* Suppositions : futurs achats des FRA *

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Le Maroc n'a pas besoin de AWACS et AEWC Aircraft..

Les qu'il est ont commandés se sont fait avoir pour la plupart.

Après faut voir quelle est la région..

Le KF21 atteindra la pleine capacité opérationnelle en 2026 ! Et quid de la contre-partie industrielle !

Et l'armement c'est MBDA !

Si on est vraiment pressé, l'option Paki est viable, l'année prochaine on aura nos zing ! Car désormais l'option chinoise n'est plus viable avec Trump !

Vous disiez la même chose du Kizilelma il y  a 4 mois quand j'en ai parlé, aujourd'hui on le veut

Le KF21 a tout un armement made in KOREA + ISREAL. Même le moteur est de chez eux maintenant. MBDA et Rathyon sont la cerise sur le gâteau.

Le zinc vole déjà...

KF21 et Kizilelma même combat ! Phase d'essais en cours, livraisons prévues à partir de 2026 !

Je ne dis pas non ! Je dis cela dépend de 3 variables : l'urgence de la commande, coût global (appareils, formation, pilotes) et la contre-partie industrielle

je trouve leur missile BVR Faaz interessant, il est actuellement en developement en collaboration avec les turque et la version turque s appelle GÖKTUĞ.
le Faaz c est pour remplacer les AMRAAM , Range 180 km, Seeker active RF-IIR , Mach 3.5 .
j ai aussi trouver que Bayraktar a une forte collaboration avec les pakistanais et ils ont un propre centre de R&D au Pakistan. la version turque le GÖKTUĞ sera integrer sur les Akinci et Kizilelma,  peut etre c est aussi une visite par rapport a Bayraktar.

Je préfère de loin le kf21 le truc pakistanais désolé vaut mieux avoir des f15 ou F16 second hand modernisé plutôt que ce Frankenstein sinopakora

I hope we either go for J10C or find some deal with the US for faster delivery. I lean a lot more for the J10C since it's superior to the JF17, it's now China's main vector and it's not a low-cost low-quality solution, it's a really advanced piece. Now why the pure chinese fighter:
- Because we won't have the restriction that come with the US or France's purchases where they only give you some weapons, or restrict you to deployment in some bases, or some locations and not others (I am sure our F16 wouldn' t be allowed to fly in algerian territory in case of war
- China is churning 100s of them per year and they are hungry for international customers
- It's an all chinese project, with weapons, engines, parts being chinese. Going for a hybrid, particularly with a western engine means that the vector could be useless if they cut off spare parts for the engine or avionics/electronic suits
- The JF17 at home element is interesting, but if China did it with PAK i don't see why we couldn't negotiate local components assembly for J10C after a pure chinese version to beef up the numbers quick

It's all speculation, but I honestly don't believe the JF17 is a good match for us against Algerian vectors; in the latest skirmishes Pakistan was using its F16s and not its JF17 (even against US wishes)...doesn't scream confidence in the vector to me in a danger zone...The sense i have is that JF17 is good for anti-insurgents and against adversaries without AA

On parlait avec Si Bruce de J10, mais c'est avant l'arrivée de Trump !

La donne a changé, on attend le consulat US à Dakhla et un soutien politique !

La Chine ne cédera rien au niveau politique, on aura juste un filon d'affaires avec eux gagnant-gagnant !

Rien n'indique qu'il y aura a court terme acquisition de chasseur pour les FRA. Pour les 2000-9 les EAU vont surement les vendres mais pas avant la réception des nouveaux Rafales.

Je crois que si il y avait une réelle menace de la part de l'Algerie on aurait pu assistée a un achat surprise genre J-10 chinois vu que se sont les seules qui peuvent nous livrer rapidement.

On avait tous l'espoir d'une commande de Rafales lors de la visite de Macron..........il faut dire que nous n'avons pas toutes les cartes en main...

Il faut rester vigilent concerant le mandat de Trump je crois pas que ça sera Noël avant l'heure avec lui...

Antares a écrit:

The JF17 at home element is interesting, but if China did it with PAK i don't see why we couldn't negotiate local components assembly for J10C after a pure chinese version to beef up the numbers quick.

Regarding the JF-17, it is a good aircraft on paper, but it also has its flaws :

- A rather "fragile" structure, with cracks that appear quite quickly. In the end, the lifespan of a JF-17 airframe is quite shorter than that of an F-16.

- A "complex" engine. The Chinese WS-13 engine would not have satisfied Pakistan, which preferred the version with the Russian RD-93 engine. The need for revision is significant and apparently quite complex.

- If the aircraft is well equipped with a data link system, its throughput would be very low and not compatible with the Western Link-16. So it could be a problem if he had to operate with your F-16s or AWACS planes bought in the West.

A device that has its qualities, that's clear, but you still have to take into account its weaknesses. An aircraft like the J-10 is theoretically more accomplished.

I would like to point out that it is an aircraft that I like and that I find "nice" despite everything.

Fully agree Vampiro, I was saying the same things. If there is a real conflict in the air and being prepared, we should probably be smart and start moving in the j10c. It is the real deal for a reasonable cost and without the western strings attached, plus you pull China a bit closer to you as a key partner considering all the investments they are doing with us.

The thing with china is that there could be chances of things being discussed and even done without anyone knowing about them. We got Chinese drones without anyone being aware until they we well under use, of course jets are different and need dedicated infrastructure and organization etc. but an order could happen without anyone knowing about it