |
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- Indonesia Receives Two Warships from Brunei
PONTIANAK, KOMPAS.com - Indonesia has received two warships, "KRI Salawaku 642" and "KRI Badau 643" from Brunei Darussalam under a grant, which will join the West Fleet Command (ARMABAR). Brunei government officially handed over the two warships on April 15, 2011, (Navy) Maj Komaruddin, the commander of KRI Badau said here on Monday. Both ships were originally called "KDB (Kapal Perang Diraja Brunei) Waspada" and "KDB Pejuang" as part of the Royal Brunei Navy fleet, he said. In accordance with Decree of the Defense Forces (Military)Commander, "KDB Waspada" is now called "KRI Salawaku" with hull number 642 and "KDB Pejuang" is now "KRI Badau" with hull number 643. "The two ships are part of the rapid ship missile (KCR)," Maj Komaruddin said, adding that the ships were designed in England and constructed in its plant in Singapore each with a cruising capacity of 28 knots. The two warships can be operated for the next 10 to 15 years, and each with a crew of 37, consisting of 7 officers and 30 men, Maj Komaruddin added. kompas.com | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Ven 22 Avr - 9:50 | |
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Indonesian Navy successfully tests Russian anti-ship missile
The Indonesian Navy has successfully tested a Russian-made anti-ship missile for the first time, the Antara national news agency reported on Thursday. The Yakhont anti-ship missile was launched on Wednesday from the Van Speijk class frigate, Oswald Siahaan, during naval exercises in the Indian Ocean. Russian observers oversaw the drills, which involved 12 ships and over 1,000 personnel. It took six minutes for the missile to cover 250 kilometers and destroy a designated target. "The target ship was hit [by the missile] and sank," Navy spokesman Rear Admiral Iskandar Sitompul said. "We bought these missiles a long time ago, and have finally tested them." Indonesia bought an undisclosed number of Russian SS-N-26 Yakhont supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles for $1.2-million apiece in 2007 to replace Harpoon missiles on its frigates. The missile has a maximum range of 300 kilometers when cruising at high altitude. It flies at low level during the terminal phase, and between 5 and 15 meters in altitude. MOSCOW, April 21 (RIA Novosti) | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Sam 23 Avr - 0:28 | |
| l'armée de l'air Indonesienne a commandé 8 Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano afin de remplacer ses vieux Rockwell OV-10 Bronco à partir de 2012. Le turbopropulseur brésilien est en service dans 5 forces aéeriennes sud-américaines où il est utilisé contre les narcotraficants et pour la lutte antiguerilla(Coin). Il est aussi en compétion aux etats-Unis dans le cadre programme LAAR(light Attack /Armed Reconnaissance) initié par l'USAF en juillet 2009 source Air Fan | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Ven 29 Avr - 14:14 | |
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Indonesia Launches Indigenous Warship
Indonesian Defence Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro has launched the indigenously built warship, the KRI Clurit, at Batu Ampar cargo port, Batam, Riau Islands province, Indonesia. The 40m-long KRI Clurit is a swift missile-carrying ship designed and built by PT Palindo Marine to help secure the country's waters in the western region, according to Antara News. "With it, Indonesia has started to have the capability to safeguard its seas with self-made ships. We no longer need handouts," Yusgiantoro added. The minister said that an indigenous submarine and a destroyer would also be added to the Indonesian Navy's fleet. National Defence Forces (TNI) commander admiral Agus Suhartono said the navy had ordered two KCR-40 missile boats that would operate in Indonesia's western waters.
