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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Ven 6 Juin - 11:01
seemann a écrit:
Hello,
Spoiler:
I’m journalist from Poland and I‘m writing an article about F-5 Tiger modernisation worldwide. I have some troubles about getting some reliable information about Moroccan F-5 upgrade. Many misleading/unconfirmed information were published at last years in the press and internet. I want to make some fact straight, and have some questions. I’m not asking about classified data, like combat device modes. Just some general info about types of device used on Moroccan fighters.
The radar: Many sources mentions FIAR Grifo-F radar (or Grifo F/X Plus designation , probably that mean the same device: Grifo-F with X-band beam), but I have read on this forum it could be Grifo-M designed for Mirage fighter. I most applications (for example Brazilian and Singapore upgrades) Grifo-F don’t fit well into the F-5E nose, and heavily rebuilt is necessary, including cut off the whole nose structure, removing one gun and fitting bigger nose cone for larger Grifo antenna. See this:
However, I can see on the photos that Moroccan F-5E retained old, small noses and both guns. How it possible? Sometimes in the press the EL/M-3032 radar is mentioned. This radar is used in Chilean fighters which retained both guns and original small nose cone. Really strange, isn’t?
The ECM devices: On early photos taken on the 1980-90 period I saw provisional RWR device painted on white and installed on the fin. It was AN/ALR-66? On the last pictured fighters I identified DM/A-104 RWR antennas - the same as on Chilean F-5. This is a part of EWPS-100 system, which cooperates with DM/A-401 jammer and DM/A-202 flare/dipoles dispenser. Did Moroccan fighters got the jammers and flare dispensers?
The weapon: I have read on this forum Moroccan F-5 were integrated with new weapon: Sidewinder, Python 3/4/5 and wired for MICA missiles. But pictures confirms AIM-9 only. Did the other rockets ever tested on Moroccan F-5? I suppose there is no rails for MICA at all...
Guided weapons: Some pictures F-5 with Litening laser pod surfaced, but how about bomb types used in Royal Moroccan Air Force? I know Paveway bombs were bought for F-16, and F-5 can carry them probably but I need confirmation. Some press sources says that Israeli Lizard bomb also can be used, but I have no information, if they really are on RMAF inventory.
And the last but not least. There is 30 F-5E/F on the RMAF strength currently and 24 F-5E + 4 F-5F were upgraded. Right?
Sorry, but I don’t speak French, however I can read your post using Google translator.
Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Mar 22 Déc - 20:28
j'ai des questions sur nos F5 est ce qu'on a les delilah vraiment ? ou nos avions sont juste cablés pour les emporter si on les posséde quel est le nombre ? merci d'avance
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Dim 4 Fév - 17:24
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Ven 21 Fév - 13:13
Hello !
I m scale modeller and preparing photos for making my 1/32 F-5E Tiger in Morocco scheme, i love it !
I would like ask you few thinks, can you help me ?
1.) how looks cockpit of Tiger III ? I cannot find it, not at this forum, not on internet. Can you share it ? 2.) Do you have pictures of "50617" ? I found some on internet from show 2014 and nothing more. And i read, that this aircraft was not upgraded. Is it correct ?
Thank you very much for your help !
Pepa
Sorry that i do not speek french, i can use google translate, if it help
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Ven 21 Fév - 15:44
50617 upgradet
Moroccan Tiger III Cockpit
Look the HUD
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Lun 24 Fév - 10:34
Thank you very much !
Are here any F-5E without upgrade ?
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Lun 24 Fév - 13:49
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Thank you very much !
Are here any F-5E without upgrade ?
Ex USAF agressor
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Ven 13 Mai - 20:24
Citation :
Moroccan Air Force F-5 fighters to get Elbit Systems Delilah cruise missiles
Aviation Defense News May 2022 aerospace air force industry
POSTED ON FRIDAY, 13 MAY 2022 09:40
Morocco is seeking to purchase Israeli cruise missiles Delilah to enhance further its multi-layered defense capabilities, according to Defensa magazine echoed by the North Africa Post. The North African Kingdom has opened negotiations with Israeli Elbit Systems to get the Delilah missiles to arm its F-5 jets to upgrade these U.S.-made light fighters with advanced sensor systems and jamming systems, data links and a set of modern air-to-ground and air-to-air weapons.
