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 | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale  Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:15 | |
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- Je ne comprends pas le carton rouge alors que je confirme que le pod Litening a déjà été intégré sur les Mirage 2000 indiens, est-il possible de me donner une explication?
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- The Israeli targeting pod was procured by14 air forces, including the US Air Force Reserve's and Air National Guards for their F-16 Block 25/30/32 Fighting Falcon. Other air forces operating the system include the US Marine Corps (AV-8B), Israeli air Force (F-16), Spanish and Italian Navy (AV-8B) and Spanish air force (F/A-18), German Air Force (Tornado IDS), and the Venezuela (F-16A/B). The pods were also selected for South Africa’s Grippens, India’s Mirage 2000, MiG-27 and Jaguar.
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:16 | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:21 | |
| C est moi qui ai du te mettre le moins Le forum marche mal sous iPad ça bug terrible, donc précipitation =erreur Mais bon pour la partie sur de Gaulle, le moins était mérité, tu ne pense pas  | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:26 | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:29 | |
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- Si tu le dis.
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 25 Fév 2012 - 23:36 | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mar 28 Fév 2012 - 17:02 | |
| France24, feb 28: video report on the Rafale in India
http://www.france24.com/fr/20120228-inde-choisit-le-rafale-le-marathon-ne-fait-que-commencer
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 2:29 | |
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UAE Air Force, BAE Systems and Eurofighter deal
The British side is said to have recently intensified contacts with the UAE Air Force (UAEAF) on a deal for the Eurofighter Typhoon. The following 440-word report sheds light on these contacts and tells what about the position of Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces General Sheikh Mohammad Bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 8:23 | |
| SI les EAU font tourner en bourrique les ANglais aussi .....ou va le monde......  | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 8:59 | |
| Ces gars là sont des experts, ils vont finir par demander de l'argent aux avionneurs pour faire voler leurs avions sous la cocarde des EAU. | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 11:40 | |
| Nico veut absolument que les choses se passent bien avant le mois d'avril appremment ... - Citation :
Rafale : Nicolas Sarkozy pourrait se déplacer à Abu Dhabi en mars pour signer le contrat
Un projet de visite du Chef de l'Etat aux Emirats arabes unis est en cours de planification pour mars. Si ce voyage était confirmé, Dassault Aviation signerait la vente de 60 Rafale et son premier contrat à l'exportation pour le dernier né des avions de combat français. http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/20120228trib000685469/rafale-nicolas-sarkozy-pourrait-se-deplacer-a-abu-dhabi-en-mars-pour-signer-le-contrat.html et puisque les articles de ce journal sont devenu payant ... voilà une version anglaise donc - Spoiler:
Rafale: Nicolas Sarkozy could travel to Abu Dhabi in March to sign the contract
La Tribune, Feb 29
A proposed visit of the Head of State in the UAE is being planned for March. If the trip is confirmed, Dassault Aviation will sign the sale of 60 Rafale and its first export contract for the newest French combat aircraft.
The Rafale landing in Abu Dhabi takes shape. Reportedly, a visit of Nicolas Sarkozy to the United Arab Emirates (UAE), still in draft form, could be organized in March, confide to "La Tribune" several sources. If the trip is confirmed, the sale of 60 Rafale would be acquired
But at this stage, all stakeholders, whether from state or industry, remain extremely cautious on this issue. Because "six months ago, they would not bet a penny on a settlement in 2012,". Even less in November during the Dubai Airshow, where Franco-Emirati relations have been strained, putting Abu Dhabi on track Eurofighter (EADS, BAE Systems and Finmeccanica) to the biggest surprise of Paris.A visit of Nicolas Sarkozy had even been scheduled for 12 February in Abu Dhabi, but was finally postponed. It is planned for March, a good omen for a sale of a sophisticated weapon system.
Only Sheikh Mohammed green light left
Everyone is now awaiting the green light of the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed. Because he and he alone will decide when he will sign this contract. regardless of pressure from Paris and Sarkozy. " 'When' is the question that everyone asks," says a source contacted by "The Tribune". One thing is sure, the relationship has completely relaxed between Paris and Abu Dhabi since the tension of November. And visits are frequent and regular, the CEO of Dassault Aviation, Charles Edelstenne, and its director of international affairs, Eric Trappier, were still there early in the week.