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Jeu 5 Mai - 10:42 | |
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RI deploys F-16 jets to secure ASEAN Summit
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Wed, 05/04/2011 9:48 AM | National
The Indonesian military (TNI) has deployed one flight of F-16 Fighting Falcon jet aircraft from Iswahjudi Airbase Air Squadron 3 in Malang, East Java, to support security measures at the 18th ASEAN Summit in Jakarta, scheduled to take place from May 4 to 8. The jets arrived at the Halim Perdanakusumah airport on Tuesday, Antara reported. The flight was led by the air squadron 3 commander Lt. Col. Ian Fuady. The flight will take turn to assign some jets to patrol over Greater Jakarta during the conference. TNI's chief of staff Lt. Gen. Suryo Prabowo, who is also in charge as coordinator for security of the conference, said that the military also stand by combat jets and helicopters supported with radar equipment to detect possible threats to the security during the conference. thejakartapost | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Ven 20 Mai - 14:00 | |
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RI seeks to exchange planes with South Korea
Indonesia wants to exchange its medium transport CN-235 airplanes with South Korean T-50 Golden Eagle jet trainers in an attempt to promote local products overseas and boost cooperation between the two countries, top officials say.
Indonesian-made CN-235s have been sold to several countries in the world, including South Korea, as “military and surveillance vehicles”, said Amir Sambodo, special staff for the Coordinating Economic Minister. “There have been talks that if Indonesia buys T-50s, there will be compensation for Korea to purchase CN-235s,” Amir told reporters at the Indonesia-South Korea bilateral meeting at the Westin Resort in Nusa Dua, Bali, on Thursday. Indonesia, he added, may have the potential to sell two or four more CN-235 planes to South Korea. “This needs to be increased to mutually benefit both countries. If South Korea is good at trainer jets, we are strong in transport aircraft, so this is win-win cooperation.” The CN-235, introduced in 1988, is a medium-range twin-engine transport plane that was jointly developed by CASA of Spain and the Indonesian state aircraft maker, then PT Industri Pesawat Terbang Nusantara (IPTN) and currently known as PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI). The aircraft’s primary military roles include maritime patrol, surveillance and air transport, with the largest user being Turkey, which has 61 aircraft, followed by South Korea as well as Spain and Indonesia. The T-50, the first supersonic aircraft made by South Korea and one of the world’s few supersonic trainers, is an advanced trainer and multirole light fighter developed by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) beginning in the late 1990s. Amir’s statements came after Indonesia’s Coordinating Economic Minister, Hatta Rajasa, said in his opening remarks at the bilateral meeting that he expected Seoul to procure more CN-235 planes. “I have been informed by my colleague that Korea uses Indonesia’s CN-235 aircraft and I hope to see more of our aircraft flying over Korean skies in the years to come,” he said, adding that South Korea “has expressed interest in adding more CN-235 planes”. The Republic of Korea’s Air Force (ROKAF) has purchased 20 CN-235 aircraft, 12 of which were built by CASA in Spain and the remaining eight by Dirgantara Indonesia. In addition to transport airplanes, ROKAF also uses CN-235s as VVIP aircraft for the country’s leaders. The plane is also used by countries throughout the world, including, among others, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, France, Ireland, Malaysia, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and the United States. “Our planes are better than CASA’s, so the Koreans are eager to use the Indonesian planes. In my opening remarks, I sent a signal for Korea to deploy more CN-235 planes,” Hatta said when asked by reporters after the bilateral meeting. PT DI is currently working on four CN-235-110 MPAs for the South Korean Coast Guard in a contract worth US$96 million. thejakartapost | |
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T-50 Golden Eagle of Korea Aerospace Industries | By Lee Tae-hoon
Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) signed a contract Wednesday to export its T-50 trainer jets to Indonesia, an official of the state-run aircraft maker said.
“Korea has signed a $400 million deal to export 16 T-50s,” Lee Kyung-ho, a spokesman of KAI said, noting that this is the first time for the country to export supersonic jets.
He said KAI will deliver 16 T-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer jets by 2013.
On April 12, Indonesia selected KAI as the preferred bidder for its trainer jet program over Russian’s Yakovlev Yak-130 and the Czech Republic’s Aero Vodochody L-159, the two other finalists in the competition.
Italy’s M-346, which defeated the T-50 in trainer jet acquisition deals in the United Arab Emirates in 2009 and Singapore in 2010, was disqualified from the competition in the first round of assessments in May last year.
The export of the T-50 was briefly thrown into question when Korean intelligence officials allegedly broke into the hotel room of a visiting Indonesian delegation in Seoul on Feb. 16.