The Delilah series of air-to-surface advanced loitering stand-off (S/O) missiles offers operational capabilities for long-range search, acquisition and precision attack of high-value moving, stationary or re-locatable targets. Delilah supports content target acquisition and high lethality with minimal collateral damage. With multi-waypoints autonomous navigation and guidance, advanced avionics, and a turbo-jet engine for long-range missions, the advanced attack missile features high maneuverability with cruise, loiter, attack and “go around” capabilities. Delilah HL is the helicopter-launched version of the combat-proven Delilah missile.
The missile features an advanced electro-optical (E/O) seeker for day/night and all-weather target discrimination, a cruise speed of Mach 0.5 to 0.7 and a maximum range of 250 km. Delilah and Delilah HL offer a preprogrammed mission with post-launch updates, and Man-in-the-Loop overrides capability for target selection and final attack approval that enables real-time, in-light target-of-opportunity designation for target acquisition and attack (re-attack), and battle damage assessment (BDA).
Royal Moroccan Air Force F-5 (Picture source: Wikipedia/Rocco DeFilippis, U.S. Marine Corps)
After the loss of nine F-5As during combat operations against the Polisario, 16 F-5Es and 4 F-5Fs were acquired in October 1979. The main problem that faced Moroccan fighter-bombers in Western Sahara was their insufficient range over the vast battlefield of the Sahara desert. To address it, in 1982, a Boeing 707-138B was fitted with Beech hose units at the wingtips for refueling. Two Lockheed KC-130Hs were also delivered, and all of the F-5Es were modified with aerial refueling probes.
Improvements to Moroccan Air Force's F-5A/Bs were realized with the installation of "Tiger II" avionics on, probably, 8 F-5A and 2 F-5B. A contract was stipulated with the French company SOGERMA at Bordeaux; all aircraft were received by 1998. From 2001 to 2004 the RMAF's F-5E/F received a full refurbishment and upgrade from SOGERMA. The upgrade improved the performance of the "Tiger II" to the level of the "Tiger III". The work carried up included: * new FIAR Grifo F/X Plus improved radar (similar in performance to the AN/APG-69) * Elettronica ELT/555 active Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) pods. * HOTAS (Hands-On Throttle And Stick) * New EWPS/-100 (DM/A-106) RWR * Cockpit Layout with new: - head-up display - Weapons Delivery and Navigation System MFD/WDNS - Multifunction displays The F-5E/F TIII acquired the capability to use new weapon systems such as Beyond Visual Range missiles and precise-guided weapons. RADA ACE ground debriefing station, a Simulator, and AN/AAQ-28(V) Litening targeting pods have also been purchased.
Moroccan Air Force F-5 fighters to get Elbit Systems Delilah cruise missiles (airrecognition.com)
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Lun 5 Déc - 17:46
C'est quand même impressionnant que le Maroc continue d'investir dans les F-5, alors que la plupart des pays qui les utilisent les mettent à la retraite. Mais c'est vrai que ça peut faire un bon avion de police du ciel ou d'appui-feu léger.
En voici :
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Lun 5 Déc - 18:32
Le F-5 c’est un excellent avion de combat. A titre perso je regrette tellement que le F-20 n’est pas vu le jour ! Il aurait eu toute sa place encore aujourd’hui.
On va le porter au standard T-4 Inch’Allah avec AESA viseur de casque etc. Il pourra faire un excellent intercepteur de SU et au Mig
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Lun 5 Déc - 18:46
Il est maniable, agile, léger, facile a entretenir a moindre cout, adapté a des conditions sommaire en combat tournoyant il est imbattable, voila pour les unités aggresor et Top Gun, le prennent. Il fait la misere au cadet de l'USAF et USNavy. Enfin c'est une plateforme ouverte qui est modernisable...regarder les Iraniens se qu'ils font avec.
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Mar 6 Déc - 11:04
De ce que je sais, c'est aussi un avion qui a naturellement une très faible signature radar, grâce à sa petite taille et sa finesse.
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Sujet: Re: F-5A/B/E et F des FRA / RMAF Northrop F-5 Tiger III Mar 17 Jan - 20:51
Sur le net on lis que nos F5 seront retaper, Israel était sur le coup d'apres les journaux arabes.
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