Agreement in principle about the Mirage 2000-9
What could Sheikh Mohammed decide to sign this contract before the French presidential election? While the technical negotiations are over, Abu Dhabi would be tempted to give a "high five" at a reasonable price, with the current team to secure promises from Paris, one says to "La Tribune". Especially about a reassessment of defense agreements between France and the UAE in case of Iranian aggression and also about the Mirage 2000-9.
According to a source familiar with the matter, an agreement in principle was given by Paris to find a base for 62 Mirage 2000-9. It evokes Libya once the country will be stabilized. In fact, there is no hurry. Deliveries of the first Rafale will occur at best in 2015 and the establishment of a squadron a year or two later. Without taking onto account the training of UAE pilots to the most advanced standard of the Rafale. So , this is "around 2017 or 2018 that the UAE will no longer need their Mirage 2000-9," says a good observer. And their prices will decline significantly as the first were ordered in 1983 although they were subsequently modernized (Mirage 2000-9).
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 13:46 | |
| Ouhhhhhhh,cela s'agite ,avant le mois d'avril ,hum..........Nicolas 1er a une petit idée derriere la téte  La contrepartie a l'achat de Rafale (a part la reprise des 2000-9) ce serait quoi  (surtout avant les présidentielle). | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 19:52 | |
| les Brésiliens et les EAU pour le Rafale,je ne saute pas de joie mais reste prudent. Mais comme le dit la chanson.........c'est bon pour le moral ,c'est bon pour le moral.....  .........Désolé  | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 20:28 | |
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C'est 1 super bonne nouvelle...
Aprés tous les déboires du Rafale, ce serait 1 belle revanche. C'est quand même presque 250 appareils.
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mer 29 Fév 2012 - 20:39 | |
| transferé,continuons ici gentlemen  esperons que ce noeud se resoud pour voir le Rafale s´exporter a 222 d´un coup si tout va bien,par domino effect _________________  | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Jeu 1 Mar 2012 - 3:50 | |
| si sa marche bien faudra s'attendre d'ici quelque année a d'autre contrat au maghrébe surtout lybie et maroc _________________  Pro rege, saepe, pro patria semper اقسم بالله العظيم ان اكون مخلصا لله و لملكي و ان اتفانى في خدمة وطني و دفع كل خطر يهدده و ان انفد اوامرقائدي الاعلى صاحب الجلالة | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Ven 2 Mar 2012 - 23:01 | |
| Le Rafale peut tout faire ,meme dezingué de l'alien..........  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRAbpjbvrlY | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Ven 2 Mar 2012 - 23:51 | |
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- Le Brésil mécontent de l'annulation par les Etats-Unis de l'achat de 20 avions
Source : https://www.cdgcapitalbourse.ma/bourse/detailactualite/2614105 Je pense que c'est tout bon pour le rafale au Brésil. Suite à cette annonce, je doute que les brésiliens prennent un avion US. | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 3:06 | |
| bien vu Othmane,c´est plutot les US qui ont reagit a leur maniere,apres que les bresiliens ont montré leur determination de suivre les indiens,le contrat des super tucano pour les afghans a ete tout simplement revu pour "faute",ce qui me rappel l´affaire des tanker que les europeens ont gagné avant de recevoir une douche froide apres protestations du lobby conccurent.
mtn le rafale a le chemin degagé pour le finish(mais je pense aux coups tordus qui viendront apres,avec la 4eme flotte au coin..) _________________ | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 13:27 | |
| La réactivation de la 4ème flotte est plutôt en faveur du choix du rafale.
Pour prendre un avion US, il faut que les relations soient complètement apaisées entre les 2 parties. Ce que la présence de la 4ème ne favorise pas.
Les US perdant du terrain sur le jeu qu'ils ont mis en place (hyper-compétitivité au niveau mondial) sont tentés d'utiliser leur atout majeur (la puissance militaire) pour détourner les règles à leur volonté. Les pays d’Amérique du sud n'ont le choix que de se préparer à toute éventualité et ça commence par le choix d'équipements militaires "capables de contrecarrer la menace" .
Sur tous les aspects, le brésil a intérêt à prendre l'avion européen le moins dépendant en terme de composants US. Le Rafale s'impose comme le meilleur choix à mon avis. Et en effet, la déclaration US conforte cette hypothèse. | |
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mar 6 Mar 2012 - 10:43 | |
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MoD raises objections over Rafale’s lifecycle cost
Chandan Nandy and Chethan Kumar, Bangalore, March 5, 2012, DHNS:
Date by which contract could be signed may be pushed back
Less than two months after the Indian Air Force (IAF) chose the French Rafale fighter jet for its medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) project, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has raised objections over its lifecycle cost, thereby pushing back the date by which the contract could be signed with the manufacturers, Dassault Aviation.
