Diplomatie marocaine - Relations internationales

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Celle la ….. elle fait mal !

Pourtant Macron il avait bien caressé l’équivalent du mindef en Corse

Il n y a rien à rompre. Les intérêts de tous seront mieux servi en dialoguant et non pas détruisant les ponts bâtis. Nos intérêts doivent être toujours au premier plan

romh a écrit:

Ceux qui disent qu'on va annuler les accords se croie en 1967 vous dites n'importe quoi, le Roi a bien expliquer ses priorités : le Sahara Marocaine.

il n'y a pas que "annuler l'accord", on peut le suspendre et ca va faire un grande pression sur Israël, d'ailleurs nous avons un grand avantge nous qu'on signé l'accord d'abraham, c'est qu'on a une arme de pression forte sur israel. Oui on veut l'accord d'abraham, on n'a aucun problème with israel ni avec le parti gagnant d'élections, mais on a un problème avec Bibi et sa politique qui est la cause principale de ce qu'il arrive maintenant et qui est totalement contre la paix qui est le but principal de l'accord. donc on suspend l'accord et on va retourner quand vous virer ce criminel, en plus meme la majorité de la population israélienne sont contre ce criminel. Ca va être un coup dur pour natainyaho et ca va nous donner une position forte et majeur avec tout le monde et tout les parties et ca va meme être un avertissement sous la table au USA qui n'ont pas grands choses envers nous depuis la signature d'accord. Maintenant est ce que les autres pays qui font partie de l'accord d'abraham vont accepter de nous rejoindre si en fait ce grand pas ?! est ce qu'on a vraiment arrivé a un stade ou on a un poids pour réagir de cette manière ?! je sais pas

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

@Duneraider : Heck , the Saudis killed 18.000 Yemenis in airstrikes and no one blinked an eye in the whole arab and islamic world , so don’t care about their overreaction , luckily our diplomats don’t care about the opinions of some left-wing hipsters lost in pre-1991 or some neo-terrorists bearded idiots

elite17 a écrit:

@Duneraider : Heck , the Saudis killed 18.000 Yemenis in airstrikes and no one blinked an eye in the whole arab and islamic world , so don’t care about their overreaction , luckily our diplomats don’t care about the opinions of some left-wing hipsters lost in pre-1991 or some neo-terrorists bearded idiots

So is the whole thing used as a political tool for brownie points in the Arab/Muslim world?

Duneraider a écrit:

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.  

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

There is a big difference between a civil war in Syria and Yemen and something that appears like an agression of the West toward islamic-arabic world. Palestine represent one of the biggest injustice and an incredible hypocrisy of the West world that keep bullshiting us about human rights, self-determination, democracy, etc..., presenting themselves as morally superior than the rest of the world

Moreover Jerusalem has a special status, I don't think reactions would be the same if Israel was in Oman for example

elite17 a écrit:

@Duneraider : Heck , the Saudis killed 18.000 Yemenis in airstrikes and no one blinked an eye in the whole arab and islamic world , so don’t care about their overreaction , luckily our diplomats don’t care about the opinions of some left-wing hipsters lost in pre-1991 or some neo-terrorists bearded idiots

Some left wing hipsters ? Alors qu'il y a eu rien que cette nuit des manifestation à Tanger, Rabat, Casa, Fes, Marrakech et même des petites villes. Une manifestation monstre à Rabat il y a quelque jours ?

Je penses que c'est toi qui n'a rien avoir avec le peuple marocain que tu insultes d' "hipsters" et "neo-terroristes idiots".

Al-Qassam a écrit:

Duneraider a écrit:

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.  

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

There is a big difference between a civil war in Syria and Yemen and something that appears like an agression of the West toward islamic-arabic world. Palestine represent one of the biggest injustice and an incredible hypocrisy of the West world that keep bullshiting us about human rights, self-determination, democracy, etc..., presenting themselves as morally superior than the rest of the world

Moreover Jerusalem has a special status, I don't think reactions would be the same if Israel was in Oman for example

If i understand you correctly the palestinian struggle is the most important cause of the Arabs because of some Islamic teaching , that s understandable Al Aqsa hold a great significance for Muslims. But explain this, Russians and Iranians leveling entire syrian cities , and Russian deploying sarin gas on thousands of syrians is A-OK . Chinese enslaving milions of muslims is A-OK. That doesn't hold any significance for the Arabs?

What are you saying is that the life of a palistanian is more valuable for the arabs then the rest of the Muslims or more broadly other Humans .