Observers say that the deal will have positive effects on the country's efforts to export the aircraft to other nations, including Israel, the United States, Poland, India and the United Arab Emirates.
They say the strategic importance and close bilateral ties between Korea and Indonesia played a role in the decision-making process.
Indonesia and Korea are working together to jointly develop a new fighter.
Korea first unveiled the T-50 in 2005, becoming the world’s 12th supersonic jet producer. |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Sam 28 Mai - 12:36 | |
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La marine indonésienne a besoin de 10 sous-marins pour protéger le pays
Un responsable de la marine indonésienne a déclaré qu’il fallait au moins 10 sous-marins pour protéger la totalité du territoire maritime du pays.
« Avec 10 sous-marins à notre disposition, nous pourrions en envoyer 3 en patrouille à l’est, l’ouest et au centre du pays, pendant que 3 autres seraient disponibles pour les remplacer au pied levé, et que le reste serait utilisé pour la formation, » a déclaré dimanche le responsable de l’équipement de la marine, l’amiral Susilo. A ce jour, la marine indonésienne dispose de 2 sous-marins : le KRI Nenggala et le KRI Cakra. Ce dernier est actuellement en entretien, ne laissant que le KRI Nenggala pour protéger tout le pays. Susilo a rappelé que le gouvernement prévoyait d’acheter 2 autres sous-marins dans un proche avenir, dans le cadre de son projet de constituer une escadrille complète de sous-marins. Jakarta Post _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Ven 10 Juin - 0:22 | |
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- Embraer’s sale of eight Super Tucano light attack and advanced training turboprops to the Indonesian Air Force is now in effect. The Company was declared the winner of a bidding competition held by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, in November 2010. Since then, several administrative phases have been completed, culminating in the finished contract, which includes ground support stations and an integrated logistics package. Deliveries begin in 2012.
“This contract represents a bold step for the Super Tucano footprint in the World,” said Orlando José Ferreira Neto, Commercial Senior Vice President Embraer Defense and Security. “We welcome the Indonesian Air Force as the newest operator of an Embraer Defense and Security product, and they will be served and satisfied with the same excellence, quality and efficiency that extended to all customers.”
The Indonesian government chose the flexible Super Tucano to substitute other aircraft and to perform a broad range of missions, including light attack, surveillance, air-to-air interception, and counter insurgence. This is a mature and proven aircraft that has flown more than 120,000 hours with outstanding efficiency and reliability.
The super Tucano is equipped with the most recent electronic/optical/infrared and laser technology, secure radios with datalink communications, and unmatched weaponry, making it a highly dependable and cost-effective aircraft for a broad range of military missions, even from unpaved runways. defpro | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Mar 14 Juin - 11:17 | |
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Force to Boost Arsenal With Transport Craft
The Air Force announced on Sunday that it would add five more C-130 Hercules transports to its fleet over the next two years.
Admiral Imam Sufaat, the Air Force chief of staff, said the new additions would be among the nine such aircraft to be procured over the next few years.
“Once we get the nine C-130s, the Air Force will have 30 units of this plane,” he said.
The fleet will consist of two C-130s used as refueling planes, two outfitted to carry VIPs and 26 to transport troops.
Air Force spokesman First Adm. Bambang Samoedro said the service could be getting the planes from several countries by 2014.
“The countries that have offered us the planes are the United States, Norway and Australia,” he said.
“We are currently in the process of looking at the whether to get them through a grant or a soft loan, because this is strongly related to the country’s budget.”
The United States offered a fleet of six C-130Es for delivery in 2012 at a special discount. The planes were initially offered to other Asian and African governments but the orders never came to fruition.
The Norwegian government also offered to sell four used C-130Hs to Indonesia at a cost of $66 million. Under the terms of the deal, the Norwegian government would recondition the planes at its own cost before selling them to Indonesia.
A third bid came from Australia, which offered a fleet of six C-130Js for immediate delivery.
Imam said that in addition to purchasing the transports, the Air Force was also waiting for the United States to approve the sale of 24 used F-16C/D fighter jets to the Indonesian Armed Forces.
The F-16s had been offered as a grant, but the deal must be approved by US lawmakers.