Top IAF sources said the two MoD members on the Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) have questioned the low lifecycle cost that was earlier worked out in respect of the Rafale which was chosen over the Eurofighter Typhoon for the Air Force’s MMRCA programme that envisages supply from Dassault 126 aircraft for a massive $20 billion, the largest open tender military aviation deal in the world.
The sources said that the “differences” that have cropped up among the CNC members are centred around the Rafale’s lifecycle cost which the MoD representatives have declared to be far less than what it should be.
“There is no unanimity among the CNC members... and failing a unanimous decision, the Rafale acquisition could well get pushed back,” sources said. While the maintenance cost of a Saab-Gripen single engine aircraft is over $3,000 per hour, that of the far superior Rafale could be estimated to be much higher.
The MoD representatives’ assessment that a Rafale’s lifecycle cost should be higher appears to have stemmed from the defence establishment’s historical reliance on Russian aircraft. According to sources, the MoD officials on the CNC are “not satisfied” with the lower assessment of the lifecycle cost.
The MoD’s disagreement with other CNC members comes at a time when the committee will also have to review other “items” involving the Rafale, including the cost of air frame, engine, avionics, weapons system and spare parts support among others. It is learnt that the MoD representatives raised their objections some time after the commercial bids were opened and continued to object to the low computation of a Rafale aircraft’s lifecycle cost in some recent meetings of the CNC.
The MoD’s maximalist stand is baffling especially after the government recently advised the armed forces to prioritise their capital acquisitions because 70 per cent of funds remain committed to approved purchases. In a situation where only 30 per cent of the available funds are left for purchases, the armed forces have been told “not to push for every deal.”
In this context, IAF sources said that with the Air Force’s immediate requirements for jet trainers, new engines for its fleet of Jaguar fighters and heavy and light helicopters as support for ground troops, to pay for the Rafale deal, if the contract has to be signed four to five months from now, “would be a tall order.”
Dassault is in the process starting discussions with the vendors to get more clarity on the various offset possibilities and a final proposal on the same is expected to be completed by April-May. The company expects the finalisation of the award by the end of this year.
But a less optimistic senior defence ministry source said that “the 30 per cent funds corpus will not allow accommodating the MMRCA and the funds constraint will leave a big question mark over the fate of the deal,” adding that the contract signing stage with Dassault Aviation is “far away”.
When contacted over phone, MoD official spokesman Sitangshu Kar said, “Everything is progressing smoothly. However, I do not have an update over the developments related to the MMRCA over the last fortnight or so.”
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mar 6 Mar 2012 - 15:51 | |
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India, Dassault enter final MMRCA negotiations
FlightGlobal , March 6
India has confirmed that final negotiations with Dassault for 126 Rafale fighters have commenced, and that the Indian air force plans to phase out its Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft from 2014.
The defence ministry says final talks are now under way with Dassault, which in early February secured so-called "L1 vendor" status, denoting that it was the lowest-price-compliant bidder for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.
A defence ministry official also dismissed as false a report in an Indian publication that quoted unnamed sources as saying it had raised concerns about calculations pertaining to the Rafale's life-cycle costs.
Achieving L1 status allows Dassault to conduct final negotiations for the deal with India's Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC). A CNC is comprised of a defence programme's key stakeholders, and in the case of MMRCA is likely to include organisations such as the air force and Hindustan Aeronautics, which will build 108 of the aircraft domestically.
Once launched, negotiations between the CNC and Dassault could take between six months and one year to complete, according to an industry source.
Analysts have estimated the value of the MMRCA contest as ranging between $10 billion and $20 billion. The Rafale's original rivals for the requirement were the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen NG. All but the Rafale and Typhoon were eliminated in April 2011.
The defence ministry source says India will begin phasing out its MiG-21s from 2014. While popular among experienced pilots, the MiG-21s in air force service have suffered from obsolescence problems as well as a number of fatal accidents in recent years
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| | Sujet: Re: Le Rafale Mar 6 Mar 2012 - 19:25 | |
| ont peut dire que l'affaire roule alors | |
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