Allah iahdikoum lorsque des marocains c’est à dire nous mourraient au Sahara lorsqu’on avait des milliers de veuves et d’orphelins lorsqu’on étaient presque des mendiants à cause de l’effort de guerre les autres ont suspendu leur relation avec l’Algérie la Syrie ou la Libye ? Allah iahdikoum allah iahdikoum mes interêt avant tout

felipe21 a écrit:

romh a écrit:

Ceux qui disent qu'on va annuler les accords se croie en 1967 vous dites n'importe quoi, le Roi a bien expliquer ses priorités : le Sahara Marocaine.

il n'y a pas que "annuler l'accord", on peut le suspendre et ca va faire un grande pression sur Israël, d'ailleurs nous avons un grand avantge nous qu'on signé l'accord d'abraham, c'est qu'on a une arme de pression forte sur israel. Oui on veut l'accord d'abraham, on n'a aucun problème with israel ni avec le parti gagnant d'élections, mais on a un problème avec Bibi et sa politique qui est la cause principale de ce qu'il arrive maintenant et qui est totalement contre la paix  qui est le but principal de l'accord. donc on suspend l'accord et on va retourner quand vous virer ce criminel, en plus meme la majorité de la population israélienne sont contre ce criminel. Ca va être un coup dur pour natainyaho et ca va nous donner une position forte et majeur avec tout le monde et tout les parties et ca va meme être un avertissement sous la table au USA qui n'ont pas grands choses envers nous depuis la signature d'accord. Maintenant est ce que les autres pays qui font partie de l'accord d'abraham vont accepter de nous rejoindre si en fait ce grand pas ?! est ce qu'on a vraiment arrivé a un stade ou on a un poids pour réagir de cette manière ?! je sais pas

Je comprends votre approche felipe mais Pourquoi on va faire quoi que ce soit on est pas obligé, ça commence à m'énerver vraiment ces trolls qui envahissent le forum, le Maroc ne va rien suspendre et ne va rien faire on est comme les autres et on a aucun engagement ou devoir envers qui que ce soit à part notre patrie et notre peuple basta celui qui veut se sacrifier qu'il le fait le visa pour le Liban ça coûte uniquement 900dh et moins de 300€ le billet allez y messieurs et foutez nous la paix

Al-Qassam a écrit:

Duneraider a écrit:

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.  

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

There is a big difference between a civil war in Syria and Yemen and something that appears like an agression of the West toward islamic-arabic world. Palestine represent one of the biggest injustice and an incredible hypocrisy of the West world that keep bullshiting us about human rights, self-determination, democracy, etc..., presenting themselves as morally superior than the rest of the world

Moreover Jerusalem has a special status, I don't think reactions would be the same if Israel was in Oman for example

The difference in treatment is due to years of panarabic efforts to make the Palestinian struggle as the struggle of all arab/Muslim countries, religious bias and atrocious acts by tsahal did not help either.... there is clearlya bias that I find perplexing as civilian casualties should trigger the same reaction if your prism is based of the principles of fairness, justice...

Freezing them is counterproductive indeed and breaking them would be lunatic to say the least. Those who make such calls bear in their hearts the interests of palestinians before the interests of his own country. The confusing part is what breaking/freezingthe Abraham accords bring the Palestinians concretely.

Shugan188 a écrit:

Al-Qassam a écrit:

Duneraider a écrit:

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.  

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

There is a big difference between a civil war in Syria and Yemen and something that appears like an agression of the West toward islamic-arabic world. Palestine represent one of the biggest injustice and an incredible hypocrisy of the West world that keep bullshiting us about human rights, self-determination, democracy, etc..., presenting themselves as morally superior than the rest of the world

Moreover Jerusalem has a special status, I don't think reactions would be the same if Israel was in Oman for example

If i understand you correctly  the palestinian struggle is the  most important cause of the Arabs because of some Islamic teaching  , that s understandable Al Aqsa hold a great significance for Muslims.   But explain this,  Russians and Iranians  leveling entire syrian cities , and Russian deploying sarin gas on  thousands of syrians  is A-OK . Chinese enslaving milions of muslims is A-OK. That doesn't hold   any significance for the Arabs?

What are you saying is that the life of a  palistanian is more valuable for the arabs then the rest of the Muslims or more broadly other Humans .

I'm not saying this, you're trying to make me saying things I didn't

This isn't even about religion, I'm far from being religious. It's about what this conflict symbolize. This is not comparable with more complicated internal problems in China, Russia or Syria. Of course war is always awful and we can disagree with the way they handle their minorities (and the problems those minorities might cause). Yes they sometimes get involved in arabs conflicts, civil war, trying to take advantage, but they aren't directly the cause of the conflict.

Even when USA destroyed Irak the reactions weren't this intense. But yes the israel-palestinian conflict hold a special place in the unconscious of the muslim world.

It might be cynical but it's not even about the number of deaths or suffering, but about the symbol. Palestine symbolize the oppression of the arab-muslims world by the hypocritical West in the eye of a large amount of muslims, even just "cultural" muslims (people from muslim background so to say). Other arabs conflicts are just wars between arabs, they always have fought each other

| Yedioth Ahronoth : Le ministère israélien des Affaires étrangères évacue le personnel de ses ambassades au Maroc et en Égypte en raison des manifestations de colère contre la situation à Gaza.

elite17 a écrit:

| Yedioth Ahronoth : Le ministère israélien des Affaires étrangères évacue le personnel de ses ambassades au Maroc et en Égypte en raison des manifestations de colère contre la situation à Gaza.

https://x.com/aja_egypt/status/1714620153793597802?s=46&t=qYiNwrtc2-LyNoCLuUIqQw

Parfait, il nous évite ainsi de prendre une lourde décision.