“We hope we can get the approval from the Congress soon so that so we can sign the contract within this year,” Imam said.
He added that if the agreement could be finalized before the end of the year, Indonesia would get the first eight fighters in 2012 to help boost the nation’s squadrons .
Additional reporting by Antara
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Mar 5 Juil - 11:28 | |
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Indonesian Air Force to Receive Super Tocano Aircraft Next Year
The Indonesian Air Force will receive the first four Super Tucano aircraft in March next year, air force spokesman First Marshall Bambang Samoedro has said. "These four Tucanoes will be placed at the Abdulrahman Saleh Air Force base in Malang, East Java. We could use this aircraft to go to places that are almost unreachable by others," he added. The aircraft purchase is part of plans for a squadron of 16 Super Tucano warplanes to replace the OV-10 Bronco aircraft. The Jakarta Post has also reported Indonesian Air Force Colonel Chandra Siahaan as saying that the turboprop-driven aircraft were crucial to safeguarding the whole region. Currently, the service is equipped with the Sukhoi squadron, US-built F-16 Falcon fighter jets and F-5 Tiger bombers squadron, two squadrons of UK-made training Sky-Hawks and Hawk bombing jets.
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| The Indonesian ships KRI Diponegoro (365) (left) and KRI Slamet Riyadi (352)- Spoiler:
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne Sam 16 Juil - 17:13 | |
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- Indonésie-Corée du Sud KFX Coopération: La deuxième meilleure option?
Indonesia and South Korea are getting ready to sign an MoU on the joint-development of a KFX fighter jet program (dubbed Boramae) later this year, following a letter of intent in March 2009 on Indonesian participation in a KFX study. When enacted, the MOU will provide a breakthrough for both countries in terms of bilateral defense collaboration and aircraft technology indigenization.
The defense community and members of parliament believe that the cooperation will help the revitalization of the Indonesian defense industry. MPs urged the government to conduct a feasibility test before embarking on a US$2 billion venture that spans across an eight-year period. It is expected from the collaboration that five prototypes will be built before 2020.
Approximately 200+ aircraft will be manufactured for both the Indonesian and Korean Air Force. Surely there is a sense of pride creeping into every Indonesian’s minds knowing that the biggest Muslim country in the world is going to carry on an indigenize a fighter jet program, debunking the myth that only technologically advanced countries can achieve this.
Indeed, the cooperation will not only allow Indonesia to access the so-called 4.5th generation fighter jet technology, but also help South Korea preserve the bloodline for an indigenous fighter jet program since they can only afford 60 percent of the necessitate fund.
But before we indulge in a techno-nationalism fantasy, several imminent issues need to be pondered. Sarcastic remarks as to why Indonesia uses a jet fighter project as sustenance for the aerospace industry when the capacity of the Indonesian Aerospace is still limited to transport aircraft and helicopter, will inevitably raise.
Therefore, it is important to answer basic questions such as what the “indigenize fighter jet program” means in reality and how this will help revitalize the defense industry. There is also an urgency to shed some light upon the KFX program and whether it fits into the Indonesian strategic and defense-industrial interests.
The first issue is the technical and fiscal feasibility of the KFX project. The controversial project was initiated in 2001, with an estimated cost of $13 billion for the production of 120 aircraft, and has not progressed from a feasibility study since. It is acknowledged that South Korea is lacking both in technical and fiscal abilities to kick start the program, with the Korean Aerospace Industry (KAI) as a prime contractor possessing only 63 percent of technological capability needed.
Established through a merger of three companies in 1999, KAI has a modest experience of developing the indigenous KT-1 Wong Bee trainer, license-producing F-16K and joint-developing T-50 advanced trainer as well as making parts for F-15 (forward fuselage and wings).
It does not have an extensive track record as it exports only the KT-1 trainer to Indonesia and Turkey, and is still unable to sell a single T-50 advanced trainer jet despite having been shortlisted for procurement in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Israel, Greece, Singapore and the US.
The second issue is the “sovereignty” of technology contained in the KFX and sustainability of in-service operation, since the KFX will be using subsystems such as engine and avionics from third countries that might present political complication for Indonesia. The KFX will be developed from T-50 Golden Eagle, a supersonic advance jet trainer jointly developed by KAI and the US Lockheed Martin, with the latter provided the avionics system, flight control and wings. In addition to the US, it is possible that Israel also contributes through an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar that will be built domestically in South Korea.
With the Korean Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) statement about the necessity to bring in international partner from big players such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin, EADS and Saab to help develop the KFX, obviously there will be further third country subsystems fitted into the KFX platform, which bring more complexities of supply in the future. Nevertheless, there is benefit, as Indonesia might be able to absorb world class knowledge through cooperation with those big aerospace companies and establish a position in the global supply chain.
The third issue is risk associated with developing new technology; among them are cost overruns, under performance and delay. Under the MOU, Indonesia will bear 20 percent of the initial budget worth $8 billion, but the real cost can easily stretch out along the process. The risks of cost overruns and delay have taken place in similar collaborations such as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) and the Eurofighter.
The JSF cost overrun is almost double its initial estimated price within 10 years of project (2001-2010), whereas the Eurofighter experienced cost overrun and “eternal delay” so bad that the participating countries decided to cut down the amount of aircraft order. Indonesia needs to be clear on how flexible they can be in terms of accepting risks incurred from participation in the project and whether the risk will be worthy of being paid off.
The fourth issue is whether the KFX project will really help revitalize the Indonesian defense industry, through job creation, transfer of technology and creation of local supply chains. Jakarta needs to be articulate in the clearest way possible about the expectation of the economic benefits possibly derived from the project.
It is not clear yet as to which model of work share is to be employed, whether it is juste retour (just return) or earned work shares (participation based on demonstrated competencies), or will Jakarta only access the know-how without participating in the production line (which is nearly impossible).
For the sake of comparison, the Eurofighter project helps create 30,000 jobs across Europe. However, with a cost at $45-50 million per copy, it sees limited prospect of export when facing competition from the JSF and Gripen, not to mention competing Russian and Chinese products in the non-European market.
Aviation Week estimated the break-even-point of the KFX will be reached with production of at least 200-250 aircraft, and it is only if the unit price of each copy can be pushed down to $41 million that makes it possible for export. If Indonesia were to order around 50 aircraft, it is possible to negotiate 20-25 percent of total work-share based on “juste retour” principle, and this will materialize in a significant number of jobs. Without export, however, the long-term economic benefits will likely demise once the project completes.
Experts share doubt whether the KFX can really offer the cutting-edge technology as offered by 5th Generation fighters such as the JSF and the Indo-Russian PAKFA in 2020s, which means in terms of strategic calculation, the KFX may not be the best option to fight with a more technologically advanced enemy.
Facing the 5th G fighter jet race from China, Japan, and Indo-Russia, the South Korean government has a difficult time calculating a trade-off between strategic and industrial interest, between building an indigenous fighter or buy best off-the-shelf (OTS) available on the market. Indonesia may not face a similar dilemma as there is no imminent 5th G fighter race with neighboring countries, but it does not mean that Jakarta do not need to explore another value for the money option.
Another possibility of using defense acquisition as industrial policy tool is using an offsets obligation to accompany the OTS procurement. Alternatively, $2 billion will enable Indonesia to get more than a squadron of cutting-edge OTS technology. Neither joint-development nor procuring OTS will give sovereignty of supply, but the OTS does not only give the advantage of value for money because it bypasses the development cost, but it also ensures getting the attested technology that probably would serve both defense-industrial and strategic interests better.
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Mar 26 Juil - 10:50 | |
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Indonesian Navy May Import Korean Submarines
Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME) may be selected for the $1.08bn Indonesian submarine project.
Upon selection, the Korean shipbuilder will sell three 1,200t 209 Class submarines to Indonesia surpassing competitors from Germany, France and Russia to win the contract.
The Chosun Ilbo quoted a senior government official as saying Daewoo would be selected for the project.
"There still are some more processes to follow, but the deal will be struck, unless something comes up," the official added.
The 64.4m-long 209 Class South Korean submarines has a submerged speed of 22.5kt and can be armed with 28 mines.