Très sage de leur part !

Al-Qassam a écrit:

Duneraider a écrit:

Genuine couple questions I have been asking around, but I hope the friends here will be answering it. I have been surprised by the Muslim reaction whenever Palestine is attacked. Not the condemnation or protesting, that part is happening outside of Muslim countries, but the extent of the reaction and sometimes the intensity of it compared to other times when Muslims were oppressed, for example, Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Chechnya, and Afghanistan. The deaths in Iraq or Yemen for example are magnitudes bigger than the deaths in Palestine for years but the reactions were never nearly that big. Is there a reason for that? like a religious reason or a social one? or is there a deeper meaning to it?

The second question is about the Abraham Accords, wouldn't freezing them or canceling them backfire on Morocco? wasn't establishing official relations with Israel the counterpart for the US to recognize Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? what if Morocco cancels tomorrow, and the US reciprocates or threatens to withdraw that recognition, is it a wise thing to do or threaten to do? Especially if Trump comes back, and he's the guy who made these accords.  

Thanks in advance for the answers. And let's keep it logical and pragmatic, instead of getting driven by passion please.

There is a big difference between a civil war in Syria and Yemen and something that appears like an agression of the West toward islamic-arabic world. Palestine represent one of the biggest injustice and an incredible hypocrisy of the West world that keep bullshiting us about human rights, self-determination, democracy, etc..., presenting themselves as morally superior than the rest of the world

Moreover Jerusalem has a special status, I don't think reactions would be the same if Israel was in Oman for example

So I understand the whole thing about Jerusalem having a big significance in Islam. But your first Paragraph is strange though, Iraq and Afghanistan were both aggressions from the West and had more casualties than Palestine ever did, there were injustices too, especially Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. But how is Yemen any better? I think being attacked by people from your own religion is worse, with foreigners, there is always biases and prejudice going on but people from your own religion should not have those biases. I am still confused about this whole thing not gonna lie

And thanks for the answer btw.

Bonjour,

Topic verrouillé jusqu'à nettoyage et retour à la raison de la part des membres de ce forum.

SM serait annoncé au Qatar et aux EAU. Pas de visite en AS ?

Je pense c'est une visite principalement sur le volet économique avec les futurs chantiers à financer : autoroutes, marine marchande, LGV, stade, gazoduc, automobile, RAM, aéroports, industrie militaire, tourisme etc.

Les AS se présente de plus en plus comme un concurrent refermer sur lui même, que comme un partenaire : tourisme, phosphate, automobile, hydrogène...

l'AS est devenue très virulante avec ses pays voisins. Ils éxigent d'avoir des sièges régionaux pour que les entreprises internationales aient les marchés, ils veulent développer NEOM et Riadh pour le tourisme, généralement ils font cavalier seul pour les décision sur les hydrocarbures... Ils siffonnent le business des autres CCG.

jrad-killer a écrit:

l'AS est devenue très virulante avec ses pays voisins. Ils éxigent d'avoir des sièges régionaux pour que les entreprises internationales aient les marchés, ils veulent développer NEOM et Riadh pour le tourisme, généralement ils font cavalier seul pour les décision sur les hydrocarbures... Ils siffonnent le business des autres CCG.

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J'ai déjà écrit ça sur le forum ça fait plusieurs mois j'avais partagé un article de Bloomberg je crois .
C'est un des sujets de tentions avec les Emirats Arabes Unis.

Le prince Turki bin Faisal Al-Saud l'ancien directeur des renseignements saoudien.
Il a l'oreille de MBS
Ils et très Emirato-septique .
Pour lui le soft-pawer et la réussite Emirati c'est fait sur le dos des saoudien.
C'est se qu'on est entrain de voir.
Moi personnellement j admire se type

Je ne pense pas que le Roi va faire une visite à but économique dans les circonstances actuelles au proche orient. Pour moi le timing n'est pas propice à ce genre de visite.  D'autres part si cela concerne les événements à Gaza. Je vois mal notre roi ne pas visiter le KSA vu que la réunion d'urgence de la ligue arabe et le sommet islamique y a été tenue.  En plus il y a eu délégation issu de ces réunions qui est en tournée mondiale pour forcer un cessez le feu.

A suivre

Il y aura forcément un volet consacré à Gaza, mais pas uniquement ! Sinon, pourquoi ne pas envisager également une visite en Jordanie ou en Égypte ?

La délégation de ministres qui l'accompagne n'est pas là pour faire de la médiation au Proche-Orient.

Nous avons actuellement un calendrier serré à respecter pour de nombreux sujets, et les finances sont limitées !