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Thirty Indonesian officers and senior sergeants have taken part in the annual Junior Officer Combat Instructor Training (JOCIT) course in July. This is part of a greater initiative by the ADF to support peackeeping training and initiatives for Indonesian soldiers. The 17 day course, tailored for the Indonesians, teaches methods of instruction for peacekeeping in, urban operation drills, counter IED training and ground sign awareness to improve IED detection. The course, run by the Army Combat Training Centre, was conducted at the Tully jungle training establishment, with a three day activity in the Townsville field training area. Indonesian soldiers and their Australian Army mentors conduct an urban operations exercise at the Townsville field training area. Indonesian soldiers conduct the urban operations phase of the Junior Officer Combat Instructor Training (JOCIT) course. Indonesian soldiers conduct the urban operations phase of the Junior Officer Combat Instructor Training (JOCIT) course. Indonesian Captain Amaraldo Cornelius leads his men into a room clearance exercise at the Townsville field training area. Indonesian soldiers and their Australian Army mentors conduct an urban operations exercise at the Townsville field training area.
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Dim 14 Aoû - 19:19 | |
| KRI Frans Kaisiepo ( 368 ) au port d'Antalya en Turquie le 11-03-11. La présence de ce Sigma9113 de la marine indonésienne entre dans le cadre de sa participation aux opérations navales de la FINUL, il a remplacé le KRI Diponegoro ( 365 ). _________________ | |
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| KRI Nanggala ( 402 ) à Surabaya, été 2006. L'indonésie, était un pion majeur dans l'obssession tsariste et puis soviétique pour accéder aux mers chaudes ... entre 1950, date de proclamation de l'etat unitaire d'Indonésie, et 1965, profitant de son rapprochement de l'URSS, l'Indonésie a reçu pas moins de 12 Projet 613 Whiskey, avec 2 autres pour les spares. L'indonésie changa vite d'orientation ! En 1965 le Général Suharato renversa Sukarno, dans un coup d'Etat qui mettra fin aux relation avec l'URSS ... Suharato se tourna vers l'Occident, qui devient le principal fournisseur d'armement pour l'Indonésie. Dans ce cadre et en 1977, l'Indonésie passe une commande pour 2 U209/1300, qui formeront après leur ASA en 1981, la classe Cakra ( KRI Cakra ( 401 ) et KRI Nanggala ( 402 ) ). Au cours de leur service ils ont été immoblisé 3 fois pour des travaux de modernisation dont la dernière a pris fin en 2007 chez les chantiers de Daewoo au Corée du Sud. l'Achat de 2 autres unités était prévus au milieu des années 90, puis annulé au profit d'une reprise de 5 U206 allemand, qui sera interrompu à cause de la crise dans le pays en 1997. Depuis 2007, les annonces concernant l'Achat de SM par la TNI-AL se sont multiplées, la signature d'un contrat pour la livraison de 2 Kilo a été annulé à la dernière minute pour des raisons inconnus, les chantiers européens ont été intéressé par le marché, puis la TNI-AL compte se doter de pas de 12 SM d'ici 2024. La dérnière annonce fait référence à un probable achat de 3 U209 neufs chez les coréens, la Corée qui avait déjà porposé un e ces U209 en échange de 19 CN235 indonésien ... cet accord n'a pas connu de suite. La Corée de Sud est entrain de se transformer en un fournisseur important d'armement pour la TNI, au courant du mois de May, un commande est passée pour la livraison d'un 20aine de T50 pour l'armée de l'air. Les relations avec la TNI-AL ne sont pas moins importante, et datent déjà en 1980, date de livraison des patrouilleur de la classe Mandau. Les chantiers coréens participent dans la majorité des programmes de construction navals indonésiens. Pour ces raisons, la dernière annonce semble être crédible et réaliste. _________________ | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Mer 24 Aoû - 21:56 | |
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| Sujet: Re: Armée Indonésienne / Indonesian National Armed Forces / Tentara Nasional Indonesia Ven 26 Aoû - 14:22 | |
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- L'Indonésie reçoit six hélicoptères MI 17 de Russie
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